This week's Star Wars comics
>Age Of Resistance: Supreme Leader Snoke #1
>Star Wars Adventures #25
This week's Star Wars comics
Oliver Evans
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John Jones
Jackson Williams
Justin Bell
Asher Martinez
Aaron Martinez
Caleb Sullivan
Jonathan Lopez
Chase Collins
Whenever I hear the word "resistance" now, I think more about the Dark Crystal and Star Wars than real life resistance. Does that make me a normie?
Eli Brooks
Nathaniel Wood
What real life resistance is there to be thinking of?
Benjamin Sullivan
The adventure of the man who did nothing and then died
Charles Jackson
Ian Scott
Chase Torres
Alexander Torres
Carter Cook
Aaron Roberts
Aaron Howard
Gavin Sanders
This comic stuff would've been nice to know about before Snoke got cut in half.
Leo Lee
Ayden Peterson
Nathan Roberts
Dominic Richardson
Justin Lee
William Stewart
Daniel Howard
James Long
>he outplayed Snoke's telepathic abilities once already
So, what was the point in dragging Rey along to the Throne room and not taking Snoke out as soon as he chewed him up for the Starkiller failure? Apart from trying to get his dick wet.
Ethan Phillips
Jeremiah Martinez
Jaxon Nelson
Hudson Foster
I can't believe Luke Skywalker is dead
Logan Martinez
Blake Peterson
Nolan White
Luis Evans
I maintain that Snoke being nothing but Kylo's boss is all that anybody needs to know about him. He's the bigger bad guy, done and done. What the fuck did the OT ever tell anybody about Darth Sidious? Did anybody ever NEED anything told about him?
Logan Cox
Brody Lee
Asher Richardson
Jacob Hughes
Snoke fucking sucks.
Samuel Allen
Jordan King
Yeah, I'm pretty bummed. The Hux and Phasma issues helped a lot with their characters, but this should have been the Kylo-Ren one-shot
Owen Gray
Jason Reed
Christopher White
Caleb Cox
Ryan Hill
Adam Gomez
Grayson Reed
Colton Long
My problem with Snoke is that he's basically a copy of Palpatine, except less interesting. Even before the prequels, Palpatine at least had that hamminess to him that made him stand out.
Lucas Hill
Leia still lived. Even in The Last Jedi, he couldn't bring himself to kill his mom, that was his subordinates; and he never finds out that she survives. That was adorable and gave Kylo so much humanity but what's important is that that's the point he makes the decision to strike out on his own. He only ever says "Let the past die, kill it if you have to" once he thinks there is nothing left of his past, nothing to go back to. Rey was the final push he needed to decide to start over from scratch with her.
Lincoln Torres
Easton Bailey
>that rainbow hairstyle
Christopher Wilson
Jace Sanders
Nathan Howard
Dominic Parker
>posting images during a storytime
Don't be an asshole.
Evan Torres
Next week
>Age of Resistance: Rey #1
>Age of Resistance: Rose Tico 1
>Doctor Aphra #36
Jaxson Ross
he outplayed snoke when he was in some force tree away from snoke's actual view. he needed rey as a distraction to do it in plain sight.
Ryan Gonzalez
does this explain who he is?
Logan Cook
>Age of Resistance: Rey #1
>Age of Resistance: Rose Tico 1
>Doctor Aphra #36
Nathaniel Edwards
he's not like palpatine at all though. he's more pragmatic and not nearly as devious.
Brandon Allen
>a Snoke book
Why?
>this is IDW Star Wars
I can't believe Star Wars was in better hands with Marvel. IDW SW is just Steven Universe.
Cooper Bennett
Nah
Jaxon Watson
> a snoke comic
> after not only he died, but he went down like a chump.
gee I dunno.
Carson Price
How is it even like Steven Universe?
Dominic Perez
>storytime ends 2 images later
Retard
Wyatt Allen
Nah, Adventures is usually great.
Cameron Myers
It is a wasted opportunity, a blank slate that doesn't even have charisma to justify itself. In the original saga the emperor had buildup and was hammy, memorable and obviously held inmense power, he was the empire and the dark side personified. Even without the backstory, he still became an icon. Snoke needed a backstory because without his he's just a lesser version of something that has already been done.
Brandon King
>just a lesser version of something that has already been done.
something something prequels something something dicksucking
Ayden Powell
So?
Joseph Sanders
It would be nice to know about in the movie.
Jack Hall
Palpatine's looks and demeanor told you everything you needed to know about him. I mean, he was dressed entirely in black. Snoke is just a guy in golden bathrobe
Jaxon Johnson
Not really into the new Star Wars stuff.
Is it ever explained what the fuck the First Order even is?
I thought the Empire fucking scrambled after it's Emperor died. Who are these assholes and where did they come from? Why isn't Leia President of the Galaxy or whatever?
Lincoln Clark
The tone and overall aesthetic of the book is peak SU. There's even a rainbow hair OC. Any bets on if she's nonbinary?
Wyatt Perry
Difference is as shit both are capable of being, SU at least made a decent film,.
Luis Robinson
This. Snoke was focusing fully on Rey, the moment Kylo chose he took it to snuff the idiot out. This. He's just a dark sider who got lucky to get Sheev's spoils.
Joseph Ortiz
the Moment he slap Ben i throw his character to garbage again!
Cameron Peterson
That's not how storytelling works, Palpatine didn't need much info because there is no previous works contradicting him. Snoke existence in the other hand need an explanation, being a force sensitive user rising through the ranks of the empire is supposed to be impossible due to the rule of 2
Also Palpatine had several things about him shown in the old trilogy, he was part of a democratic goverment but somehow changed it to a dictadorship, he was part of the ancient order of the sith.
Ayden Watson
Empath not telepath.
Smoke could accurately read Kylos hate but misinterpreted the target
Jonathan Scott
/argument
Isaac Turner
This singular page is literally the only time i have ever respected Snoke as a villain
Brayden Ramirez
they have to give the chump a backstory sometime,
Henry Cruz
>Why isn't Leia President of the Galaxy or whatever?
