IDW's Transformers

Barber

The one where they turned the Axalon crew into the Hearts of Iron cast?

Really? A simple ship reference is "shoving" Beast Wars into things? It wasn't even the same Beast Warsy crew.

The movie comics had Jetfire turning to an Axalon-like ship. Was that "shoving" Beast Wars into that as well?

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Also, did you forget that Hearts of Steel started with the Autobots and Decepticons fighting on prehistoric Earth in beastial forms?

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It went wrong when Roberts jumped up his own ass midway through MTMTE. The book became him repeatedly patting himself on the back because he’s oh so clever. He literally made his self insert oc God for fuck sake. It’s not subtle.

I love when people complain about an OC being Primus, because the original Primus was an OC made for the late-run Marvel comics.

This.
MTMTE had alot of really good plot threads and characters and the moment that Dark Cybertron ended they lost every good idea and just decided to make the entire thing a brainless attempt to pander.
Whole great ideas thrown out, characters killed both literally and metaphorically, plot threads just shredded, a literal planet of mary sues etc.
At least IDW almost went under in a single year. I severly doubt they'll course correct considering how bad and low budget the stuff currently running is, but fuck Roberts specifically.

>a literal planet of mary sues
?????????????

Not worse than Drift planet. I think.

>When did it stop being good?
2012.

I have no problem with it being an oc. The fact that it is the author's literal self insert though? That's a bit weird.

There is a panel in one of the earlier lost light arcs where Rung is huge and has "THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS" plastered over top of it. "Not subtle" is an understatement.

>Following Dreamwave Productions' bankruptcy in 2005, IDW picked up the rights

Was it the psychologist?

Yes, Rung.

I still like it, I only ignore the ugly ass redesigns of the movies.

i still don't know what planet you're talking about

I only started to read the IDWs and I am not even don with mtmte yet, which comics are currently even airing aside from the Ghostbusters thing?

Circle of Light, I think?

What happened to the human characters again?

Which human characters?
There's an ongoing going on. Currently at #12.

Let's see, Spike is a robot hater, Hunter Onion was offed by Sunstreaker (screwing up the stuff that Furman did) Abraham Dante was offed too. Verity..I think Verity died in the other Wrecker book.

Tbh I'm sick of the nonstop G1 wanking and we should get more Beast Wars-centric stories

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I'd be in for some Animated stories, myself

Nah, she got to live and returned home.

I would gladly take either of these. Don't get me wrong, I really like G1, but we're starved for more of Animated or Beast Wars.

After Dark Cybertron, when their plans started getting invaded by Hasbro's toyline stories like Combiner Wars, Titans Return and so on, plus the forced crossovers with things like GI Joe and the disaster that was Transformers vs Visionaries which I dare you to find someone who was looking forward to. On top of that, the "social agendas" started showing up way too heavily and the writing went from "relationships aren't a thing" to "EVERYONE IS GAY YAY FOR GAY."

Thundercracker is a bit of an incongruous case too. It was established that he was fascinated by Earth culture but at the same time didn't really understand it, Earth culture later being shown as simple social interaction more than anything. This is later shown when other Cybertronians find his writing stilted and unrealistic, so what went from a Cybertronian trying to understand humanity changed to a Cybertronian just being a shitty artist, and that just doesn't impact as much.

Barber's hateboner for Optimus also got real tiring real quickly. It wasn't "deep", it was just pathetic.

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Wow. They changed a guy who while willing to fight for the Decepticon cause but is having doubts about it to...a shitty artist.

Admittingly Thundercracker going native was fun, but they took it too far.

Was there ever any person in this universe who genuinely thought that crossovers ever improved anything? I fucking hate that shit and how every comic is doomed to do it at least once. It always fucks with the pacing, brings in characters I currently don't care about and if I would like the other series it crosses with I would read it to begin with. I would honestly always skip any crossover arcs if they weren't story relevant too, so you can't even do that and I also want Megatron to fuck me in the ass and I don't get that either.

Wouldn't mind having him like ditching the Decepticons and living on Earth like a hermit, observing humanity from a distance because he's interested but....damn, what were they thinking?

Especially when you consider what they kept crossing over with. Outdated franchises that hadn't seen the light of day in decades such as ROM, Visionaries and M.A.S.K., and fucking GI Joe of all things which IDW promptly ran into the ground due to all the difficulties involved with writing GI Joe in a modern setting.

Unfortunately, that's the nature of the beast, man. Crossover happened? Stop what you're doing and tie-in your work with the crossover. Can't have the crossover event be self contained, no no.

And Action Man of all things. Nobody even asked for a ROM reboot (hell, Marvel did nothing with the Spaceknights for the years they held on to it), no one outside of like South East Asia in the 80's remembered MASK and Visionaries and the only thing I remembered from Micronauts is that one of their toy was used for Kotetsu Jeeg's toy.

>Wouldn't mind having him like ditching the Decepticons and living on Earth like a hermit, observing humanity from a distance because he's interested

He WAS doing that for a while, then he got more involved.

Were there even any statistics that proved that crossovers brought in more readers, like, ever? I wouldn't even wonder if there was a slight decline, considering that breaking the flow of a story and forcing in a ton of new characters and a sudden extra arc that has nothing to do with the mainplot is likely to exhaust many readers, especially more casual ones.

if numbers mattered, IDW's transformers comics would have closed around early last year.

>all the difficulties involved with writing GI Joe in a modern setting
Please, they didn't even try. They just wrote what they wanted and didn't even care when it came crashing down.

>'Oh yeah, robutts!'
>'Who the fuck are these guys why should I care?'
>'Kup, oh no!'
(I swear, it was like the second or third time Kup got killed.)

It came crashing down and it hurts inside.

Nevermind that on the Transformers side of things Barber became crazy and just started writing absolutely insane stuff while propping the new characters, which more often than not turned out to be female, but that's besides the point, Barber can't write.

Considering 9 times out of 10, he's just putting out continuity fires..I guess it took its toll on him.

And by continuity fires, I mean "things that some folks complain about"

That whole "Dead Universe" Gorlam Prime nega core whatever thing still confuses me.

Barber made sense of the Bay continuity, it surely took a toll. As added insult, the Bumblebee prequel was rendered entirely non-canon to that film.
The whole deal with Hearts of Steel and Centurion and...
And those folks turned out to be so annoying, Hasbro tries to ignore them.

They started hiring fanfiction writers

You mean the "Oh yeah, Hearts of Steel isn't an Elseworlds story...sort off.." thing?

All Hail Megatron, The shitty prequel series by Flint Dille and Mike Costa are the only truly bad IDW books.

Well that and the new horrible continuity.

