What does Yea Forums think of Knull?

Say what you want about Cates, but at least outside of Yea Forums, he's got more people interested in comics again.

It read like it too.

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Just like Bendis and Aaron did at their time, doesn't make them good.
Yep, although I feel this describes Cosmic Ghost Rider the most.

The difference is people still like Cates, unlike those two.

I’ve literally never heard of him
>inhumans
Ah, that makes sense now. Nobody cares about that dead franchise.

Does he? Or is he just filling writing spots on books and just on cruise control?

Anybody notice Cates's thing for mind controlled hords? He's got all those people corrupted by Symbiotes in carnage, The Vox converted Inhumans, and the universal truth stuff in GOTG.

People still like Aaron too, Bendis not so much.
Also people only like Cates for his Venom shit, but there's been an increased turnaround on him based on the cosmic stuff he's doing. The only people still behind him on GOTG only do so because that book is their first time reading the team. Not a single long term GOTG fan enjoys it.

Pretty indifferent to it, i'm liking the even he is in though.
That being said, Cates must have trigger someone on twitter very hard since there is a guy who keeps screencapping his tweets trying to make outrage threads out of it.

I don’t really get it. People who hate Knull have no argument besides he is getting pushed and forced every where!!! People who defend Knull give way more convincing arguments.

Well it's that and that he has a propensity to start all cosmic stuff he writes by wiping out entire races and teams to keep things small enough. Also they ALL float lifeless in space.
First arc of GOTG:
>Every cosmic team and character gets sucked into a black hole except for his pet characters
Second arc of GOTG:
>All the Nova corps get killed/absorbed by the UCT and there's still the other cosmic teams also controlled
The beginning of Death of the Inhumans
>All the OC unaffiliated inhumans getting killed off-screen

It's unironically funny to see Tommy and Yea Forums getting mad over Cates' OCs existence. A lot of them are also probably seething right now after Absolute Carnage #1 managed to become the best-selling comic of August, with #2 also in the Top 10.

Stop giving that autist attention.

>and Yea Forums
I'm part of Yea Forums and i'm not mad at all.

Tommy doesn't give a fuck about Cates though, it's all about Hickman with him. And I hate Cates for the record, but I don't care if he sells well, shit sells, it's not a surprise. I just don't want him writing stuff I care about, like Cosmic... Keep him contained in Venom.
This is untrue.

He's alright, I guess.
Not really notable, but I don't really have much of a problem with him.
Grendel's cool, though.

How is untrue? I’ve yet to see an actual argument from the other side. Saying he is overexposed or pushed a lot is an actual argument or critic of bad writing.

*isn’t

Means fuck in Swedish. Will never appear onscreen because of that.

Dude, literally the only positive argument about Knull is that he retcons Bendis' klyntar shit so he's good by default. That's it. Meanwhile since his inception he's
>The god of the Void for some reason, existing before everything else (hello, Oblivion?)
>killing a Celestial even as a tiny little thing, and allegedly (only because Cates said it on Twitter and unsupported otherwise) of Knowhere's existence
>Responsible for the Necrosword
>The reason behind Venom's logo
>Somehow also related to Wraith from the Annihilation series

And most of that comes from a single issue. You mean to tell me this isn't ridiculous?

I would've liked him better if he actually looked like a symbiote instead of a Sephiroth's fart.

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Again all you are doing is subtly saying he is getting pushed a lot.

.... No, I'm explicitly saying Cates tried to make him responsible of everything dark and important like he's such a big deal while ignoring pre-existing lore. Not that he's "pushed". Why are you ignoring me?

You are not giving actual reasons why it’s bad other than I don’t like that. Tell me objectively is bad and why it makes no sense in-universe.

Oh I get it, you're a die-hard Cates fan. There's no possible way you could openly ignore what's wrong with the guy unless you're invested in this shit.
>Tell me objectively is bad and why it makes no sense in-universe.
"Objectively" LMAO
Only reason you can't see why he messes with cosmology it's because you're a massive casual.

So you have no actual arguments. Nice to know.

I have plenty, I'm just not gonna waste my time posting MORE stuff just so you say in response "oh so you just don't like him, good to know". Nah, if you enjoy this shit, good for you, but hopefully it'll get retconned by the next guy writing Cosmic, or at least get firmly put in its place.

Cates fans are truly the dumbest out of any comic book writer fans.

