This is animation under socialism

Anyone with a brain would know that spamming a wall of text that says literally nothing isn't an argument worth adressing. You're just like Ben Sharpedo, thinking that yelling louder and talking faster with bloated sentences makes you correct and smart.

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>Dude the Soviets were good trust me

who are you quoting?

This is animation under capitalism

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The only one using a lot of words to say absolutely nothing is you.

t. No argument

>soviet slave labor animation
>modern western degeneracy
I'm happy to live in interesting times such as these.

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It's okay to kill communists

Can anyone name a cartoon thats produced in russia these days?

With how cheap the rubble is I figure there'd be at least some studios set up there, but nothing that i know of.

at least the west still mkes animation

How do commies STILL exist?

No it isn't
Slaves usually produce worse products
Nothing is better than a focused mind happy with his work

Technically those are images drawn under socialism.
We'd need to see a gif or webm to see animation under socialism.

Source plz

>all the soviet animators who died/got disabled/dissappeared in WW2 either on the front or just existing in Leningrand

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Art was government funded. You would know if you had any education about it, communism is shit but acting like it's some evil boogeyman where every single aspect of existence is bad just makes you look retarded.

And their work that perished in the bombings
youtube.com/watch?v=UEHcMZ-m8MQ

The only meaningful post ITT

A lot of commie animation was alright or even good (Hy, пoгoди is based af), the stereotypes of 'Western violent cartoons unfit for children' fit it nicely; however, there's a reason that these had to be funded from the state's money and that once this source dried out, studios fell - these were never meant to be commercially successful, so the budget could go higher than the planned income
(also because until this day everything that's animated is seen as 'for children' here, to the point that an adult-oriented Western cartoon marked as 16+ or 18+ created a 'think of the children' controversy

The collapse of the Soviet Union brought to a close the golden era of Baseduzmultfilm. New economic realities made it impossible for the government to support the studio any longer. In 1989, Baseduzmultfilm was made into a leased enterprise (expiring after 10 years) and forced into the capitalist marketplace.

Although the studio survived, it shrank dramatically, losing nearly 90% of its staff and releasing only a few films. One early misfortune happened when the Russian courts transferred the studio's puppet division building (in a legal decision involving many other buildings) to the Russian Orthodox Church. Before the animators could react to this turn of events, an Orthodox Cossack squadron, accompanied by religious locals, broke into the building with swords unsheathed for the purpose of exorcism and began throwing out the "satanic puppets animated with the blood of Christian babies". No studio employees were allowed to come in and salvage any item, despite the presence of much expensive equipment and a whole library of puppets.

>the Russian courts transferred the studio's puppet division building (...) to the Russian Orthodox Church. Before the animators could react to this turn of events, an Orthodox Cossack squadron, accompanied by religious locals, broke into the building with swords unsheathed for the purpose of exorcism and began throwing out the "satanic puppets animated with the blood of Christian babies".
There's no fucking way that's real ahahaha holy shit

Low wage is not enough to make business viable. You also need working state institutions to protect it from being raided by mafia.

This is one example, at least what I know:
youtube.com/watch?v=YQK8aqTWP2s

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Masha and the bear

Oh shit, is that White Diamond?

if you've actually seen the movie the snow queen barely fucking moves at all

Im pretty sure those are still images

Im sure korean animators love living under communism and all the artistic freedom they get

I know this adaptation of the snow queen, apparently the animation was great enough that it was actually brought over here theatrically in the us in 1959, a rarity amongst Soviet animated films. Was even released on video later in the mid 80s

Under socialism or just under Russian hands?

They are artsy. They are cultured. The opposite of Americans. They have ballet. Classic literature.

He's not quoting anyone, he's just actually writing down your implications.

The fingers look like DICKS

>there is talent under socialism

There's also talent in capitalism, feudalism, fascism and everything else what's your point ?

You can see the broken spirit of the artists in the animation.

Koreans’s don’t have art because they’re korean.

i don't want america to become south korea OR north korea

but i know which one is going to happen

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youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXYSsAyRBG-rQE2KxA6IVDk4eq2CwO-aB

They've made a CG Snow Queen that used the troll as a wacky sidekick that ended up getting an assload of sequels and sold over here as a Frozen cashgrab.

youtube.com/watch?v=s0VnNrARdV4

It also encouraged Hayao Miyazaki to stay in the animation industry.