And of course, a lot of the dumb stuff comes from said fanfiction writer.

>based on a shitty toy
"mommy I can't figure out the robot, gimme a funko pop!"

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Well, it's either fanfiction writers or Furman.

I'm not sure which is worse.

I dunno. I kinda liked the first half of All Hail Megatron. It's like a major fuck you to the Bay movies where the military could take on these advanced cybernetic race.but in early AHM, the military got creamed hard.

>Scott turns out to be the most consistent writer aside from Furman.
>Has written for TV before.
Roberts is a fanfiction writer and Barber doubly so.

From what I understand, they rebooted this year. How does this new continuity differ from the old?

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I'm honestly not sure why people dislike All Hail Megatron.

I mean I don't love it, but I don't hate it. Would watch a movie version of it.

Well, I was referring to Roberts when I said "most of the stupid shit comes from the fanfic writer" (sin gular)

The reboot is set in Pre-War, moves a bunch of post-war characters and personalities from the old continuity into the pre-war timeframe and even in a new setting it's just kind of weird.

Plus it's moving too slow and not going anywhere. Windblade being a major presence is not helping.

I kinda liked how it started but Windblade just rubbed me the wrong way.

Eh I liked the ROM crossover it was fun and the Dire Wraiths make for good TF enemies.

As for Marvel AFAIk they just had ROM guest starring in things and then lost the rights to him and now they're pissed about it because James Gunn wants to make a movie about ROM and suddenly a bunch of Marvel writers like ROM. They even tried blocking Hasbro from TMing the words Dire Wraith and Space Knight but failed. Hasbro won't ever let go of ROM unless Disney buys Hasbro but pffft I don't think they care much for now.

As she often does.

Windblade's problem is she's mandated to be hyper-competent no matter what setting she's in, and in a setting where stuff has to gone wrong, having her around is a real problem.

Because of Mike Costa and what he said about the Transformers.

And what was that?

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It's like whenever I see her, I just wanted to ask "Why are you here?"

Representation, since Arcee being a perma-lesbian/transgender icon now wouldn't fly, Chromia's too D-list to work, Nautica's just a boat and nobody knows what to do with Elita-1 anymore.

>Arcee being a perma-lesbian/transgender
I hate everything about that sentence.

Same, but IDW handled things in the original continuity as well as a greased pig in a bathtub, and she's pretty much presented as lesbian at the first step in the new continuity with a single sentence, so it's just the lot she's been handed now.

I loved all the crossover stuff and thought they were really fun and developed well except for Visionaries.
Windblade is a brand celebration character. Her entire existence, fanpoll design, and inclusion in the ongoing general cast of the franchise was to celebrate Transformers hitting 30 uninterrupted years of production.

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>most convoluted ‘lore’ ever
WTF?!?

The Circle of Light got rekt on multiple occasions. That's far from being mary sues.

"Fuck you Micky Bay!!" fanboys are the only people that liked it. Anyone hoping for actualy good stories, character and dialogue though were left wanting.

>and fucking GI Joe of all things which IDW promptly ran into the ground due to all the difficulties involved with writing GI Joe in a modern setting.
Wut? IDW's Joe had been going a good few years and had NO problem with a modern setting. Why would it?

Costa is either "psh only nerds care about canon" guy or "Transformers aren't like real people, they don't LOVE like humans, man"

That was Hasbro trying to breathe new life in some mothballed franchises and using Transformers to piggyback off of. This was also when everyone was tried to force the shared universe thing.

They should've just tried launching all those properties in their own comics but they probably wouldn't have caught on anyway since IDW can't write anything anymore.

The second one.

By the way, Costa factualy wrote shit like energon and human emotions and more in his very first issue. So it was clear he was being petty and flat out lying cuz he was mad at nerds not liking his book online.

Roberts has literally written fan fiction. It’s still around on the internet. As far as I know Barber hasn’t.

>That was Hasbro trying to breathe new life in some mothballed franchises and using Transformers to piggyback off of

I honestly feel bad in delighting that it failed miserably.

I mean, instead of piggybacking..why not try to have them be their own thing? From what I saw, they try to cram everything in and some even had like an established history..and they don't get to see said established history. I mean, newcomers don't know who the fuck Baron Ironblood is or why is it a surprise that Joe Colton is Baron Ironblood....just to give an example here. They should've just kept them separate, be their own thing and not tied to any of the established stuff because then you have to retcon a few things to explain why the Micronauts are suddenly tied to the Transformers.

IDW Joe sells around 6k an issue. It was once Marvel's top selling comic, even over Claremont's Uncanny X-Men, in it's prime.

The rebooted Transformers is now selling in the 10k region already.

It's not the modern setting that's killing it or comics in general, it's the fanfic tier writers across almost every corporate franchise comic out today. Big corporate publishers don't need to hire competent writers because comics aren't their business model anymore. IDW itself has lost most of it's capital by financing media adaptions of their only IPs. So they hire their friends and people with large twitter followings.

Comics are just an ad for the toys, movies and Hot Topic t-shirts, so they don't need to make money by themselves. They're just a monthly ad for the franchise.

For the IDW asskissers who challenge those numbers: the came from May's sales reports from Diamond. comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2019/2019-05.html

Arguably Transformers is better off than some other franchises. Finding people willing to write or draw Transformers is not hard at all, the fan circles have plenty of talented people. They just have to be careful about the quality control, and dunno, pay them?
It was far, far worse during the AHM, ongoing days since during that time the nepotism was beyond obvious.

I hate this about female characters in general. Not all but most are just too much simply either the voice of reason or too competent, regardless of the series and it isn't a new phenomenon. I guess writers were wary to depict women flawed or something or too much generic wishfulfillment involved, but whatever the reason is it always makes such characters annoying as fuck or boring as shit at best.

>What went wrong?
>They wrote a comic based on a shitty toy with the most convoluted ‘lore’ ever for a dumb toy line.

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>and nobody knows what to do with Elita-1 anymore.

the reboot comic actually uses her fairly well, better than everything else that has happened to her since her inception in The Search For Alpha Trion.

we need Thunderblast back.

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What was it about? It better be gangbang and other porn.

I unironically enjoyed a lot of the new comics like mtmte and shit, the only stuff that put me off were the damn crossovers, but people already mentioned them a bunch of times here.

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This pretty much, I had my doubts but so far she's been a highlight of the reboot.

>origin: Kaon

and then they made her from another planet entirely.

All I was saying was that their GI Joe, before the crossovers (well, a few #1's before the crossovers) was pretty good.

>>Following Dreamwave Productions' bankruptcy in 2005, IDW picked up the rights
Still wish Dreamwave had lasted another year or two and at least got to finish their stories and pay everyone.