I liked the Klintar better

>And most of that comes from a single issue
That is not the case, though.

>The god of the Void for some reason, existing before everything else (hello, Oblivion?)
Revealed in AC, and it didn't stated before everything else but in a well of darkness before the light or some shit like that.

>killing a Celestial even as a tiny little thing
Happened in Venom

>Responsible for the Necrosword
Venom
>The reason behind Venom's logo
This is simply not true, he has a dragon as its logo, not a spider.

>Somehow also related to Wraith
Happened in GotG and yeah, that was uneccessary (not because people haven't speculated of Wraith being related to the symbiote just like they did with the all-black, but because it is stupid to bring him back just to connect him with another character).

>things can be objectively bad
You're literally as dumb as bricks.

>That is not the case, though.
Three out of five came from the single Venom issue and I'm pretty sure the first mention of him as the "God if the Void" was there. The AC shit was merely restating what was "explained" in that same issue.
Also
>he has a dragon as its logo, not a spider
Pretty sure Cates said Venom's design wasn't a spider but inspired on Knull retroactively, and has actually complained that people aren't following up on that everywhere else. Knull has a dragon but Venom's design isn't a spider anymore, according to him.

>messes with cosmology
He doesn't. Just a dip deeper into Marvel's cosmology and you'd know that gods and local pantheons are literally stories, unlike the abstracts. Knull exists because the symbiotes exists, not the other way around.

Except he's an agnostic God that directly conflicts with the real world, he's not a story, he himself tells you who he is. And he exists because Cates doesn't know about Oblivion, just like he uses Hela instead of Death because he doesn't understand Abstracts enough (another reason why he humanized her so much in Thanos Wins).

>Venom issue
No there he says he was alone or some shit.

>Pretty sure Cates said Venom's design wasn't a spider but inspired on Knull retroactively

Actually he had explain many times that the logo on Knull wasn't a spider and had nothing to do with Venom. We know outside of the comic that they look similar for marketing reason, but in-universe, the similarity is a coincidence.

>he himself tells you who he is
Yes, and Odin keep saying that he created life on earth, that doesn't change the fact that he didn't. No god knows he is a story, they literally call the other pantheons liars whenever they tell their version of creation.

Oblivion can have many aspects, like the Chaos King. All of which are just lesser beings apart of the One Below All. I'll give you his use of Hela, but Death has taken the form of a literal child before so it's not like she's locked to robes and a skull.

Overrated and unnecessary. Grendel is pretty awesome, though.

Okay but the point is, he's not an actual "God", he takes attributions of an Abstract by saying he ruled over the Void and that he existed "before everything", even before the Celestials, which is absolute bunk.
>Oblivion can have many aspects, like the Chaos King. All of which are just lesser beings apart of the One Below All.
We know this but Cates clearly doesn't, and that's the problem here because as we've discussed before, only way for this to work is that somebody outright explains this on the page. This would solve do many issues he has because he'd be just either tendril of Oblivion, not something that apparently existed and was ever powerful before all other primordial entities while ignoring what actually was there.

>Urrr Tommy!!
Hello Ladderbro

>he's not an actual "God"
He is both an god of darkness and creation, so far the only exception to god that aren't actualy gods were the Skrull ones that are instead eternals, and even with them the left the thing ambiguous.
From his point of view, he is the biggest deal, he is god, just like every other deity thinks they are the actual real thing and not a products of the collective consciousness.

>He is both an god of darkness and creation
What?
Look, you said it yourself, gods are product of a collective consciousness. Who conceived him then?

the symbiotes.
just like every god of creation on earth was conceived by the humans

All Cates shitty characters look the same.

He looks ridiculously out of place.

Why are Western comic fans so damn insecure about anime designs? Anime fans don’t mind Western designs in comparison.

Meh. I like Absolute Carnage, but Knull does nothing for me.

Didn't everyone hate when Gohan became capeshit?

Objectivelly trash

I think that Cates is a hack.

Wasn't that also meta-commentary on cape crusaders?

It may be stupid but is also dumb

Stop shilling your OCs here Cates.

I like him, but even more I like how easily he triggers Yea Forums

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Why do I find the One Below All more interesting than Knull?

Because an user doesn’t spam Yea Forums every day with threads about why he dislikes OBA so much.