Thanks to capitalism, every fucking baby boomer thinks animation is really easy and the fact you can churn out good quality animation in 15 minutes,

thats why they steal everyone elses art

>dude look at how pretty this cartoon is, just let us reinstate communism again, it ill work this time I swear!

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All the ex-communist republics want to go back to communism. Just saiyan

Fun fact: Roosevelt was called a socialist by his peers, not only as a meme but as a serious acusation that he was selling out USA to the soviets, when in fact the New Deal, along Shirley Temple and the self-made man myth, saved America from socialism.

no they don't. Those bullshit studies deliberately ignore the ones who say they don't want to.

>Please I want more genocides and concentration camps

Fun fact: Modern scholars believe that Roosevelt's new deal actually prolonged the great depression

If I explained it to you, you'd stick your fingers in your ears and shriek Hannity-isms to try and keep pure.

Did you mean Baseduzmultfilm?

Citizens of Yea Forums! A ring of steel surrounds your rotten board!
Abandon your posts!
Abandon your homes!
ABANDON ALL HOPE!

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Fuck off commie

better than what we have now

parovoz.tv/en/leo

It was great while it lasted.

Really? Which of them are voting communists into power then, if the popular support is there?

Both looks great. Why can't we just take aside politics from cartoons for one day, just for one day and appreciate the beautiful soviet an american animation as a form of art? What ya think folks? :D

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Pretty sure this thing is Russian

youtu.be/mHMbq7jonnA

>BASEDuzmultfilm
based

Is this what they really teach you guys in school?

Incredibly based! Reznov best COD character

Animators in general are slaves though

youtu.be/xLAkKx3eDvc
This is animation you're NOT seeing under it

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Banned Soviet animation thread?

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Still frames and generic looking characters?

Masha and the Bear?
Spoken like a person who actually lived under asocialist dictatorship.

I don't think the Baltic states, who sang their way to independence, really want live in the USSR again.

Saying "you pulled this out of your ass" is not the same as "the soviets were good."

This shit is real. this happened.

Yeah, fuck the life of a bureaucrats.

The amount of unawareness oozing from this post is why I keep coming back to Yea Forums, its hilarious.

On one hand you aren't wrong about folklore and spirituality but I would argue that the Soviet theorist Vladimir Propp did a better job at codifying the emotional importance of folktales than any first-world writer. The closest American counterpart would be Joseph Campbell and if you compare them Propp absolutely blows Campbell out of the water in terms of theoretical rigor.

But in terms of actually applying folklore into animation Disney was way better way faster.

>Poland
>wanting to go back to Communism
lol

Yes. YES. Let's devolve the discussion about CARTOONS into a political shitflinging until soft rains fall. Just enjoy the nuclear fire, all of you.

I'd rather discuss the geopolitical circumstances under which historical animation was produced than have another Steven Universe thread or some other gay fucking shit

Those are stills.

is this steven universe season 6 leaked footage?

There Will Come Soft Rains
youtube.com/watch?v=5LNHYz89sNc

Nice, to be real we reached the end of politics.

Yeah, I'd rather read about the Soviet animation then and current state of Russian animation.

I can tell what the fuck I'm looking at despite never having seen the film. It's good enough.

Actually, 4 years right after the fall of the USSR, the Polish Communist Party won the elections

Soviet The Jungle Book is kino as fuck

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based and nuancepilled

Did someone say bureaucrats?
youtube.com/watch?v=QLFjrZwoMx0

Bump

I don't remember the parts where the Soviet's military gunned down a bunch of civilians that went on strike, that was conveniently left out of the text books.

I have this movie on vhs, I loved it as a kid.
I'm also a big fan of Alexander Petrov's works.. He has a very bright, expressive, and loving painting style.