Because she was set to be, but someone used proof of Vader being her father to turn the public against her at the zero hour.
Aaron Garcia
>Snoke
Who gives a shit
Ayden Smith
>we get a Snoke story two years after killing him off
>it tells us absolutely nothing about him and is just as much Kylo's story as it is Snoke's
Thanks anyway, OP.
Thomas King
I haven't been following the new canon all that closely, but I read that some Imperials went into the Unknown Regions and came back strong enough to wipe out the New Republic and presumably conquer the galaxy after TLJ.
Andrew Lopez
>Disney "Star Wars"
Fan fiction to me.
Asher Wright
>Age of Resistance: Rose Tico 1
Laughing my ass off.
Parker Fisher
God, I hate Snoke so fucking much. They don't even try to hide that he's nothing but a bargain bin Palpatine who they are probably bringing back for the new movie anyway so his character is even more useless. The First Order stuff in general is pretty stupid, Abrams and Johnson are fucking hacks that couldn't come up with a new villain so they basically copied the Empire conflict wholesale but handled infinitely worse.
Lincoln White
I agree. So, I was digging into old Legend shit lately, and I find it really interesting than I anticipated.
Now, There is no need for me to care about current nu wars contents.
Hudson Murphy
>Age of Resistance: Rose Tico 1
Predict its sales numbers lads.
Anthony Lopez
>Rose Tico #1
For what purpose?!
Oliver Roberts
Fear flying is clearly something his mother taught him.
William Rivera
It makes you complacent.
Nolan Long
What should we be resisting right now?
Jose Bailey
How many women with colored hair do we need Leia to be friends with? Couldn't they make at least one of them an alien or something?
Christian Powell
Calories?
John Adams
How many are there? Last I checked we are at one.
Elijah Gomez
Dumping Captain Phasma and General Hux since they were good too
Parker Morris
Henry Green
Andrew Russell
Nathan Collins
Adrian Hill
Benjamin Cox
Mason Peterson
Mason Cruz
Connor Gomez
Jaxon Sullivan
Benjamin Rodriguez
Benjamin Lopez
Hudson Collins
Gabriel Lee
Nolan Roberts
Henry Hernandez
Zachary Jones
Jose Gutierrez
Aaron Peterson
Carter Wright
James Murphy
Luis Cruz
Jack Murphy
oh joy its Snoke that character so many people care about!
Nathaniel Foster
And now the issue that made me love Hux
Jordan Cook
Zachary Murphy
Wyatt Mitchell
Phasma is refreshingly coldblooded. This is like one of four things she's in where she winds up killing or almost killing someone who looks up to her
Christopher Bennett
Juan Bailey
Anthony Bailey
Alexander Young
Cameron Morris
Xavier Barnes
Connor Martinez
Charles Adams
Logan Russell
They should just reveal Snoke was a failed attempt at creating another Anakin, but Sidious couldn't replicate Anakin's birth and created a deformed creature that's powerful with the force but physically unstable.
Aaron Peterson
Kevin Baker
Lucas Martin
Aiden Gutierrez
Jaxson Perez
James Butler
Welp, at least it isn't Muse.
Aiden Fisher
Cameron Ramirez
Luis Sanders
Evan Anderson
Alexander Powell
Landon Long
Jeremiah Young
Ethan Baker
End
Tyler Harris
I wonder if that was the point. A failed clone that palpatine just let run around thinking it was in charge.
Jonathan Moore
>everyone complaining about Snoke having a comic
>Phasma had at least three
Thomas Jones
>Is it ever explained what the fuck the First Order even is?
Picture this. All of the A-Class officers, the best of the best in the Empire, were on Death Star 1 when it blew up.
All of the B-Class officers were on Death Star 2 when IT blew up
All of the C-Class officers died in Operation Cinder or surrendered after Return of the Jedi
The D-Class officers fled to the Unknown region and camped out for 20 years.
They are what the First Order descended from.
Christian Anderson
Gee Imagine if we had seen phasma do all this bad shit in the movie where she's supposed to be the villain.
oh gee.
Adrian Cook
And I thought Grevious had it rough. At least he had one cool scene, canon or not.
Jackson Campbell
>The D-Class officers fled to the Unknown region and camped out for 20 years.
>They are what the First Order descended from.
But where did their resources come from? And how are they more competent than the New Republic?
Brayden Sanchez
>And how are they more competent than the New Republic?
Mothma disbands 90% of the military within the first couple years of the NR existing and that stays law through to TFA
They revive the Senate and allow planets to be "independent" from it while still going there to complain about problems they are having. Ryloth is one of them.
FO purposefully started leeching spies into the Senate/governments of certain planets to turn them into sympathizers to the cause.
Jaxon Wood
And I'll add to that Gee, Imagine If we had seen why hux is dangerous, in the movie where he's supposed to be a big threat instead of just seeing him yell all the time to no effect at all.
oh gee.
Julian Moore
This was more Kylo Ren's story than Snoke's.
Noah Wright
Alright, the NR was fucking retarded but that doesn't explain where they got the money to build an even bigger death star.
Ethan Clark
just turn your brain off bro. wait for JJ to maybe hint at a hint of the answer in 9.
Levi Lewis
So it hans't been explained?
Jesus
Elijah Bennett
I'll be honest, I really want her to show back up improbably in IX just to die immediately again. Commit to the bit at this point.
John Anderson
we barely have a well-put-together background of the FO outside of the financial situation. We don't know when Snoke shows up in it, other than it's at least 15 years before TFA. We don't know what happened to Grand Admiral Sloane, other than she's is most likely dead with all the first wave FO leaders thanks to Hux, Phasma, and Snoke killing them off.
Jaxson Wood
So what the fuck has Disney been doing with the new EU? I at least thought that basic stuff like that had already been explained but I just had no interest in reading it, but it turns out that absolutely nothing has been explained in the films or anywhere else.
