Adaptation does everything right and maybe better

It's stupid, it's cheesy, it's goofy, it's corny, it's campy, it's pulpy, and every other synonym that exists, which is what fans of the games like about them to begin with, so what made it not okay for the cartoon to be like that?

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Which is nonsense considering Watchmen manages to take it's tiny ass run and make it be bloated with irrelevant fluff.

It's a good adaptation that failed to meet the unrealistic expectations that were set by diehard fans of the comic. The complaints are always about the stuff that didn't make it into the movie, the ending, and even some have straight up said that a movie would never do the comic justice.
I don't think you understand how much movies like to change the source material.

>Why does anyone give a shit about Betty being fat

Because I wanted to jerk off to a cute live action Betty and instead got Rosie, goddamn it.

Some people are just too hard to please. But there are genuine concerns with the fact that many of the books main themes aren't adapted properly, and they're incredibly important to Watchmen. People dont like the changed ending because the squid is an enemy they know can die, that's why they put their differences aside, with Manhattan, they have no idea if they can even harm him.
Obviously you can't do everything in one movie. Watchmen would be better served as a 12 part TV show to truly adapt it's themes. What Snyder did was a very good adaptation of the books visuals, I'll commend him for that, but he missies the point of why the book is so good, because of its core ideals and themes.

Because the writing was fucking awful.

And so was the writing in He-Man and Ninja Turtles, most well-regarded cartoons from the 80s had shit writing

If it was a good adaptation then people who read the comic wouldn't be so hung up over it. Notice how nobody here has ever complained about JLU's Question or the 90's Phantom film? That's because there was no compromise in their themes or tone. Watchmen's quality was negligible, but when the alternative to making it closer to the source material is to add in a metric ton of special effects and drawn out scenes, then there's more room for criticism.

How is it a ridiculous that Betty was insanely miscast? The other casting was on point.

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>adaptation gets its source material right
>you suddenly notice The Flintstones is nothing but shitty puns and lame visual jokes
Oops.

Bc Rosie was hot hot hot as a female comedian at the time.

I saw the most awful attempt at nerd cred/a joke when I was watching a Zelda 3 randomizer race the other day
>one commentator remarks how the cartoon got the canon wrong with the colors of the triforce
>"Um, yeah, Power was red but Wisdom was GREEN so crazy right?"
>other commentator responds with a laugh "dude, didn't the cartoon come out before even LttP?"
>first guy immediately drops his attempt at showing off/joke and just goes "haha um yeah Zelda 2 probably wasn't even out yet" and quickly moves on from his reference

The modern audiences have had so much established "lore" and "canon" hammered into them that they cannot fathom a world that predates it. Super Show will never win any awards for being accurate to the source material, but with all the games had to offer at the time and what saturday morning TV was, it was never going to be. And yet they rake it and other adaptations of that era over the coals for it.

The fans literally just liked the chromatic music and technology. Mario is a video game, every Mario fan is riding the amazement they felt when they first saw what it looked and sounded like to make a man jump on tv with a button. All this moviebob DiC stuff came way later and brings this clueless marketing flavor to it that is so off point to the A/V aspect that is the core of all video games.

>nothing but shitty puns and lame visual jokes
wow, you just described all of british comedy in only a few short words

I actually could write a video essay about how fucking off point American marketing of these fundamentally Audio Visual products was, with that Mario and Sonic shit. The NES was like a HAM radio you could buy that ran prototype software at a home level, your dad would buy one out of amazement and a sense of electronoc innovation, and you would play the games because it was crazy the technology existed to finally experiment at that level. Then Japan's character obsession combines with an American kid's cartooning monolith, and suddenly they're acting like we're here to watch two italian men bicker as they help people, and worse, poor young dobson and moviebob believe it! Like, take the high progressive Green Hill Zone theme, designed around the spinach you bought the console for, and the psychadelic contrast in the bright detailed pixels, and then you fucking tell me people are here to see a cartoon hedhehog eat a chili dog. Fucking no, it's an A/V hobby, and all this autism and schizophrenia is because people don't get that.

Sound chip not spinach*!!!

