Mimi Pond, who wrote the Simpsons pilot episode...

I saw him at a con once. Dude's sense of humor and comedic timing is cringy as fuck.

It died when it went to series. The Ullman shorts are all that matter.

A male writer can still ask for advice from female friends, wife, daughter, mother, etc. and be very effective when they bring that information back. Research is a key part of writing, not every writer is making characters that are reflections of themselves.

Ms. Crittenden was only 23 and had never written a script of anything when Dave Mirkin hired her. Most likely he thought she was cute. She only wrote three episodes, all of which were fairly unpopular with Usenet Simpsons fans back then.

Bart and Homer lead to more interesting plots, because Homer makes bad decisions and Bart is a prankster.

I wonder how Sam Simon handled working with the voice actors since half of them were female.

Most of Bart's plots are boy-coming-of-age stories and Homer's plots are usually average-American-white-guy's-life-and-travails which are things one supposes the writers could easily identify with. Lisa plots rarely involve any specifically female feels or struggles and she's most often just used to voice the writers' sociopolitical views.

In the end she was fairly harmless, I mean the show was still in its prime then and had proper Q/C compared with Carolyn Omine and the many horrible Zombie Simpsons female writers.

>Lisa plots rarely involve any specifically female feels or struggles and
I guess maybe Lard of the Dance to an extent.

This but unironically.
youtube.com/watch?v=B-h84v3njr8

>Carolyn Omine
You mean the fine lady who wrote her femdom fetish into the show by literally having Marge rape Homer?

how can we know it's zombie simpsons, if we can't even agree when the simpsons died.

Marge/Lisa plots are always horribly boring which is why they don't attempt them much.

How are everyone's voices and delivery better in this short than in all of season one.

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The voice acting for the regular series was a lot more challenging and in the Ullman shorts, it was just Castallaneta, Kavner, Cartwright, and Smith, they didn't have Azaria, Shearer et al back then. They weren't used to working together yet in Season 1 and didn't have good chemistry.

WETS GO OUT FOR SOME FWASTY CHAWKWAT MIWKSHAKES

Hell that's the main selling point they've used to promote High Guardian Spice.

Also they were doing 22 minutes instead of 5.

And people are incredibly vocal bitching about that "all one category" group of writers, what's wrong with complaining about the Simpsons' "all one category" group of writers?

They're complaining about HGS because their "diverse crew" was used as a selling point in their trailer with no info given about the show itself and people didn't like that. The complaints weren't about the writers room being all women, but that they chose that aspect to use in the first teaser.

>Wrote "And Maggie Makes Three"
>Killing the show
Nah man.

Season 3 is okay, but by 4 it was just wacky hijinks completely divorced from the realities of a bluecollar family

Please go back and reread some Usenet posts. That episode was not popular back then for a number of reasons, yet people seem to ignore most of that because of the ending sequence, which was all of about 10 seconds of a 22 minute episode.

Why would I care about what was popular on some Usenet posts? I like the episode.

I don't doubt the Usenet users were upset, and it's completely unrelated to my post. It was a good episode, fondly remembered even before "Do it for Her" became a huge meme. A single woman writer didn't "kill" the show.

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The episode was disliked because it was sloppily written and had numerous continuity errors and they didn't age down Bart and Lisa in the flashbacks. Compared with the previous flashback episodes, it was much wackier overall and outside the end sequence had little emotional weight.

Flashback episodes are consistently good. An A+.
I'm glad Mike Scully never sullied the flashback reputation by doing one.

>they didn't age down Bart and Lisa in the flashbacks
The Simpsons isn't a board driven show, that sounds like it's more of an issue of the storyboarders not reflecting the age down before it was shipped to Korea than it is an issue of the writer.

They're still written like their normal 8 and 10 year old selves instead of being aged down a bit and acting younger. I suspect that Ms. Crittenden made a lot of sloppy mistakes due to her inexperience writing scripts and Dave Mirkin overlooked it because he thought she was cute.

This used to be one of my favorites, but has dropped down a bit.

FWIW, many elements of this episode are very moving and the whole episode is basically hilarious. If there's a "problem" with it, its that too much of the story doesn't really utilize the flashback element very well. It turns into a fairly simple "Homer gets a job" story through most of the middle, albeit with little bits here and there about Marge's pregnancy. While that element of the story is highly entertaining in its own right, compared to the truly moving and hilarious previous flashback episodes it feels somewhat empty.

But with that said, this is still a very well done episode. Again, the emptier elements are still well done and hilarious. And while this episode never really reaches the level of any of the previous flashbacks, it has its own sort of brilliance, be it some ingenious and memorable gags, or the truly moving ending. In the trilogy of flashbacks about the birth of the Simpsons kids, this one comes out last, but is nonetheless a fitting and quality ending.

