Has the east surpassed the west in animation?

Degenerates.

God I hate weebs so fucking much
This is pure cringe

that's got to be rotoscopic

That anime is romantic comedy

>At the renowned Shuchiin Academy, Miyuki Shirogane and Kaguya Shinomiya are the student body's top representatives. Ranked the top student in the nation and respected by peers and mentors alike, Miyuki serves as the student council president. Alongside him, the vice president Kaguya—eldest daughter of the wealthy Shinomiya family—excels in every field imaginable. They are the envy of the entire student body, regarded as the perfect couple.

>However, despite both having already developed feelings for the other, neither are willing to admit them. The first to confess loses, will be looked down upon, and will be considered the lesser. With their honor and pride at stake, Miyuki and Kaguya are both equally determined to be the one to emerge victorious on the battlefield of love!

The rotoscoping here looks weird. How did old Disney movies pull it off without making it look like this?

Who the fuck thinks of premises like this

lmao im sure all the budget and effort went to this and the rest of the show looks like some powerpoint shit

Awful asian drama tier premise

stay in your containment board with your cartoons, kiddo.
this is high brow adult board for KINO.

I'm too old for any anime girl that doesn't at least show panty.

>surpassed
It's got worse

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG LE QUIRKY ROTOSCOPE ANIME!!!! OOOOOOOOMGGGGG!!

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There is nothing wrong with that, Disney used the technique too.

daughterfu

lmao

*hits pipe*

awful moeblob character design.

That's why she's 2d, fag

Pretentious and forced animation

This

Why are grown men watching this?

For weebs it is because they are so pathetic they become pedophilic (assuming they werent already) because they know no cognitively developed female would ever desire them.
Chink are already pedophilic by nature so they don't really need a reason to make this shit, but even still it's manchild stuff for them.

>pretentious animation
how does that work?

Soul
Soulless

you shonen shits really are cancer

Not that user and I don't keep up with it anymore, but it's not that bad. Gonna spoil pic related in case that user still reads it though.

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You'd be surprised that a live action movie is currently showing in Japan right now.

everyone in the world wants to fuck a teenager. just see on western porn sites how popular the search term "teen" is.

the majority of anime characters are teenagers. younger characters than that are a minority because pedophiles are a minority.

Your move

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Rotoscoped shit.

PRIMARY LOTUS!!!!!!

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Why is falling from the sky so popular in anime? Even in weathering with you had this

Express what emotion this dialogue less scene gives

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i want to die

Golden Age Disney still easily tops its Renaissance-era
*blocks your path*

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>watching cartoons
anime causes mental illness and trannies

Considering the west barely makes animated films any more (computer shit doesn't count) I'm sad to say yes.

kek

It was used when they were learning the realistic movement of humans...and later on to save money. Tracing footage and then plonking a cartoon head on it lacks real animating skill.

It surpassed it in the late 90s/early 2000s, but then they shat the bad after 2010 and now they look just as awful as fake french animus like Totally Spies.

This

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lmao what is this shit

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It doesn't make sense in anime because it is not like their faces age like real people

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Chika a best. A BEST!

>1994

Classic Disney used it to learn realistic and also actor-specific movements to give their characters more "character". See the Alice in Wonderland footage the animators used. It's hard to imagine Alice or Wendy as anyone but
Kathryn Beaumont.
youtu.be/ROqlhMEWA70
Going with pure rotoscoping looks off when you're using really cartoony designs.

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Animation wise, yes but the childish themes of most animes destroy any effort to take anime seriously.

Cute

ya sizzle /pol/?

japs long game revenge for WW2 is to turn westerners into trannys

Nu-DBZ is bottom of the barrel anime. They could be drawing smearing shit with their fingers and then animate it using powerpoint and they would still get tons of money because it's DBZ.

anime is for neets who have gone insane

It's the continuation of Dragon Ball everyone asked for, of course!

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>cringy fanfiction of yesteryear becomes "canon"
Is Toriyama even working on this anymore

It's literally the original artists who are making Dragon Ball worse, and Toei, of course.

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why are the dragonballs along the border not lined up properly, this is is really upsetting

>They could be drawing smearing shit with their fingers and then animate it using powerpoint

Oh they did. Early DB Super looks like Flash. It probably is/was.

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because the artist knows best :)

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>Tracing footage and then plonking a cartoon head on it lacks real animating skill.
I dont agree.
>Going with pure rotoscoping looks off when you're using really cartoony designs.
I agree it can look shit but it doesnt have to and op looks good, they didnt just plop animation on top of an actress.

My post had nothing /pol/ in it, faglord weeb.

So, basically
>it's ok when Disney does it

no

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Toriyama is terrible now, time to come to grips with this

>forced animation
>25 years ago
Yikes

which one is the better one supposed to be

Disney didn't trace.

are you retarded?

because it beats watching blacks play gingers and trannies play women

>computer shit doesn't count
t. caveman
2D animation peaked decades ago. Innovations in computer animation only gets infinitely better.

90 minute video game cut scenes aren't animation though, regardless of the quality

If they are animated then they are.

Is there or is anyone working on an AI or algorithm to help hand drawn animation?

gross

only retarded gayfag weebs think their garbage anime looks better than old disney stuff.
youtube.com/watch?v=uQ0ODCMC6xs

Considering how shit anime cgi is? No.

this shit appeals only to gays though. animated jewish musicals are the worst

trannies, paedophiles and incels

See how bad the hat is animated with the head in 0:30-0:35.

It's rotoscoped. So it's animated over a filmed actress. And yet. Neither Bonbi nor any other tiktok has been able to match it.

What gives?

A long time ago, but most people in the West have no idea how to correctly judge animation. Almost everyone thinks that framerate equals quality. Does the animation look smooth? Then it must be great animation. No other factors are considered. You would be considered retarded if you judged anything else in this way, but it's ok for animation because nobody knows anything about it.

This isn't how "budget" works in anime and it is a myth that anime consists of "slideshows." But no matter how much this is explained to people, they are incapable of learning.

>What's the appeal of watching anime about little girls for a grown man?
Only a small minority of anime is about little girls.

>but this shit here completely puzzles me
Why? It's not about little girls, it's about high school students (male and female).

This is an American problem, not a Japanese one.

Why would it be for degenerates?

This wasn't made by or for weebs, so why are you bringing it up? And why does dancing suddenly become cringe when anime does it?

Disney movies used much simpler designs and drawings, which helps.

See above.

Moeblobs don't exist.

Why wouldn't they?

Weebs barely exist anymore and are completely irrelevant.

>Chink are already pedophilic by nature
This wasn't made in China.

Trannies are an American problem.

What is some anime for this feel?

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Rotoscoping is ok when Disney does it but magically becomes not ok when anime (very rarely) does it. Of course.

You've not been watching anime after 2010 then.

The childish themes of anime? Are you even listening to what you are saying? There is no animation industry on the planet that produces as many serious and non-children's works as anime does. American animation is downright infantilized.

NEETs are not a target audience.

Rotoscoping is tracing by definition.

What innovations? Incrementally better rendering?

Anime is the best animation in the world.

Trannies are an American problem. Anime has nothing to do with pedophilia and pedophilia is a far worse problem in America and Europe. Incels are a leftist bogeyman.

Yeah, I'd say so.

youtube.com/watch?v=3qFPLN4v8gc

If Disney just 100% traced their actors without putting any "original" animation in then they'd be shit too. There's a lot of effort behind making rotoscoped based animation look good. The animator needs to blend both styles together seamlessly.
Milt Kahl is probably the king of classic Disney character animation since he had a great ability to pick out the right motions. They didn't rotoscope everything the actors did.
youtu.be/LWwO-h7ZSlw
youtu.be/BlifsQvvadE

Say no to frame interpolation.

youtube.com/watch?v=k98pd21iCU8

This video shows the original footage side by side:
youtube.com/watch?v=Ll6gld9kCmA

this looks gay

late 80's early 90's was peak for Anime,
it has gone downhill in 99% of the cases.

