Wolverine is regularly portrayed as way overpowered due to fan popularity

That's Dog, somewhat similar-looking but very different character.

How did he end up as Wolverine's guy?

Fox X-men merged Dog and Sabertooth into one single character in their movies for some reason.

He looks kinda like him but bigger, also his name sounds similar

Daredevil managed to beat him pretty convincingly when he went on a rampage in Hell's Kitchen following the Mutant Massacre.

he was retconned into being related to Wolverine after Claremont left Power Man and Iron Fist and begun writing Xmen

Like a lot of other X-Men characters from other books he wrote.

Even better

Yes

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His file suggests he is as strong, fast and agile as Captain America.

if mods really exist they'll ban this guy for shitting up the board.
> no ongoing with wolverine sabertooth and the extended cast of x-force called teeth and claws.

, Actually he drops oblique hints at it in an issue of Iron Fist, specifically towards the idea that Sabretooth is Wolverine’s father like Claremont had originally planned.

Nice.

He got his ass kicked by Sabretooth back BEFORE his healing factor got stupid and he could still be killed of shit like blood loss and bodily trauma.

He still regularly beats him easily see

That... looks like wolverine driving into a trap on his motorcycle. Anyone could have set that up.

Yeah, but nobody does except sabertooth

If he did that to cap, cap would be dead

That comic is nearly eight years old.
It also takes place in the past.

I always thought it was stupid that Wolverine's claws couldn't fuck up Sabertooth's arms in the first 5 seconds of their fights.

did he just use a wile e coyote level shit on logan?

As with most things, depends on who is writting. Even Gambit has soloed Sabertooth and won, in melee, no powers.

He was with the xmen for awhile no? Even way before that Axis shit. Didnt he run with them when rogue was leading the team and the omega sentinel was on it also? They fought some weird sinister not mutants that he had evolved in a little underground world or something?

But Wolverine is a king jobber.

didn't sabretooth gravely injure psylocke at one point? and she's a damn ninja! so yes it's definitely "depends on who is writing"

>wolverine is regularly portrayed as way overpowered due to fan popularity
That's a lie though, even at the top of his popularity he used to get his ass kicked by Spider-Man, for example. They never really wanked him.

Cap yes iron man no as even woverine needs prep time for that

I mean Spiderman has beaten whole teams of x-men

Wolverine is regularly portrayed as overpowered? What are you smoking, user? He's overexposed due to popularity, but Wolvie's powerset make him the perfect punching bag, he's always the one getting his ass kicked in tram fights and crossovers, and you can't even write Wolverine winning because his adamantium claws would just straight up murder someone.

>sabertooth
>doesn't have 6 inch canine teeth

Spider-Man is low tier cosmic pretending to be street level. That's not really a knock against Logan. That said, Logan has historically been ragdolled like a bitch by even moderate threats.

You're only making it worse.

Sounds like Weapon X-Force.

>ass kicked by Spider-Man
>Spider-Man
user, I...

Sabretooth is just a bigger version of Wolverine. Wolverine just has more heart and tenacity. Similar to the Hulk the angrier he gets the more and longer he can fight.

Sabretooth is so based

I don't think he gets wanked much in actual fights but they do treat him like he's a big deal and ultra bad ass. It's not to say he is weak but on a team of bullshit like Jean, storm, Iceman, ect, having claws isn't all that good. Hasn't wolverine jobbed to scott in all of their encounters?

Spider-man is hitting way below his weight class by mostly focusing on only street crime. He's at an Avenger/X-men league in terms of power levels but he chooses to spend his time chasing bankrobbers and petty criminals. Waste of potential.

He’s Wolverine but bigger and badder, it’s a common comic book/Marvel trope to have animal-like characters fight even bigger and meaner animal like characters

>that Sabretooth is Wolverine’s father like Claremont had originally planned.
I’ve always thought this myself and specifically remember reading comics where Sabretooth is an abusive father to Wolverine in French Canada. Maybe that was retconned into being a planted memory.

>admantium skeleton ripped out by magneto
>bone claws broken by Cyber
>wolverine is regularly portrayed as way overpowered due to fan popularity
False, Wolverine routinely and characteristically always gets his ass kicked. In fact one of Wolverines key characteristics is that he gets absolutely destroyed yet comes back.

>Dick Steele
Top kek

Yeah but rogue had beast inject him with nanites and cable wrote into his mind to limit his savagery. Like when spike had the chip in his head in buffy

I've always thought spider-man as the god of street crime. When he gets serious, he is a force of nature. Plus he goes where he can do the most good for lives of the every day person on the street. He's the best of them.

isnt wolverine a classic jobber though?he is the vegeta of marvel

Are you thinking of one of the Origin comics?