>Please go back and reread some Usenet posts.

This is why nobody listens to the fans on Usenet.

Fuck off Ian Maxtone-Graham.

Simpsons is terrible boomer cartoon, fuckin die off already you old fucks

That's the thing about making female characters as role models. In your effort to try to make them as flawless as possible, you leave them with very little to do.

I recall they didn't have real recording equipment when they did the Ullman shorts, the VAs used a portable cassette recorder. Even when the regular series started, they had rather crappy recording equipment for a while.

yeah that does sound fucked up.

Yeah like how autistic can you be that you can't mentally separate your ex-wife from any other woman you see.

A lot of Lisa-centered episodes have female animation directors though.

damn i never looked at who wrote that episode but it all makes sense

Looks part-Amerindian.

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If you haven't seen Jennifer Crittenden's Twitter, don't.

I can take an educated guess of what's on there, but there's no need to say it.

I mean, I agree her take on the show was a little different from the male writers and it did work ok in the dynamic of the five episodes she has a writing credit on.

I did like her episodes "And Maggie Makes Three" and "The PTA Disbands"

However "Scenes from the Class Struggle in Springfield" and "The Twisted World of Marge Simpson" were too bland and age hasn't given any room for improvement. The former was too slow moving while the latter gets stuck in a rut and later picks up too much speed and ends like a recording breaking.

>literally "I LIKED IT BEFORE IT WAS COOL"
Holy shit kill yourself.

I still have never seen the Ullman shorts.

Making flawed female characters makes for a better and funnier show in general, but stand back and watch the wave of anons screeching about the character being such a flawed cunt. You can't win.

Nah that's honestly a pretty weak episode aside from the cute ending

Her comics are great.

Majority

There was the Cory hotline episode

Marge is pretty flawed but usually her episodes are "the family doesn't appreciate her enough"
Being a ticking time bomb is basically her thing but they could do more

>22 Short Stories About Springfield
>Bart Sells His Soul
>Homer the Great
>Who Shot Mr Burns
>Treehouse of Horror V
>King Size Homer
>Mother Simpson
>show died after Season 5
lol

The episodes were collaborative efforts so it's hard to say how much of AMMT was even Jennifer's writing.

I like the DVD commentaries with Yeardley Smith on them, she asks questions about how things work, that they probably wouldn't otherwise cover.

>the woman has been working on this show almost her entire adult life and she has no clue how most of it works and how episodes are produced

Season 10 is a safe bet.

Well, "Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire," as well as most of season 1, was ass, so it seems to have been a good decision regardless of why they did it.

Her episodes are hit and miss, but she's also written some truly terrible ones.

nohomers.net/showthread.php?89146-Carolyn-Omine-Discusses-the-Writer-s-Room

Cripes, how high was she here?

Why is it that male writers are considered inherently limited in their capacity to write female characters but not the other way around? I never see female authors criticized for not being able to write men. It should be assumed that if you're a competent writer you can write for either gender.

Conan O'Brian

This. And bad female writers are no better at writing male characters than bad male writers are at writing females.

Wasn't even an full episode

The excuse is always, “media is loaded with male characters so us women are taught from a young age what the male perspective is like”. It’s so bullshit because it’s basically saying that female characters are inherently more complex than male characters. Don’t get me started how a lot of female writers don’t know how men interact with each other or how they don’t understand banter.

That would explain what happened to the underlying idea of Bart being a better person than Lisa

>What exactly is the problem if some show has all-male writers?
Nothing per se, but the only reason being that some dude was mad at roasties because of his divorce is pretty fucked.

Instead people consider women limited in their capacity to write ANYTHING, not just male characters.

Because women make up half the population yet are constantly underrepresented in various creative fields which leads to less varied stories because women have different perspectives on things than men.

And men make up half the population yet are underrepresented in elementary and high school teaching positions, which leads to very one-sided role models and authority figures that children encounter throughout most of their young lives.

Usenet was male dominated, so they wouldn't be capable of understanding female voices.

She's credited with
>And Maggie Makes Three
>The PTA Disbands
>Scenes from the Class Struggle in Springfield
>22 Short Films About Springfield (co-writer)
>The Twisted World of Marge Simpson

All pretty solid episodes, although PTA and Twisted world have weak story endings.

Cringe

Every writer on the boondocks was black user, Aaron mcgruder wrote all but one episode in seasons 1-3 and then his black editor and some black chick took over in season 4.

Conan’s stage persona is a bit of a dick, though.

