"Oh sorry to hear your aunt is dying from cancer Peter. Of course i could cure it...

>you cant use alien tech either!

Fuck you reed. You think the ayys dont share thier tech? Or does he just not aant to be outdone by shit from other worlds that would make dll his patents obsolete?

This page is so completly nonsensical./

He's treating science like some sort of religious doctrine, 'own pace' is nonsense.
If a person on Earth is inspired by something they see and create something then that's Earth Science and entirely natural.

Comicbook writers are such hacks.

She does have the most Mary Sue weaponry

Hickman was really, REALLY unsubtle about that in Future Foundation.

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>This is exactly why Peter feels no guilt cucking Reed
Elaborate

If you ignore the art, the dialogue is practically for a porn comic between Spidey and Sue

>this means they had sex

>Don't introduce vaccines to Africa, Peter, niggers should learn on their own or die trying

Now is this Reed saying that or Black Panther? Because its equally applicable considering both hoard their advances.

To be fair Hickman doesn't limit it to just Peter

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This still doesn’t prove anything

That pose doesn't help

Yeah, but Scott doesn't have the history with Sue that Peter does. Ever since the Silver Age, Peter and Sue have been a big what-if as a couple. He's even married to her in at least one alternate timeline.

Sue is a flirt, but that's all it is.

honestly this page feels like it only exists so they can handwave why Peter's involvement in the Future Foundation had no effect on the Horizon Labs stuff he was dealing with in his own books at the time, indeed it basically screams Editorial Mandate harder than almost anything I've seen in a while

There's a lot of people in the MU who perfected cloning technology not just the Jackal. I'm sure Aunt May would love to have another chance at having a slutty hot bod again.

Neverending comicbook universes are shit, they have no proper development.

Hey Peter, I know someone that can help you out!

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It's a concession of the medium.

The sheer amount of exotic technology and biology that gets thrown around EVERY DAY in-universe, even if EVERY super-genius (hero and villain alike) took extreme measures to clean up after themselves and everybody else... There'd still be enough debris and DNA sprinkled around that science would have advanced so far over the past 70+ years, the present-day MU would be completely unrecognizable as modern-day Earth.

Comics are fantasy wearing the mask of science fiction, but they are not science fiction.

Quesada selling Peter's marriage to Mephisto was the very first shitfest I remember on Yea Forums. I guess that makes it almost 12 years ago now.

You're here forever.

>the present-day MU would be completely unrecognizable as modern-day Earth.
Good!

The hamfisted claims of comicbook universes being 'relatable' is bullshit, they stopped being like our world the instant you have capes flying around everywhere fighting aliens and dark gods.
Let the setting actually grow organically and reflect the events therein.

Yes

And yet they add in 'realism' as if that's an actual selling point. They don't stick to any one thing, at least the original comics were uplifting to a degree.

Anyone who still gives DC or Marvel their money is a beaten spouse that keeps crawling back.

Sue Storm has always had this thing with Spider-Man, either he flirts with her or she flirts with him. Not as overt as Namor, but something subtle.
Hell, I think after he beat on the FF the first time he stole a kiss from her too.

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>all these people willing to disobey the prime directive

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>the present-day MU would be completely unrecognizable as modern-day Earth.
I've literally never seen anyone give a good argument as to why that would be a bad thing

besides Astro City managed to make it work rather well anyways

What the fuck does Peter even have to offer the woman who's married to a man literally made for the best sex ever.

Starfleet treat it more like a religious text handed down from god rather than a protocol to be careful when dealing with less advanced worlds.

To the point you get stupid shit like "Oh we can't stop this entire planet from being destroyed because it would interfere with their 'natural development'.

>Call me if Miles gets sick.

Fucking pefection.

>people think sandwich talk is sexual in nature
>people think this is possible

Reed is too busying being a useless twat to actually fuck Sue.

Picard disobeyed it pretty readily if it meant a chance to ride a dune buggy around and have mad max-style shootouts with the locals.

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What does any man have to offer?