>The Vox were the next stage of Inhuman evolution called Super-Inhumans
literally akira toriyama levels or writing

Knull is fine, he's just one more void god in the diverse pantheon of the mu. If anything he ads a new angle to symbiote mythology, and allows Carnage and the symbiotes to take center stage for a while

If he existed in a void then Oblivion is older than him, because oblivion is the void

Just like The Batman who laughs?

Exactly like that, it’s just one or a small handful of anons that keep making the same Fucking threads because they don’t like these character. And hey, I can understand disliking characters, I don’t care much for Harley Quinn or Magneto myself, but I don’t go full autismode over them.

Yes, we've had the same threads for weeks now. I'm willing to bet its the same user who thinks Snyder, King and Bendis are some sort of axis of evil even though their works are completely unrelated and writing styles wildly different, also the fact that there's like 20 other writers at dc making books of variable quality

I'm glad this guy will most likely never be used ever again not even Cates is using right now.
Unless he is coming back for the end of Cate's GotG Run as like a follower of Knull or something.

The hate for Snyder, Bendis and King is well earned, thinking they all sit at a conference call with Dido and plan the ultimate demise of DC is absurd.

marginally better than Bendis' retarded spaceknight bullshit

I think Cates earned this hate after pushing a dozen of incredibly shitty of OCs and fucking up continuity over and over again with his terrible stories.

He introduced Vox in Death of Inhumans, and lets be honest, maybe a dozen people total actually cared, I honestly continue to need to be reminded about him. I have t read his GotG or Silver Surfer books so I’m guessing the majority of the OCs you’re talking about are in there. That only leaves Knull and Rex (Who I bet you forgot about). I think the majority of hate that Cates gets is due to interactions and pictures they find over social media, because, for me, Venom and Absolute Carnage have been pretty awesome so far.
I’m curious about these other OCs though, who else did he make recently?

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Just a reminder that Bendis didn’t write Spaceknight, he added Agent Venom to his GotG run to boost sales, did his Klyntar Lanterns Story in like two issues and did mother with Venom after. Venom SK was written by Robbie Thompson, and while it had some hilariously questionable art, the writing was miles better than anything than Bendis had written in his GotG run using the character.

I think he's yet another bad idea in a vain effort to give lore behind The Symbiotes. Frankly you don't need to, nor should you, try to explain where the symbiotes came from. They're meant to be ALIEN, as in foreign/unknown. They're organisms that enhance the traits of the host while also feeding off their emotions. Done. That's all you really need. It's kind of like the missteps the Alien and Predator franchises made the longer they went on.

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That's Cates writing in a nutshell, guy is literally just Marvel's Geoff Johns now.

More meat. Too lanky.

>just Marvel's Geoff Johns now.
I think you mean Scott Snyder, newfag

>Marvel's Geoff Johns
>Marvel
>Fucking Scott Snyder
Bravo user

It's a better comparison than fucking Johns. Look at the shit Scott's been doing over at DC. He's trying REALLY hard to be Morrison, and his fucking fanfic writing is infecting a good bit of DC what with Perpetua and Batman Who Laughs

Cates is not trying to be Morrison, he's straight up stealing other people ideas and pushing them hard to get free money in the movies, just like he did to Darkness/Jackie Estacado = Knull

Scott's Snyder's ideas are pretty much stolen from Morrison too, at least shit from his Batman run

If it was meta-commentary in the 90s, Gohan should've become a brooding muscular cyborg GAR with PTSD from Cell.

>his fucking fanfic writing is infecting a good bit of DC what with Perpetua and Batman Who Laughs

those are his books!! how are they infecting others!

He’s a knigger

So the Year of the Villain and Infected events happening now/soon mean nothing to you? Those are both Snyder driven ideas being pushed in several tie-ins and whatnot.

I'm pretty sure Year of the Villain was always going to happen. It just coincided with him doing this story so he tied it to them.

We had Forever Evil in 2013, Darkseid War in 2016 (which aside from Darkseid vs Anti-Monitor also had the tie-ins where the members of the JL were corrupted by the god powers) and now Year of the Villain in 2019 - it seems like every 3 years we're getting an event focused on villains.

My point is that though both of those are heavily pulled from Scott's Snyder's material. Metal also counts

Because he's a meta-concept that already exists and is undefinable by itself beyond being the direct opposite of those who conduct the stories. It's not some edgelord devil who keeps threatening everyone, it's more like a pernicious influence that seeks to destroy. Kinda like The Empty Hand but he's not at the end of it, he drives everything towards Him.