It's basically a PG-13 version of the Sunbow cartoon with more focus on the Decepticons, and a premise based on them wrecking Earth with no Autobots to stop them, but compared with some of the things IDW did later, there's nothing inherently bad about any of them.

Costa didn't write All Hail Megatron, he wrote the book that followed it.

A city of origin is the most unimportant thing you could change, no one cares

>It's like whenever I see her, I just wanted to ask "Why are you here?"
Especially with things like Transformers/Star Trek or that Bumblebee comic, it seems IDW are trying to retcon Windblade into being one of the original 1984 Autobots.

>Arcee being a perma-lesbian/transgender icon now
Is every version of Transformers going to be forced to copy that debacle now?

>Windblade is a brand celebration character. Her entire existence, fanpoll design, and inclusion in the ongoing general cast of the franchise was to celebrate Transformers hitting 30 uninterrupted years of production.
30 years was over 5 years ago now, they don't have to keep trying to force her into everything years afterwards.

I think it matters in this context.

IDW Joe made some strange choices, but there are some good stories in the first and second 'seasons', and the third wasn't as bad as it's reputation, but something may have gone wrong for it to end so quickly and abruptly, then the fourth 'season' bombed so badly the main book was cancelled 8 issues into a planned 12-issue story. IDW gave up on any GI Joe comic except Hama's series after that, until the 'Hasbro Universe' gave them reason to start again, and they gave it to an actual socialist to write woke Current Year GI Joe. That bombed twice, and the upcoming reboot is going to be #Resist GI Joe because IDW are that stupid and don't learn from their mistakes.

Wasn't that the first proper ongoing? The one where the good artist previously involved with the comics then swapped out for godawful Bay-esque designs?

Yeah, Don Figueroa. Apparently it was on his own volition as well.

AHM

>I'm honestly not sure why people dislike All Hail Megatron.
>NOT MUH FURMAN!!!
That was literally the argument. And then when Furman wrote something they didn't like everything he wrote retroactively became shit.

>"psh only nerds care about canon" guy
Whoever this is, is my new hero.

What did Furman write anyway? Regeneration One?

When IDW first got the license, he wrote the minis setting up the status quo. Then that mean, mean, mean Shane McCarthy came along and ruined it.

I find kinda funny that people thought Roberts was Furman's sucessor when it was in fact Roche.

He did most of the MarvelUK G1 comics, and the last 1/3rd of the MarvelUS G1 run. He's basically been a go-to guy since.

He's also a bloodthirsty maniac who supports West Ham Football Club. Other than his catchphrases ('Furmanisms', which tend to stand out in his writing. "Surplus to Requirements" is a particularly famous one.) he's most infamous for his stance on female Transformers.

Which is to say, he doesn't understand why robots would actually *need* genders. Hence why we got the first IDW Arcee origin.

Based Knight put at least one Furmanism in Bumblebee.

Finally, a good reason to hate him.

A lot of things, he's kinda like the Jack Kirby of TF comics in a way, for lack of a better comparison.

That said as good as he can be when he's terrible he's fucking terrible. He's almost the definition of "Big name old writer beloved by fans, but nobody has the balls to stop him from doing stupid shit because of it."

Verity had seen enough shit and got to go home. Killing of hunter was fucking bullshit though after all the shit him and sunstreaker went though

only three issues into the new continuity. so far I like it.

Yeah, it's not terrible, it's rather good but damn, it is a slow burn.

Thunderblast was unironically an amazing character. She was a sexed up catty bitch, but she was also immensely intelligent and plenty dangerous.

Bitch survived Cybertron. *Megatron and Starscream* didn't survive Cybertron and Megatron was wearing the guy who makes Galactus his bitch as a suit and Starscream Xanatos Gambited God.

When furman is paired with a good artist and shows a little restraint he can still hang out some great stories. Shit I was watching the finale of beast wars recent and it goes full Furman in the first line
>"I am alpha and omega" says Megatron as he glasses the surface of earth

Never mind slow burns. But I suppose it's because I'm binging as opposed to reading it monthly, I could see that as a problem.

Honestly that's a bit of the problem of modern comic ingeneral I suppose, everything is read like a graphic novel split into monthlies so that you feel like you might as well wait for the trade.

It's like weekly manga. You just wait a month and just binge five weeks of chapters

She's Hasbro's current main female pick.

I'm sure NOT MUH FURMAN had a small percentage, but the actual dislike was that nearly all the then-current plotlines characterizations, and world building suddenly got dropped completely or were contradicted, to the point where there was debate and confusion if AHM was full-on continuity reboot.

Being fair Hasbro already does that. Several G1 generics and even human vehicles get retconned into having been characters from later eras all the time. I know Lugnut, from Animated, got put in G1 retroactively at one point.

If you stop and think about it, it's odd. Transformers fandom sperged out for years about AHM being the worst because it was a soft reboot that replaced Furman and dropped his plots for something more familiar. Years later, the Roberts/Barber books brought in a new audience that 'cancelled' Furman for his Arcee origin and stance on female Transformers, yet the fandom is still just as salty about AHM for the same reasons it always was.

There isn't a single artist I monitored or followed the last 5 years that doesn't draw TF stuff all the time I can't even watch or read anything without this stuff popping up. Fate simply wants me to read all that shit doesn't it? Guess looking for the comics now, I didn't touch any TF stuff since that one cartoon I liked as kid and I don't even know which one it was.

you mean IDW comics?

Yes. I guess I will start with them.

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Some of these are quite decent.

Man thanks user, I needed that shit.

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later events don't make AHM a good or well-written story

it's just some bogan's fantasy of what he'd do if Hollywood came calling on him to reboot Transformers

hell at the time it wasn't even clear if the pre-war titles IDW were putting out were linked to their other titles - they could easily have run three separate lines, continued Furman at a later date (it was only short minis anyway) or had AHM be a total reboot, but they chose to try and force it into a continuity that was entirely written in a different style and actually used the "robots in disguise" subtitle for once in the franchise's life, and then instead of admitting they'd fucked up and calling it quits, they doubled down on AHM by trying to retcon the worst parts of it to fit with what people had been buying before

the very worst part? they did it to improve sales, and sales were exactly the same, because it's a captive market

Those are all reasons for fans who were reading from the start of IDW Transformers to dislike AHM. None of that is anything that newer readers from the Roberts/Barber books would care anything about though. It's like they've absorbed the older fans' anger about the soft reboot that moved away from a run they're also angry about.

A cycle of anger.

They tried to do a deep redemption arc for Megatron to toss things up but never got past the "stands around and feels sad for himself" part so it was less meaningful and more of a wet fart.