Why?

Superman show in the 60s had rotoscope animation as well. Western and Eastern animation has declined in terms of quality. People enjoy moeshit "uh oh I grabbed her boobies XD" and Western animation is just "dude they're drawn bad on purpose"

Stolen from Tezuka

Japanime peaked almost instantly with original Gundam.
It's western anime that peaked in the 90s with batman the animated series.

It's been going downhill for a long time.

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A lot of Western animation is outsourced to asian countries retards.

Anime hadn't even matured in 1979, and production-wise Gundam was very far from the peak of cel animation.

These assessments are never performed honestly and with all the facts.

God i wish i was Chika

Quick, post animated kino, regardless if eastern or western

youtube.com/watch?v=8i93vXUKqnI

Anime has cute girls is very appealing.

Western animation has too many men, fatties and uggos.

This is just the Zoomer version of Hare Hare Yukai, except it's far worse.
youtube.com/watch?v=x2iKC0C32-g

Fuck I hate Zoomers.

What Disney did was not rotoscoping.

Then what did they do?

HELLO FROM Yea Forums

>another one of these threads

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>dumb american think smooth animation is good
It fucking is. Actually, you're doing that right now, because you're saying this shit you just posted is great, and judging from the fact that it's smooth, that's probably why you think so anyway.

>anime is not slideshow
It may not be a slideshow, but it's fucking slow and terrible. Walk cycles look like fucking cardboard cutouts. Even animation in stuff like Dexter's Lab and Adventure Time is better. Get some standards.

>weeb barely exist anymore dewd
Retard.

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It's not that smooth animation is bad, it's that it isn't the only thing that determines whether something has good animation and good production quality in general. And animation can be good even if it isn't smooth.

>you're saying this shit you just posted is great
I didn't post anything.

>It may not be a slideshow, but it's fucking slow and terrible.
It's the best animation in the world.

>Walk cycles look like fucking cardboard cutouts.
They can be made that way (but it still works), because anime is made in the real world where there isn't infinite time. American animation works the same way, it's just that people don't seem to realize it.

>Retard.
You mean you are.

I wasted a minute watching this and I didn't even see her panties. You sicken me.

Isn't this the chick from the Ricardo meme videos?

>hon
Nice meme, Alice

Gee user i dont know.
Why are you watching cartoons for children?

desu you're a retard too
didn't you notice how nobody replied to him, because it's obvious that he is a delusional attention whoring faggot

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A blend of tension and curiosity. There is a particular wonderment to it with a glaze of apprehension over being thrust into the unknown.

you know Chika's dance looks really stupid without music

The question was "Has the east surpassed the west in animation".

It's not that there's anything right or wrong about it, it's that if they're using the same technique then there's not much to compare/contrast. OP's example is terrible because, like you yourself pointed out, it doesn't do anything innovative

There are still homestuck cosplayers in 2019?

youtube.com/watch?v=pUvwleVGVmA
youtube.com/watch?v=FPWgRbBTBwA

>There are still homestuck cosplayers in 2019?
no
this is from her early career back in 2018

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women

This. Fuck East vs West threads.

Jesus fucking christ, you spaz. Just make multiple posts next time or learn how to condense your posts. Do you even have a grasp how much of a pain in the ass your post is to navigate? I can't even hover over "Post replies" without 24 goddamn lines of unrelated text taking up 4/5ths my fucking screen.

And learn how to stack your fucking references, for god's sake. Why are you saying "See above", just reference both posts within the same comment.

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American animation hasn't done much innovation, outside of technological advancements, after laying the groundwork in the early to mid 20th-century. And those technological advancements were eventually just rolled into full 3D animation.

I don't think you could have missed the point of my post harder.

Next time don't make so many posts that need to be commented on.

How did I miss it?

>Next time don't make so many posts that need to be commented on
None of those are me, you fantastic retard. Learn how to check for (You)'s.

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They're lonely and this is the closest contact they get to a female.

>i not post
Yeah, I thought you were OP.

>it's the best
Retard.

>Retard
Retard.

Yeah, I guess you're right. I'll stop replying to the guy.

A guy wrote this shit tho.

Left=forced animation.
Right=gif material back in the days when bandwidth was slow but thats it.

Anyway... Fixed.

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>How did I miss it?
The chain was specifically discussing rotoscoping.
Why do you suck so fucking much at posting?

I never said they are you, you fantastic retard.

>Retard.
How is it retarded to make factually correct statements?

How am I delusional? How am I attention-whoring? Again, if you didn't make these posts then I wouldn't have to reply to them.

You said:
>It's not that there's anything right or wrong about it, it's that if they're using the same technique then there's not much to compare/contrast. OP's example is terrible because, like you yourself pointed out, it doesn't do anything innovative

They do it on purpose, the easiest way to get attention is make a long post replying to a fuckton of posts. Best thing to do is just say "Lol TL;DR" and not give them the attention they crave.

>I never said they are you, you fantastic retard.
Then why the fuck are you tell me to not make so many posts?
Do you normally just scream into the void while talking to people?

And even if they were me, that doesn't change the fact that your spastic post style is complete garbage. God forbid you exercise focus when posting.

Japan is so cringe

>You said:
In reference to a chain about rotoscoping. Stop responding to posts if you aren't going to go through the effort of reading the context.
Follow the chain. This isn't difficult.

I don't think this one is doing it on purpose. Based on how defensive he's getting, I think he's genuinely that inept.

But both clips were made in Japan.

>Then why the fuck are you tell me to not make so many posts?
"You" as in "all of you" or "the people you are speaking on behalf of."

>And even if they were me, that doesn't change the fact that your spastic post style is complete garbage.
You are shifting blame. If you didn't keep making idiotic posts like "muh slideshows," I wouldn't have to respond to them.

Where's the cringe in that?

First you say that the question is "has the east surpassed the west in animation," then you say stuff that isn't limited to just talking about rotoscoping. What are you trying to pull here?

>he doesn't know

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I reply to many posts because there are many posts that need to be responded to. I do not make those posts, you make those posts. I never said or implied anything about attention, that is strictly your assumption that you have done nothing to justify.

>defensive
Also known as "stop questioning what I say, you aren't allowed to do that!"

Okay, I finally get it now.

You're a schizo.

No, I am not a schizo. I have said or implied nothing that would suggest any such thing. Why are you lying?

And why does it seem like every thread I participate in inevitably becomes about me, not the topic? Am I just that interesting?

>First you say that the question is "has the east surpassed the west in animation,"
The statement was specifically how rotoscoping relates to the main question.

Nothing about your post suggested that you were talking about rotoscoping and nothing but rotoscoping.

>the student body's top representatives
>this is supposed to be a big deal
Fuck is Japan comprised entirely of bootlickers? Who fucking cares about this shit?

Umm no sweetie. Check again.
youtu.be/tMr-rDNlQCY

See It was the first post in the chain.

ROTOSCOPING BAD

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It seems to me like you just got cold feet and now you want to pretend you were talking about something else.

The opposite, you're just that obnoxious.

>And why does it seem like every thread I participate in inevitably becomes about me, not the topic?
You are being given good advice on how to avoid making the thread about you. You should follow that advice.

I never tried to make the thread about me, accidentally or on purpose. You are the ones doing that. Why is that?

newfag wojakposter

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Jesus, bitch, you think that's enough makeup?