Probably a Zero refractory period, and the fact that he doesn't have to use his powers to enhance himself to be better.
Because yeah, people forget even after he got the powers Spidey was scrawny as fuck and built up muscles over his time.

Actually paying attention to her? Emotional intimacy? Not being autistic?

False. He bones like a fucking champ.

>and the fact that he doesn't have to use his powers to enhance himself to be better.
Except that he literally did

Unless the Spider-bite gave him a bigger dick I don't know what you mean.

You sound like a woman, or a beta

Venture Bros kind of blows this argument bout of the water.
Advanced tech exists but it's all either too dangerous, expensive or impractical for commercial use.

Peter is a more responsible version of her brother. She seems to like Peter's boyish nature.

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Reed is canonically a beast in the sack and fucks her on the regular. I don't have the page, but I'm sure someone here does.

Nah, Reed is too busy being an active detriment to the universe to fuck anything else, let alone to fuck Sue.

>gets bit by Spider
>gets stronger
>becomes a Chad due to confidence increase
>stronger (women love muscles)
>increased agility, stamina, durability (literally can fuck for hours and hours)
>chiseled lithe twink body that females love
Yeah the spider bite did nothing for him

Proportional pumping of a spider.

If Reed figured out the average number of times a week he needs to dick his wife's pussy to oblivion she wouldn't be flirting with other men. Surely there's a mathematical equation for him to figure it out.

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There's a dude in Marvel who gives people permanent superhuman strength and durability with no drawbacks, and does it just for the sake of superhuman wrestling shows.

SeeSomeone has the picture but he fucks like a goddamn retard, he crushes puss

Reed is a premature ejaculator.

You mean he fucks he occasionally when he can actually be bothered to pay attention to her rather than his experiments, and when she isn't off having sleepovers with Namor.

Maximum kek

Reed's actually really fucking dumb, user, that's always been the joke. To borrow a /tg/ term, 8 Int, 5 Wis, but massive Int skill prof. bonuses in everything under the sun.

If you look at what Reed actually does when it comes to judgement calls or decisions he's actually notorious for fucking up across multiple incarnations of himself.

Then why does she stray with a dude that smells like fish? Being able to crush puss doesn't matter if you aren't doing it enough.

>implying he doesn’t have this down to a science
>implying he doesn’t know men flirt with his wife and that she never does anything about it
>gets to laugh at Namor behind his back at his impotent attempts at bedding Sue that make him look like a beta male orbiter
Yeah I’m thinking Reed is a Chad

Actually, a good set of those, the muscles and shit, didn’t come until later after he was active as a superhero.
Check it out, he was scrawny even after the bite in his debut, it was later adaptations that added the whole muscles bit.

See And she never got with Namor.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the 90s, in the Guardians of the Galaxy book, they came up with a decent explanation. There was a douchebag Celestial-like cosmic being called Bubonicus, and if your society was moving at an unnatural pace in wiping out disease (say, from getting tech from another world), then he would show up and wipe out your planet. He was no joke, he literally could hurt Eternity, personification of the Universe.

Just wish he'd been used in present-day stories to explain why Reed and the others are all "ehhhh, maybe let's not use skrull anticancer ray guns... don't want to summon the cosmic god of disease."

It's a power play. At night Sue comes home and tells Reed how blue balled the Imperius Rex was.

Nah that's retarded contrivance.

This

I thought the reason that he didn’t release his tech like unstable molecular clothing was because it would kill the business model and bankrupt some countries and textile businesses

Bubonicus is the funniest shit when you think about it.

He's got the firepower to throw down with anyone you care to name, even beings that have murderstomped multiple celestials before.

And he uses this phenomenal cosmic power to just be some edgy autist who screams "NOOO! NOOO CHEATING!" when people get better at fixing booboos faster than he'd like.

An example: Coal has been mostly obsoleted by newer technology, is he thinking about how to wind back the clock on that as well?

Even better is that he's okay with them slowly eradicating diseases, just, not too quickly, okay?