It's almost sad.
Julian Martinez
REMINDER
Every character who has Died and had a Age of comic, has had this page mention their death (example, see Snokes one above)
EVERY character who has died....Except Phasma
Could this mean...
Benjamin Lewis
It's almost ironic. The old Star Wars EU was famous for needlessly delving into even the tiniest detail, background character and throwaway line.
Nowadays, they can't be bothered to even give their main villains a proper backstory.
William Morales
Disney Wars in general feels like SU:
>MC is OP.
>Rainbow haired-binary OCs running around every corner.
>Setting is under utilized, instead we get more 'messages,' and vague character types.
>Obsession with modern day gender issues which detracts from the story at large.
>Comically inept villains so our perfect heroes will never be in danger because danger is problematic.
Thing is:
>SU, for all it's faults, developed it's characters from their base archetypes-and I say that after hating Steven and writing fics where he's getting tormented.
>Compare that to Rey who is blander and thinner than a piece of cardboard.
>SU villains at least had some oomph to them before Steven talked them down and wrecked them as characters- Snoke however, had none and got taken down like a Punk.
>At least Jasper flipped the bird.
>SU has better lesbian shipping.
Jordan Ortiz
>So what the fuck has Disney been doing with the new EU?
filling up the OT era, giving the prequel era a bone every now and then, giving the ST era a bone at least once a year.
They are shit out of luck for churning out story after story for the post ROTJ timeline because of the ST movies. They aren't being written to a specific guideline, since JJ and Rian are/were the ones making up the story on their own. Once 9 is done and hated into oblivion Disney/the LSG can start letting authors write things to fill up that time period and fill out the backgrounds the movies won't give us.
Lucas Morales
We have the full thing explained between the Poe Dameron comic and Bloodline (which was a kino book by the warning color feminist Yea Forums likes to spam with all of the political stuff put together by Rian Johnson). There's even a new CIS, you actually have to bother reading stuff though.
Nathan Barnes
You guys can't seriously believe there's a chance she won't come back for a third one's the charm.
Leo Johnson
I sure would like to know how the fuck he gained power and where the fuck he came from but this trilogy is a goddamn mess that relies on spinoff material to function on a basic level.
Gabriel Scott
We need to tier list these "Age of Republic/Rebellion/Resistance" comics (split the "special" stories)
Ill start with Republic
S Tier:
Jar Jar and Rex
Ventress
A Tier:
Anakin
Obi-Wan
Grievous
B Tier:
Dooku
Qui-Gon
Darth Maul
C Tier
Mace Windu
Chase Reyes
>since JJ and Rian are/were the ones making up the story on their own
That seems to be the worst mistake the ST trilogy made, no one knows what the fuck to do with it because there was no plan for it.
So could you explain it?
Jace Roberts
I mean, Gwendoline fucking loves Phasma, plus they've expanded all this stuff on Phasma and shes actually a pretty decent character now
They gotta bring her back a 3rd time, even for shits and giggles
Fuck, have the "Sith Troopers" be clones of her, I dont care
Jaxson Clark
Rose Tico 1 of 1
Man I feel bad for that actress.
Colton Bailey
That actually sounds better than what we got.
Adrian Bennett
Disney's execs care more about the movies, so they're horribly neglecting the SW EU. What little lore we do have, was given off as an after thought by a focus group and then handed to someone like Cuck Wendig who can't write worth a damn. So that means:
>YA dystopia out the yazoo because Hunger Games sells.
>The Empire is EVIL, not in the Roman sense but the Deception sense, and they start destroying civilized space for no real reason after Sheeve kicked the bucket.
>Vague inferences to rival governments formed after the end of the Empire, but nothing else.
>Apparently all OT aliens got genocided by the Empire because Disney renting the franchise or something.
Not helped are the execs holding a negative view of fans and consumers, seeing them as the necessary evil.
Juan Reyes
For all of Kennedy's and Lucasfilm's shilling of being strong and empowering (while pretending Kreia, Mara Jade, Ahsoka, and the countless other well written females don't exist), they've been pretty disrespectful with Phasma.
Before TFA came out I thought she would have been like a next generation Mandalorian, or a hardened villain. But she's just used as a joke every single time. Wasted potential the character
Jackson Hill
Yeah the rebel hotshot alongside the former raised-as-a-soldier-since-being-kidnapped soldier of the FO could have been neat buuuuut thoose chararacters are so similar, you know? We needed someone to challenge Finn.
Sebastian Hughes
Yet we've seen nothing afterwards. Only that the old aliens were hit with a zombie plague and that spess republicans were a thing.
Josiah Gray
>lucasfilm
>pretending ahsoka doesnt exist
user, theres a reason
A. Why people are starting to hate her
B. Why TCW S7 will be shit
Chase Morales
We could have had a Finn and Poe misadventure
What the fuck Rian
David Bennett
The only aliens that were had a genocide were the Geonosians.
Lincoln Allen
Alphabet Squadron mentions a genocide or two.
Levi Rivera
If you're going to be lazy at least use the wook instead of begging for things to be spoonfed to you. It's all documented there starwars.fandom.com
Hudson Campbell
>>The Empire is EVIL, not in the Roman sense but the Deception sense, and they start destroying civilized space for no real reason after Sheeve kicked the bucket.
I can't decide whether Disney/Lucasfilm is just infiltrated by Rebelfags or if these retards really believe this was a good characterization.
People liked the idea of a morally dubious or even lawful evil bringing order to a chaotic galaxy, and that the Empire itself was formed in reaction to a corrupt and dying Republic.
Take all that away, add some retarded operation Cinder plot, flanderize Palpatine, and you get Disney Star Wars's Empire
Carter Edwards
No, you get the First Order. The Empire is exactly what you described. The First Order is the problem, the whole ST is the problem.
Jordan Bailey
Of?
Gavin Martinez
New planets like Nacronis and Dhen-Moh, which may have had human populations, but it leaves room for debate. Also other Cinder targets.