>Tried to do a deep redemption arc
>By giving him to Roberts

Could be worse. Barber...

Very useful, THANKS

I see Hearts of Darkness was so bad that everyone has dumped it down the memory hole

That goes back to the shared universe bullshit. Hasbro or IDW figured that if it was all tied together, you would have to get all the issues of everything.

Instead people just dumped the whole mess.

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what were they expecting?

That's one cute Arachnia.

Except that's not what happened at all. IDW stated at the very beginning that you WOULDN'T need to keep up with each individual franchise's books, and they followed through with that. You don't need to, and you never did.

The only crossover books you needed to read were the ones that were their own titles - Revolution, Revolutionaries, and First Strike. Even then, Revolutionaries was only needed for First Strike and could be skipped if you were fine with First Strike's summary of it.

IDW created the Hasbroverse simply because they wanted to have fun with it, and they did. Hasbro's only hand in it was giving it the OK.

>Didn't need to keep up with the books
Bullshit.

Was this you?

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When they took the science out of Transformers and made them into giant metal magical ponies.
>Always with the bloody magic..

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Provide evidence to the contrary.

The original cartoon had magic. Are you a dumbdumb?

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user IDW was unironically one of the most science-focused TF runs in fucking forever and it was fucking terrible.

TF was always full of magic and demigods and multiversal abominations.

Star Scream give this GIF the Decepticon seal of approval!

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Protip: Transformers vs Visionaries was a Transformers book.

I'm more of a G1 lore fan me self..

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Science is good for a scientist.

G1 still had Unicron and magic out the ass.

Crossovers aren't meant to create new readership, theyre meant to make fans of X become also fans of Y, then buy those comics too.
Thats why Marvel has had Spider-man guest appear in every comic since the 70s, but never keeps him on a dedicated team either

it did take out a lot of fantastical elements, maybe some myths and legends should've never been fully revealed, the ambiguity is what made them interesting.

Well I've been reading the series in order, and right now I just started Lost Light, and I still like it so far.

Then He got a Dog, his girl, and maybe behind the scenes a pretender body built from his CNA, now he and marisa may have hybrid human cybertronian kids

Salary cuts because Megatron needs a new trophy to hide the hole in his room
>youtube.com/watch?v=EXkICbwSnuw

>and right now I just started Lost Light, and I still like it so far.

just wait user...you'll be disappointed soon enough.

Nothing about that Unicron was magic, mainly since he was created by an organic and NOT some giant space ghost who made himself a body.
Then there's the super computer Vector-Sigma that programed sentience into the Transformers.

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just when they went to medieval times. everyone was using that shit then.

Well, there was that one Quintesson that got banished for using magic

Basically Primacron 2.0.

>IDW stated at the very beginning that you WOULDN'T need to keep up with each individual franchise's books,

I'm sure they did state that but they were still hoping for that Marvel universe action where people would buy all the books from everything because there were little details and backstory tidbits littered through out.

The real result was people saw a Transformers book that was cluttered with crap from other franchises and it was a real turn off. It wasn't just a crossover that returned everything back to normal when it ended. It was a continuing mess where more and more weird character were mixing their own backstory with Transformers. You couldn't separate anything.

he went to a medieval place too. THE MADMAN'S PARADISE

and Grimlock was a waiter.

Granted, the Primacron origin did somewhat got retconned....in the Japanese continuity.

Why is there so much Megatron porn in fanart I always considered him one of the purer bots.

He's big and imposing. Plus that last thing you said.

because of FUSION CANNON CUM

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Including Transformers!

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I know but it never worked for me. I either know about the series to begin with and read it anyway (before or after the comic I am currently reading) or I don't care. I personally also think that the way in which the new series get introduced never leave any big positive lasting impressions. Especially since they usually fuck the pacing and continuitity so the only thing I feel for them is hate, so crossovers make me actually less likely to check the series out since the first impressions I had od these were in a negative context.
It would be different maybe if they managed to integrate a crossover so well and slowburnish that the characters felt native to the main story, but people never do it like that.

holy heck how did I miss that one

and of course, it sucks the Quintessons never showed up ever despite being hinted at the entire time.

Why were the IDW comics so fucking obsessed with character-assassinating Optimus Prime? They had the whole cast angsting and moaning about how maybe he never really was a Prime and questioning if he was the greatest monster in their history. Except they were doing it while he was being the sole fucking actor doing anything to save them from dozens of crises, while they themselves were ACTIVELY CAUSING AND ESCALATING THE PROBLEMS.

It was like they were building up to the moment somebody called them all out on how it was they that were a disappointment to the Autobots and not Optimus, but they just forgot to write that part. The last fucking issue has the people who, in part, CAUSED the Unicron crisis actively questioning the wisdom of Optimus after he single-handedly stopped it. It's baffling

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Why can I recognize every damn Transformer and remember them by name but never ever learned all of the names of my 16-24 classmates of any of my classes after years of school? It was the same in university later.

The previous IDW run is good for reading.

My favorite periods were the "-ations" era and the Phase 2.

I liked how Furman created the universe and how and Roberts and Barber expanded the history and culture of Cybertron and the Earth respectively.

I here to my opinion on shared universe Hasbro:

Although I agree that Revolution was not great, Revolution was a good crossover, and it and First Strike were better than previous Transformers events (Chaos, Combiner Wars and Titans Return) and about the other comics that came out after Revolution: Revolutionaries and Rom were great, GI Joe and Micronauts were good and only Mask and Visionaries were bad . Besides Optimus Prime and TAAO have a good quality (OP has the same quality as exRID, so the crossovers did not affect anything and TAAO was considered better than the mini-series of Windblade), in fact all the comics are good to and the only one that may have gotten worse was LL and was the only one unaffected by the crossovers. And the comics from other franchises do not affect the comics of Transformers, you're not required to read them to understand the comics of Transformers, and Revolutionaries is practically a comic of Transformers because of the 4 main characters 3 are characters of Transformers ex-RID, and also have two Transformers (and the writer is Jon Barber). Even the GI Joe characters that appear in Optimus Prime are pretty much the same characters that were part of EDC, just changed the name of the organization and they have GI Joe stickers on some of the military vehicles. And about the crossovers only Revolution and First Strike you have to read to understand Barber's comics (although Revolution is not 100% mandatory but your comics contains some references to it) and they are good.

The crossover with Rom is great and the with Visionaries is awful. And Unicron it was a comic of Transformers since the characters of other franchises only appeared as extras.