No wonder the show started sucking after season 5.

>A long-standing tradition of every show I’ve worked on is that each morning, someone must burn an onion bagel. Then after a breakfast of leftover birthday cake, muffin-basket muffins and vitamin water, we gather to discuss anything other than the script. Politics, the weird guy from another building who uses our bathroom (the Mad Crapper), a writer who left seven years ago but for some reason still annoys us—and of course, there’s the gambling (sports, box-office numbers or what time we’ll get out that night). To the uninitiated, it might look like we’re goofing off—and we are—but it does serve a purpose: You’re always funnier when you’re already laughing. You can’t just punch a clock and start thinking up jokes. Eventually, someone always says, “Let’s get started.”

Jesus, no wonder the writing's in the toilet. Early seasons had people literally locked in a room together working on scripts for 17 hour stretches until everyone was in agreement that they'd produced a quality product. This sounds like anything but work.

It was 30 years ago. Who cares?

I don't know much about big productions, only indie productions, but don't studio-based shows require a # of hires of writers by the producers in order to guarantee that they will meet the network's deadline?

South Park has a writers team even though Trey and Matt take the main writing credit.

>I never see female authors criticized for not being able to write men.
You can criticize them as much as you want, but if you just want to bitch...

It was great through season 10, and passable through season 12.

John Swartzwelder. Wrote the most episodes and is possibly the best writer.

Going through a divorce will make you very irritable. My former manager, who was a really nice guy, had a hard time getting his divorce finalized for years because his ex-wife kept contesting it and he used to get stressed out a lot. He finally got it finalized but died a month later.

My former boss got divorced years ago after he had three kids with his wife. He's always been an asshole though, so I'm just here to say fuck you Mike.

>And men make up half the population yet are underrepresented in elementary and high school teaching positions,

Lmao you do realize that there was a deliberate movement to brand teaching as "women's work" so that they could be paid less.

Also, while Women are more common as teachers men are still over-represented in educational leadership positions like Principals and Superintendents.

>are still over-represented in educational leadership positions like Principals and Superintendents.
Sounds like women don't push hard enough for a promotion.

>Lmao you do realize that there was a deliberate movement to brand teaching as "women's work" so that they could be paid less.
Remember how animators, that was a male-only job, had to strike from Disney to get paid more?

Remember the writers strike, a profession that was and still is mostly male?

It's almost as if trying to screw people out of a decent living is gender-neutral! Woah!

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He said "please," pretty rude of you not to oblige his suggestion desu.

I'm sure he's enjoying all that allimony he pays.

Shows like The Boondocks and Venture Bros where there's only one or two screenwriters as opposed to a whole writing room full are a rarity. It does take more time though. Consider that Boondocks and Venture Bros seasons only have 8-16 episodes each and usually have several years in between seasons while most other shows have around 25 episodes per season and new seasons come out annually.

>A male writer can still ask for advice from female friends, wife, daughter, mother, etc. and be very effective when they bring that information back.
True, but why not cut out the middleman and get it directly from the source?

Because it would require having to hire someone to begin with, and it's possible that no or very few women writers even submitted their resumes to begin with. It's the same thing as Rick & Morty. They had no women applicant writers and after season 2 when someone pointed out there were no women writers in the credits, Roiland said, "Yeah, because no one applied".

Then a bunch applied for season 3 after reading that.

People always like to think it's the system that is pushing down women when sometimes, it's women themselves who don't try to take a chance or have no interest in working on something until it's a sure thing for job security reasons. It's the whole "Men are bigger risk takers" deal. R&M could've been a big flop.

Guess Rowling should have given her ideas to a male writer for Harry Potter.

You also do realize that a lot of men don't get into early education for being branded as a potential pedo right?

>Because it would require having to hire someone to begin with, and it's possible that no or very few women writers even submitted their resumes to begin with.
The thread is about The Simpsons, whose pilot episode was already written by a woman, having a deliberate "no girls allowed" rule in the writing room.

Harry Potter had a male editor.

>writers sitting around smoking weed and throwing out whatever LOLsorandumb jokes came to their heads
I imagine this is how most of the Scully seasons were written,

>having a deliberate "no girls allowed" rule in the writing room
And all because one guy was getting a divorce and unleashed his inner /r9k/.

Men in general are more likely to go on strike or protest unfair working conditions than women.

>Then after a breakfast of leftover birthday cake, muffin-basket muffins and vitamin water

With that diet your head is probably fucked from a massive dose of carbs and sugar and you can't think straight.

Subplot in a Homer episode.

twitter.com/jencrittenden?lang=en

Oh dear.