Austin Flores
>pic related
At least try to do your jobs.
>Can't summarize
>DAT SPOONFEEDING
>Lazily links to a wiki
The burden of proof lies on you, not I.
My guess is that the suits needed someone to reset canon so that the Mouse wouldn't have to deal with royalty payments to such and such when a Gungan appears, so they ordered the focus groups to find a way to get rid of them. Kennedy and friends then gave that commandant to a focus group, who came up with Operation Cinder, and then Cuck Wendig got commissioned through one of Disney's off branch companies. It's profit driven to the extreme.
William Lopez
>there were zombies therefore every race had a genocide
Jesus christ
>continues to be lazy
You're the one making wild claims, not me
Eli Morgan
>Nacronis and Dhen-Moh
Both were planets created for that book, nice try
Cooper Hill
>Evidence pops out
>"ERMAGRD MEANS NOTHING"
>Deflection
>Still no proof
Disney really pays you too much.
Nicholas Fisher
What evidence? That there were zombies? That's not proof, dumbass
Cameron Fisher
Look user, all these OT aliens in Canto Bight right before TLJ happens. This is as evidential for my claim as zombies is to yours.
Oliver Taylor
>seething
Look shills, your bosses are gradually eliminating them from the movies in favor of their 'NEW' aliens that all look the same, which plays into the royalty theory. To accomplish their elimination, the focus groups have found a few ways of writing them off, most notably the Zombies and Operation: Cinder. It's not Disney that's pissing us off, it's the corporate fuckishness where everything is driven by a 0.0001% profit increase.
Nathaniel Reyes
>caring about the movies that are released once a year against the hundreds of comics and books
HAHAHA fuck the movies, the sequel trilogy is all trash and the good films (Rogue One and Solo) basically flopped. You're missing out on the true heart of Star Wars and it's your own damn fault for giving a shit about the normie material
Carson Rodriguez
It doesn't actually take the entire funding of a galaxy wide government to build a Death Star. The only reason Death Star 1 took 20 years was because of sabotage. They built Death Star 2 in less than two years. Plus for Starkiller Base, they cut corners by just terraforming a planet and putting in a superlaser and a warp drive.
Jonathan Morales
That wasn't my point.
I went to the wiki and apparently the FO just raided planets and melted shit until they got enough money, but that doesn't seem like a good enough explanation as to how they managed to get so powerful while they were hiding in the outskirts of the galaxy.
Isaac Mitchell
The First Order wasn't powerful, the New Republic just didn't want to fight them so they left them alone for decades. So what if a few Outer Rim planets got shaken down for parts and credits? They didn't care about those planets before the Clone Wars and they didn't care then.
Adrian Lewis
>The First Order wasn't powerful
So a faction that had a planet-sized weapon that could take out multiple planets in a single attack isn't powerful, got it.
Juan Mitchell
Star Wars Adventures is legit kino
Elijah Rivera
Did you complain about all the comics and books that Boba Fett got after he not only died, but went out like a chump?
Leo Turner
>Rogue One basically flopped
>it made over 1 billion dollars
Oh shit, he's retarded.
Ethan Wood
>The Force Awakens: $2.068 billion
>Rogue One: $1.056 billion
It was a flop in the eyes of Disney, yes. The same way of Age of Ultron was a flop that allowed Feige to get Iger to move Marvel Studios away from Marvel Entertainment.
Alexander Torres
Boba Fett is the most overrated character in history of fiction, literally nothing more than a random henchmen with a slighty different armor color and 2 fucking short lines through the entire trilogy.
Chase Fisher
I still cant believe Kylo is being taught by a Sith Lord through Jedi methods more than Rey has ever received in this whole trilogy, yet still loses.
Caleb Sullivan
>Snoke
>Sith Lord
Pick 1
Daniel Collins
Pretty sure the FO is just a cover while the actual empire refined/grew with sheev.
Noah Hughes
I thought the NR didn't know about the FO until recently and even then thought of them more like space North Korea until Star Killer.
David Fisher
well this was shit.
Ryan Cook
He had a cool jet pack though.
Kayden Morgan
He didn't go out like a chump.
His dad on the other hand...
Adrian Parker
Phasma is starting to grow on me not as a Boba Fett but as a bumbling but ruthless secondary antagonist
Austin White
Christ you really are retarded. Literally zero (0) people on the planet expected Rogue One to do Episode VII levels of money.
You idiots don't know what the word flop means.
Blake Jones
>beat by a blind guy on accident
>not like a chump
Xavier Hernandez
Xavier Sanders
I want Phasma in the next film only to get killed almost immeditaly and then TR-8R comes outta nowhere and kicks finn's ass for five minutes then die to Poe crashing a X-wing into him.
Nathan Hall
Perhaps??
Lucas King
Being in sequels, Snoke's existence in the story carries a burden of necessary explanation that the Emperor's never did. Sure, for the plot of the sequels in and of themselves he needed little elaboration, but there's an expectation of understanding how the setting has developed that the films just gloss over out of laziness. What's more, what the sequels do tell us about the gap between VI and VII is more than a little contrived.
That said, Snoke is a shitty concept for a character and there's no explanation that would have ever been satisfying.
Jaxson Adams
It's a lot worse than that. Palpatine needed no backstory because he represented evil in all its forms (the Empire and the Dark Side), and was part of the very premise. Snoke comes out of nowhere to ruin the established happy ending. When you have a sequel like this, you need to explain why the hell things went wrong.
Chase Lewis
what's with her?
Kayden Clark
She hasn't rammed a ship in hyperspace yet
Joseph Parker
JJ's and Rian's refusal to properly explain the state of the galaxy post episode 6 is maddening.
How hard is it to establish:
>After Endor, the Rebel Alliance pushed the Empire out of the Outer Rim and established a truce with the Empire's newest Empress.