Yes, they are.

To be completely fair, she's trying to look like Roxy Lalonde.

It's making me wonder if it's possible for someone to be both autistic and schizophrenic.

>West vs. East thread
>content is always posted/in-favor of the east

you guys insecure or what?

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You cannot prove either of those claims, so why do you bother making them? Or do you just not think before you post?

Where do you think we are?

>char as pale skin, black lips and red eyes.
hur dur why do cosplayers so much makeup??
I

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east vs west threads are cancer and against >>>/global/rules/3 and >>>Yea Forumsrules/1
OP is a faggot.
Do your part to help purge this board of subhumans like him by reporting this thread.
Here's a link so you don't have to scroll up to the top of the page.
sys.4channel.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=109923510

A SU thread died for THIS?

Nice

But a mod moved this here?

Haha, no way.
Got a link to the original thread?

...

This board really is /trash/ lite.

That's fucking hilarious.

Get fuckin' rekt

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They are both pretty good
What's the issue????

get a load of this fucking sperg

>asking what the issue is
>fucking sperg
Damn, you're right. I wonder if he's on the run from a mental institution.

???
I meant the multi replying autist you homo

Man I fucking hate that thing with the static character moving over a simple animated background. It annoys me like no other. You'd never see that kind of shit in 90s and earlier.

Ah, so what you're saying is that you're an NPC and one of your routines was automatically triggered in response to seeing too many replies in one post. And you were also too scared to address me directly.

That's a common technique that was first used in (at least in television) in Astro Boy in 1963.

There will NEVER be an anime with animation as good as this.
youtu.be/KK541L5x_IY

Pedos, no other reason

Anime is the best animation in the world.

Anime has nothing to do with pedophilia. You are a pedophile and you are projecting.

Backseat jannies BTFO

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Jesus that's depressing. I love it.

Anime is for degenerates.

No, Western media is. This is projection.

The average anime contains the biggest animation shortcuts ever. Their goal is to not make it look good but to put in as minimal effort as possible.

Intros often have higher quality animation because they reused and thus have a greater return on the investment.

All animation has to cut corners somewhere, anime is just the best at it.

>Their goal is to not make it look good but to put in as minimal effort as possible.
Projection. This is American animation you're talking about here. The anime industry makes gargantuan efforts. There are so many details and high effort scenes in anime that could have easily been left out without anyone noticing, but they put them there anyway.

This is the appropriate answer

Shut up tranny zipperhead.

That's lupin movie budget
Versus made for tv/special budget
Try harder

>anime is just the best at it.
Yeah, that's not a good thing. Do you also think Rocky and Bullwinkle is the Pinnacle of Western animation and what all great animators should strive for?

Ha!
No.

>forced animation
What on earth is this retardation?

Imagine this faggot's incomprehensible assault of random, discoordinated mentions showing up everytime you check out the replies because he was born with his father's cock up his ass and wanted to be better than that.

Oh wait. No need to imagine that. Just experience it.

The anime industry has high quality animation because they have hundreds of animators working 90 hour weeks for peanuts drawing thousands of girls who look basically the same

That's right, be afraid, let the fear of the /pol/ boogeyman drive you insane.

Can we just throw threads like this into a furnace. They're never productive it just becomes an attempt to devalue the work of two entire countries to put one up on a pedestal. There are good anime and there are bad anime. There are good cartoons and there are bad cartoons. Stop trying to get people into saying one is definitively better than the other.
Because it's a fun show that turns romance into an over the top chess game.

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>east vs west thread

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Fuma was made on a OVA budget and got shoved in as a feature to help fund Little Nemo, it's not Mamo, Cagliosto or Nostradamus.

God you're pathetic.

Using more frames then whats necessary.

>forced animation
I don't get this argument

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It seems to have devolves more into berating the OP for his terrible posting style.

>Weebs barely exist anymore and are completely irrelevant.
Well gee for a non-weeb you sure act as one

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Characters move to simply accomplish what they need to do rather in a way that looks visually good.

>He asks this on a board where the majority of animated shows coming out have kids/teens as the main cast.
Steven Universe is no different from Land of the Lustrous
Gravity Falls is no different from Natsume Yuujinchou
Star Vs. is no different from Haiyore! Nyaruko-San
Over the Garden Wall is no different from Flip Flappers
O.K. KO! is no different from My Hero Academia

It's all the same shit, just animated in different styles/seasonal formats. You're not any better off if you watch Infinity Train or Owl House instead of some shit like Yuru Camp or SoraYori, at the end of the day you're still spending your time watching cartoons.

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because its cute and funny

>Full animated dialogue on the left
>literal two frames on the right
I can cherrypick too you know

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Keep your trap shut if you have nothing to say.

Left=Badly timed.
Right=meant to be used in eaily 2000s gifs.

You cannot provide any evidence showing that I'm a tranny or Asian.

It is a good thing, because the better you are at it the better the results get. This is like saying it's bad if game developers know how to make the most of limited hardware.

Imagine not having any arguments against anything I said and instead seething like crazy.

The US animation industry outsources to Korea and other cheaper Asian countries, so it's not as if they're employing highly expensive American animators. When you say anime characters look the same you mean their faces look the same, in other words you actually think animators just draw disembodied faces all day long.

No, your inability to argue against anything I said does not make me pathetic.

I am not OP and never said or implied that I am.

I have not acted like a weeb and you can't prove that I have.

Anime and American animation are profoundly, substantially different from each other.

Shut your ass up. It involves skill when you rotoscope and still use a specific frame spacing instead of copying every picture

t. tranny gook

Prove either of those claims, then. Go on.

Fuck off Famicom, don't reply to me

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This way you could call anything with more than 12 fps "forced".

Gif related

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I'm not famicom. I have not spoken like famicom or spoken about the same topics as famicom. You are either very stupid or just trying to derail the thread even further with a spurious accusation.

based mass replying autist

Based NPC.

>another fucking East vs West thread.
Fuck's sake, piss off back to Yea Forums

Full animation can have good timing.

>It is a good thing, because the better you are at it the better the results get
Just because you're good at making shortcuts doesn't mean your work looks better than someone who doesn't take shortcuts.

>weebs don't exist and neither does Yea Forumsutism poster is back
>people are replying to it

But American animation does take shortcuts. If you think it doesn't, ask why American TV shows don't look like peak Disney.

>Yea Forums can't argue worth shit
>continuously makes posts like this instead

>what part of glorious NIPPON do you not understand

If the mods wanted on Yea Forums, they wouldn't have moved it here.

There are more homestuck cosplayers than all other cosplayers.

>clearly end-credits animation meant to look flashy
>clearly rotoscoped
>same fucking design and style as every other anime
Use a better example for your bait next time.

The first two are true, the third is not. And how is it even relevant?

It's been a week, better post the same image and question again for some easy (you)s

I wish you were too. That way, you wouldn't be real.

This is the true root of the issue. Inceldom around the world is something that people should honestly and genuinely be concerned about.
This reads like a joke post kind of but it isn't intended to be one.

Holy shit that was cool!

But Disney did go to it's peek in TV animation.
Pic related.

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Pic related.

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WHO IS THIS CUTIE!

Animation aside, in terms of board culture Yea Forumsmmunists aren't people.
These threads appear here because you allow them. You confront them with the same robotic arguments and same automaton-like psudeo intellectual, mostly vapid discussions day after day. They don't appear on Yea Forums because they're not allowed by it's users. It's as simple as that.

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>But American animation does take shortcut
Yeah, but not to the extent that anime does. Characters just stay in the same position for extended periods of time in Western animation.