No because it moved at a natural progression and not because he gave them the tech to make coal obsolete

He’s like those bureaucrats from Futurama, do your job, just don’t do it too well.

>natural progression
There's no 'Divine Plan' when it comes to scientific progress.

It progresses when someone comes along and is inspired by something they saw. Just because it came from space does not make it Haraam.

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It really is impressive how people just don't get this.

Tech progression isn't linear. Nor is it at a fixed rate.

Reed pretends he cant cure ben. Because he is afraid his little science experiment.....i mean family would stop existing.

(I know status quo. But you would think that reed could at least be able to make a device like and armband or necklace that would allow ben to sitch at will beteen human and rock form)

Friction control.
He can drag that puss out backwards like he had a 2 foot horse cock in dry, mash her insides, or stick to her g spot and just fucking work it.
Black Cat said he was the best she ever had, and she would fucking know.

To Bubonicus it was

They both met God, who literally told Ben that Rocky was the way he had to be.

Yeah, the 'Demons will screw up the deal' thing works for magic, not so much for the technology side of things. 'We can't release this cure for disease because it's not the correct time' doesn't work.
The Demon has it's own goals.
You could release it, but you don't because you essentially want to gate-keep knowledge.
This. 'Earth is not ready' is a copout for a lot of things, weapons I get to a degree, 1200's people might not be the best wielders of ICBMs/etc but the rest? Aliens being potentially butthurt.

God of all-Marvel has literally been beaten in more recent years, because power creep has no ceiling when comics never have an ending.

Unstable molecules are actually pretty dangerous. It's fine if the cool kids use them, but if dipshits start poking into them, they start doing weird higher dimensional shit.

This is meant to be a joke about Spider-Man, the heart of the Marvel universe, having made a deal with the devil, right?

It sounds like that fable about the rooster that broke its beak.

I’ve been saying this for years and the only people who say that it’s bad for Ben to be able to change back/have his human form are people on Yea Forums. Ben has been through enough and has enough character progression and ups and downs to warrant him being able to change back to his human form. I mean for God sakes he has a wife now. Tbh the FF are essentially retired at this point with Reed and Sue heading the Future foundation and Ben is now married.

Agreed, but couldn’t that be said about any new tech?

Toaa remains undefeated.

A fancy cell phone doesn't have any possibility of wiping out a city block if someone sciences bad at it.

We're talking about Kirby.

Kirby died

But don't you see? He's perfect the way he is, and no one who isn't brainwashed or ignorant would say otherwise.

hack writing at its finest

I'll never understand American's and their crust-cutting.

>Earth science has to progress at its OWN pace.
Isn't discovering something invented by another race progress?
Otherwise we'd have to strip all technology from Africa.

Or their dick-cutting

What you're asking for is literally just a different genre. It's the equivalent of saying a Western should take place in medieval Europe.

You sound like someone who's never had sex

Nice projection Virgin

He obviously isn’t perfect the way he is, either way, when he was Ben Grimm he was a bit of an ass, and when he’s the Thing he’s a sadsack because he’s a golem.

No it isn't, you're just so used to sucking down the rancid crap the Big 2 giving you and begging for more.

Sue is a woman.

>"Yes, we could offer Krakoan medicine to cure your aunt, but we may or may not be living in alternate timeline. Humans deserve to die anyway"

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Now kiss and make up.

>maybe you should have called in that favor i owed you for a cure rather than to help you move a couch

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Well outside of Kirk who broke the rules like he didn't give a damn.

>Spider-Man and Loki going on a galactic adventure to find Idunn's orchard and sneak in to steal a golden apple to give to May
That could have been a great story.

>This is meant to be a joke about Spider-Man, the heart of the Marvel universe, having made a deal with the devil, right?
yes, though they've been subtly building up over the last couple of years towards some sort of event involving Mephisto, with OMD clearly having a big role in what's to come

no u

I thought it was referring to how he sold his marriage to cure Aunt May's cancer and then she gets shot (or something like that)?