>In the decades that followed, the shaky peace that so many had fought for began to deteriorate, and the drums of war echo once again
>After the reckless expansionist interests of the New Republic provoke a conflict in the mid rim, many fear a new war could spread like wildfire across the galaxy
>Non garbage version of the sequel trilogy begins here
How fucking hard would that have been for JJ or Rian or both to just EXPLAIN the state of the galaxy their movies take place in
Jace Thomas
>The First Order wasn't powerful
The inexplicably have fleets of ships and soldiers on par with the Empire that came before them and built an exponentially more effective Death Star, they're powerful as shit and it's incredibly stupid.
Liam Campbell
It clashes with Disney's corporate vision which has to be:
a.) Extremely malleable so it's endlessly marketable.
b.) Has to tie in with modern day politics because that sells to their target demographic.
c.) They want another Marvel Studios so anything game changing is forbidden lest it get in the way of another movie.
It's all driven by the bottom line and profit dividends.
Carter Campbell
>Snoke's comic
>It's all about Kylo
he is such a nothing character
David Turner
I wish there more of this dynamic in TLJ. They both don't like each other but Snoke needs both of them. Why did Hux have to be such a disappointment?
Jason Stewart
You're absolutely making shit up. It was over Civil War's budget because Ike didn't want to pay RDJ money to get him in for it.
>After friction over the budget on 'Captain America: Civil War,' the studio's film guru threatened to leave Marvel until Disney CEO Bob Iger intervened with a new plan.
>In the end, and somewhat ironically, it was the upcoming Captain America: Civil War that helped catalyze a long-brewing civil war inside Marvel itself that ended with Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige breaking free from his longtime boss, Marvel Entertainment CEO Isaac "Ike" Perlmutter.
Source is Hollywood Reporter.
Kayden Thomas
>You're absolutely making shit up.
Age of Ultron was in theaters May 2015.
Civil War was being worked on during 2015.
Marvel Studios no longer being overseen by the Creative Committee was reported late August 2015.
Feige definitely pointed to Age of Ultron's underperformance to strengthen his argument against giving Ike and the Creative Committee control.
Nolan Baker
I fucking hate dumb arguments like yours that try to downplay how shit the writing for the villains were in the ST.
In the context of the OT, you didn't need to know much about Palpatine because the movies got right to the point about how powerful he is:
-You know that he orders around Tarkin and Vader, and you know that he has to be powerful because Tarkin and Vader are feared not only by the Rebellion but also by their own men.
-You know how powerful he is by the fact that he was about to kill Luke, and it is only through Vader sacrificing his own life that the Emperor is defeated.
Snoke:
-Is surrounded by shithouse villains that act like they belong in Spaceballs. Kylo Ren's temper tantrums make him look less effective than Vader, and so does Rey beating him twice over the course of two films.
-Somehow came to power while Luke, Leia, and Han were still around.
-Is easily killed by Kylo.
All that shit does is raise even more questions than the Emperor did in the OT.
Sebastian Cook
Some pens for 'Return to Vaders Castle" series this october
Noah Thompson
wow.
it's absolutely nothing and they destroyed another OT set piece that everyone remembered fondly.
remember everyone: all this is canon.
Jaxson Perry
Well, Kylo's got a reaction image for a face right there.
Brody Jackson
Hot damn, what an awful character design.
Easton Baker
The enemy is barely drawn, but already looks more interesting than nu-troopers
Carson Hughes
>Makes stupid speeches during the combat
>Threatens her own troops
>looses focus because she has to show off
Phasma is proving to be worse and worse with each issue
Adrian Adams
But Rey has her old, crusty Jedi books! Don't you know that all you need to be good at something is to read about it? I bet if I read a book on karate I'd be able to beat the top 10 martial artists in the world without breaking a sweat.
Henry Bell
While it's true that Snoke isn't a Sith, there doesn't seem to be any real difference between the Sith and whatever Snoke is.
Eli James
Well that's interesting. How come he didn't notice? I suppose Snoke wasn't really good at telling emotions apart.
And this is good too specially given the final outcome.
Logan Martinez
that's a fucking Injustice-tier face
Juan Robinson
You could have spiced up the dialogue instead, you fucking retard.
Dylan Sanders
Snoke still doesn't have a comic.
Luis Young
TLJ just feels like it was a collab between at least three writers that did not coordinate at all
>Luke/Rey/Kylo arc was done good
>the battle in space arc was wonky, with a few good ideas but some awful ones (Poe trolling Hux, Leia Poppins, the mutiny and Holdo being a cryptic cunt)
>oh my fucking god the Finn/Rose arc who greenlit this
And due to that we have characters that have different roles in their own movie, like Hux being a comic relief in the first scene, then shown as somebody that just may fuck over everybody and be the final boss; with nothing inbetween it's just jarring, even more than Anakin's sudden heelturn because that was at least telegraphed - it was too sudden, but you could somewhat see what lead him to this
Luis Gray
I'm not complaining that he has a comic. I'm complaining that it doesn't flesh him out at all and is arguably more about Kylo than about him.
Jonathan Wilson
Hey everybody, we’re finally getting more info about Snoke!
Wyatt Hill
KYLO BTFO
Michael White
Kino
Justin Moore
Well, Disney? We’re waiting.
Connor Harris
Caddyshack user, is that you?
William Gonzalez
This is a basic Jedi trick.
Ayden Kelly
Too little, too late.
Andrew Torres
>Snoke comic
>it isn't even about him
Brody Morales
Blame RLM fanboys who bitched to high heavens about MUH BORING POLITICS. Does Coruscant even exist in the new canon, I first thought they blew it up in TFA.
Owen Watson
Coruscant is still there, it's not the seat of power at the time because the New Republic has too much money and just changes its seat of power every once in a while
Easton Morris
this just further cements Snoke as a moron which begs the question of how he came to power in the first place
Connor Wood
also Taris of all planets was confirmed
man look at all the vital info, great thing the movie relayed that to us in an understandable manner and not through a fucking $20 artbook
David Thomas
pretty sure Taris was first re-canonized in the Tarkin novel
Anthony Nelson
yeah
yeah he would have
Grayson Morris
>No-nonsense stance exudes authority
I missed these stupid descriptions.