Wait, scratch that. The abusive dad ends up dead, I think.

He's not, dude was made to be a persistent fucker characterized by his tenacity and persistence. He was very killable up until around maybe the 90s, nowadays he can heal from a dollop of cum, but this gives him the excuse getting kicked around by whatever the writer wishes. I remember someone posting that they ran some kind of superhero RPG with Marvel characters and found out that Wolverine had a bitch of a time keeping up with other X-Men and was pretty much there to get shot, beaten, and incapacitated.

No it was a flashback where Wolverine was a kid (with the same hair) and Sabretooth had a red flannel shirt and was pretty much “beer drinking abusive father” with a belt. They also lived in a cabin. It was in the 90s I think. I guess a shitload has changed now.

>Wolverine
>classic jobber
Shit meme

Don't recall if she was a damn ninja already at the time. Also "ninja" at Marvel usually doesn't mean much by itself.

>Hasn't wolverine jobbed to scott in all of their encounters?
Scott has taken on the whole team a couple times, with mixed results. Including Piotr and Ororo.

That was probably Graydon Creed. Or Sabretooth himself getting his ass kicked as a kid.

If you mean Logan was the Coyote, yes.

Age of Apocalypse and Exiles are where he shined best.

It’s not that he’s stronger than Wolverine, it’s that he just has a bonus for when his opponent is Wolverine, and that’s what lets him fight Wolverine and do well.

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In all fairness, Ben Grimm could probably rock the entire classic X-men line up as long as the psychics weren't present. Sabertooth isn't THAT strong. I doubt he could even throw down with someone like Apache for more than a minute.

No, Toad, you shouldn't run. You should jump, you idiot. That's literally all you can do.

Where's this from btw?

Sabertooth is actually more or less powerless against the whole FF. Johnny is his best bet, if he can surprise him or something- but Johnny can fucking fly, shoot flames, and is dangerous to touch. I'm not sure he can hurt Reed at all. Ben and Sue are entirely out of his league; Ben's eyes are the only thing Creed can hurt, but Ben's actually a very good fighter in addition to being huge, nigh invulnerable and super strong. Creed's better, but not so much better he can get to the eyes without surprise and lots of luck.
Ha.
House of X #1.

Heres my take on Sabretooth, coming from an actual fan of Sabretooth.
Sabretooth is a non-character, he exists because of wolverine, and only because of wolverine, he is there so people are reminded what Wolverine is capable of should he decide to let the beast out, You see Sabretooth embraces it while Wolverine runs away from it, so this means that Sabretooth is always portrayed as being stornger, faster, meaner than Wolverine UNTIL Wolverine decides to give into the beast within and overpower Sabretooth.

The problem with this is, this is what happens everytime Sabes enters the picture, he either does one of these two. 1) He fucking jobs, he's there as an easter egg, as someone protagonist that is not Wolverine needs to overpower, and he ALWAYS loses.

2)He is there because Wolverine is also there and the audience is to be reminded that Wolverine is fucking storng but needs to give in to his inner beast to do so, which he does when facing Wolverine, then Sabretooth loses.

again, Sabretooth is not a character, he is an extension of Wolverine.

#justiceforSabretooth

>Hasn't wolverine jobbed to scott in all of their encounters?

Nope.

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Sabretooth has the experience and the tools to beat Captain America IF he is written as the protagonist, but is right, Sabretooth doesn't have his own arc, He's just always there to set the ceiling that Wolverine has to beat.

also some other facts about Sabretooth;

>Is actually more agile than Wolverine due to not having full-on adamantum skeleton
>Liev Schreiber who potrayed him in the godawful origins, is actualyl best buds with Hugh Jackman and refused to wear a muscle suit and wanted the rivalry between Logan and Victor to be genuine so he worked the fuck out for origins.

What villian really has an arc.

Scratch that sabertooth legit wants wolverine to give into the beast and be a monster like him id say thats some thing

fun fact.

Sabretooth, on Logan's birthday, EACH year beats the fuck out of Wolverine.

this is Wolverine with Adamantum enhancements.

>Scratch that sabertooth legit wants wolverine to give into the beast and be a monster like him id say thats some thing

Thats the problem. it IS an arc, but that arc is repeated every fucking time Sabretooth enters the page.

>hitters like Captain America
He should but nope. Cap's popularity armor is even greater than Wolverine's

I liked him when he was inverted, a terrible man trying to make up for all the terrible things he did and resisting the urges to keep doing them.