You know what's retarded about Wakanda having a cure for cancer? Captain Marvel's death.
In the story it was a point that no one in the entire galaxy has a cure for cancer. Not Shi'ar, not Kree, not Skrulls. But those Earth niggers with some space metal do for some reason, and they never told anyone. Is Wakanda the only place in the universe with vibranium? Why wouldn't they cute Captain Marvel? Why are they such dicks?
Wakanda deserved the flood.

would've been hilarious

Different kind of cancer.

It's just a joke about OMD since Strange played a large in that and OMIT. Sometimes a writer will admit something is dumb but also offer an in-universe explanation.

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Especially on fresh bread, the crunchy crust is the best.

Dumbass boogeyman obsessed outrage farmer doesn't know that Wakanda =/= all of Africa, and they only care about Wakanda specifically and not all blacks.

Sometimes BP is written as only caring about black people, like that comic that had ALL black superheroes on the planet be part of some secret black-only club that happened to be meeting up because War Machine had just died.

Even Nick Fury Jr of SHIELD was getting introduced to the club because this one was black unlike his dad.

obsessed

Wakanda has always been an isolationist nation that only looks after its own interests. This is one of the reasons why T'Challa clashes with his ancestors. And the whole blacks only thing was shitty writing from Marvel when they were trying to be as progressive as possible while having zero awareness in how fake it came across.

>Americans
>having access to fresh bread
It's all crystal-white factory bread for kid's sandwiches.

It's even better when you consider Strange OMD'd himself recently.

Poor Americans, you live in such a backwards and deprived world.

Perfect for a mayo sandwich after a hard day of deforestation.

We have a shitload of forests

Sometimes I'm reminded of that dude's fetish because of something someone said, and there's always a split second moment where I consider trying to bring it up, but then I realise it just wouldn't be possible to explain.

It's a meme. I would advise letting it go. No good will come of it.

I just came in, what is this about?

There's a dude who commissions a ton of artists to do pictures of clearlogging to make way for white bread factories. I think Shadbase turned him down.

There was also Janeway who due to being schizophrenic and psychotic randomly flipflopped between THE PRIME DIRECTIVE IS SACROSANCT and I'LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THIS CREW HOME depending on the episode.

She killed millions.

To save billions

You mean like she helped design a superweapon for the borg to wipe out another species?

The same aliens she would make peace with in a later episode?

>Comics are fantasy wearing the mask of science fiction, but they are not science fiction.
The same could be said of Star Trek, with how many LITERAL space gods with magical powers appear across the franchise.

>The same aliens she would make peace with in a later episode?
Well they learned they lesson, didn't they?

And also just because fuck em.

>Sure, I could make billions of dollars selling computers with infinite memory, but Sony paid me a few million dollars not to, so I won't. Besides, plebs don't deserve my science anyway, they should figure it out on their own pace.

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Marvel Earth already has warp speed technology AND time travel technology though, not to mention that they frequently interact with aliens, mostly invaders.

I was quoting Watchmen for the lulz desu

It won't even change the world that much

Remember that time Reed chewed out a scientist for saying that science has a social responsibility and therefore NASA's budget should be cut during times of economic crisis?
Fucking hypocrite.

Do you have any idea how large data centers are, and the amount of cooling they require?

Is there a comic where he shows himself to be in the pocket of Big Pharma? Reasoning that he doesn't give out the knowledge of treatment for terminal diseases because it would hurt their bottomline?

Comicbook characters are all hypocrites, because comics NEVER END and who knows what the next writer or the one after him is going to make them do?

>shadbase known for loli and horse shit
>turning down bread art
what?

>Sony paid me three million not to

UNIRONIC REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
WHAT
you accepted a measly three million to keep secret the future you bendy fuck!! from a company worth billions! What did you do with the money? Starve orphans? how does someone talk about science's natural progress while refusing to accelerate it and then accept paltry bribes to delay it?! And that is a paltry bribe, just licensing it would have netted billions! And what is Sony thinking?they could have licensed it and sold tech for billions more than they get already, and then at least it would be out there!

A man's gotta have limits on how weird he's willing to go.