About the shared universe comics Hasbro was the following that happened from the interviews I read:

The IDW began to launch Rom comics and Micronauts and Barber in a conversation with their authors began to talk about how they played with different characters of Hasbro together and then they had the idea of creating a shared universes that neither Marvel and DC that has Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman together in the same world and each one has different origins, styles and genres, and it would all start with a crossover. Hasbro's only warrant was that they should make three annual crossovers and the second year should be about humans invading Cybertron.

You read exRID after Revolution and the Transformers tie-ins (which was better than the Transformers events) and then you had to read Optimus Prime and Revolutionaries after First Strike and then continue reading Optimus Prime until you get to Unicron and only. You were not required to read the other comics (there were Revolutionaries you had to read but it was a Transformers comic).

There were Quintessons in IDW, but a curiosity more than anything.

It’s kind of a problem when you have people who want to write grey morality because it’s war and not knowing a good way to handle that because by Hasbro mandate Optimus will always be the hero. Not that the idea of a flawed Optimus is not appealing but really Primal and Animated incarnations showed a good version of a heroic but flawed prime maybe not morally but they were not the savior. It also comes down to playing favorites. Writers pets or interesting ones stay alive while the mainstays die. Give Furman credit he always was willing to kill off his faves when he felt it was right.

Because bullying him is fun.

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>Optimus: I will annex Earth!
>Aileron: I'll escalate the situation by threatening the White House.
Gee, why is Optimus so bad and Aileron so perfect?

>Autobots
"We must destroy the Earth!"
>Optimus
"Oh shit, oh fuck, gotta think of something... Uh, Earth is a legal colony of Cybertron, so it has rights and you can't destroy it!"
>The same Autobots
"OPTIMUS YOU WARMONGERING HEARTLESS FIEND! WERE YOU EVER EVEN A PRIME? HOW CAN YOU CONQUER THESE INNOCENT PEOPLE WE WERE ABOUT TO LET DIE"

Autobots were unironically right. I would have nuked this backwater planet aeons ago.

I thought Optimus annexed Earth because it kept doing things like being targeted by Decepticons, or allying itself with Decepticons deceiving them, partly due to past dealings and partly due to the ultra energon Shockwave seeded it with.

It struck me as a "for its own good" deal, one he was justified in doing because humans couldn't be trusted to handle things themselves.

Poor Optimus, nobody loves him anymore.

I don't remember the specific crisis but there was something happening to Earth at that exact moment and the Autobots were refusing to help

Are these the comics where they made all female Transformer into trannies?

Not ALL of them, only 3 (technically 4), but yes.

Simon Furman can't tolerate genders in alien robots.

If by all you mean 2, 3 tops, then yes.

>4
who?

How? You mean that they were all males that got remodified into females? Who was that again?

Arcee, Anode, Lugnut and that tranny from Sunstreaker's memories during that period he was stuck in a memory loop in pieces at the bottom of a gorge on Cybertron.

Lug, not Lugnut, fucking phone.

That Lugnut part is so amusing taking in consideration the existence of Clobber.

fujos are a disgrace

MTMTE went from my favorite monthly comic to my most hated monthly comic in record time. I could hardly believe it was the same book.

>Clobber

The Grimlock Titan Master?

I guess they had the name lying around.
This cutie. Apparently, she is still Lugnut in some countries.

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Why can't I be a cool strong robot instead of being this shit. I hate human bodies and our lifespan is way too short as well, I can't even play all the games I am interested in my lifetime.

So they named that thing Clobber, not Lugnut?
Well, I'm less mad about it now. (Still a little mad, though)

Alright. Though, I don't see anything wrong.

I still don't know what the fuck happened.

Me neither but I usually don't say it because I liked all of it and don't want people to call me a fag.

You liked LL? And I don't mean the easy bait of Anode and Lug, but why did you like it?

Writer's head was so far up his ass he thought he was above reproach.

I unironically forgot these two even existed by now till they were mentioned in this thread. I just liked the story and worldbuilding in general as well as characters and interactions, save for a few maybe that were annoying fags and a smaller group of bots that were simply not really interesting, but these were usually the ones without much screentime anyway. Also, no humans, which is always a huge plus for me. Maybe I should also admit I didn't read any related comics for ages before I started with this again, so I didn't pick up retcons and stuff that might have annoyed me if my memory of the older series was fresher.

I'm taking it as a whole separate thing too, but I had issues with the villains and Nautica's characterization.

Robert's getting high off his ego, listening to the tumblr/twitter crowd that only cares about shipping and not having a good editor telling him no that idea is genuinely retarded, do it better.

I still think MTMTE still has potiential in it, that if they decide to adapt, could be improved on and be even better than what it was based on.

I wish Whirl had more screentime I love that fucker, but he seemed to be rather unpopular. Fujos (since they seem to be the only ones ever drawing shit) confirmed having shit taste again.

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Nah, fujos love him too. Not as much as Rodimus, Megatron, Cyclonus/Tailgate, but he is pretty popular.

I always pictured Whirl having Energon Shockblast's voice.

I always heard Bender's voice in my head.

>IDW created the Hasbroverse simply because they wanted to have fun with it, and they did. Hasbro's only hand in it was giving it the OK.
That may not be entirely true, Hasbro wanted to create a movie 'universe', and at the least, these books were serving as attempts to modernize their 1980s brands and tie them all together, so there would have been some intent to inspire the movies.

>that if they decide to adapt
God I would kill for an anime of that. Fuck movies and that crap and how everything looks there.

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I mantain they should have gone the DC Animated movies route with LotW. Go for broke and start with the -tion series.

Those robots were just more memorable and were better friends

True, not even shitposting. At least I could relate to many of them, unlike with classmates.

I personally always assumed Energon Shockblast was retroactively Whirl painting himself purple and running around with Shockwave's corpse glued to his arm as a gun.

Would explain why he's a lunatic who transforms into a pile of nothing.

Huh, there's a lot of bitching about Windblade in this thread. As someone who's only exposure to Windblade is the new IDW series, Cyberverse and the Combiner Wars ONA, is she really that bad? She's got such a cool design and it's not like she's showing up the boys or anything.

She peaks in IDW where she's a diplomat hilariously out of her depth. Every other interpretation was kinda garbage.

Is it bad if I am gay for Starscream? I can't help it.

Nothing. It had its highs and lows, but overall it was great.

Same.

How about Shockwave, Shockblast and Nitro Zeus being brothers?

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Furman's IDW was good. Not excellent or anything but inoffensive and readable. His various miniseries before they started ongoings, and the Spotlight one shots, were a good time. The trouble started when Furman's plans were cut short, he was forced to wrap up his story in a rush when it was far from the finish line, and they had the balls to replace him with an utter void of talent named Shane McCarthy. The introduction of Drift was the event horizon from which IDW never recovered.