He paired with Monet well too.

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He used to leave a victim as a present, too.
WTF Wolverine hasn't managed to hand him his ass in these last few years? Haven't been keeping up.

>What villian really has an arc.
Magneto, Doctor Doom, Thanos, Lex Luthor, Megatron, The Monarch, Megatron, Starscream, Megatron...

>He should but nope. Cap's popularity armor is even greater than Wolverine's
It's not a matter of popularity. Cap's got the strategy skills, the agility and the stamina to pull it off, plus the shield to bash his face in hard.

Thats true of every villian

All I see is Frank.

He tries to.

Yes he handed her ass to her, almost killed her thanks to dumbass trailer trash Boom Boom, and she was in full ninja mode at the time. Wolverine had popped a hole in his brain and apparently that’s why her psychic knife didn’t work on him, he left her for dead in the danger room.

>That was probably Graydon Creed. Or Sabretooth himself getting his ass kicked as a kid.
No it was specifically Logan’s memory, Grayson Creed was a bastard orphan

Seriously is this a Max/Ennis/Dillon comic?

Found it, knew I remember it correctly

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Based comic too readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wolverine-1988/Issue-60?id=10535

>Not being a vs fag
You’re not autistic enough to be on this website.

That'd be amusing to see Sabertooth somehow be genuinely fond of the guy even though he only dealt with him, like, once.

Of course you can write Wolverine winning. He punches someone with his adamantium knuckles.

He helped Iron Fist look into who stole Constrictor's identity after he died.

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>craziest anime team ups

Is the early '90s Jim Lee design for Sabretooth the best he ever looked?

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>Frank franks Frank
Frank, no!

Sabertooth was not up to being a 5th rate Spider-Man villain.

But he routinely fucks up X-Men each time he appears. His beating the shit out of Psylocke and Archangel was kind of bullshit though.

He's not that powerful, really good regeneration and animal senses. Normal large guy strength. And claws. His whole thing used to be roaming around New York hunting people like a jungle cat and ripping them up, before he was made into generic mutant thug #27 for bigger mutants like Magneto or Sinister.

The 90s cartoon kind of did it since they were really similar. Before that he was another Sinister goon for hire that fucked with X-Factor.

>but on a team of bullshit like Jean, storm, Iceman, ect, having claws isn't all that good.

I always thought the same thing about Wolverine. Yea claws are cool and all but next to people who have total control over all weather, can move planets, or turn into living unkillable water....it's kind of low tier to just stupid. Even Archangel makes better use of huge knives growing out of him.

Spider-Man is the highest tier of street level here there is. Mostly held back by not having any level of durability. But he is really a solid mid level hero between the street guys and the top level guys like Thor.

His power mix makes him the ultimate ninja/jedi. The better agility, superstrength, wall sticking with danger precog makes him a nightmare to handle physically.

Is that even a question? That was by far his best look ever, MAYBE when he was all yellow but this look is timeless

Seems like this just happened to every popular character in the 90s.

Wolverine went from punchy normal guy, to totally undefeatable god of knife wielding rage that will fully regenerate if a single hair is left in the shower drain and will always cut through anything including universal concepts with ultra claw.

Batman went from really clever, highly trained ninja detective with gadgets to the universal Avatar of Preptime who cannot be stopped even by multiversal gods because he always has some other plan in motion just in case and can 1v1 Darkseid with just training, and is the undisputed boss of all heroes on Earth or in space.

Flash was mostly a street level hero with street level bankrobber villains to the actual avatar of speed that can conjure matter from pure speed, steal speed from anyone and anything, controls his own dimension of speed, can warp or erase matter with speed, outrun nuclear explosions, and defeat top level villains with speed, and can come out just fine from universe rewrites and nonexistence because speed

How in the hell is the original Brotherhood supposed to handle Thing and Torch? Or just Thing by himself?

they aren't, it was a smash and grab

Not really, by the end of Mutant Massacre their rivalry was kinda established.

Arguably Cyclops and Nightcrawler aren't that big a deal, power wise, compared to the some others. The cool thing about the X-Men comics used to be how each one has their role despite the minor powers.

Pretty sure his durability is pretty over normal.

Magneto used to fucking despise him though, dunno about now.

Yea he is basically a large lion man, about as powerful as a 6 foot tall lion mostly. Most people with superstrength or durability can take him. Basically anyone who is up to the task of taking on a lion.

>Pretty sure his durability is pretty over normal.