Hey, sometimes shadman is based, ok?

He actually doesn't like doing porn or the really degenerate stuff. He wants to do funny comics now.

I think Reed knows about him? It sounds similar to a reason an user stated for Reed not upgrading tech years ago.

It is linear. You need to learn the stuff before it most of the time barring an incident of sheer luck like penicillin. That's why many breakthroughs have multiple people who "discovered" them at around the same time.
If gunpowder gets invented, it's "unnatural" for us to suddenly get orbital laser weapons a few years later.

Starkphones can actually do that.

Comicbook writers are not known for knowing the value of a dollar, or the value of any unit of measurement to be frank.

Marvel Earth already has tons of orbital laser weapons.

I was unaware that they only recently discovered gunpowder.

Gunpowder is a bad example because it was discovered by different peoples at different times.

Like steam engines.

I'd still be extremely surprised if a culture could manage orbital laser weapons without any working knowledge of explosive chemical compounds.

Who does, really? Remember the one billion wall GoFundMe? People getting hyped when the first million came through a couple of days in, and ignoring how ridiculously long it would take to get to the billion mark even at that rate?

Worst part is that this story came with a perfectly reasonable explanation not to commercialize that tech: it's a portal to a sentient dimension of data, and then a sentient being called Modulus who had saved all of Reed's data went all yandere for him and tried to kill the FF. The story could have started with Reed planning on selling it or wanting to do more research on the tech to see if it's viable, and ended with hin concluding that this tech isn't viable just yet.

The future is now, old man

Reed Richards does not care about spider-people

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>Is Wakanda the only place in the universe with vibranium?
No. The Vibranium came from the Vega System. Wakanda doesn't have the cure for cancer because BP's long standing girlfriend died from it and I doubt he would withheld that from her. Also how is it that the these alien cultures whose tech is light years ahead of ours do not have a cure to cancer?

Muh world outside muh window.

Reed cured Ben. Multiple times.

Also made a tool like you described.

It just doesn't stuck, usually because Ben's own decisions

Just one page yet Reed manages to be an asshole in several ways.

Read again the story.
Many spacies have the cure for THEIR cancer.
But Mar-Vell was Kree, ms they didn't share their knowledge because they despised him as traitor.
And the negabands kept him alive but also kept most treatments from working.

>The entrance is WIDE OPEN, young man...
>You COMING INSIDE?
>This doesn't mean they had sex
Yea Forums has a "walked her home gently" autist too? Neat.

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I'm curious, is DC better or worse than this? I'm dimly aware that Power Girl's Star Labs patents supertech but I don't think we're at the level of people screaming equations to walk through walls everywhere either

Celestials in general come across as a gang of psychopaths with autism

what is wrong with using things from off world aside from the threat of bringing an alien to earth as if that's an uncommon thing hell how often does the world government commission these genuineness to go mine materials from asteroids?

Hm, I guess you could say it varies. In the DCAU at least Batman and Gotham seem to be in a pretty classical time period, but by the time aliens and high-tech shit has happened enough in Superman, the Justice League series looks pretty modern with laser weapons and mecha, on into a cyberpunk style dystopian Gotham in less than fifty years. It may not have been an intentional decision, but the DCAU goes from the 40s aesthetic to far future in the span of a decade or two of Batman's career.

Yea it’s almost as if Reed’s never heard of the concept of reverse engineering. Humans do that kind of thing all the time to advance faster

I see. I was largely wondering about the comics since I'm also sort of aware there's a Justice League museum and the Justice League seems to be much more involved in the community than the Avengers are so if it is being withheld somehow there has to be a story there.

More importantly, he's essentially giving up about giving anyone else a fair chance to deal with the likes of Kang the Conqueror or Thanos who liberally abuse that shit.

yea this could effectively take out a large chunk of e-waste which would be a real help to climate change

Sue looking hot as fuck here

>which would be a real help to climate change
Enough to off-set flamehead going around heating things up, at least.

Black Panther is literally Doom except he's supposed to be a good guy

I think Doom might be less racist.

