How is it people can say "CalArts Style" is not a thing when people in the industry also mock it?

>something about a style that seems to consistently come out of it or methods or what?
That, and the fact that it seems that the only way to get into the industry these days is to have gone to CalArts

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Interesting, so this banana mouth jellybean head style, is it out of artistic laziness, incompetence, or is it more like a cost-saving thing so that you can get your show greenlit cheaply?

Easiest to animate in digital animation software.

all three

It's the animation equivalent of B^U

Here's what causes this art style to repeat itself in modern day cartoons:

>Network hires recent graduates to work on a big name show at a big name studio as their first job
>These graduates get nervous, working at such a big studio right out of college! I better listen to everything my superiors say
>These "superiors" are often artists who are really amateurish at drawing: JG Quintel, Pen Ward, Alex Hirsch, Justin Roiland, etc.
>"But they're my directors and showrunners, they MUST know what they're talking about."
>This recent graduate now starts mimicking the art style for the show they worked on for a year or more.
>They use this art style when they pitch their show because they believe it's "the correct art style to use for animation friendly show".

You can see this exact same pattern when young artists were being hired during 90's Disney resurgence and all they could ever do after they left was draw like Disney. They learned those habits early in their careers and couldn't stop.

Don Bluth had way bigger budgets and, comparatively, only 90 minutes of animation to push in several years of work, as opposed to, say, 143 minutes in half a year (considering it's ONLY a 13-episode season of 11-minute episodes, and that's being generous). You're retarded for even comparing the two.

>JG Quintel, Pen Ward, Alex Hirsch,
none of these three are actively doing anything in the industry right now
Quintel is trying but nobody seems to care
he's hardly a "superior" of anything anymore

compare early hillenburg then.

They WERE doing things when this whole "CalArts bean face style" thing started to explode.

Also, Alex Hirsch has a fucking million-dollar deal at Netflix. And just because JG Quintel can't get TBS to air his show doesn't mean he isn't doing something. "Nobody cares" is not the same as "not doing something".

It's mostly a self-perpetuating thing. One show with that style gets really popular, then suddenly network executives want shows with a similar style.

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People who say it's not a thing only argue about it being called Calarts

WORTH IT

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The CalArts "style" isn't a style so much as it is a series of overly pragmatic production line standards put in place to minimize the chance of miscommunication between main sequence Western animation studies and their contracted slave labor in Asia.

When you talk about schools developing distinctive styles, people immediately think of places like Bauhaus where artists honed and practiced their craft with great care and thought. But the CalArts style isn't like that at all and people instinctively know this so they deny the existence of the "style", but we've spent 10 years arguing about this and we're finally getting to the point where the Emperor can't deny his nakedness anymore.

this. it's wrong to call it "CalArts" because the school hasn't always been like this. Numerous famous and respected artists have graduated from the institute before. It's only recently that the school has been pushing this low effort art style, and grouping that little thing with the entirety of the institute and it's history is just demoralizing the greatness that came from the school

tl;dr call it beanface or something else

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OP best part is they don't even mention CalArts here and it's obvious what they're referencing thus proving that it's a real thing.

Sublo and Tangy Mustard is brilliantly subtle.

what show is this

Sublo and Tangy Mustard, it's a webseries by one of the Bojack directors

>tl;dr lets force a meme
Fixd, you fucking idiot.

if i raised sheep my whole life but then became a mass murderer, would i be known as "user the shephard" or "user the mass murderer"

Yea Forums's new waifu is just a cheap Calarts whore.

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>Spinel threatens her school counselor for the comment that her cartoon brace decals are distracting.

>when people in the industry also mock it?
They mock people who complain about it and made this chart Who, funnily enough come from artists who never went to calArt in the first place.

> who never went to calArt in the first place.

I think it’s cost saving. Compare early Gumball to late Gumball.

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I blame toonboom. Everyone has to make their art easy to animate in toonboom nowadays.

