Why did Tony had to snap...

I don't fucking understand what's going on in the final battle anyway
every single hero was so underpowered and stupid it's unbelievable

Why did not he save natasha? its an all powerful tool

That other timeline won't be getting snapped though. Not by Thanos anyway. So, they actually saved two timelines in the process!

Well had they kept fighting they probably would have won but there would be a lot of casualties from the fodder. Strange probably cared more about the monks then Tony.

Cap was ways in the past, no split occurred.
>NO HE MAGICALLY CAME BACK TO HIS ORIGINAL TIMELINE SOMEHOW FOR NO REASON

>Mfw the entire movie could have been avoided if they just time traveled to Titan and Thor beheads Thanos when they have him pinned down and have all of the stones plus the gauntlet that won't kill them by using it

No way. Thanos is way too resourceful and powerful. Better to just end him ASAP.

Yea they were only fighting an army of superpowered monsters.

We have two canons, the directors says you’re wrong but the script writer says you’re right. So I guess you just gotta choose

monsters are not superpowered

This. He's the main character.
Goddamn does this "why doesn't Batman just kill the Joker" shit irk my autism. And that's why it will never fucking die.

lets not even get into that. what about the hydra thing? What about loki? basically any stone they needed an action scene to take fucked up the timeline.

Cause RDJ is gonna go relax on his pile of money and not do any more MCU films, so Iron Man dies is why he had to do the Snap.

Because Strange needed both Tony and Thanos to die because in every other future where Thanos is defeated Tony ends up causing some major crisis later. This is my headcanon and I hope DS 2 at least hints at it.
Cap came to his original timeline by finding Pym/Bruce in his timeline and them bulding a plot device for him to get the original timeline before Bucky and Falcon got to the park and sit on the bench dramatically. That's convoluted, but that's the official explanation. Russos made a huge point in the interviews that Cap didn't live the rest of his life in the original timeline.

Why didn't he just bring the people who died back to life & shield himself from dying in the same snap that he destroyed Thanos' army

like its not established that this is like a genie wish or something where it has to be one distinct thing its him essentially rewriting reality however he wishes

>What about loki?
Will be revealed in his upcoming TV series. What, you actually expected them to tie up all the lose plot points in the movie? These are COMIC BOOK movies after all, gotta follow the comic book rules of endless spin offs and tie ins.

far from home X100?

>Cap didn't live the rest of his life in the original timeline.
is not that bad?

Probably because he's a human being in his 50s who has heart trouble and a life of fighting, injuries and hard drinking and he's wielding the infinity stones, which fucked up even Hulk and Thanos. I mean, it's crazy he could even make a Snap in the first place.

that's not true. Even Nebula wasn't strong enoug to keep it on for too long. In the comic none of the regular heroes would have been able to wear it or use it for long either.

What?

The snap is just symbolic. It looks cool. It mirrors what Thanos did in Infinity War and brings both characters as mirrors of one another to a satisfying (ish) conclusion.

I always thought the not powerful enough to wield the stone thing from the first Guardians movie was the same for all the other infinity stone.

if he is not in his timeline it means timeline is branching, so one thing the ancient one asked them not to do, they did.

Because people are obsessed with the would’ve, could’ve, and should’ve in their lives. They always look back in their past and look at the missed opportunities in their lives, always having fantasies about going back in time and doing it “right” this time. Ironically in doing so, they pass by the opportunities they have now.

People need to stop with all the “what if’s” in their lives and make do with what they have now.

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Thanos' arm was all fucked up at the end of IW

Cap did. I mean, the Ancient never asked him personally, and Bruce had a lot of shit going on

At the very least the messed up Time Heist timeline might end well.
>Loki escaped so Thor is probably gonna be hanging around more and the team will be more cohesive
>Cap knows Bucky is alive right off the bat and might get the team to help him with that
>might avoid the Ultron shenanigans entirely
>might then avoid Civil War
>a more coherent team might have a better chance of degloving Thanos in the first place and it'll end up in time travel nonsense anyway if they don't

It’s almost like endgame isn’t a very well written movie...

plus hydra thinks captain america is with them

Why did the entire final fight revolve around trying to yeet the infinity gauntlet into the van? What were they expecting to happen? It wouldn't just self guide the stones back to where they belonged.

nah. its a simple "logical thing Vs suspension of disbelief"

yeah they had no pym particles left
now to think about it how nebula bringed the Thanos from 2014?

obviously they would know that is not the case once he does not show up with the tesseract

Because Russos are terrible writers when it comes to movie making sense. They relay on cheap cinematic tricks and serving fanboys.