In that he looks down on all peoples equally for not being Doom.

>More importantly, he's essentially giving up about giving anyone else a fair chance to deal with the likes of Kang the Conqueror or Thanos who liberally abuse that shit.
Cape comics are terrible for that.

The only time normie countries and armies are allowed to tech up is for stories that portray them as evil for doing so instead of leaving everything to the costumed vigilantes.
Or it ends up all being revealed as a plot by some villain and the anti-superthreat gear ends up being totally forgotten about after that story ends.

At least Doom earned his position through blood and sweat, T'Challa was born into it.

This is why you go Doom

Hey Spider-man heard your Aunt got cancer this time, well I'd help but I hate you so yeah good luck with that.

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He literally has. He came up with a 24 hour cure for Ben's honeymoon.

Read a fucking comic, man.

Hey X-guys, is Elixir both alive and sane at the moment?

That was hilarious when he went around asking the X-Men to cure Aunt May from her bullet wound in OMD
>"Sorry bro we can't possibly do anything about a bullet wound."

He's cured Ben multiple times. Ben usually has to give it up by the end of the comic to save everyone.

Because there's nothing comics do better than retreading the same plotlines.

It's funny how a demon helped Peter.

You too should read comics.

the 1-week-per-year cure was made by the Future Foundation kids back in Hickman's run.
They specifically went for this limited-time cure because they realized Reality don't want t keep Ben permanently human(cfr. ) but one week every year should be "enough"

Have you seen Peter's ass?

>helped

skill>>>>size

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People who want to bitch about shit aren't going to reread it, that's time that can't be spent bitching about shit.

BP being pan-Africanist instead of isolationist could be used as a commentary on how prejudice isn't something that's immediately wiped out, but that newer generations are only slightly more tolerant than older ones (for example, BP doesn't discriminate against non-Wakandans, just non-blacks).
Of course, modern Marvel would never publish that.

>we will never get a BP story where he’s pan african and going against the ever increasing colonization of Africa by the Chinese

As much as I dislike HoX's new mutant-exclusionist status quo for X-men, I have to point out that they do give out Krakoan medicine to the normies--unless that changed in the last couple of issues?

They don't have bread just some weird supposedly edible sponge

>Earth is littered with alien tech
>the existance of aliens is know by the general populace
>superhumans are common
>advanced tech like anti gravity devices and other gizmos are know and actually common to the point of the US government to use it or even costumed thugs and "villains"
>giant killer robots are a federal program
>people in power knows about potentially hostile galactic empires and would be conquerors like Thanos, Kang and other necronic tecno magic-bullshit
>duur hurr science must evolve in it's own pace
Reed is just bad writing given form.

I don't think you read that

>Earth science has to advance at its own pace
Why?

It's funny because this sort of shit actually happens.

And by funny I mean morbid, and by actually happens I mean fuck the light bulb and textile industries for being corrupt shitholes that deserve to burn.

>Reading anything Marvel after Civil War
There's your problem.

TOBA

>Yes Spider-Man, I'll gladly help you cure your aunt of cancer. If Reed won't do it, I'll do to prove that DOOM is better than "Mr. Fantastic"!

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I mean it would probably work, a chance to show-up Richards by doing something benign and life-saving, like when he used his sorcery-science to save Reed's daughters life from a troubled birth.

Superhero comics are a pissbucket of bad writing and contrivance, mostly because they are never allowed to conclude.

Proving once more, that no one is greater than DOOM

its more for the kids. idk if its just picky eaters or easier to chew with baby teeth.

American "bread" and "cheese"

but muh relatability tho...

The Maker and Reed are two halves of the same coin.

The Maker created a utopia in the dome but he couldnt resist coming out of it and fucking the world up to prove himself right.

Reed could have made the earth a utopia but he is too stuck in his "earth must be normal" ways

Remember when Reed made a psychotic cyborg clone of their dead deity friend? And then set it loose on their other friends where it ended up murdering Black Goliath?

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to be fair, it's a cool idea