Here is some of Alexander Petrov's works:
youtube.com/watch?v=iKcMD0qDMtY
youtube.com/watch?v=6uQD_gntlX4
youtube.com/watch?v=W5ih1IRIRxI

These are other animations that have English subtitles available:
youtube.com/watch?v=pCYkE5ouI88
youtube.com/watch?v=Rgp5h-59rIg
youtube.com/watch?v=BS1OIiRY1MM
youtube.com/watch?v=W4nGpbHrcM4

This one doesn't have any English translation but it still has nice animation:
youtube.com/watch?v=TqSBZ-FMzjs

bumping interesting thread

youtube.com/watch?v=dFv-t-jX3-s
Did you say BANNED CATOONS

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Man, the Soviet Union was obviously horrible and fucked up. The problem is that Americans think that "Socialism = A Government Exists" which isn't Socialism, it's just a Government. The only alternative to this bullshit definition of "Socialism" is pure Anarchy. People are free to argue about what a government should actually do or not do, but in the U.S. and especially online (Chapo fat loser assholes aside) they almost never mean "now the workers at a factory own that factory."

Which gets to a larger point: the U.S.S.R. wasn't really the original spirit of "Socialism" or even Communism, that's true, but that's actually because "Socialism" is impossible. The phooney balooney bullshit idea was that after the Revolutionaries seized the government and a short transitional period, they would all just voluntarily give up all of their power and voluntarily dissolve the State, leaving a bunch of happy Anarchist Communes that were just nice and competent despite total freedom. Want to guess what actually happened instead?

This is why both Communism and Hard L, extreme no-State Libertarianism are bullshit: they'll never actually happen. Both boil down to anarchy and depend on assholes not getting power and becoming a de facto or actual Government in the vacuum. It's why there aren't large well-functioning areas of the Earth that are some flavor of anarchy, at least not for very long. Both "extremes" are the same nice airy-fairy fantasy idea and are bullshit.

>thread about eastern bloc animations that aren't discussed often
>liberals and conservatives have to come in here and ree about how communism killed 600 gorrillion in concentration camps
Just talk about cartoons for once

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Sounds like something a commie would say.

Yes and?

nigga look who's leading Poland now, an authoritarian conservative that gives away budget money like candy - sounds mighty commie to me
a better example is Estonia or even Czech Rep (the latter has a commie party that regularly gets btfo)

The bigger problem is the mindset 'America good, Russia bad' - if the regimes were reversed the same thing would be argued, only in reverse; it applies to everything, from culture both high and pop, through science to even history (ask Americans who contributed the most to WW2 in Europe or who had the highest losses)
Not saying a lot of US-made stuff isn't superior to Russian (I myself prefer the American creations), just that there's a stereotype a lot seem to fall into - just like in the Eastern Bloc there are certain falsehoods and misconceptions about the Western culture

>bureaucracy will turn you into a monster
>don't even try to pursue a career in there
>just slave your live away at the factory instead, look at how happy these low-educated wife-beating alcoholics are
>leave bureaucracy to us, goyim
I like some tricks they used in this short, but its moral doesn't make sense anywhere outside of the socialist environment.
These weren't banned. The only cartoon ever banned in USSR was "Glass Harmonica", a majestic bad trip edition of Yellow Submarine.

No, that's what I learned growing up hungry in a socialist country.

>and depend on assholes not getting power
To be fair, almost all systems depend on this in order to actually function well for everyone. We're seeing modern capitalism collapse precisely because it has been commandeered by assholes, and is uniquely vulnerable to them.

That's a rather poor interpretation. It's not telling people to stay down, it's telling people that the way bureaucracy works is flawed and must change.

The worst part is that assholes always snowball into more assholes until either collapse or revolution. The Habsburgs didn’t suddenly stop being incestuous

Sure, and the montage of happy factory workers is just a coincidence.