Mason Baker
member when the AOTC visual guide spoiled Sidious keeping a lightsaber up his sleeve
Xavier Williams
well that was meaningless and didn't help us understand anything
Evan Myers
cute cute
Joshua Thompson
the Sheev sleeve!
Anthony Phillips
I remember reading a theory that said Snoke was a super super old Sith who had been in stasis for like 1000 years, Luke woke him up after mistaking him for a Jedi master (due to dark side trickery); and he turned all of Luke's students against him. Now that would of course be a bit silly, but it would help explain why Luke ended up so depressed.
ah who am I kidding it's all bullshit anyway
Luis Miller
At the same time, look at these two pages: the only info we didn't get in the movies were the lightsaber and Bane namedrop
Now look at the two pages from TFA's and see that there are two things there that we DID get in the movie - that Resistance is separate from the Republic and that the woman that was the focus in the 10s shot of the Starkiller ray (we didn't even get her name lmao, unless you know the actress and read through the credits) was a Resistance member
Snoke will be a failed Sheev clone and you will like it dammit
Jackson White
you also forgot that "Snoke was corrupting Ben from the very start" implying he was reaching out through the force when Ben was just a child or even still inside Leia. Luke would have had to find him pretty much directly after ROTJ for that to work out.
Easton Cox
>Luke/Rey/Kylo arc was done good
Nah. Rey is still a hole where a character should be, and the entire backstory with Kylo and Snoke still doesn't make any sense.
Tyler Sanders
the visual guides always gave tons of names that weren't in the movies
Brayden Edwards
indeed, whereas Rey is a successful Sheev clone, which is why there's tons of reflections of her. A whole army of evil Reys!
And to defeat them, Mark Hamill will come back, as Luuke, Luke's clone, and he will have to team up with Bigger Luke cause there's so many of them!
Now that's writing.
Evan Perry
Now that I think about it, are clones' names adding a one letter or multiplying them by two? Since we have Luke->Luuke and Jorus->Joruus, it's important to know if her real name is Sheeev or Sheeeev
Aaron Brown
Nathan Hughes
Sheeeev was Snoke's name
Rey is a she, so she's a Shesheeeeev
Isaiah Hill
>A radar technician
And that sudden vacancy was filled by "Matt".
Lincoln Parker
It’s all bullshit I guarantee no one at LF gave a legitimate fuck about Snokes origin or any decent world building
Michael Carter
clearly, since the LSG gave that option to someone not in their own ranks, and continually give that freedom to the book and comic book authors. So much for them hawking canon like they were announced to do as their job.
William Foster
>Hey, remember that one alien you don't know the name of you see in the corner of the screen for four seconds on a planet you don't know the name of right before he, and the solar system he is currently on, is vaporized by the new superweapon ?
>He's the most politically important person in the good guy's side.
Ryan Reed
Tyler Collins
And that's the problem - Valorum shows up for 90s in TPM, but we get enough exposition to know who he is and his place in the story, even though he's just as expendable
see, this would be good if they did treat it like, for instance, Bethesda treats TES lore - that is, it's supposed to be purposefully misleading, contradictory etc. because there's no omnipotent, reliable, unbiased narrator (with the exception of what we see as the PC)
however, as seen here, this is not the case (how would they sell toys otherwise?) and instead the LF's story group, the supposedly fucking EDITORS-IN-CHIEF, have no call or clue what's happening
Charles Rodriguez
Jackson Evans
>everything is canon unless we decide it's not anymore
It's comforting to know there's no reason to get invested in the new canon.
Tyler Thomas
>remember everyone: all this is canon.
>Implying
Kayden Gray
Yes it is. This is the only version of the story you're ever going to get officially. This is what they say definitely happened as important backstory to their sequel movies.
Jordan Gutierrez
Not if they claim there's no truth in the Star Wars Universe.
Xavier Wright
His fingers look like frozen bratwursts.
Luke Mitchell
Well then nothing counts anyway and you just clap for the pretty colours on screen.
Carson Cox
>That scene makes no sense!
>Well.. you see, that scene, that scene specifically, was told by an unreliable narrator. What you didn't see that happened instead was whatever you can think of makes sense! After the scene, the unreliable narrator pops out again.
>HOORAY!
Thomas Lewis
>Powerless men turn to anger
What did they mean by this?
Jack Baker
impotent rage.
Aiden Williams
The French.
Aaron Sullivan
you lot didn't get what they're saying in at all
It's not 'unreliable narrators', 'metafiction' or whatever flavour of the year in storytelling is - they're saying there's no truth because nobody established it, because right now it's a free-for-all, with no place for assumptions - just because we assumed Vader learned about Luke in ESB doesn't mean it happened in this canon, all it takes is one person releasing otherwise
Brayden Powell
Kylo Ren's fucking face.
Asher Peterson
inspired by fanart.
Henry Wright
>This is what they say definitely happened as important backstory to their sequel movies
Again.
>Disney Wars
>Canon
Andrew Kelly
Good for you.
Blake Taylor
Oh I'd say everyone else understood what they meant.
Hunter Robinson
You can of course stick to the EU or just the Lucas movies, but to the handful of people who uncritically have an interest in the ST movies, this version of events is the one they'll have to accept as official and 100% true
This has been called into question twice already with the TFA novelization contradicting TLJ and the TLJ novelisation contradicting TLJ as well. And the comic adaptation contradicting TLJ. And the junior novel contradicting TLJ. The German audio drama for kids made from the dub's sound track also contradicts the movie by rearranging scenes and dialogue to have it make more sense and alters events through the use of a narrator.
There's not a single version of TLJ out there that matches up 1:1 to any other version of it.