I'M STRONG FROM THE STARTS
'CAUSE ME SOUNDCHIP IS FARTS
I'M SEGA THE GENESIS
*BRAP BRAAAAAAAP*

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So they were mad the movie was a movie?

The show is mocked because its shit, your fantasy about canon autism only applies to people like literally dobson, the issue is that a cheap 1980s kids cartoon software ad is not even slightly relevant. What do you expect, the DiC Zelda fandom? You want people to 'get straight' and start watching the Super Mario Super Show on the reg? Give me a break - the games are interactive replayable adventure software, THAT'S why they dwarf the cartoons in all cases

>wanting to get your rocks off to Betty
>when this was in the movie

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>still manages to be funnier than 90% of cartoons that came in the 4 decades after it
Oops indeed.

bamalam

Hate it for its quality-- don't hate it because it isn't accurate to Ocarina of Time or something that came out decades later.

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You can always just TELL when something is a porn parody.
It gives off this unique vibe, and your brain just knows.

I get what you mean but this is a longwinded way to say that in the vast majority of video games story and characterization doesn't matter at all.
I'll add that even when it does matter, it makes for terrible adaptation material, because narratively the elements that make for an enjoyable video game story aren't the same that make for a non-interactive story. See for instance nameless/silent protagonists that have puddle-deep characterization to help self-insertion.

They cast O'Donnell because she copied the Betty laugh the best

Golden

The first Flintstones movie was good but Viva Rock Vegas sucked dinosaur dick!

Speed Racer captured everything wacky and cheesy about the original series and kept up the visual flair and inventive racing...and everybody shat on it for doing so. Never before had I left a theater with friends and so completely disagreed with them.

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Some things are better left as cartoons instead of cartoons awkwardly trying to be movies.

They were trashing it as low hanging fruit because the series is a joke - and if the contradicts the primary content in coloring I'd call it quality

I can't speak for the other people in this thread but I remember what it was like to be a child and watching this show when it was on cable.

I loved the fuck out of it.

SMB3 was the best adaptation (...Milli Vanilli notwithstanding) of really being like the video game, but from a child's perspective the show fed into any kid's desire of wanting to see more Mario stuff, especially in the context of a time period where the internet didn't exist yet and you couldn't watch LPs or fan projects that were technically better than a middling budget weekday or SATam show.

Agreed my dude. Movie was magic.

i hate capeshit but i actually liked watchmen

Think of it like a cartoon network skit that takes faithful visuals but subverts them with a new story. Or perhaps the adaptation of Macross and two other shows into Robotech.

Accurate visuals, but it was a fundamentally different story.

I'd rather have had less slavish panel-to-screen visuals that actually told Watchmen's story.

Most people I've seen have given that movie praise.
Especially on the internet, but that's due to its competition being DragonBallEvolution or LegendofChunLi or GhostInTheShell.

No, it wasn't. The Watchmen movie was made by someone who liked the pretty pictures but seems to have not actually read it in its entirety. Visual accuracy means absolutely nothing if you fail to accurately adapt the themes of the work you're adapting.

The live action parts were better and would have made a great sitcom.

based

Could easily be a SNL skit too

I'm just offended my electronics hobby at the advent of home hardware got co-opted by a cartoon company, who turned the NES and Gameboy from a family hardware and electronics hobby into a childish toy your mom was sick of seeing for more than 10 minutes a day. Kids used to love polygons, then they started acting like they came for the italians

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>Polygons
>NES and Gameboy

Pixels for NES polygins with the N64. Point being I would have watched different behaviors of an oscillator sooner than get my kicks out of mama luigi and mushroom kingdom lore

Saw it, I admit it's a marvel of editing. But it's still a headache to sit through

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Yeah I loved it as a kid, before the internet told me to hate people.

You all know it's true.

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i'm sorry but i never read or ever saw brooding superman

Watchmen had color besides brown

>Adaption is based
>People hate because it's not close the origin
>Any other shows or films for this feel

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>Don't be such a pussy, Flintstone!

No people hated it because it wasn't the edgy serious show

US marketing successfully sold us that sonic was the edgy mascot the 90s craved and that never really went away

Japan just started playing into it more

this applies to everything they've done in the new millenium

DUDE MARTHA LMAO

I'd lay with Betty, but I'd be thinking of Wilma

The whole point of the Batman and Superman dynamic is that they are strongly contrasting each other. BvS never worked because Superman was as dark, if not more so, than Batman.