Yeah, I don't think it's about that at all
It's about how the whole soviet bureaucracy is systematicly wrong, and you can not be a good person while working in it
Hell, they even use the Imperial Tsarist March, to drive away the point that there's no difference between a Soviet Bureaucrat and a Tsarist Bureaucrat
youtube.com/watch?v=SPzBjXbv384

Because the New Deal is fucking neoliberal as hell

Then again most people here seems to think Socialism = USSR and PRC, which no it's not, that's offshoots of Lenin, aka not socialism, just dictatorships using socialism to trick the people

>all these unironic commies
>check address bar
>Yea Forums

what else did i expect

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we call them Tankies, and there is an alarming amount of them, I blame shit youtubers and kids forgetting that just because a country says their communist doesn't mean they are.
That and Tankies will kill every other leftist when they just get a lil bit of power, so fuck them

>it's not real socialism, that hasn't been tried
just like the meme

You're obsessed.

Socialism has actually been tried, just that capitalist countries instantly throws their armies on them and kill them, because the two can't coexist.
nah, just hate Tankies who is gonna kill me if they every got some power.

you're a fucking useless neet on spamming /pol/itics Yea Forums, you're not important enough to be killed - at worst you'll be forced labour

>youtu.be/1PPuXI5m1js
Contemporary Russian (not Soviet) animation.
Different than American shows but well-done.
Not CalArts or Hanna-Barbara "cheap as possible" work.
Interestingly, episodes (this is 1) are numbered and should be watched in order. Plot and characters develop; unlike Western programs designed to be re-cycled endlessly and in random order in syndication.

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I mean I'm gay so they will probably kill me just for that, but yeah more likely forced labour.
Either way fuck tankies

No, he's correct. His point extends to different media. Just look at how horrible Solzhenitsyn had it yet produced incredible work.

Russian Christians had been brutally suppressed for three generations. They were probably pretty pissed off.

Snow Queen, I believe.

No, they just want government that works. Mussolini made the trains run on time after all.

They weren't, only cultist priests. Orthodox Church was restored by Stalin's order anyway, so I doubt if even one generation had passed.

All offshoots Christians are always pissed off, stupid sect

Poles are bloodsucking the EU, that's a form of communism

>imagine unironically believing that
I don't mind christianity, it's a pretty interesting religion and bible is pretty cool book, but russian church are bunch of greedy mobsters.

They're still Russian, after all.

>unlike Western programs designed to be re-cycled endlessly and in random order in syndication.
Except most popular cartoons of 2010s have an overarching plot of some sort.

Imagine this, there has been dozens of threads discussing Russian/soviet animation on Yea Forums over years, without political shitflinging too. It's propably because they usually start with material too, rather than OP posting still frames, not a single link and muh socialism.

Have this armenian masterpiece at least youtube.com/watch?v=kmB4DfG-3K4

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Here you go OP, these are two different versions the English translated Snow Queen. The older one and the newer one
youtube.com/watch?v=xZyfXzU2WdI
youtube.com/watch?v=cV1M1y595_U

this WAS under the old days

And here's the original, I think
youtube.com/watch?v=9aCmyYsUuJ8

Only the literal boomers and autistic tankies want it back.
t. slav

>post-USSR slavs haven't produced anything good in terms of anima-

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they coexist just fine until the socialist country begins to fail, then the capitalists go
>hey free resources

This show is unironically good.

>that one episode about prostitution

snow/ice queen

>the episode which is just Terminator but slightly more kid friendly
>Disco episode
>the one in which they get high on Indian tea and wake up 6 months later in the middle of winter
>when the crow dude gets absolutely mad when he finds out an old locked luggage bag and starts going through his entire life to figure out what he hid inside of it
It feels that after the first season their writers simply had no restraints on them.
youtube.com/watch?v=uRjDbZTFdNw

>that episode where Grandma Owl learns that her friend with whom she had a fight many years ago and haven't reconciled since have been sending her letters all this time and she didn't even knew
Despite being presented as "kiddie" show it had some HEAVY shit.
I'd say, some of it was on par with Futurama.

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let us squat in peace brothers

>the episode that made fun of trannies almost a decade ago
Words cannot express how much I love this fucking show.

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Technicaly, it made fun of otherkins/furries,but from my PoV trannies are otherkin.

Cool, but I'd still rather take capitalism where we have 100+ firms making animated art rather than 2 state firms that put out an animation about once every 5 years.

I'm pretty sure that otherkins/furries weren't relevant enough to be made fun of at the time this episode was made, let alone in mainstream russian children's media.
But even if they weren't targeting trannies and it started applying to them on it's own, it only makes this situation more hilarious.