Caleb Davis
I'm with the dude on the right though, the whole idea of rigorously treated 'canon' is stupid most of the time, even in the word's roots it's a set of stories that are treated as 'the binding chain of events' (as in, those Books are in Canon and those aren't, these Evangelies are trustworthy and those aren't)
DiDio's pic related quote is as rigorous as it should be imo, maybe with the exception of movies in this franchise's case
the blue checkmark on the bottom sounds like a postmodernist twat though
Nolan Garcia
The dude on the right used to be working for Disney and wrote three post-RotJ books (that all feature terrible prose, LGBT-and-not-much-beyond-it characters) and a handful of comics. His Vader annual contradicted established events from Rogue One and its prequel The Trigger (unless Jyn Erso's mother can duplicate herself), and this was his answer when it was brought to his attention.
History, by the way, does not include retcons. We haven't discovered timetravel that would make it possible. History is always cause and effect, unless we're talking about recorded history, in which case the deliberate obfuscation of or misinformation about events is called propaganda and it's discovery isn't a retcon either, but rather the establishment of truth.
Eli Nguyen
I love how this single panel pissed off a lot of people.
Jackson Carter
Ryan Cook
that Rian tweet can't be fucking real
Lucas Cox
Take a closer look.
Connor Moore
and so it isn't
Brandon White
>it's discovery isn't a retcon either, but rather the establishment of truth
You realize that's the exact excuse any retconning writer will spout; "oh, that thing about Superman being the only surviving Kryptonian? Yeah, totally a lie, my story including his cousin will reveal the shocking truth!"
though yeah in SW it was always a big deal to expand on the movies and not, in any case, contradict them, so his editors took money for sleeping on the job apparently (in he even had any)
something something broken clock twice a day
Liam Turner
It's not, it's a parody account, but real Rian isn't far off the truth.
Ryder Hill
>I'm with the dude on the right though, the whole idea of rigorously treated 'canon' is stupid most of the time,
It's a dumb comment because he wasn't writing a first-person interpretation story and was contradicting a movie that wasn't even told first-person.
Isaac Wood
The discovery of propaganda obfuscating real history is not a retcon. The propaganda wasn't a retcon either. Retcon means "retroactive continuity", it means it restructures the past to have always been so. The past is not actually restructured if propaganda is discovered and dealt with. The past still happened with what was then known as the truth. Retcons change the past and the present of a continuity.
John Wright
That's Legends
Thomas Hall
Fair enough, but a) it doesn't mean he's fully wrong in that point (history is full of contradictions, unexplainable decisions or just plain dumb luck), b) who knows what he means by 'retcon', c) he is right that it's fiction and doesn't have to conform to a scientific approach
(though I'll admit after given the backstory that it's more of a graceful double-downing on a fuckup that this sophistry does not explain)
Jesus Christ he sounds like a Yea Forums poster, missing only something like OH NONONONONONONO and/or a wojak
Parker Robinson
>history is full of contradictions, unexplainable decisions or just plain dumb luck
But still cause and effect. A retcon in fiction is the closest thing to an IRL temporal paradox or divine intervention. And we don't get those IRL. Worst we get is people in charge of writing history lying about events. But they don't change those events that way.
Blake White
A single, unified canon with all media on the same level was Disney's mission statement. Just like Lucas saying he didn't give a shit about his story and his movies -- considering the EU a separate world -- was something of his mission statement.
Disney might move away from this someday, but if they do it will be selective and not wholesale.
Angel Price
Canon matters insofar as continuity matters. Continuity only matters as much as any given story invokes it, of course.
Lincoln Perry
For that to work he's have to have lasted at least one other movie. Also he's another Emperor, why do we need another one in the same universe?
Joshua Rodriguez
>I'm with the dude on the right though, the whole idea of rigorously treated 'canon' is stupid most of the time,
Your argument only works with something that had loose continuity to begin with (ie DC having decades of comics and having early periods with fast and loose continuity). It doesn't work for something where there are only 8 films plus 2 spin-off films. you can really easily go back and watch them before writing as opposed to tracking down 100 back issues and going through those.
Justin Edwards
"All bets paid off."
HAHAHAHA
Christopher Hughes
If Snoke is just some random asshole then it means that anything the good guys will do is meaningless because anyone can just show up with a massive fleet and a superweapon.
Dylan Stewart
Snoke is a literal nothing character. He's the kind of villain you get when Suits launch a creative project with a "we'll figure it out along the way" mentality.
Connor Anderson
>but that doesn't explain where they got the money to build an even bigger death star.
Snoke stole the Philosophers Legacy.
Levi Brooks
That worked for palpatine because he existed on a blank slate, Snoke doesn't. We instantly buy into the Emperror because theres no reason for us not to, Snoke entered a rich universe with decades of interconnecting lore, and he has to meaningfully fit into that. Failing that, he stood out as huge, wierd question mark.
It also doesn't help that he's basically just a watered down palpatine in every sense of the word, and if you're going to introduce a near copy of an older, more beloved character you need EVEN MORE sensible background information to justify that.
Andrew Price
Thing is, both Snoke and Palps have roughly the same screentime of around 7 minutes each, yet the way these seven minutes are used are far different, while their role is not that different - they're both 'final boss' characters that manipulate the main antagonist into evil, the only difference is that Snoke gets merked in the second movie
It doesn't help that "evil Galactic Empire" is a far less enigmatic name than "sinister First Order"; even if that isn't enough, the movie tells us what the Empire is in one of its first lines:
>The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I've just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.
Meanwhile the FO feels like something that got lost in the adaptation of a book into a movie - all we know is that they're an imperial remnant, they have a Supreme Leader and a military (with a superweapon) - it just does not stand on its own
True, I was generally talking about fiction and not just this one example (plus I still remember EU since it was present for a longer part of my life than the new canon, kind of a muscle memory of a ton of better or worse books, comics and games)
Cameron Nelson
I can't stand the nuSW version of Imperial Remnant and New Republic
>a splinter group manages to go to Unknown regions. Ok.