The minimization of Furman had nothing to do with the quality of his work or sales number. It was done because he did an issue in which Arcee, originally a genderless robot like all Cybertronians, was converted into a female by Jhiaxus, triggering kvetching from the usual suspects about how Furman was shitting on trannies. From that point on it became an irredeemable shitshow of Roberts making every other Transformer gay, a reeee storyline where Sentinel Prime became Drumpf, issues and series done by untalented female writers and artists that The Allspark raved over despite being absolute shit.

Fuck IDW basically. Furman is still the only person ever to have written decent Transformers comics. This whole fiasco and the nastiness it produced in the numerous deranged leftoid manchildren in the fanbase was a big part of what pushed me away from the franchise.

Also Roberts cheats on his wife.

G1 had no lore. It was a tepid shallow toy commercial made on the cheap by disinterested writers and animators.

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I find Bender's voice isn't as psychotic, like i always picture him sounding really unhinged and unstable.

I'd say a full on tv show would be better.

like make a Death of Optimus Prime movie/OVA and go from there.

question what would be the plot points that should stay and be removed or what you'd add in if you wrote the MTMTE adaptation.

Well I meant an anime tv series. Unless you mean CGI stuff. Could work as well as long as it stays comiclike and "colorful" instead of them trying to make the bots and backgrounds look too realistic or alien.

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what series would fit that criteria?

Holy shit this is fucked, people that allow this deserve to be gassed.
Yes I am slow and only started reading this one a few weeks ago.

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It gets more fucked up.

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So comfy.

Ah

Yeah 2D haha drawn animation or bust

RiD had alright animation.

They fucked up by giving the FUrman lead-ation series the short stick and doing AHM (which only has Guido and that one issue with best boi E.J Su on art).

I'm glad we got Maximum Dinobots and Roach got do to Last Stand of the Wreckers. After that I stopped buying read the odd storytime posted here.

I liked how relatable Rodimus was.

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He's just the best.

In totality it was kind of an awkward and stilted story; the odd conclusion of the -ation series was the beginning of it, and though there were good stories and arcs after that the overall life of it got lost in soapy tedium with the expected climax delayed into a fizzle.

Last Stand of the Wreckers is probably the one and only thing I'd recommend out of it given how everything else shaped up.

Roche did right by Furman.

>G1
More accurate to say G1 cartoon.
Although there was an episode where a literal wizard was a character, because several characters went back in time to medieval ages. And Starscream was a ghost in two episodes.

THat user doesn't actually have much grasp of G1 lore. Unicron being a multiversal god is literally some of his oldest lore, and G1 went on for well past and beyond the original G1 cartoon.

Which user? I replied to three of them.

Honestly all of them.

Fair enough.

It really was.

If his "solo" had been more focused on that and not just being the old comic rebranded it would have been great.

He deserved so much better.

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For me , I could no longer handle IDW's obvious hatred for Optimus Prime.

Something happened in the series where there was something that happened where Optimus Prime went from "inspiring leader and legendary hero", to "morally gray warmonger and heir to a corrupt lineage of corrupt leaders that are fake, and everything is fake".

Which makes NO fucking sense. We SAW Orion Pax , broken, near dead, and without hope, have the TRUE MATRIX appear before him, and rebuild him into Optimus Prime. He became far stronger and more powerful aside from being rebuilt.

It's like however took editorial command decided to forget that. Prime would never forget that- that one day, the Matrix showed supernatural powers, that let him know that he was CHOSEN by the fucking Planet.

It's like if at the point of death, a giant cross appears, then Jesus manifests, heals your bullet holes, then also lets you grow a few inches, and lets you know he likes you, and you're still like "Naw....musta been like...natural growth spurt".

The writer had this anti-religion thing going on.

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Hello!

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how are things?

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Shocked no one hasn't actually fucking said WHY All Hail Megatron was reviled when it came out. Guess it shows how everything post Dying of the Light/Cancellation of RiD-TF was.

But to answer the poster's question as to why people hated AHM:

1. While pre-AHM IDW Transformers was a dumpster fire, a lot of people still held faith that Simon Furman would pull it together given the number of subplots he had going on. All Hail Megatron only happened because IDW was in deep sales trouble and decided to radically retool the TF comic to pander to people who were not happy with Furman's super fucking slow burn "inflitration" storyline and wanted a more traditional comic where everyone fought openly and disliked the human characters Furman created. So by chasing after casual fans, they pissed off the Furman fans who liked what he was doing.

2. All Hail Megatron basically do a good amount of breaking of the continuity that Furman had set up for the franchise: the "secret war" element of the Infiltration protocals for combat for the Transformers, the absence of the Matrix, Cybertron being uninhabitable and that Transformers would die if they were there for even a short length of time, and characters in evergreen designs and characters/plotlines disregarded to have iconic characters up and about (like Kup) and disregarding the status quo in the last Furman mini-series as far as cliffhangers going unresolved.

It broke continuity so badly that IDW had to expand AHM to about 3-4 issues and several additional one-shots/minis to retcon shit to make everything compatible and make sense. And even then, it didn't work well.

3. Drift; besides the obvious Mary Sue/fanfic nature of the character, Hasbro pissed fans off by not only pushing him hard in merchandise, but also saying that Wheeljack had been embargoed from getting any new figures made of him, because (to paraphrase Hasbro), they didn't want two white racing cars and Wheeljack as a result, wasn't going to be getting any new action figures made of him or promoted in merch as Drift was his replacement.

4. The ending was bullshit, as we didn't get a proper final battle between Megatron and Prime and Starscream IIRC basically saving Megatron like a battered wife.

5. Shortly after AHM came out, Last Stand of the Wreckers came out and it basically overshadowed AHM even though it was a throwaway book IDW didn't think would be important or popular with readers.

It was probably the drive to make people feel "we have to give them something they've never seen before, something to subvert their expectations!", and wow did they go too far.

They also made a point to write Optimus as being a realist rather than believing the Matrix was holy, despite the fact he EXPERIENCED it being holy, of sorts. Of course that painted a target mark on his head for everybody who did believe in the Matrix believing he was just trying to manipulate people, despite the fact he was basically forced to do it otherwise there would be complete and utter chaos because all cybertronians are reckless assholes who'll raise hell otherwise.

I hated how they painted Optimus as being horrible for having to make decisions he legitimately had no choice in.