It's from Yea Forums you fucking retards

I never said it was from Yea Forums, you chud.
I only said they moved it here instead of there.

>And animation can be good even if it isn't smooth.
Anything less than 2 drawings per frame looks like shit. Animators discovered this back in the 30s and it's still the standard in the west today.

*Meant to say one drawing per 2 frames.

Fucking Famicom always ruining these threads.

lol janny deleted them all

Post-48 Looney Tunes and 1957-1963 Hanna Barbera say hi.

Too few people know about Famicom and fall for his bait everytime.

I said it was still the standard today, not the standard during the dark age of animation.

It's like the N64 vs PlayStation 1 era. Both have masterpieces but the N64 has much less games and said games have more soul and a better re-play factor while the PlayStation has a billion of shovelware games and abuses it's capacity for more data (CD-ROM) to shove ugly cgis a lot and has to work around the load time by stretching maps, while the N64 with less cartridge space and better graphics had to use the limited resources more in more creative ways and was better polished
That said, both videogames have amazing classics that still figures in any goat lists. I feel that anime is the ps1 in this comparisons

>Pretending one side of the globe's animation is better than another's
>When they steal from one another all the time and are practically the same shit.

They're all cartoons at the end of the day, you have no moral high ground if your show is from America, Japan, Europe, Canada, or wherever else. Just sit back and watch them without getting some sense of superiority in your head

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This analogy is all kinds of confused. American animation has better graphics? American animation makes more creative use of limited resources? Have you ever even seen anime?

If, by that, you mean the East has gotten really really good at rotoscoping and auto-tweening, then yeah, totally

Rotoscoping is seldom used in animee, and I've never heard of auto-tweening used.

Look everybody! TMS Fag is ban evading!

Practically the same? They are massively different from each other and produced by massively different industries. American animation steals/"steals" a lot from anime but the reverse hardly ever happens. And no, anime is not cartoons.

Who is he?

He's always been ban evading. He got permabanned years ago.

Earth will freeze over long before I even begin to think Japan is on par with America and Europe.

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Rotoscoping is CLEARLY being used in the OP, and auto tweening is used a lot in lower budget anime because it's cheaper than getting actual humans to do it.

They're also getting really good at more subtle uses of CGI compositing.

Japan has, in the last few years, gotten really good at "cheating" out really good looking animation on a budget. It's kinda great, even if it doesn't really look amazing yet

Massive autist, reports people who disagree with him and spams any thread about animation about how superior his nippon TMS studio masters are at animation than anyone else. He's done lots of bullshit like pretending to be a WB executive who was posting on Yea Forums to say that various shows from the 90s are getting rebooted. Pretends he knows a lot about animation and industry secrets but it's just nonsense his schizophrenic mind came up with while drooling.

>Using still frames as an example of bad animation

Hur dur

I remember the Warner Archive stuff, those posts don't match his style.

Famicom is a guy who was infamous on Toonzone long ago for his obsession with TMS, hence the nickname TMS Fag. He's was banned from there, but hangs out on Yea Forums nowadays proudly spamming any related thread with how TMS is the greatest animation studio ever, how John K is ruining the new Looney Tunes despite having no involvement in it, and frequently pretends to be an industry insider with lengthy AMAs.

He always pretends he isn't Famicom but Famicom aka TMSshill replies to a buttload of posts at once. "NO THAT WASN'T HIM THAT WAS SOMEONE ELSE! I'M NOT FAMICOM HE ISN'T HERE!"

youtube.com/watch?v=QsBT5EQt348

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It's no use, Famicom. You said the same exact things in those threads.

Tribalism about fucking cartoons is just fucking pathetic, watch what you want to watch, it's a better use of your time than trying to act superior about the media you consume on a mongolian sandcastle building image board. It's always the same shit too, someone comes with a shit argument and then soemone comes in with a shit argument from the other side so both sides just keep yelling at each other going absolutely fucking nowhere, what the fuck am i even doing here anymore, I HATE THIS FUCKING HELLHOLE WHY DO I KEEP COMMING BACK AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Frames are part of it, but you need more than just that as you can see from OP.

He spazzed out about TMS in the first thread and the mods started deleting them after the first one. He was absolutely Famicom.

WIPED AGAIN! fuck off Famicom nobody wants you here

Good animation ≠ good story or content. If all you care about is the visuals without any substance its almost no different than people who buy the latest game simply because its got "Amazing" graphics and don't stop to analyze if the gameplay is even any good.

>mfw I was typing out a big reply to one of his posts that replied to me but it got deleted just as I was about to hit submit

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The worst part is brainlets will pretend otherwise.
There is literally nothing wrong with rotoscoping

test

No 2000s was still good

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That's rotoscoped you faggot.

>deleted

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The problem is that it's easier to find eastern animation that is willing to tell a more mature and nuanced story than it is to find an example of the same in western animation.

Yeah yeah blah blah blah Anyone who mass replies doesn't deserve to live

But this is a thread about animation, not story.

Spawn, Venture Bros and various other smalltime shows from the MTV days are the closest we got to any sort of Anime level animation and writing, it is a shame we're so desperate for quality content that people's minds break and create 30 threads a day about childrens cartoons.

Frankly, I feel it's all a matter of taste. This kind of applies for... Well, just about everything. Everyone has a lot of variables when it comes down to what they like. That's just my thought on the subject.

Why did this piss off Yea Forums so much?

Everything pisses off at least one person. Remember that.

Because Yea Forums are cucks who don't understand animation.

See Billy and Mandy.

Why the hell are you here? If you hate the content of the board so much WHY would you even come here? Also mass replying is just a fucking retarted eyesore, this website thrives on smaller discussions so repliyng to 20 people at the same time just makes the thread move slower instead of allowing it to go by naturally, but the fact that you actually used NPC as an argument is just hilarious to me.

Depends what are you looking for exactly?

>Not both

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Wasn't this produced by KFC Japan and was animated by a actual Japanese studio?

So, wait, is OP's clip rotoscoped? Is there reference footage available? I'm not even making an argument one way or the other because rotoscoping is just a tool that can be used well or used poorly. I'm just curious at this point.

>Thread is going to shit.
Well I mean. Easten Animation is more bold and usually more expressive however, Western Animation has alot more history to it. Being the first to animate something in 1908 while Japan has it's first in 1917. Both of the mediums take inspiration from each other all the time. So what's the point in arguing which is the best when both take the best from each other all the time?

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Did KFC actually make this?
This is almost as kino as when they payed WWE to do an exhibition match at SummerSlam

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They don't appear on Yea Forums because is the only board mods keep babysitting

Big new Yea Forums show releases of the summer
>A girl gets transported to a frog world and hangs out with her new friends while training to become a true hero
>A girl is stuck on a really long train and must find her way off it with the help of a robot and a corgi
>A girl goes to an imaginary world to escape the pains of being a teenager and growing up
>Scooby Doo with guest stars: 2019 edition

Big new anime releases of the summer
>A child seeks revenge against the viking that killed his father in battle
>A teenage genius brings modern technology to a stone-age era world while trying to find out what caused humanity to become petrified for several thousand years
>A group of students try to make their way home after getting lost in space while also trying to discover why they got lost in the first place
>A new recruit joins a fire fighting squad dedicated to fighting fire monsters
>A girl decides to join a gym in order to lose weight and hangs out with her new friends
>15 years after a gate to a fantasy world opens up joining it to our world, a hardboiled detective must team up with an elf knight to find out what's causing trouble for both worlds
>Symphogear: 2019 edition

Dang I wonder why people tend to flock to anime more than cartoons

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Yes, just like this gem
They've been going super hard on the marketing.