>the NR, by disbanding 90% of it's navy/military, someway, somehow is still able to the dominant galactic regime, controlling basically 2/3 of the galaxy
>even by controlling less then 1/3 of the galaxy, the FO is able to build a planet wide super laser capable of shooting things light years apart. A technology that not even the Empire in it's heyday had
>they also had their own Executor type ship, even bigger, even if they had much less resources than the GE
>yet the same time, they have troubles with a private militia funded by a disgraced senator
>they perform a 9/11 by blowing up the not Coruscant yet the Republic doesn't go full Clone Wars mode of militarization, even if they had veterans of Clone Wars and the Rebellion around, that is something still existing in the living memory of the galactic populace
>said splinter group manages to control the galaxy so the "Resistance" is now the new Rebel Alliance
Next to that the whole Vong coming out of nowhere with the power of biowank and managing to overpower the NR is good writing.
Nathan Lee
>"All these things are a mystery. Perhaps they always will be"
Nolan Taylor
This was from Alter Ego #158, Roy Thomas said he asked how George Lucas how he was going to be able to keep all of the stuff together. As you can see here, Lucas said "What happens in the movies is gospel. Everything else is gossip." And I think that actually highlights what Disney fucked up about their Star Wars stuff.
The movies by JJ and Rian barely give you much information. The individual OT and even the PT (even as bad as it was) films still gave people enough info that they still felt self-contained and were in an expansive world, even when there were questions raised.
With the new films they're arguing that you need to get all the supplementary material.
Aaron Powell
>yet the Republic doesn't go full Clone Wars mode of militarization
the republic doesn't have the military to militarize. the NR senate/political scape was governed by 1) people that wanted the government to control the military and keep the peace [the side that had the power], and 2) the people that wanted their own planets to have their own militaries for self defense [a minority].
what was left of the NR navy you can see in orbit of hosnian prime when it gets obliterated. there is no NR, galaxy-wide military anymore. the resistance before Crait happens has a bigger military than over 75% of the planets in the galaxy combined at that time.
Christopher Reyes
Lucas didn't care about the EU beyond branding. I'm not saying he never ever considered it or developed off of it, but it was always apparent that it wasn't much more than a toybox he lended to creators.
Jaxson Scott
Yeah, it's why I didn't really care about the EU getting made noncanonical by Disney because I knew from watching the prequels he wasn't going to acknowledge everything from the books and comics and stuff.
What I cared more about what that the stuff Disney replaced the EU with is fucking awful.
Adrian Jackson
Snoke is Snake?
Ayden Brown
This lame writing. The pre Clone Wars republic also didn't had an army, even less a standing navy. Militarization is that, to turn your resources in building a military. If a splinter Empire group manages to blow up the capital and stars moving against you, you left spacd Moscow and start mass producing ships and conscript troops from behind the space Urals. And how a regime with a fleet in a single system manages to avoid full scale secession? How a fucking militia would be able to be stronger than a whole regime controlling thousands of worlds? The old republic managed to go by due planetary fleets and groups like the Trade Federation with private armies.
Nathan Murphy
you're seemingly ignoring the timeline going on here.
for 30 years the galaxy doesn't care about, want to think about, or bother thinking about the concept of another war happening so soon. there is no militarization happening.
then suddenly the FO shoots Hosnian Prime and swarms the galaxy within hours to the point where they lose their leader and severely cripple their main enemy (the Resistance). there is no time for anyone without a military or with a small one to even start up machines (that they don't have) to begin creating even a single fighter ship.
we just have to wait now for Journey to TROS stuff to come out to barer-than-barebones fill in the gap between TFATLJ and TROS and see how the galaxy fights back, if they do at all.
Jason Gutierrez
A splinter group wouldn't be able to perform a galactic wide invasion. It's a matter of economics and numbers. You seemingly suffers the same thing of the writers, no sense of scale. A galactic regime with near instant communications would be able to reorganize, or at least assess the situation really fast. Any survivor of the destruction of the capital system would simply make a jump to Coruscant or whatever and bring the news and the next day state of emergency would been declared by any remaining authority, war economy instituted and shipyards starting producing frigates or whatever. That or an implosion with systems going rogue like the Pentastar Alignment, Corporate Sector and whatever region local potentates would secure to themselves. And in any case 30 years is nothing in terms of politics for a galactic sized regime.
The thing is, to portray the FO as a credible threat and a "not GE", they had to ignore what a galactic sized government is so they could have the "Resistance" to act as the new Rebellion.
Brandon Ward
>simply make a jump to Coruscant or whatever
coruscant belongs to the Empire officially after the civil war ends and has no reason to accept NR refugees.
Jace Butler
>most important planet in the galaxy
>not part of the New Republic
>because reasons
Nu SW is retarded beyond any salvation.
James Stewart
NR couldn't justify invading Coruscant so they just let the Empire, in name, keep it once peace talks happened since the NR was already established on Chandrila.
Levi Cooper
Pretty sure by the time of the Bloodline novel it's an NR world.
Adrian Kelly
>4-LOM is a bounty hunter that's not a robot
What?
Jaxon Watson
The thing is we don’t know shit.
Everything between Aftermath and Bloodlines is empty.
Clearly the Imperial Remnants have planets they don’t 20 years later, nation states like New CIS exists but don’t in the future.
There was a time when the NR expanded into diplomatically incorporating other worlds. When the galaxy was in a state of relative peace but with less security, except from local fleets and NR interventions.
And nothing will be done about it until 9 is done and rotting.
Liam Rivera
Except old ones were funny, and new ones are pure cringe
Jeremiah Wright
>went out like a chump
Not in the pre-Disney expanded universe.
Nicholas Turner
>1.056 billion worldwide means Disney gets exactly 1.056 billion from Rogue One
This is how we know you're a shill
Carson Russell
Star Wars is lame and gay.
That is all.
Jace Perez
They're all cringe.
Gavin Wood
If only Phasma had done something like this in the movies.
James Powell
Grail City DLC map when