Daily reminder Stephen Hillenburg went to school at Calarts. It wasn't always shit.

John Kunnylusi coined the term to deride stuff like Don Bluth and the Iron Giant. How did it get associated with bean mouths and noodle arms?

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Stay mad

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Bauhaus was the final death of individuality in goods. Even "crafts" became mass production style.

Same way Disneyesque turned into 3DCG with a bunch of jokes about Disney movies and twist villain at the end. Or Live-action/realistic remakes.

John K. admits that the style might change, but the term stays the same. It translates to: "A bunch of art students taking influence from the previous generation of artists without fully understanding it, basically creating a game of Phone with an art style".

And that's kind of what this is. It's like when Flapjack does off-model storyboard-driven stuff, it's good, but when OK KO does it, it feels like it's done by talentless doodlers.

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>"A bunch of art students taking influence from the previous generation of artists without fully understanding it, basically creating a game of Phone with an art style"
That's just Culture, John K. Every generation does it.

What is the flow of influence though? Seems off that people who were in school in late 90s/early 2000s popular easy to animate style looks so different from what was coming out at that time.

Many future generations fail to understand their culture and commercialize tradition or straight up drop it because they aren't properly taught or trained the importance of some of it. Kind of like how July 4th has just become a time when people get drunk and barbecue.

But that's a whole other tangent. In regards to art: The next generation of artists should not imitate what the previous generation did, but imitate HOW they came to that conclusion. For example, old Disney artists studied life, and then figured out how to boil it down to simple art. But people who came afterwards merely copied the simple art version, and tried to simplify it even MORE. And it kept going until you hit a point where you walk into CartoonNetwork and not a single person is capable of drawing a human model during a figure drawing session. All they can draw is "cartoon body".

Just compare these two pictures. Both are done in a messy, simple cartoon style. But one looks good and understands a lot of fundamentals of art and the other looks like a doodle first draft.

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Well duh. The one on the right has entirely flat values and doesn't use the camera view effectively to convey different moods. Would be easier to animate the one on the right though because don't have to deal with such things.

The problem is that it predates CalArts for a bunch.
and some of the artist didn't went to CalArts, so it's more of a general fad

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ENLIGHTENED Amphibia doesn't even have the beans

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>I'll just have you draw the key frames, and have these unemployed young people who have less experience in animation draw the in-between frames so we can produce more footage for less time and money. What is the worst that could happen?
One century later:

A circle is even more simplified head than a bean shape.

Exactly. True post-post-modernism

Older than modernity. Cyclical.

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Neither do Adventure Time, despise being done by someone who actually went to CalArts.

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Well because the left one is made by an actual artist while the other is done by an imitator weeb.

"CalArts style" translates to "poorly imitated style".

Popeye is not imitating anything. It's setting the groundwork at the time. That's why we call those faces classic rubberhose and we call something like Spinel "a CalArts whore".

yea but effort was put into Spinel, she's actually very flowing and animated, like rubberhose is supposed to be

>she's actually very flowing and animated
That's because of a good animator. Her actual character design is derivative. Hell, people even thought it looked like a bad XJ9 when she was first revealed.

You'd be known as the shephard of hell's gates

thats pretty metal desu

the current incarnation of the meme is inane. Go back to noodle arms and bean mouth discussion.

But what is the issue of derivative if it is effectively implemented?

The Calarts style has been mainstream ever since Thundercats Roar's reveal.
That must have been the straw that broke the camel's back, suddenly what started as a Yea Forums meme became this undeniable phenomenon and for the next week or so every artist and animator with a social media account felt the need to weigh in on it.
And mind you, they were not denying its existence, they were defending it.

Which is bullshit considering how animators actually use software to handle complicated designs.

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Is your picture supposed to be better? That looks like shit, it's essentially a paper doll being dragged around a background. This is barely animation.

And yet from a design standpoint, it's infinitely superior to simplified calarts style, which in most cases don't even animate any better than that doll.