Honestly endgame just felt like auto fellatio with all the "callback" scenes. I mean, I get it, you made a franchise. But referencing it for your entire finale really takes me out of things.

I bet you love it when TV series get big screen movies, with little to no characters from the original series and a cast of donut steel original characters that are never going to appear outside of the movie. Never mind that it barely feels like the same series anymore, but hey, at least it's not auto fellatio amirite?

that is a wrong parallel

>o one thing the ancient one asked them not to do, they did.
She was just worried about them dooming her timeline to one without infinity stones.

sounds like you're new to the concept of writers killing off a character because the actor wants out.

This. I mean logically the Avengers should've stomped him, having Carol+Wanda+Strange, and yet he still managed to come within an inch of victory. It's like whatever the villainous equivalent of plot armor is

This.

Well maybe if they wanted to win they should actually fight Thanos. What the fuck was Strange even doing in gifrel scene? Why didn't all the strongest heroes focused on Thanos and leave his grants to less powerful dudes.
Nothing in this movie makes any sense.

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Carol only was active for the short period she was kicking Thanos's ass, she spend the rest of the fight lying in dust.

Wanda is unstable and easy to overwhelm with a shit ton of enemies.

Strange needs Tony to die.

I don't think it's about avoiding a branching timeline, but about not fucking over her timeline. Even if they do branch, if they gave her back the stone her timeline would be fine.

this, at the end of the day you have to wonder who did the bigger damage, thanos killing some literally whos and one ironman boy, or the memengers taking a big shit on the fabric of the universe.

strange was trying to unfuck all the shit marvel did with her arrival. Remember that she created a fucking tidal wave that forced Strange to stop fighting.

His nanobots were what were able to disassemble and rebuilt the gauntlet

In a sense, it can be used as a growing mechanism, you just have to take *some* distance from things, which so many people can't even with fiction.

Even then it's not fucking clever. There's no point in stating "from an utilitarian standpoint, Batman should kill the Joker" or any of these variations when you know the meta reasons why things are what they are. Not accepting conceits in fiction is genuinely dumber than accepting them blindly.

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Didn't hulk say he tried?

>its an all powerful tool
It's clearly not. If there is any explanation, it probably has to do with her being linked to the soul stone.

meta reasons are garbage. Its a failure of a writer to convince you to go along with it in story or distract you from it with a slid of hand.
>Not accepting conceits in fiction is genuinely dumber than accepting them blindly.
people are willing to accept a lot of conceits but sometimes they hit a limit.suspension of disbelief is not limitless and while it is subjective most people have same rang

when did he have to time to try? When did he have all the stones?
>It's clearly not
why clearly? it can bend time,reality,etc to your will

Is just a stupid Disney movie

Why didn't they just rape thanos?

The real question is why he didn't make a Tony clone to do the snap for him.

because this strategy would only work if Thanos turned himself into a fucking

some shit about the sacrifices to the soul stone can never be recovered, same shit why they had to use time travel to get gamora reintroduced.

>logically he could have done 2 snaps, 1 that would give him a body that can handle it
except it can only give you the body AFTER snapping, so you'd still get messed up and die

Once you introduce time-travel, most of one's problems can be fixed with little to no issues. This is why I didn't like it DBZ. It created plot holes. No reason that the Avengers can't keep fixing issues with it now that the box is open. X character died? Go back in time. The villain got a powerful weapon and about to win? Go back in time.

>a more coherent team might have a better chance of degloving Thanos
The Thanos of that timeline is the one who gets killed by Tony Stark's snap at the end of the movie, though. So, in sad timeline the Avengers never have to face him and his army and half of the universe doesn't die.

no kidding, the entire time they were worried about not having enough pym particles. the obvious solution? just fucking go back in time and get more pym particles ad infinitum.

>dr Strange saw only 14 million futures which really isn't a lot if you think about all the variables
how many movies have you seen?

Lowest death count, simply as that. There were a billion things that could have gone better, but that would have resulted in a lot of avoidable deaths due to attrition. They even show Rocket would have died by one of the whales if it didn't turn to dust right as it was going to eat him.

Sure, eventually the war would have ended in the Avenger's favor, and either Wanda, Capt Marvel or maybe even Thor would have put an end to Thanos, but not without a bloodbath. So Strange saw more victories for sure, but in all of them there were more casualties. He chose the least bad one.
If Marvel writers are smart, they will make a reference to this in Multiverse of Madness, showing his guilt.