He is not bullet or knife-proof in any way. So if he has any better durability, it's not much better than a normal person

>The 90s cartoon kind of did it since they were really similar.
Claremont had done it far before then.

The Classic X-Men series (which was reprints of the Uncanny X-Men starting from Giant Size X-Men #1 with "director's cut" extra pages and bonuses stories) had a fight with them that was the first big Sabretooth/Wolverine battle.

>Arguably Cyclops and Nightcrawler aren't that big a deal, power wise, compared to the some others. The cool thing about the X-Men comics used to be how each one has their role despite the minor powers.

I like to think shooting basically Dragonball levels of energy out of one's face and dimensional teleporting is still better than knife hands.

AoA Sabertooth was such a good dude. Not sure why killing Xavier would lead to that, though.

hey muggas don't forget to support our x-waifus in the Ms.Yea Forums contest.

Dick Steele, boob inspector

Sabertooth isn't powerful, he's just a really large and violent berserker with really sharp claws and a healing factor and doesn't offer much beyond that. You wouldn't have enough hands to count how many people can potentially kick his ass in Marvel.

Agreed on all points, power creep means that they can't keep the raising the stakes and end up leaving a fair number of characters behind, especially if they end up being more popular than expected. Everybody else got super ridiculous, so they had to adjust Wolverine accordingly so he wouldn't be relegated to angry claw man that doesn't die as easily as a normal person, so now he's angry claw man that seemingly can't die at all. The only thing that changed is that they can go full ham with the violence and have Wolverine bear the brunt of the damage.

He can take getting punched around by superhumans much better than any human, but I agree that he's definitely not above getting cut or shot to death as a possibility.

You’re all fucking fools.

Sabertooth has been alive for close to two centuries and kept most of his brain intact. Can hack just about any system, survive any terrain and has been shown to take a nuclear reactor to the face once and still stalk jubilee into a corner after having half his body melted out.

Guys a smarter more evil version of deadpool. And thats why he can still beat snickbub on a good day.

A cute.
CUTE.

remember when apocalypse had wolverine and sabertooth fight and wolverine destroyed sabertooth? remember when wolverine let sabertooth out of his cage in the x-mansion right before the mkraken crystal did its AoA shit and wolverine popped his claws into sabertooths brain? it seems to me they have a 50/50 win rate

Being smarter than Deadpool is not a huge feat.

and he is really only something special when taking on X-Men, majority of which are just squishy humans that can shoot or control something. If he catches the attention of almost any other superhuman or team he will not last long.

Sabertooth can't do shit in this scenario, it's over for him

He's there to be taken as a sacrificial lamb since he can take licks without permanent damage.

My personal favorite was Wolverine vs Galactus. The whole comic book was Wolverine on an alien planet trying to GTFO with all the other helpless lifeforms before Galactus finishes his snack.

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Yea but if this happened in 1997 Sabertooth would be fireproof and take out Johnny in seconds then his claws would somehow work on Thing's skin.

Don't read many comics do you? Wolverine jobs all the time, his powercreep stopped decades ago.

It depends on the writer.

Uoy'er right, OP should be more invested in MCU ships and actors he'll never be within 50 meters of than comics.

It's his best costumed look, sure.
But he's always striked me as the plain clothes sort more.

Adamantium claws Wolverine could probably take down the Thing, adamantium is pretty OP.
But bone claw couldn't.

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This post needs more respect

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Well yeah I think back in 1997 Sabretooth actually had adamantium claws and possibly the skeleton, too.
But also around that time, the five original X-Men tracked him down and kicked his ass.

>Could he take down big hitters like Captain America or Iron Man If he tried?

No, like most "dark counterpart" villains, he's only effective against Wolverine. Anyone else would put him down if given the chance.

>wolverine
>large lion man
>lion
user...

Nth for sabretooth plowing your marvel waifu

Sabertooth did some nasty shit to Beast and the rest of the X-men in a modern What If it I recall correctly. Sabertooth's retractable adamantium digits is mentioned in his old Marvel trading card, his fingers, his nails.

I remember my cousins laughing at me.for saying razor sharp digits because digits were slang for phone number.

Stronger than Wolverine, faster than Wolverine, adamantium nails, willingness to kill without hesitation, I have never seen Sabertooth more ferocious than in that What If...?.

Also Captian America has gone from being Hawkeye+ but lacking exhaustion to becoming a mini-hulk between the Ultimates and Captain America the first Avenger.

user, he's talking about sabretooth. Focus.

In a world where most mutants are genocidal maniacs, the bloodthirsty mutant realises that comparatively speaking, he's not that bad.