>2 state firms that put out an animation about once every 5 years
I'm partial to a free market myself, but those numbers are a bit off

Better have few masterpieces than tons of trash from Disney and Illumination though.

Examples, please.
Most are the equivalent of gag-a-day comic strips.
Status quo is restored at end of episode.
Y'think SpongeBob will be fired for incompetence or Mojo will take over Townsville?

Yeah, I know the Fire Lord goes down at the end, but that's so rare that Yea Forums is still marveling at how great and unique TLA was years later.

>2 state firms that put out an animation about once every 5 years
C'mon man, give them a bit more credit then that

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lol

Look, socialism has yet to be made to work in a large country. Every time they try socialism in a country with a large population it inevitably collapses,

It works in countries with lower populations. Also it can work in countries with ethnically homogeneous populations— but the “why“ of that one I will let you autists argue on a different board.

I’m just tired of the back-and-forth sniping from people who think it’s either “the devil“ or “some amazing cure all”

And if anybody wants to complain about “American capitalism“ I just want to remind you that we’re not living in a capitalist society in America. We are living in a “corporate socialism“ where giant corporations get the government handouts and subsidies. Do you want to help fix America real fast? With those big corporations screw up and fail, just let them die and if you want to give some kind of socialist ballot to someone in the week of those things?m do you want to help fix America real fast? With those big corporations screw up and fail, just let them die and if you want to give some kind of socialist bailout to someone in the week of those things, give it to the people whose lives were destroyed by the corporate malfeasance. Not the corporations.

Anyhow, this was an ill conceived thread. Maybe take this back to /pol/

this is so much better than the captialist whore version it's amazing

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Eat my shit commie

I think that user is confusing that with North Korea. For example, Squirrel and Hedgehog releases a new episode once a year.

>American education

The soviet union was a pretty shitty state but lmao at this dystopia everyone was a miserable slave view

>thread about a genuinely well made 1957 animated movie devolved into /pol/ shit
Pic related is probably how OP feels like. You are all faggots.

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That doesn't look a thing like Steven Universe

Only four.

>With how cheap the rubble is I figure there'd be at least some studios set up there, but nothing that i know of.
Most of the industries are dead in Russia, this includes entertainment industry. It doesn't mean there aren't any studios (there's a bunch of government financed kid-friendly and PSA/educational cartoons for example, like Smesharkiki, Luntik, Barboskini, Fixiki, etc.), but it sure isn't a viable job prospect for most people. If you're a half-competent artist, you're way better off drawing furry porn for americans/europeans.

If Steven Universe had been socialist, the Diamonds would have been shattered and the means of gem production seized. Instead all they really had to do was stand up to them and the dictators caved. SU is 100% western modern mainstream pacifist liberalism.

>modern mainstream pacifist liberalism.
Also known as American socialism.

The image of a bunch of Orthodox priests ransacking a fucking puppet studio is funny as fuck

>modern mainstream pacifist liberalism.
>American socialism
Talking out of your ass I see.

Seriously, our socialists are fucking pussies.

They definitely don't go far enough

Animation under capitalism

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It's more a case of anyone in America who knows what socialism is, isn't a socialist.

>you can choose to not spend money on shitty movies
Oh, the abject horror.

Please explain what socialism is user

>anyone in america who knows what socialism is isn't a socialist

what? or is this some dumb jingoist americans wouldn't fall for that bullshit

Look at literally any country where socialism has been attempted. This includes Bolshevism, Juche and National Socialism.

To be fair, I am a bit of an American jingoist. I feel only a little shame in saying that, mostly due to the current state of the country.

>Didn't explain anything
Alright then

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I gave examples, which you have the ability to readily study. I'm not going to subsidize your laziness. This isn't LA.

He cited examples of what he believes qualifies as socialism. Look at his examples and you'll see a centralized, planned economy and large state is always at the center of any definition.

yeah, we should embrace communism to eradicate the calarts face in animation. That will show them!

holy shit what a cool concept

Capitalism has killed far more than communism ever could if it tried. Im serious lookup and compare the statistics yourself.