Meanwhile, in Japan

>The network has no say on the show, the studio just rents the slot and is done with it until they have to renew.
>>This excludes NHK, TV Asahi and TV Tokyo who do have say on what airs on their channel, NTV for a lesser extent.
>The show runners have been in the business for at least a few years starting doing digital coloring before being promoted to a director properly.
>These artists are really excellent at drawing.
>Hopes to god you get decent work hours, decent pay and work in a studio with air conditioning and heating.
>>If all 4 hopes are met then the person stays.
>>If not then he/she abandons the industry as some studios are much worse off then others.
>This recent director now starts mimicking the studio's art style they worked on for a year or more.
>They use this art style when they pitch their show because it's the studio's art style.

Picture very much related.

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House studio's style is virtually meaningless when most anime studios are work-for-hire service providers for another company's shows.

I mean when the animation studio is doing it's own thing.

People who grew up on Hannah-Barbera and anime find panning on a still image completely okay so any movement is impressive.

Fixed.

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1) It is a thing, its just the name "CalArts Style" to describe 2011-2018 bean-mouth Simpsons-eyes is putting the "blame" in the wrong place. The "thick outlines/UPA wannabe" style of Dexter's Lab and Powerpuff and Fairy OddParents and Samurai Jack could just as easily be called "CalArts" style, as could the 90's Tiny Toons Warner Bros leftovers style. The problem isnt that the style isn't real, it IS real, its that the name is inaccurate, leading to a bunch of arguing over *Nothing*

None of the above. It's a trend. Every decade in TV animation has seen a stylistic trend. (Also- compare the faces of literally any anime character from literally any show in any decade and they all look identical)

Thin-line style or beanmouth.

I really wish people wouldnt use this shit to make a point.
It isnt even on model.
They use gumball as an example.
Its general shit all around.

Case in point.

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I wish you wouldn't act like Gumball's mouth being 20% bigger than it is somehow makes it "off-model".

a lot of stuff in the style people call "CalArts" (even early on) weren't even from CalArts grads
for example most of the SU crew went to SVA

Can you all stop being a bunch of idiots for once in you're lives call it bean face, CalArts has no ties to this abomination of a style and as such you discredit you're argument by giving the subhumans who defend the style some ammunition to fight back with

>80s not being realistic buff guys that sell action figures.

2 of those are anime

>Hamtaro
>Not Haruhi
Faggot

You can't have a halation with out being grand.

Whats wrong with Hamtaro? It was a better show in the end.

Get the fuck out Famicom

>Haruhi
You miss spelled Oruchuban Ebichu

This. Trends come from something getting popular, and that popular thing influencing others, both consciously AND unconsciously. It ebbs and flows.
Broke: Sobbing in your diapers about bean mouth style and tying it to whatever your SJW panic du jour is

Woke: Using our obsession with cartoons to try to predict what the next big stylistic trend in animation will be

Any takers?

Intentionally trying to look like low-budget bootleg CG movies.

Because in recent years CalArts fully adopted a Bauhaus design philosophy, IE cheap, talentless muck animation with zero standards, responsible for the majority of modern cartoons.

>Any takers?
Wannabe Studio Trigger style.

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>Woke: Using our obsession with cartoons to try to predict what the next big stylistic trend in animation will be
My prediction is that the next major style trend will look like Tangled, DC Super Hero Girls, Carmen Sandiego sort of style.

Personally I think they style originated from mimicking anime while still trying to keep it looking western. Just look at pic related. It's got the smiles and the bean heads.

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Are those tears of joy or suffering?

Real talk: I'd rather have CalArts than imitation UPA.

>imitation UPA.
That would truly be a dark timeline.

KYS

It was the late 90s / early 2000s.

I don't really agree with that assessment. Sure there were some stylistic commonalities but I'd hardly call it imitation UPA.

I'm going to yoink this for a /tg/ thread.