Claremont was writing several books for Marvel, and liked to create characters for X-Men stories but introduce them elsewhere. After Sabretooth's debut in Iron Fist, it took him years before using him in an X-Men story. At one point he was going to be Wolverine's father, but plans changed.

Where are you getting two centuries from? I don't know that a birth year has been established but there isn't really any reason to think he's more than 120-130.

No, he said Wolverine. This fucking casual thinks Wolverine is a lion man with lion powers.

Remember in 1995 when Venom beat Superman in a fight?

No, it's Wolverine Origins, by Daniel Way and Steve Dillon.

AoA Sabretooth started out as one of Apocalypse's Horsemen, but they left him for dead after he lost to Logan. Looks like he turned against Apocalypse then, Magneto's X-Men took him in and they helped him become a better person.

Logan defeating Creed just before AoA was the first time he ever got a solo victory over him, it was meant to be a huge deal, but since then Wolverine has won more of their fights than he's lost.

It's the Flash's power-creep that's the most baffling, he has a popular rogues gallery of street-level villains that he completely outclasses now.

Because the movie came out before Origins 2 so it was still assumed that Dog was Sabertooth.

this

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I went back and double checked, he never wolverine. He was talking about sabretooth. You may have been confused with something else.

Same way Wolverine migrated from being a Hulk character

Looks like she hulk

>In all fairness, Ben Grimm could probably rock the entire classic X-men line up
Laughing at this.

>sexual tension between the two
this.

wolverine secretly a submissive, hence why he let himself get caught and underwent the weaponx program. he also loves getting dominated by burlier bigger guys, thats why he secretly lets creed beat off on him all the time and lets hulk rip him anally in two.

the 80s were a different time.

When is someone going to tell Peter in-universe that "With great power comes great responsibility" means that he shouldn't be wasting his time with muggers and bank robbers?

I'm pretty sure he was originally conceived to be revealed as his dad so that's still my head canon

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Damn, Sabretooth is one stupid motherfucker.

How so

That is true that Wolverine got his start in a Hulk comic but he was more of a Canadian govt agent tbqh

Classic Dillon artsyle and face

>the look on her face

Same here, he was always better to me that your dad literally wants you dead and is a bigger more OP version of you

Schreiber was the worst Sabretooth ever

From X-Men Origins Sabretooth I think

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Now that I think about it and I know people hate that storyline but did romulus ever say what he thought about sabretooth

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He keeps pushing his luck. Wolverine could snikt his shit every fucking year or just get help, and Sabes would be a vegetable or locked up until the next birthday, every time. Hell I'm sure Logan would enjoy that like a way to blow his candles.

They need to make Sabertooth a lot more like this in the MCU and even a long lasting villain who can be the tempter/satan to Wolverine's Jesus or some shit, this is pretty cool.

I like the idea of creed just wants Logan as his billy to his jimmy lee. And if he won't, he'll make Logan into like him, a monster, just like his dad made him think that's what he was.

Not sure who this artist is, but panel 3 is effective as hell.

support Logan's favorite kiddo

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And it's Mystique.

>I had a kid with this man

Stop backtracking newfag, you said Wolverine was a lion man, you are fucking retarded. It's fucking disturbing how casual you are.

That's why almost all new flash villains from the mid 00s and after are just evil speedsters now. Nothing else can match a speedster any longer so villains just have to be evil versions.

I guess that's why in one AU there's Herc/Logan canon gay.

>And Sue
Sorry I don't read any of FF, but how fucking powerful is sue to where she can go toe to toe with fucking sabertooth? I thought all she can do was turn invisible and shoot out energy blast

Forecefield that can stop Galactus shooting at her. And can shape it into whatever shape and size she wants.

If she wants to be really mean she will make a tiny forcefield bubble inside someone's brain or intestine.

Basically she has the same powers as Green Lantern only her constructs are invisible

That fucking look on her face lmao

Huh
What the actual fuck
This bitch is actually just invisible Green lantern
Was she always like this? How come we never see shit like that in any media the fan 4 show up in except the comics?

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She is considered the most powerful member of the team for a reason

Because it's mostly tell and not show. She's nice so there are very few instances of her cutting loose and destroying someone.

Because like team Green Lanterns, she is basically regulated to putting up forecefields when the big bad shoots at the team, and helping the non flying people get to and from the battlefield.

Who considers her the most powerful?

>she knows

They’re both pretty much indestructible so I don’t think it’ll change or they’ll be a different dynamic

Gambit took on Sabretooth and won.