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For me the fundamental problem of AHM was inexplainable both outside and inside the comic focus on Earth. Decepticons kind of "win" then they just muck about

>3. Drift; besides the obvious Mary Sue/fanfic nature of the character, Hasbro pissed fans off by not only pushing him hard in merchandise, but also saying that Wheeljack had been embargoed from getting any new figures made of him, because (to paraphrase Hasbro), they didn't want two white racing cars and Wheeljack as a result, wasn't going to be getting any new action figures made of him or promoted in merch as Drift was his replacement.
What? Drift got his first toy in 2010, Wheeljack got a new toy the following year, and has had more toys and merchandise since, despite Drift being in one of the movies.
And as has been said many times before, fans got outraged that Hasbro were making a toy of the new writer's OC immediately, and started all the Mary Sue/Poochie complaints before AHM even started. His role in the story is fairly small, and few of their complaints are based on actual fact, the only part that's true is "anime tropes". Who actually cares about that enough to get outraged? Sometimes people just want to hate something and can't admit they were wrong.

>5. Shortly after AHM came out, Last Stand of the Wreckers came out and it basically overshadowed AHM even though it was a throwaway book IDW didn't think would be important or popular with readers.
This was far more of a problem for Costa's Transformers book. The 'main' book was being overshadowed by a mini, and he got the fans mad at him.

>For me the fundamental problem of AHM was inexplainable both outside and inside the comic focus on Earth. Decepticons kind of "win" then they just muck about
"Focus on Earth, for no reason" is a common thing in Transformers fiction. In AHM one of the central points of the story was to show what the Decepticons could do without anyone around to stop them. Secondly the reason why they just stop on Earth is Megatron stalling to draw out Starscream's inevitable attempted coup, and see who sides with him and who can still be trusted.

same Rodibros, same.

Did any of the writers and main illustrators including those of older comics ever state who their most beloved bots are?

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Simon Furman's favs are The Dinobots, Nightbeat and Galvatron.

>Shocked no one hasn't actually fucking said WHY All Hail Megatron was reviled when it came out.
see

Who doesn't like Nightbeat?

Going good, thank you. Hope you are alright too.

Why is Willis' wiki so transphobic?

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i mean Furman is the reason Nightbeat became the iconic fan favourite he is.

Oh right, that Escargon nutjob.

>What went wrong?

Loading every issue with LGBTQ politics.

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But transformers are literally trannies.

>Why is Willis' wiki so transphobic?

He discouraged updates to the Robots in Disguise cartoon because he thought the show portraying police officers as heroes "in today's political climate" was offensive. Then he drove off a bunch of editors after the 2016 election by calling them White Supremacists, including a few of the ones who spoke Japanese. Then he shat all the rape allegations onto Jim Cummings' wiki entry the second they were released to show how woke and MeToo he was, then refused to remove them after Cummings was cleared in a court of law.

TFWIKI.net is a dumpster fire.

I honestly never cared about fembots or what thay said or did aside from Nautica maybe, who was cool.

i hope someone who isn't a cuck buys the wiki rights from Walky.

>i hope someone who isn't a cuck buys the wiki rights from Walky.
The ad revenue he receives from the Wiki is what keeps him from having to work a dayjob so he can spend all his time doodling Dumbing of Ages comics (also, his wife has a fulltime job and he mostly just leeches off of her income).

Willis has never made an substantial contributions to the Wiki; 90% of its most useful content was written by others (particularly Chris McFeely, the guy who runs the Transformers: The Basics youtube series). Walky just uses the wiki and his authority over it to push his political agenda stuff.

>Willis has never made an substantial contributions to the Wiki
>Walky just uses the wiki and his authority over it to push his political agenda stuff.

His most substantial article that he actually wrote is the Bill O'Reilly one. You can tell he had a field day with that opportunity.

Reminder that this dumb fuck was the only guy who cared about the voice actor strike.
(which may or may not have inspired Hasbro to get everyone fired and hire cheaper alternatives)
Cyberverse's been good, though it's surprising Hasbro suddenly went with lower cost voice actors even for Rescue Bots.

That is not why Hasbro started hiring non-union actors. People spoke to one of the Rescue Bots actors at a con and apparently what happened is that the LA Actors Guild got angry at Hasbro not following union rules and gave them an ultimatum, and Hasbro naturally chose "lol bye then" since using non-union acting lets them spend less money. Apparently the fight between them is related to the MLP movie being mostly LA artists and writers but the acting cast being a mix of LA and canadian and non-union actors.

I just hope people keep breaking their stones because everything is "problematic" and they have to dance around it all because otherwise they won't look like good little progressives on the right side of history.

It's easy for Willis and his buddies to toss people for being neanderthal Nazis, it's a lot harder when feminists and trans people are accusing them of being the nazi scum.

>portraying police officers as heroes is bad
...What's wrong with these barbarians?

As usual, actor unions are retarded and greedy.

I always wanted to see more of the dystopia timeline, I kinda love dystopian shit. Why can't Megatron stay dead for once?

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Most unions do. It started out great, looking out for the little guy...and then the power gets to them.

It was during the whole Trayvon Martin/Michael Brown/Black Lives Matter thing where the media narrative was POLICE OFFICERS BAD. So Willis got a stick up his ass accordingly to stay on the right side of history and vented his frustrations with the offensive nature of RiD positively portraying police officers. He attacked the Wiki users who updated the RiD articles and would prune them or alter their edits to remove wordage that "complimented" the Autobots, adding his own jabs and threats in the edit notes toward the other editors. It mostly just discouraged other editors from touching the RiD articles outside of adding the most sterile information like titles and dates.

Fucking politics, man. They turn morons into bigger morons. Also, unrelated but fuck the media with the POLICE OFFICER BAD narrative. I want to see those assholes walking the streets and have to deal with scumbags.

I want her to have a Alt Jet form, but with the same personality from energon.

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Sparks are nothing than a main core of their programing and Starscream's ghost was nothing more than a A.I that could transfer itself to another host

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Why is Starscream so perfect?

Can't she keep the boat but just make it able to fly like Scourge?

That's what I'd like, she already looks like she was recreated by Unicron. She even has a Matrix in her chest.

I'd make Thunderblast a aqua car.

Like Nautica?

Is there a bot you would prefer genderbent?

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I prefer Arcee to be female even if canonically "she" is a male Autobot.

But Arcee IS canonically a female Autobot? I can't think of a single male Arcee.

I want to see the concept female Ratchet in use.

I like Cyberverse idea of genderbending some Seekers, yes.
I'd like if Shockwave was female, Soundwave not so much, I can't really picture him as a girl.

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>But Arcee IS canonically a female Autobot? I can't think of a single male Arcee.

>confirmed for not having read the IDW comics this very thread is about.

You mean the IDW comics where Arcee is female for 99.99999999% of it?