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That's rotoscoped, and even worse, it's just an anime girl doing a dumb dance

Kek, even the most braindead aspie from Yea Forums knows more about animation than the majority of Yea Forums.

This entire board's knowledge base is children's cartoons, nostalgia, and gossip.

And what does this have to do with the quality of the animation?

>the board that complains about "forced" and "pretentious" animation knows what they are talking about
Have a (You)

Then why do they never complain about anime having low-quality animation?

>Yea Forumsutist bait thread is literally too cancer for Yea Forums
>get's sent too Yea Forums
>on Yea Forums this would have already been removed.

East/West crossover threads have always been de facto Yea Forums.

But this is an east vs west shiposting thread, nothing to do with crossovers

They do all the time. They call them QUALITY threads.

>animation
Rotoscoping is cheating.

Are you trying to convince someone anime is bad or are you just blind enough to think that looks good?

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Eroticism. The groomer, shown by the masked entity, preps the young child for her journey into a new world of depravity.

You realize CG animation is still animation right?

Can't speak for others who use that kind of moronic terminology, but I first saw that kind of argumentation here on Yea Forums way back in an America v Europe thread.

>All these arguments about East vs West when most of Western animation isn't even done in the West for the last 30 years

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The ones where they complain about smears?

It did that a long time ago.

That Japan is putting out shows with really solid animation in a greater quantity than the west can produce?

sakugabooru.com/post?tags=Vinland_Daga
sakugabooru.com/post?tags=Dr._Stone
sakugabooru.com/post?tags=Fire_Force
sakugabooru.com/post?tags=DumbbellNnan_Kilo_Moteru
sakugabooru.com/post?tags=Cop_Craft
sakugabooru.com/post?tags=Senki_Zesshou_Symphogear_XV

Kanata no Astra admittedly has pretty boring animation, I just added it to the list because I'm a sucker for the "lost in space" trope

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I'm gonna admit, I kinda like that east vs west threads give me a chance to post cool webms, I'm going to make some webms of Love, Death, and Robots good CG when I get home so hopefully this thread doesn't bump limit too quickly

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>didn't mention Adult Swim at all.
Okay then.

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They'll literally complain about everything. Saying they don't complain about any topic is disingenious as they'll actively make any excuse to shit on any anime. And will make bad faith arguments if they don't like something enough.

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Genuinely curious. What is airing on adult swim right now that can be described as mature and/or nuanced?

...

"They" is pretty much everyone. Everyone complains about everything.

No idea wtf just happened to that post

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True

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I'm phoneposting honestly so I don't have a lot of shit on here

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>He says this of a country so dedicated to work ethic they routinely work themselves to death.
>Top representatives Japan's most renowned, most prestigious school (which given Japan's habit of tooting its own horn in anime means it's probably one of the world's best schools in-setting)
Yeah, given how Japan works I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's a big deal.

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Is there enough kfc things to make a kfc board list?

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Give me an anime scene thats better animated than this
youtu.be/fsxCIkN7Zy8

i really wish that these types of threads didnt just devolve into people picking at each other instead of actually talking animation

honestly, the west has a problem with animation.
very few studios are treating it as something worth investing time, effort, and money into. more focus is being put into making lifelike CGI for movies, which while its still animation and progressing tech, its stifling practically every other form.
the few things that do get produced and aired on TV and theatres are so... bland in comparison to stuff you can find from japan. the west is beat out in quantity, variety, and it sucks saying it but also creativity and quality as well.
you can always cherrypick and find bad frames and sequences from both, but overall, japan shows they still have a LOVE of the craft and they know how to work in it. the west still has a few gems with Dave Baxter and Genndy with some very good newcomers as well, but theres no support for them.
instead support goes to garbage like OK KO which just fucking spits in the face of so many animation and even art fundamentals its existence is infuriating to me

and this may just be a personal taste, but a trend in western animation thats really been bugging me is that everything feels smoothed out. japanese animation has these visceral spikes in the motions and action but a lot of western stuff, even in combat, feels like its motion tweened and smoothed.
like, it even goes down to how episodes/movies are animated as a whole.
japan has those "sakuga" scenes where they blow a lot of budget, making a really memorable sequence that people talk about. unfortunately theres a lot of scenery or still shots, yet they still use those to set moods and provide breathers
the west spreads effort and budget across it as evenly as possible. still get some minor spikes in quality where a little more resources were devoted but it never hits the same peaks as japanese stuff reaches.
its serviceable but not as engaging or memorable

big oof

>devolve
It was bait at the start

>East vs west threads

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They'd called it "forced animation" and continue to fapping to moe cutouts.

Wasn't left done by a Korean studio?

T.weeb

all done in China.

At least give me something hard to surpass.

Thank Christ. Now we just need to spam these threads and we might actually be rid of 'Can Steven Redeem My Arse?' threads every two hours.

The west is an monopoly and the east is anarchy.

The problem with the east is how imbalanced their shows can be in terms of quality. The west is obsessed with the consistency of quality, making every frame and scene have the amount of work put into them. Another problem is that American shows and creators generally don’t like their shows being way too over the top, making a lot their scenes grounded in reality. It’s not the west is incapable of sakuga, but no one there is considering it as fitting for their animated projects.

>/ck/
>Yea Forums
>Yea Forums
>Yea Forums
>Yea Forums
>Yea Forums
>Yea Forums
>/jp/
>Yea Forums
>Yea Forums
>/aco/
Definitely enough for a board chart

ive never seen someone use the term "forced animation" or "overanimated" on anything but anime. western stuff simply isnt animated enough anyways for those terms to get flung at it.

Thief and the Cobbler is some good shit and is a tragic showcase of what those in charge think of animation here.
if anything, Thief and the Cobbler as a whole could be considered "sakuga" just through the sheer amount of work and love put into it

sad but true
everything flying under the banner of the mouse and profit is killing creativity here as a whole. doesnt help that people are satisfied and paying for recycled story beats and flashiness instead of shit that makes you actually think and feel.

and its not like the west has bad ideas. the premise for a lot of current shows are great. some are even lucky to start with that great premise before it gets homogenized into bland unoffensiveness. west just lacks the means to properly write and execute because they seem to be afraid to try. either it takes too much effort or its risky in some way.
and no. lesbians and lgbt stuff isnt risky despite what they say. its becoming the norm in the entertainment industry and all it does is ruffle everyone elses feathers

>Yea Forums
Excuse me?

This is real, it's a romance novel

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No cheats, only tools

It's almost like animation is outsourced. Japan does it too

One of the things that I have noticed, and I suspect that this is largely a result of better direction in general, is that Japanese cartoons do stuff with legacy that I can't think of anything from the west that comes close to.

As much as Yea Forums gets all kinds of hype over anything that it considers 'lore' in a cartoon, this rarely escalates beyond the level of *actually having a plot*, which is a pleasant surprise because we are starved for good western content.

But western cartoons don't have anything like, for example, the Variable Gravity Well scene from Diebuster. Diebuster was in many ways a rehash of the show it was a sequel to (Gunbuster) but it did really good work with its callbacks.
In Gunbuster, mankind is at war with mind-bogglingly dangerous space monsters. Like, the sort of enemy force that would seem pretty extreme even in cape comics.
In the sequel series, 12,000 years have passed and humanity is still apparently fighting swarms of space monsters, but there has been a major redesign of the unites and enemies since then. This builds up to a scene in Diebuster where the protagonists are racing against time to unearth an ancient superweapon that they are going to use to turn the tides of the war... and what they dig out and wake up is a space monster. As in, one of the ones from the original show.
Its hard to describe the level of dread and 'oh FUCK' that comes from watching these poor unfortunate idiots staring gormlessly at this enemy, trying to puzzle out what it is, while you as the audience know EXACTLY what it is and how much danger they are in. A reaction that is 100% justified considering that it pretty much immediately kills half of them.