There's plenty of male high school teachers. They are rarer in elementary school though.

Oh yeah, she's up there with Ian Maxtone-Graham for the most hated Simpsons writers ever.

Did you guys know Dave Mirkin really, really, really loves the Graduate?

Did you know Craig McCracken really, really loves The Big Lebowski?

what was the ratio over time?

Al Jean and Mike Reiss are also way too fucking obsessed with Citizen Kane and every thing they've ever written or produced has to have a Citizen Kane reference shoehorned into it.

I've been rewatching some episodes from seasons 10-14. There's still a few really good episodes here and there. Most are just background noise tier. And then there's a handful that make me groan.

>Sam Simon was going through a divorce and didn't want to see any women when he went in the writing room
What a fucking pussy ass.

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I mean, if it was a woman that physically resembled your ex, I can understand, but...

Butthurt

I remember Season 5 being weak compared to the other classic seasons but not Zombie-tier
You start to see traces of Jerkass Homer in that season too

>season where Mike Scully joined the writing team
No surprise.

>but stand back and watch the wave of anons screeching about the character being such a flawed cunt.
If they face the consequences from their flaws like male characters do then it's fine. Diane from BoJack Horseman as an example, usually doesn't, which is why she's hated. Princess Carolyn from the same show isn't though.

>some black chick took over in season 4.
No wonder it sucked then

>I never see female authors criticized for not being able to write men
Yes you do.

Jennifer Crittenden was the only one they had who wasn't a Zombie Simpsons writer, so...

>The writing staff remained entirely male until Jennifer Crittenden was hired in Season 5
Season 6.

Simon was a weird dude, Reiss' book has some stuff on it, it's kind of a wonder he stayed on the show as long as he did.

The main reason they swapped showrunners every two seasons, aside from burnout due to the work load, was to prevent Simon from regaining control over the show. By the time Mike Scully was showrunner, they didn't need to worry about Simon coming back.

Simon and James L. Brooks mostly ceased active involvement with the show by Season 5 after the OG writers left and were replaced by the new Mirkin team. Though Lisa's Wedding was primarily Brooks's idea and he's prominently on its DVD commentary.

Errrghhh...

>im going to wait until the dude dies to bring up a sexist thing he did because of life problems

Which is weird since they had to ban her from the writers room for constantly coming in and wanting Lisa shit a specific way. No wonder female writers were an issue with bitches like her.

Yeardley is dumb as a post. She doesn't even remember making or working on an episode half the time.

Brooks also pitched the idea for Bart's Girlfriend.

The PTA Disbands got it's title after Jennifer Crittenden thought it would orginally be the most exciting part of the episode, the title and the guy screaming and jumping through the window was a joke about this.

Also Matt Groening mostly came up with the pitch for Who Shot Mr. Burns and Oakley & Weinstein took most of the credit.

Her and Julie Kavner had no idea of what the term "flexible reality" means.

yeah like she'd get butthurt and complain "Lisa would never say this" or "Lisa is too mean spirited here."

>22 Short Stories About Springfield
so a woman was responsible for what is hands down the best Simpson meme to date

nevermind I'm retarded and lack reading comprehension.

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That was written by about 10 different people though.

yeah it's why I said I'm retarded I remembered after posting that

I learned that I like Jon Lovitz's characters more than the person. Schtick is schtick, but once it's beyond absurd it loses all semblance of humor and likeability.

Protip: It's a character he plays. Mike Reiss, when asked, said that Lovitz isn't like that off-camera. Also he does have some serious moment

I know, it's just that his comedic schtick annoys me. It's like an IRL Krusty but without the flapping doohicky. Also from the DVD commentaries, it was interesting to learn that Kelsey Grammar hates doing the SSB maniacal laugh because it hurts his throat.

Did I say that I just wanted to bitch? Did I so much as imply that one couldn't criticize them?

>Lmao you do realize that there was a deliberate movement to brand teaching as "women's work" so that they could be paid less.
Lmao you do realize that that doesn't negate his point you seething Tumblrina? Lmao that pointing out the historical cause of an issue doesn't lessen the actual issue? Lmao I could give you the historical reasons behind global warming, but it doesn't fix the melting ice caps we have now, does it?

Luh-mow

Please, user, tell me where I've seen these complaints outside of maybe Yea Forums or Yea Forums?

Listen, I'd love to argue about how shitty that move is but two women were responsible for hands down the best romance episode the simpsons ever had. So i'd say thank you, women.

>but two women were responsible for hands down the best romance episode the simpsons ever had

Lisa's Date With Density: Directed by Susie Dietter. Written by Mike Scully.

Close but no cigar.