Never has Superman been as grim or brooding as those movies. To top it off; the Batman utilized by the movie was Miller’s elseworld end Times burn-the-cities-and-salt-the-earth AND even Miller’s Batman was opposed to killing. It was just brooding on top of brooding.

>tim burton movie is much more accurate to the book, even uses the book's song lyrics and dialogue.
>people complain because it wasn't like the other movie, questioning why there's squirrels instead of eggs now.
>they even complained how they ""changed"" movie title.

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>Much more accurate to the book
>Still has to shoehorn in an original subplot, this time about Wonka trying to spite his dentist father for not letting him eat candy as a kid

I liked that subplot. But mostly because I just like Christopher Lee

I think she started my jungle fever.

The movie wasn’t a total mess of brown sludge...it had blue as well! LOL

... I agree that the comic was far more flashy than the movie. The Watchmen comic was emblematic of the times in which it was created, namely that 80’s new noir grungy neon type vibe. Look at movies with loud garish colors like Blade Runner, Lethal Obsession, Highlander, Cobra, Black Rain, King of New York or Streets of Fire for good examples.

They live in caves, not jungles.

and yet despite all the changes, the first movie was better because it had better music and a vastly better lead

I fucking love this movie. It is honestly one of my favorite movies. The end gets me every time.

I said oh fat betty
bamalam

It's the women. They have to look fuckable or it won't sell.
You look at the background, the props, the costumes, the acting, and you're like, maybe this is just a bootleg knock-off or one of those fan project things, and then you see the women, who usually look very same-y, typically physically attractive-ish, are wearing way too much makeup, have particularly noticeable breast implants, very form-fitting costumes, and have that characteristic dead-eyed stretched-out smile.

Flinstones is a weird pick for live adaptation. It would only come off looking like a jarring mess even if they got everything perfectly.

It's just another part of the whole mindset that animated things are never really valid unless they are eventually made into a live movie. Even if it is a weird comedy world where every appliance is a talking dinosaur.

It never really took place in the games at all. Everything was a weird movie parody in some awkward Tokyo, or Mad Max Australia. The games were in a medieval mushroom themed world with underground tunnels and floating bricks. But the Super show never really had that.

The Mario 3 show finally got it right by having the episodes take place in the worlds of the game with semi accurate background locations.

fat betty had a child
bam-bam

Zelda fans seem to be the worst offenders in being constantly outraged that a random show did not include the characterizations and lore that the series got a decade or more after.

Now lets post Good adaptions

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This and this alone.
The songs in the newer movie were fine, but not as memorable or iconic as the ones in the first movie. You're probably going to say "No shit, the first movie came out first and was all we knew for WAY longer than the new movie so of course people will find the original more iconic", to which naturally begs the question: "Then why try to remake such an iconic movie in the first place, if not to think that you could do it better somehow?"

Depp possibly could have been an even greater Wonka than Wilder, despite the additional "backstory exploration", if only they played more of the "Aging wealthy eccentric in his twilight years living a dream-like fantasy he spent his life/fortune making real" instead of the "Perpetual child who never grew up and builds a fantasy world out of insecurity to hide from reality" angle they went for. But I mean, it's Tim Burton, he was probably jerking off thinking of creepy pale dutch-boy children with blood red lips in back and white striped rooms while a rerun of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was playing on TV, when "genius" struck him.

I think Johnny Depp admitted that the original movie was the better adaptation and better Wonka.

The damn thing gone wild
Bam-Bam BAM

this is a SEVERELY underrated post

Well it definitely didn't matter in the 80s. All we knew of Zelda in 1988 was little green guy rescued red girl from blue guy, and used a sword. That is pretty much it. We knew even less about Mario since the instruction booklet gave almost no story. We just knew bit turtle guy kidnapped princess and overalls guy is going to rescue her.

DiC just made the most generic standard saturday morning cartoons out of them that literally everyone else was making at the time. Catchphrase spouting hero outwits the fist shaking "I'll get you next time!" villain and his bumbling minions.