I don't think western animation really does anything like that. Every work has to be episodic because everything is still designed to be aired on TV in random order so meaningful callbacks have to be rare and explained in detail whenever they do happen.

It's like East vs West is a stupid premise to begin with.

DISNEY ONLY STRAIT UP ROTOSCOPED WITH SNOW WHITE.
EVERYTHING ELSE WAS REFERENCE FOOTAGE TO HELP THE ANIMATORS WITH SUBTLE MOVEMENTS AND CHARACTER ACTING.
THIS IS EVEN USED BY CGI ANIMATORS TO THIS DAY.

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No, fuck off weeb

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Hamtaro actually was Japanese.

Except that was an outro that was literally only used once. It was just for episode 3.

ok
youtu.be/-KGQ4PfQdTc

The east has Akira so yeah, it has surpassed the west at some point.

>he says from a weeb western game

No, Japan.

>west just lacks the means to properly write and execute
That’s not true. Venture Bros exist with some of the best writing and animation around but they don’t want sakuga scenes because it can ruin the tone of their setting. Sure, sakuga can look cool be it’s very situational. I think the typical western content creator with a more serious show will only do a ‘blue submarine No. 6’ of over-the-top animation. I actually find it almost impossible to consider a single western creator who wants some ridiculous action scenes we see from ‘Boku no Hero’ or ‘Redline’ because rarely anyone of them is in the middle between a grounded world or a more cutesy and exaggerated setting. Even final space is way too grounded for sakuga scenes despite its comedy and cutesy art style.

I mean, to be fair for such a big event in the story, the anime really dropped the ball when it came to the latter portions of the Pain Arc. Even by NaruAnime's standards.

The fluidity of this animation is really good, but its also very slow moving so really all it takes to maintain that fluidity is drawing enough frames. The backgrounds are high detail, but largely unchanging and tend to pan rather than change perspective in a way that would require redrawing. There isn't a lot that is actually in motion here.

Its very good for the kind of animation that it is, but I personally find it much less impressive than, say, this.

youtube.com/watch?v=km2OPUctni4

doesnt make it good

Mob Psycho 100 is probably one of the best cartoons I've ever watched. I liked it at least better than anything I've watched from DC

>ive never seen someone use the term "forced animation" or "overanimated" on anything but anime.
it's retarded meme from Yea Forums

>another east vs west thread

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>soul vs soulless

>why are grown men watching things other than mindless action and sex
>ignoring romantic comedy movies as well as tv shows of the same genre

Hey, I don't know
Why are you arguing about fiction in general?

its the curse of the status quo and producers cancelling shit all the time
can't try and do a long story arc or build up history unless we're guaranteed a long enough run time. even then, we gotta keep the episodic format of "one new thing to deal with per episode" while slowly inching the actual plot along in the background

true true
completely overblown sakuga stuff wouldnt be fitting for a lot of the settings. it was a bad way to explain what i feel western shows lack. its not so much the flashiness and blowing the animation budget through the roof, so much as the emotional highs. the buildup to the climax and the climax itself.
action shows have that rush of pure adrenaline as the animators wrists explode from all the insane stuff they animate. but at the same time, theres things like Your Name, A Silent Voice, and Ghibli movies. its not some big animated fight but theres still something there that makes you feel.
western stuff fails at good climaxes and even building up to them a lot of time.
when things reach the big climax in western shows, whether it be action or emotional climax, it feels stunted. shallow. again, like they're afraid to really take that risk. good example i can think of is Gravity Falls. while the action and tension build up isnt perfect, its a pretty good high in comparison to other shows. but then when the big payoff and sacrifice have to be made, they chicken out. they're afraid to make that one last step and really emotionally destroy you. its still memorable, but not as much as it could have been if they had the balls to take that plunge.

and i dont mean that stuff that isnt high impact is bad. a lot of French animation, like the Illusionist, is incredibly subdued and grounded but its still good.
its good at what it wanted to do.
meanwhile murrican animation just... isnt.

A better question is why in the fuck is he even on this board?

>spent most of budget on the ending credits instead of the actual show where it's just a PowerPoint slide show tier
>example is just tracing
>disrespecting Yea Forums rules

Wow. Convinced

>its not so much the flashiness and blowing the animation budget through the roof, so much as the emotional highs. the buildup to the climax and the climax itself.
Oh, you’re talking about that. Americans can do that kind of stuff but because animation and live action stuff is a pain to reach control over, it’s only available in comics. I have very fucked up ideas for animated shows but it’s basically impossible to pitch them unless I pull an Olan Rogers. Oh, and speaking of him, I think he is one of the few guys who excel at that kind of execution, even when it’s undone, there is a sacrifice being made by the characters or a progression (with Gary adopting Little Cato). However, shows don’t ever end up as Final Space because it is unlikely for anyone like him to get hired or the show’s entire purpose is to keep continuing till the ratings fall.

>autistic toddler dance with emotionless stare
>soul

Yes. youtube.com/watch?v=AQx_KMoCgJU

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I fucking miss old Toriyama

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Based and tortured-pilled.

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Part 5's second half wasn't that great though

>instead support goes to garbage like OK KO which just fucking spits in the face of so many animation and even art fundamentals its existence is infuriating to me
lel stay mad

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>if anything, Thief and the Cobbler as a whole could be considered "sakuga" just through the sheer amount of work and love put into it
Sakuga literally just means animation.

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so when people say sakuga animation and such its just animation animation.
huh. today i learned.
is there a better term for it?

oh i will.
taking animation courses and having "STAY ON MODEL" be such an important part of what i learned, i will be forever mad at OK KO, Ian, and his dumbass philosophy

good animation, good sakuga?

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>not deleting this shitty thread
Mods are useless.

If rotoscoping is good enough for Ralph Bakshi it's good enough for my sorry ass

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>You'd never see that kind of shit in 90s and earlier.
We did. We just forgot about it.

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Should have deleted the whole thread

>ruining thread
>east vs west thread
are you stupid, this is bottom of the barrel, he's in his element

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>post bait
>rotoscoped moeshit

try again

The degrading version of sakuga refers to either
1. When the rotoscoping is used as a crutch instead of actually animating something.
2. When the animation quality is bumped up suddenly, creating a jarring effect that takes the viewer out of the experience.

I think the real hatred of Japanese animation comes from the horribly bland character design that can be done by robots (waifulabs is a great example of this) or the prostitute-level degradation animators usually are treated with by their superiors.

Hard to show through a minute long low res webm, but The Dump had really great facial animation and character acting in general

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But it's a completely different kind of animation that requires different skills and recourses.

Have you been living under a rock?
youtube.com/watch?v=V4UN616BFDA
Has better animation than the average anime too.

based tartar sauce saving western animation

youtube.com/watch?v=fsxCIkN7Zy8

In a pure technical standpoint, i'd have to say no. But over all, yes. Animation in the west has declined so much it's almost back to stick figures.

so is stop motion but I assume you have some point you're trying to make?

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>airing right now

Rookie is cute.

With rotoscoping? No.

There's a lot wrong with it. Go fuck yourself. Rotoscoping is not animation. It has none of the appeal or potential of animation. It does not require the skill of an animator. It is an insult.

It's difficult to imagine being a person who is small-minded, pathetic, and wholly devoid of pride enough to believe that there is nothing wrong with rotoscoping, which is literally taking an opportunity to create art and deciding to trace video frames instead.