It'll only be considered as a last-ditch resort though, since you always risk another Thanos coming back to the future threatening to wipe out all reality

Why didn't Captain Marvel, the cosmic being stronger than Thanos, just do the snap when she had the gauntlet in her hands? Was she too busy eyeing Peter?

Because using the stones was in nobody's plans. Why would it? It literally means you die at worst, or you get crippled at best.

It was a last resort by Tony born out of desperation due to lack of options.

Strange hates tony, If you look at it from this perspective everything makes sense
out of the infinite possibilities he chooses the one where tony dies.

Plus the IW gauntlet was made by space dwarves

It was burned, but not fucked up like Hulk's. That only happened when he destroyed the stones in Endgame.

Also what said. The dwarves' gauntlet was much better than Tony's toy one. It even let the user channel the power of one stone at a time.

>logically he could have done 2 snaps, 1 that would give him a body that can handle it and second one to do whatever.

The problem is, the stones are sentient, and they are petty. It's why you couldn't use the Time Stone to just undo the damage to Iron Man or to Hulk's arm: it won't allow it. Using the stones to make mitigate the damage they would cause you isn't going to work either. Dr. Strange would have known this.

>its like thanos and "why not magic more resources"

The stones are not unlimited in power. For one thing, they cannot violate the law of conservation of mass. It's why the snapped persons turned to dust instead of just vanishing.

>they fucked the timeline. tilda asked one thing " keep the timeline" the timeline is now branching because of stuff cap did (even if he had not stayed, saying heil haidra and other stuff would have still branched it) the future is dark
The Ancient One didn't object to making new timelines, she objected to making new timelines without Infinity Stones in them. And cap did what he did in a branched timeline then returned to the main timeline to hand off his mantle, the Russos confirmed it. The writers say they disagree, but until there's canon confirmation one way or the other I'm going to go with the Russos'.

this is my headcanon now

>The problem is, the stones are sentient, and they are petty. It's why you couldn't use the Time Stone to just undo the damage to Iron Man or to Hulk's arm: it won't allow it
Yet it let Thanos rewind time to both resurrect Vision and the destroyed mind stone?

Was it ever mentioned they are sentient, beyond the mind stone? Why would they allow Thanos to destroy them using their own power at the beginning of Endgame, then?

>For one thing, they cannot violate the law of conservation of mass.
no such thing in MCU

The fuck are you talking about, the Power Stone by itself fucking disintegrated a chick in GotG 1 and the Reality Stone was killing Jane Foster in Thor II. We can assume the OG Infinity Gauntlet mitigated the effects to some degree (though Thanos still fucked himself up using all 5 in IW) but we have no reason to believe that Stark's gauntlet was anywhere near as effective for this as the one made by the Dwarves.

>The writers say they disagree
The writers are fucking idiots. The entire fucking movie was spent shoving the concept of separate branching timelines down the audience's throats, telling them to stop thinking they are watching Back to The Future, then these clowns decide to come out after the movie is done to completely contradict it all because they want a cute closed loop for Cap in the main timeline?

Fuck them, and ignore them.

1. It isn't all powerful
2. Natasha was a price paid to one of the stones, you don't get to use the stones to recover that price. The Stones are sentient, and a random fuckboy human isn't going to be able to trick them into reversing a cost they've extolled.

well i stole it from a random user who said it even better than me. And it really made sense too

Right. Once they figure out Cap isn't with them, they will then assume that Cap knows about Hydra, and that at least Crossbones and his team as well as the Secretary of Defense are members.

Yep!

This is why Kang has to be the next Avengers villain, to introduce a compelling reason why Time Travel just can't happen anymore.

To piss off based retards like you

Her powers come from the Space Stone. The Space Stone's power can't defend against the Infinity Gem's radiation just like you couldn't use the Time Stone to repair the damage.

yeah, but how do you beat a time traveler without time travel? they'll just go back in time to fix whatever mistake they made to beat your ass.

>Yet it let Thanos rewind time to both resurrect Vision and the destroyed mind stone?
Sure, because the Mind Stone wasn't destroyed by the Stones themselves (though Wanda's power deriving from the stones does somewhat muddy those waters).

>Was it ever mentioned they are sentient, beyond the mind stone?

Yes, at least the Reality Stone and Soul Stone are noted as sentient in Thor II and Infinity War respectively. It's not clear if the others are sentient, so develop your own headcanon.

>Why would they allow Thanos to destroy them using their own power at the beginning of Endgame, then?