One, they're the same event. Two most of the YOTV tie ins I can recall are pretty unobtrusive? Lex shows up for like 2 pages and kicks off a new villain plot/arc.

I guess you do have a point about Batman/Superman spending it's first arc on Batman who Laughs Secret Six

he's pulling from his own work!

>One, they're the same event
No they're not. One is leading into the other.
>he's pulling from his own work!
No, he's fucking not. Snyder's run on Batman was just a tweaked version of Morrison's Batman.

>fanfic writing
Fanfic writing is such a vapid statement, specially when refering to canon content. Why is it bad other than "the outline of it sounds silly"

But he was completelly alone, he claimed that no other being was there. Oblivion is sapient

Waiting for his other character named “Void”

>AND THIS
>IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER
>BEYOOOOOOOOND

He wouldn't have been able to perceive oblivion, he's beyond everything. Also key word, he claimed he was alone. When there's nothing, there's oblivion. Oblivion does not act and has no need to display its self awareness

Oblivion is not literal absolute nothingness, it was shown that not even Oblivion exist there, Thanos claimed that "nothing" and Death are different things.

leave Sentry the fuck out of this

Oblivion is literally absolute nothingness, according to Galactus, the Shaper of worlds, Eternity, and many others. He is beyond death

Original person who designed symbiote costume but with red instead of white is rolling in his grave if he was dead

A stupid concept, he doesn't fit the symbiote character. He could be a character but not related to symbiotes.

I don't think so, that would imply that Thanos cucked Death to go Yaoi with Mr Oblivion with his whole "love for nothing" bullshit.

That's literally what he did

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This page was great. Oh man what if Glorian ever came back? He's got such a flamboyant design but he's actually a very fucked up reality warper.

Clearly Cates playing a secretly long game the entire time when he brought Sentry back in Doctor Strange. Incoming Knull&Void event.

>Incoming Knull&Void event.
Oh god please no, leave him alone, he fucked off Earth for a good reason.

Who cares if the comics are shit?

That's why they're fucking cool in the first place.

>Knull and Void
It’s happening bros, Cates is a big enough hack

cancer

just make those evil shadow men part of the one bellow all and then imply Bellow All is the Great Evil Beast

He has no purpose, rather than being plot device. He lives to be the goal for Carnage and then to be defeated by cosmic heroes. That's it.

Lame

>This is simply not true, he has a dragon as its logo, not a spider.
cates said on twitter that venom's spider logo was influenced by its subconscious memories of knull's dragon symbol
also it's really obviously supposed to be retroactively connected

It's so stupid and cheese I'd eat it melted

Ultimately pointless
Most interesting thing was he was the god that gorr found, thats it

Worst part is some user is going to act as if he's ruining the Sentry/Void as if he wasn't a thousand times more forced and annoying than Knull.

pretty cool so far

Most retarded retcon I ever heard.

This is stupid, this is autism

Worse than Wolverine giving Charles the idea for the X-Men?
Worse than the symbiotes being knock off Green Lanterns?
Worse than May and Richard Parker were actually super spies?
Worse than Bendis’ OC blowing up Krypton?
Worse than Reed Richards being responsible for the cosmic rays I
That infected the F4?
Really user?

the added fact doesn't change venom making a spider logo because of spider man, it just gives a different context to its specific appearance
what's wrong with that

Lmao. It means 'to fuck' in norwegian.

The last time he was 'forced' to any degree was in Siege, a decade ago.

he looks like Earth-X Black Bolt

I liked the idea of the klyntar corps, if only as simply a sub-group symbiotes
Because i hate any retcon or world building that is [alien race] is this one thing, no exceptions

It's just a way of saying the writing is bad and is on par with what you might find on any given fanfic site, or basically, writing in which the author finds really fucking cool but others can naturally point out it's flaws because they're not blinded by their own self image. Silly can be done well, this isn't how you do it.

And he died and then came back and made a couple of spare appearances. The very concept of the character requires him to violently interfere with the stories of other characters. Not just a couple of them like Knull, but pretty much everyone in the Marvel Universe

>Anons on Yea Forums cracked Cates’ next move

>cates said on twitter that venom's spider logo was influenced by its subconscious memories of knull's dragon symbol
This is what I meant earlier but couldn't remember the exact words.