I'd also mention that the animation is being done by Studio La Cachette

They did the Sucker of Souls short for Love, Death, and Robots (the best one)
The Kairos trailer (seen here vimeo.com/64386008 also a great read (The founder of the studio is the creator of the comic, there's an official translation coming soon but for now the fan translation is mega.nz/#F!v7gikCSI!znl0lRExzQJDR3gRbscfkQ (it has some pacing issues but it's a great read and the art is phenomonal),
the 2D segments of the movie Mune: Guardian of the Moon (great movie, clips here vimeo.com/203265038),
they were the animators on the really good Nick short The Ballad of Bea and Cad (here youtube.com/watch?v=JqkDhqEeyiw)
and did some of the animation on a league of legends music video (youtube.com/watch?v=Zasx9hjo4WY)
The founders of the studio also made Le Royaume (youtube.com/watch?v=y6ZmMjMdrqs)

They also have another animated series in production called Le College Noir, based on one of the founder's (the same on who made Kairos) other graphic novel catsuka.com/news/2019-06-26/le-college-noir-adapte-en-serie-par-la-cachette-d-apres-la-bd-d-ulysse-malassagne
No word yet on a translation of that graphic novel as far as I'm aware. But hopefully the series will get subs when it comes out so it can at least be enjoyed that way

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Le Royaume webm, which i could have sworn I'd posted in this thread already

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People like to shit on hyper realistic CG, but god fucking damn

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you have no idea what you're talking about
have you ever done rotoscoping? actually, have you ever even drawn or animated anything?
there's enough free programs around that you should try it yourself and see how "easy" it is

remember this one from a long time ago. that sequence still looks great even after all these years

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>30fps to 60fps interpolation
Boooooo.

Yes, and sadly none of them want to dress up as Roxy and fuck random men such as me over the Internet. Then again, maybe I'm just not trying hard enough.

That webm is wrong cause they’re both from a Japanese studio.

These are both really good and you're really dumb and gay

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you're right but probably homosexual and that's not okay

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It's always interesting to see people argue about animation without knowing anything about animation itself.

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>A man "danced" like that for a shitty anime

Thanks for making me feel old user. Also fuck zoomers.

the dancer that was rotoscoped on was a female

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I imagine it's easy for an industry to master animation when they only ever practice using one fucking body template.

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Here is a more beautiful girl dancing.

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>disney did rotoscoping better decades ago
amazing

Yeah sure, just like all the anime girls you see on VR Chat.

This webm always makes me nauseous.

Ding ding ding, motherfucker, we have a winner here.

What?
Nagisa Sugao is a real, physical, not very attractive japanese woman, and she was the one who did the dance twitter.com/nyagigi/status/1157642228296232961?s=20

Anything anime has done recently is lightyears better than the west and their cal arts shit

heh, calarts, amirite bros, high five

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sauce a brother up?

Episode 13 of Love, Death and Robots, I'd say watch it on Netflix if you can to make sure it gets a second season but that's already confirmed so here

Love, Death, and Robots
mega.nz/#F!uVJnlYIa!jbaeW2PDrvBJkrjH_PNAIA

I honestly think the side soliers look more realistic than the main character. Her suit was too form fitting and the side character had proper wrinkles.

>posting shitty rotoscoped chick with an anime head pasted on
>not posting something based like the Lupin car chase where they drive up fucking walls

why would you do this

Because you can tell the face was drawn by an animator wholly unrelated and disconnected to whoever did the body.

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The SAME Japanese animation studio, IIRC.

source?

Saved.

i've watched this dozens of times and I still want to watch it again after seeing this webm, god damn.

>Arguing with logic
Pfff, get a load of this guy!

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i like the one or two anons who are actually posting up good western animation webms and gifs. you're good doods.
unlike all the people who just whine about anime and then never show any western animation

actually yes.
but just knowing how to draw the basic template doesnt help in animating motions and such. it just makes it easier for people to learn and draw quickly.
you still have to draw all the details unique to characters, especially when it comes to armor, and then the idea falls completely apart with mecha.
youtube.com/watch?v=QlvLpYoUUfc

meanwhile, the west brings down their character designs to fucking blobs and says that not being able to draw them consistently is "JUST MY STYLE"
what a fucking joke

the east has a lot of skill. the west is degenerating and relying too much on computers instead of actually learning from masters like James Baxter.

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I don't think you'll often see anything like this from a western studio.

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>people can't pick up on an obvious Famicom post
>in an East vs West thread
This board has been slipping.

>Easten Animation is more bold and usually more expressive however,
thats wrong though

America has no reason for people to learn how to be animators since 95% of the 2D jobs are outsourced anyway. All that's left are:

>Veterans from the old days, high skilled
>Self-taught people who do it as a hobby, skill range wildly varies
>College students who realize they have to go into storyboarding by the time they graduate so they drop animating even if they had the potential to be great

i dont get it, what is it we wont see, i cant comprehend any of this webm

this is wrong

Refute it more than not at all.

Storyboarding and cinematography. Don't worry, the east is just as watered down as the west.

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There are no winners in this

>when the marine wank is go strong that it takes two psykers working together to temporarily inconvenience a single marine that they are totally unable to meaningfully harm even when they have it caught in their combined power and at their 'mercy'

Come on

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prove a single thing you said

thats a good thing

It's common knowledge 2D animation is outsourced to Korea and Canada.

Prove your own point, faggot.

>in betweens are the only tasks in animation
this is wrong

also
>tv animation is the only western animation
this is wrong

Where the fuck did you get that from.

The entire animation process is outsourced. Key frames, breakdowns, inbetweens, clean-up, color, compositing.

I said "American animation" and we don't make 2D films anymore, so what fucking point is it to bring that up?

Are you autistic?

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Oddly fitting to macarena.

literally disney could do that type of animation OP is showing like 60 years ago just look how fluid is snow white.

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>The entire animation process is outsourced. Key frames, breakdowns, inbetweens, clean-up, color, compositing.
from everything i read on this board, this seems to be the case. could argue that since storyboards have somehow become synonymous with keys in some circles, that maybe murrica still does those at least. but then you see the ones drawn by "studios" and its fucking atrocious

i dont know how you can look at the current landscape of animation and say its in a healthy place.
> TV animation is down the fucking drain with only a scant few good examples left
> movie animation has completely gutted 2d animation projects and are solely focused on special effects and making things as life-like as possible for live-action movies
the only places that have any promise in the future of animation is the games industry. it still has style and holds the fundamentals of animation in high regard. honestly outdoes japan in quality in a lot of areas.
everything else is falling into a grey soup of monotony and/or being shoved out of the limelight despite practically MAKING the movies.

oh except for the amateur porn art scene. THAT shit is good and seems to be where all the money is

>disney could do this 60 years ago
show us something that disney has done in the last year that looks like that
only examples i can think of are CGI and toonboom puppet animations

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it's not great, but not the worst i've seen
at least they fixed the godawful cgi work from when they were doing resurrection f

Not unless they do a proper Dungeon Meshi adaption.

See this. It takes a lot of skill and requires animators to discern which movements should be rotoscoped and what needs original animation.

Toriyama was always working on this shit
the guy was really at his best in Dragonball when it was mostly for gags and silly kung fu fighting
now it's a retarded power-up contest where the highest number is always the winner

Yup.

i'm pretty sure most animation is done in korean sweatshops for both the US and Japan

Yeah but it’s not fair to compare animation from an anime to golden age Disney. Even modern Disney can’t compete with it.

Milt's probably my favorite of the Nine Old Men
especially his work on Madame Medusa

Lucky 13 was super underrated imo. Anybody who's ever owned a beat up car they really loved has felt those feels.