The real problem is modern video game lorefags are going back and looking at it and not knowing a damn thing about the era making up assumptions. They have no idea the Supershow was literally no different from every other cartoon with idiot minions and conniving bad guy like He-Man, Inspector Gadget, Thundercats, TMNT, etc.

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I watched this movie every fucking October I love it so much.

Is that Rick Moranis as Barney? I loved him Little Shop of Horrors and have never seen this movie.

The Grand Prix scenenis glorious. Just absolute magic.
>"When you do, I just hope I'm there to see it."

Yes, it is.

my nigga

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The only funny jokes in The Flintstones are stolen from the Honeymooners. Unless you thibk the Great Gazoo and Fred getting head trauma and assuming a new identity every episode are hilarious. It's not even a good sitcom, Top Cat's the only good Hanna Barbera sitcom. Literally the only time the entire franchise has been good was that one TV movie made by the Dexter's Lab crew.

the comic was good

Speed Racer.

But that’s not Yea Forums

I liked it fine as a kid. Wouldn't ever rewatch it though.

IT'S COLD OUTSIIIIDE

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Watchmen was fucking terrible as a movie. It's also not a faithful adaptation at all unless you skipped all non comic pages.

>tfw it had more game stuff in it than the edgy cartoon that spawned all the Archie autism

Most of the criticism at the time I can remember was people complaining it gave them motion sickness. It's definitely been vindicated by time but there was one line from a critic I remembered that did strike a chord with me. They mentioned the Wachowski's gushing about how they replicated the camera spin as Speed jumps from the Mach 5 and they said it took the Wachowskis millions of dollars and twenty years of computer technology to replicate a shot some Tatsunoko animator did in a week for 200 yen an hour in the 60s. I can see how with that viewpoint the film's tone and ethos would irritate you. Me, I was sold ten minutes in when you realize he's racing against his brother's time trial ghost.

This one is actually good. People hated it and shat on it when it came out. Yet, seeing the original cartoon and this, it's actually funny and quite good.

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it was such a weird fucking movie. All I remember about it specifically was Bullwinkle beating Fearless Leader's plan by getting faxed somewhere after saying "If only there was a way to send someone somewhere in the blink of an eye."

This. It was more faithful in many ways but Burton had to slather everything with his same standard aesthetics and daddy issues. Danny Devito's Matilda takes way bigger liberties with the book and is still much more faithful to the spirit of it than Burton's film was.

Good point. Half the praise that series got was from people being blown away by something heartfelt and thought provoking based on the fucking Flintstones.

Rocky and Bullwinkle was based as fuck.
Even split between regular observational jokes and wordplay kids can understand and higher-concept jokes/wordplay/memes that only adults appreciate. Quickly dismissed as just some filler kids' cartoon until you actually watch an episode and realize "holy shit where did all this humor come from this all flew over my head as a kid".

There was a 90s Boris and Natasha movie that was not too bad.

A callback to when Kenan and Kel were explaining to him what a fax was.

Even Howling 2 or The Stupids?

I will never read the oot manga because they replaced bongo bongo with shadow link as the boss of shadow temple.

You all can go fuck off.

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>"There has never been a way to actually destroy a cartoon character until now."
>"What about in that movie Roger Rabbit?"
>"SHUT UP! THIS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT!!!"

Except those are fine, the ones whey they changed the cast were.

I never really watched the whole series but I enjoyed casually watching one episode or two.

That buttercup was perfect though

It's funny how you didn't contradict my post.

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So it seems the main thing that makes a good adaption is if they understand and include the spirit and meaning behind the original, more so than aesthetics

the thing is, you're never going to perfectly adapt the aesthetics of a cartoon (or comic) to live action, so you need to get the heart of the work right, or it's just going to turn out crap. Even the supposedly highly accurate Watchmen isn't really visually accurate since it chose to go with Zack Snyder's standard muted blue-washed color palette over the bright colors of the comic.

>Top Cat's the only good Hanna Barbera sitcom.

Wait Until Your Father Gets Home.

The best Thanksgiving movie.

Came here to say this. Speed Racer is the ultimate live adaptation of a cartoon visually and in energy/tone. There are so many great moments in it.