I just got a call from the Secretary, I'm going to be running point on the scepter

REEEEE WHY IS CAPTAIN AMERICA SAYING HAIL HYDRA!!! OUTRAGE!!!1!

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I could have stopped this, but no....

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It was a different time.
For what it's worth he was quite tolerant given his situation.

CAP NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

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Based Cap

BASED AND REDPILLED

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He just became my favorite superhero

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Jesus Christ, Steve. It's not 40s anymore.

I take it he was agreeable?

The scene feels smart but it also feels illogical.
Cap's whispering "Hail Hydra" to fucking Sitwell. This guy's at the top of "SHIELD" and theoretically, if Cap was in on the act, he'd know about it. And Rumlow and the others didn't know either. And if it were true, Pierce would have clued them in.
So, honestly, the real reaction I would have expected was another elevator fight.

>Wow he said our phrase! Even though he's captain fucking america it's obvious he's a hydra agent! That whole fighting red skull and the nazis? Nah he was a sleeper agent and that was all a show.

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UNATCO?

this was kino

Around Caps never relax!

Remembering how this exploded at the time never stops making me laugh. Maybe it was a slow news day or something. I thought this is the most comic book-y twist that will be proven false or rewritten or whatever in a couple years, how can anyone care

It went in waves. First this, then the Red Skull page, and then everyone forgot about the comic until Secret Empire began, where people forgot this wasn't really Captain America but a copy, so people were seething because they "turned him into a Nazi" while in the actual comic you could see his history getting rewritten and people getting ADDED into it. It was an amazing run for Spencer in terms of influence, even if it brought the worst out of all sides into the discussion.

I still never understood why peopl got angry t Secret Empire, its a pretty standard type of story

I will never get it either, I remember people burning the FCBD issue and making a statement out of it, just because Cap lifted Mjolnir? People who otherwise wouldn't step inside a comic book store.

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People that never read comic books.

Same folks targeted as readers for things like Maneaters and America.

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Oh shit

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More like, they were too shocked to think rationally. He did do a cool exit from the elevator right after

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How does Winter Soldier play out from then on?

I would imagine such a covert operation would have secrets laid within the plan. Captain America being a Hydra agent? Totally implausible, that's why nobody could know.

NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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So if hadn't happened how would this scene play out?

This was two years before TWS, so HYDRA has time to realize Cap is not a part of them and they have Bucky gun him down when he’s least expecting it.
Wanda and Pietro are never experimented on by the scepter. Sam never becomes the Falcon. Scott Lang never joins the Avengers. AoU and Civil War never happen.
When Thanos attacks, the Avengers are still together but the team is only Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow and Rhodey with help from Doctor Strange. The Wakandans mind their own business. Peter was never given a chance to meet any of the Avengers.

Hydra has a dedicated in-house brainwashing program, even in the MCU. The idea that Cap has been turned isn't impossible.

And you are ignoring the greater context: if Cap KNEW that Hydra had infiltrated shield and WASN'T cool with it, none of his actions up until that point made any sense. Remember, those guys think this is the same cap that just got done fighting Loki and has no problems with SHIELD at all.

Believing that Cap had been turned and it was a secret they were not previously privy too was simply more likely to them than this being some kind of doppleganger with future knowledge.

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It was fake hype in a failed attempt to overshadow rebirth

It's Steve using Hydra's methods against them. Hydra is schemes within schemes within schemes, ulterior motives hiding behind everything, nobody knows the whole picture, no one knows how deep the rabbit hole goes, nobody knows who is and isn't involved. Anyone could be a Hydra agent, you never know. That's their whole schtick. And Cap's been dealing with their shit for like a decade at this point. You're also forgetting that Cap is actually a Charisma build, so when he says to someone basically "Don't worry, you can trust me." he's already 70% of the way into their knickers.

>when Thanos attacks
Except the Thanos from that timeline is gone. He jumped to the main timeline along with his ship, and got Snapped.

People got angry not so much with what happened, but how Marvel and Spencer kept going on about it. At least the non-newfags on Yea Forums anyway. They kept stirring the pot with shit like "NOT BRAINWASHING! NOT A CLONE OR A TRICK! THIS IS THE REAL DEAL TRUE BELIEVERS!" and shit like that. Obviously no one believed that either, but them trying to push it as such got people angry about the whole song and dance. Also, when you're reading weekly, you realize from the beginning you're going to have to be putting up with a year of this, maybe more (how long did people have to put up with Slott's Superior Spider-Man and Peter character assassination shit?), before you actually get anything else. And, of course, he'll show up everywhere else in the Marvel comics too, making it even harder to ignore. It's easier to take the long view after the fact.

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jesus raimi

Savage.

>(how long did people have to put up with Slott's Superior Spider-Man and Peter character assassination shit?)
Two fucking years.

Genuinely great moment that comicfags and Normie s could enjoy to its fullest

No, that Thanos still exists (this is the 2012 timeline), but he can't find the Space Stone since Loki took it.

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