Numbers stopped mattering as quick as they were introduced.
>Kung-fu with some gag humor here and there
>Kung-fu with some energy blasts here and there
>Standard shonen where numbers became a thing, sometimes strategy was needed to overcome
>Numbers are now a mandatory to defeat an enemy
>Numbers no longer matter, being the strongest is
>If you're not Goku or Vegeta, you are not going to win
>If you are not Goku, wait for him so he can save everyone
C17 winning the ToP was a genuine surprise.

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never in my lifetime

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This was fucking terrible forced animation and caused a storm of autism over Chika and the show.

>The entire animation process is outsourced. Key frames, breakdowns, inbetweens, clean-up, color, compositing.
This is false

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>I said "American animation" and we don't make 2D films anymore, so what fucking point is it to bring that up?
You realize 3d films staff 2d animators right? So do VFX studios and even normal film studios. And yes, the west does make 2D films.

>jewish musicals

>disney

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if you've seen the animation for the naruto vs pain fight, you'd know how fucking terrible it was
it's worse than any single frame

it looked more like a fight between loony toons at certain points

No it's not. Prove it otherwise. It's common knowledge.

Have you seen modern Disney's films? Whether they're good or not is irrelevant the animation is fucking phenomenal

>You realize 3d films staff 2d animators right?
That never get to use their 2D abilities outside of pre-production, so who cares? Most of their footage is locked away unless someone posts a pencil test from their time working on Moana or whatever.

>the west does make 2D films.
AMERICA, that I have said twice now, doesn't.

Prove it's true

am i wrong for refusing to even give this a chance for literally being stick figures?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsourcing_of_animation

the magnum opus of animation
i only wish it was completed

I don't think it's better or worse, I just want to throw this out there because I like it when animation uses the environment.

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this seems off but god damn amazing animation

Rocko's modern Life
Steven Universe
Invader Zim
Hey Arnold
Every DC Animated Movie
Nearly every Scooby Doo movie
Other random films that come out like North of Blue

Yes
What's your problem with Stick figures?

They did that over 20 years ago.

Reminder Spinel is Western and anime cannot compete

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waifus

Good job, you listed the 5% of 2D work we've gotten in the last 5 - 7 years in America. Notice how I didn't say "every single job" said "95%" for exactly that reason.

I know there are shows like Ballmasters that are animated here, but the overwhelming majority of shows are outsourced to Korea, Canada, and on the rare occasion, France or Australia.

looks like a bad one of those chinese wuxia films

Wow, mods are indeed worthless.

yeah, those computers must be burning hot with all the talent they put out
if i had the billions to put into every movie, i'm sure my dogshit cgi would look just as good as theirs

isn't a big part of why so much of the american industry is shit because it's less of an industry and more of one giant clique of retarded hipsters who keep getting jobs for one another?
i've heard that as a reason for the calarts style meme before

>Spinel, why are you eating ice cream?
>I always eat ice cream when I'm having a bad day.
>But you've been eating ice cream for 6000 years!
>...

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I didn't take him to mean literally. The only show they're airing new episodes of right now is Squidbillies.

Regarding western animation, I did like Fleischer's Poor Cinderella: youtube.com/watch?v=wjpCaEhBNJU

More recent examples of decent animation:
- - Mutafukaz: - Lascars:

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Yeah, this thread should be called Korea vs. Korea

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Rotoscoping was originally patented by Fleischer Studios, and they were the only animation company to ever make high use of it even after the patent expired. Walt Disney only used it in Snow White and never again because his animators didn't like it. The technique itself probably would have died completely if it wasn't for Ralph Bakshi using it in his films.

My point is it's like comparing apples to oranges.

>dude, seriously, trust me, seriously, c'mon

The problem with rotoscoping is that it doesn't tell if the animator is skilled. Sure, there are tons of people who can draw something on-model, but can they make it look good in motion?

Rotoscoping isn’t even that bad. You have to know your fucking anatomy and provide decent line work in order for it to look good.

fuckkkk please I need the source

Look up the budgets for yourself and compare. Western animation beats eastern animation nearly every time.

Yes. 20 years ago.
But at least the West still had some good stuff for a long time. But there's been practically nothing decent for the past decade except a few movies.

i wanna FUCK this lanklet woman

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I wish we could post Yea Forums topics on Yea Forums like they constantly do here

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you forgot the part where they totaled half the team

>I don't agree.
Can you elaborate why?

Wtf is forced animation? Can someone explain it to me?

It insists upon itself.

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So animation where the fact that it's an animation is apparent? As in non-seamless?

no its whatever shitposters decide it to be whenever they think its too good

It's actually not Yea Forums but a bunch of us Yea Forums refugees because back like a decade ago Yea Forums turned into a hellhole and we couldn't keep hiding on /m/ all the time.

So when we noticed the Jannies weren't doing their jobs, and with western animation having slowly died over the last decade to the point all any of you care about is redrawing the girls into anime to make waifus as the only metric of a good show, we decided the time had come to start the takeover.

You'll thank us one day. We're currently undergoing a renaissance of good shows.

>tfw people use an anime you like for shitposting drawing negative attention to it
Kaguya doesn't deserve this

Who has the shittier life?

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Autism.

Yea Forums is by far the worst board and this thread is a good reason why

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>Forced animation
I know this commentary is some stupid Yea Forums meme, but please, elaborate

Yea Forums is the only board that I go on. Except for /ic/ sometimes.
How are the other boards?

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Not him, but different flavors of autism.

In terms of character design? I won't be able to remember that girl in two days
In terms of animation? It looks decent, rotoscope vibes tho, but decent; eventhought I'm pretty sure the rest of the series doesn't lokk this fluid.

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Here are several layers of cringe, dude. Who's the guy in the middle next to the overrated memedoujin?

Because is one of the most retarded and perpetuous argues on internet, like XBOX vs PSX, dub vs sub and latinamerican dubs vs Spanish dubs. All of them are obnoxious, all of them are forever.

Vinland is shit, tho.

I've just checked desuarchive. At last, he was B&, Goddfucking damnit, based mods.

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Guts.
>Not only did your waifu get raped and your unborn child get killed by demon rape
>She obviously enjoyed it

Non-CG Animation is literally dead in the US, there is no western animation industry.

Yea Forums turned into retarded elitist cancer about a decade ago, but while less degenerate than Yea Forums *technically* is way more fucking obnoxious to be on. Most of the less insane Yea Forumsnons moved to /m/ or Yea Forums to try and hide until it changed back.

/pol/ got stuck in a loop around 2016. I haven't seen more than one hypercommie thread active at once in like a decade at this point.

/m/'s a bunch of turbo autists but relatively chill all things considered but super niche.

/tg/ has devolved into a pile of cancerous generals but is admittedly holding there admirably, but the sheer number of MtG and Warhammer generals is slowly strangling it to death as the grogs desperately fight off waves of newfags and lose ground.

/vg/ is literally nothing but generals from day 1 which seems to actually be the only way for generals to work well.

Yea Forums forgot what irony and self awareness was ages ago. Don't expect too much out of the Yea Forumsallpit for another decade or so if ever.

Nobody ever gave a fuck about Yea Forums, but they're basically worse Yea Forums because they don't even fuck with people in autistic rages to close threads anymore, but atleast they don't have generals.

/qst/ never should have been made since it's pure /tg/ shit and removing it crippled the board.

Couldn't tell you about much else. Haven't checked in on a lot of them in awhile and I wasn't a regular on many back in the day.

Jesus christ dbz should have just ended with GT.

I've always hated this gif. Excessive nonsensical movement looks sloppy. Animation should be snappy and flow smoothly.

Again it's always the French saving animation

white man can't draw