My headcannon? They had already planned for their succession. Wanda and Quicksilver and the new Reality and Time stones (Quicksilver is confirmed to return in WandaVision) Vision himself is the new Mind Stone.

Note that all three were created by the Mind Stone, the smart one, the one that plans ahead. Presumably other "backups" were created off screen: we don't know where the Mind Stone was before Thanos gave Loki the scepter in Avengers 1, so who knows what it was up to. Adam Warlock (confirmed for GotG3) could be the new Soul Stone.

Whatever they do with it, they have to address it: the whole thing with the Ancient One talking about a universe without Infinity Stones being doomed means they can't just ignore it.

Maybe they have to pull off some kind of Quantum Fuckery to TURN OFF time travel forever just to beat Kang.

MCU Strange and Hank Pym buddies now?

We all know the real sin of these movies was the fact that Heimdal had NOTHING to do with the soul stone.

1, Heimdal can see the souls of all living things.
2, It seems heavily implied that Odin once attempted to gather the stones and stopped.
3, We know the stones are somewhat sentient, particularly the Soul stone.
4, His eyes and theme is a deep orange, the exact colour of the soul stone.
5, It fits into the T.H.A.N.O.S. theory.

But no it's just a "Oh, yeah you go here and have to sacrifice the thing you love the most, or just you know, a mate it's actually not that picky."

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>T.H.A.N.O.S. theory
What?

T esseract - Space stone
H eimdall - Soul stone
A ether - Reality Stone
N ecklace - Time stone
O rb - Power stone
S cepter - Mind Stone

Crude but it checks out, I wouldn't really call the time stone thing a necklace though.

It was fucking dumb.

The idea was that the name "Thanos" was an anagram for the location of each of the stones:

T- Tessaract
H- Heimdall
A- Agamotto
N- Natalie Portman
O- Orb (The sphere the Power Stone was in)
S- Scepter (Loki's scepter from Avengers 1)

Fucking retarded, but the internet liked it.

>H- Heimdall
>N- Natalie Portman
Right, the character name in one, and the actress name the other.

I'm going with if anything. Necklace is still stupid, but at least not as stupid as Natalie.

Man, Heimdall being the soul stone keeper instead of fucking Red Skull would have been so much better. It could have even led to a badass fight with Heimdall when they travel into the past to collect the stones. They send Clint and Natasha to go talk to Heimdall, thinking they'll just reason with him, but they get into a fight and Heimdall ends up killing Natasha... something something... he gives Clint the soul stone under the promise of returning it.

I remember when the theory was that the Soul Stone was in Wakanda, which is what allowed every Black Panther to talk with their ancestors in the spirit plane.

It would have been interesting, but it also would have meant three stones were somehow on Earth. Having two was already too much, considering the vastness of the universe.

>but they get into a fight and Heimdall ends up killing Natasha
That makes absolutely no sense at all. If he sees souls, then he knows everything there needs to be known about them, much like Red Skull knew about the name of their parents.

In story reasons are gabager, is the issue.

Maybe something about them being from a different timeline makes him think they're not really who they say they are?

I think the suit and reactor took most of the brunt.

Because instead of making you so powerful you can rewrite reality with a contemptuous snap of your fingers the gauntlet is now a magic finger snapping device that you can get maybe one use out of.
Thanos needs to ask for his money back from Eitri.

Thanos snapped as an arrogant symbol that he even explains earlier on in Infinity War, "With the stones, I'll be able to fix everything with just a snap of my fingers," or something to that effect. Then Tony does a snap like Thanos did as a sign of direct defiance against Thanos' wishes. Of course, it falls a little flat since the Thanos he snaps at is not the same Thanos that did the first snap.

>His army was almost dead at that point

It was never shown exactly which side was winning

The scales were clearly tipped towards the Avengers/Guardians/Sorcerers/Wakanda/Ravagers/Asgardians coalition.

Was it ever explained in the movies what the infinity gauntlet even does? I never read the comic book or watched guardians of the galaxy.
Because if it just grants wishes, yeah Tony could have been a lot more creative than just "kill all da bad guys!"

Good thing we wrote a single line of dialogue by Dr. Strange that auto-handwaves all of that for us.

It lets you channel the powers of each of the stones. Using all of them at once lets you manifest literally anything into reality that you want, so yeah it's basically a wish granting device.

yeah this was fucking lazy but also genius in it's own way

got to spare the mooks

Whats the stone of reality for then?

tony has to be tony in the tony cinematic universe

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