Switch around the BW spiders, make a female creepy scientist Tarantulas and a male nerdy engineer Blackarachnia.

Blackarachnia pre-BW is Nautica, change my mind. TFCC fan-fiction doesn't count.

Blackarachnia pre-BW was a fetus. Making her Nautica is EXACTLY what the TFCC would do.

Was every protoform a fetus? Kinda confused about that, really. They come out as fully formed individuals.

Nautica is like a deep sea boat, no i was picturing she'd be like a car that looks like a boat and can work on both land and sea.

whyyyyy tho.

they have nothing in common characterization wise.

it's like the retarded Sideways = Tarantulas headcanon.

If they can make her a triple changer without the kibble I may buy my first figure.

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Remember what Predacon programming did to Rhinox. It's not that far-fetched considering Blackarachnia is actually a nerd.

Now, Sideways=Tarantulas, that's beyond stupid.

Rampage wasn't, and a handful of toy-only characters weren't. Otherwise, yes.
>They come out as fully formed individuals.
That's just how Cybertronians work a lot of the time.

There is no "pre-BW" Blackarachnia anymore than there is a "pre-BW" Airazor, Tigatron or Inferno. Or Quickstrike. Protoforms are newborns, they have no previous existence despite what club fanfiction might want you to believe.

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Why do people care so much about this shit? Both sides I mean. I only thought about that for 10 seconds, headcanoned something with "females" just being typical bots with a bit different form and us seeing them as females from our PoV or some shit and forgot about it. Those characters aren't even relevant, let alone interesting.

BW Grimlock is the original Grimlock, Rampage is an obvious exception, and BW Lazorbeak is heavily implied to be the original Laserbeak.

FunPub stuff trying to make everyone have pre-BW lives may be dumb, but it's not without preexisting basis.

Because "muh representation" even if it's horribly written to the point where literal children could write a better story.

>BW Grimlock is the original Grimlock,

Yeah but BW Grimlock was not a protoform except in the IDW profile book they made. His original profile just feels like he redesigned his original body.

My point is that in the show, protoforms are newborns and the idea preexisting characters can get turned into one is a MUCH later invention. Rampage was a special kind of protoform too, not like a random dude they turned into a protoform.

Look,

I don't ship, but it feels like Cyberverse is trying REALLY hard to make these two a thing, and NewIDW is to a lesser extent.

Or am I imagining things?

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I never really minded Transformers having genders. They're not machines, they're biological life forms. It's only when things like romance and sexuality get introduced that I get annoyed. Cybertronians don't reproduce so they have no reason to have social groupings like families, let alone robot fucking.

It's called free will and sense of attachment. Cybertronians can feel emotions and affections just like any other life form because they're basically people, not tools, which means they can grow attached to other people just like you or me.

The Beast Wars Toy Bio Universe is wild
- Tarantulas is a stupid ninja
- Waspinator is a fierce aerial warrior
- Silverbolt is a mysterious lone wolf (ha)
- Depth Charge would rather study tactics than fight

I always just interpreted it in some platonic way, just as there (rarely) are two friends who are so close to each other they want to stay BFF or view themselves as soulmates or brothers or something.
I actually had such a friendship twice in my life and would easily trade all current "friendships" for one of those again if I could. They was no romance involved or anything, romantic relationshops are overrated anyway.

Well, this Windblade takes the role from the girl from Bumblebee since they wanted to mimic that plotpoint for synergy reasons and the IDW reboot ran with it.
Still, I feel like the first season of Cyberverse tried to give Bee an harem because of bots like Shadow Striker, especially her.

>Moving like a venomous shadow under a midnight moon, Blackarachnia is an evil temptress posing as a Predacon double agent! Capable of converting thermal energy into poisonous cyber-venom, she lures Maximals into her darkened den and then stuns them by firing a poison-tipped missile! After restraining them in her powerful legs, she then sinks her fangs into their armor to suck their life-force dry.

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I will give IDW some credit for Regeneration One. It wasn't a perfect series or anything, but I think it delivered more than their own continuity turned out to.

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the ending was super fucking wanky

Basically. I like her smart, though.

>TFWIKI.net is a dumpster fire.
That's why I avoid it at all costs and never recommend it.

I agree. It could have also easily been 30 issues instead of just 20. I still liked it overall.

>fujos have shit taste because they wont draw free art of my favorite character
Wow you're a retard, also Whirl gets loads of fanart, but I'm guessing you don't know where to look.

Don't blame me, dumblr turned into complete shit after the porn ban and twitter has neither tags nor any effective search function and most good artists left pixiv years ago as well and the tagging there was shit too.
I mainly blame the shitsites like instagram and the likes though. Not even sure if there is a single artist active there but they always and chaotically repost art without proper sources and with worse quality.

I think it was more your reaction to the "fujos" and your petty anger over them not making free art specifically for you of your favorite character and it's like damn dude you sound like an entitled little shit. Pay those fujos if you want specific art, I have before and the ones I've worked with have been very nice.
However I agree with you most sites are shit for art searches now. Tumblr, as awful as it is, is still the best if you know what you're doing.

It's sad the anti-nsfw shit drove so many away, most would probably return though if they would allow it again since it is still the best big side for fanart out there. I had hopes when the wordpress owners bought it recently, especially realizing how tumblr lost like 1 billion dollars of worth thanks to this, but of course nothing ever happened.

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It is really sad, most of them went to twitter but I've seen many of them complain about how bad twitter is for artists (no tagging system, limited feedback from people who reblog, shit image resolution, etc) and flat out say they'd like to move back to tumblr since it is more organized but yeah no word on if the new owners are going to allow nsfw content back. My guess is probably not but we can hope.

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>tfw fujo artist reading all this

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>but yeah no word on if the new owners are going to allow nsfw content back. My guess is probably not but we can hope.

I heard they have no plans to.

why i don't know?

Yeah, other than maybe a few portfolio hosting places, there's not much else where to go. It sucks. I'm not a fujo artist, but it's still frustrating because I feel stuck.

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Well that's dissappointing if true. I have no idea why they wouldn't allow it back, maybe they see it as decreasing tumblr's marketability or something? Not that that has ever gone well for any of the other companies that bought it hoping to turn a profit.

I am a fujo artist and Im stuck too. Everyone's fucked.

Yeah I know, I am a drawfag myself. People will only ever see a thing if someone they follow retweets it. I am there for 1+ year and searching for artists for certain fandoms and yet I still discover many just now and only because somebody retweeted them.

I also don't know how to describe it but twitter feels too open to me and it's full of people that aren't there for any fandoms. Maybe I am wrong but tumblr always felt like a nerdy shithole that was rather comfy if you don't interact with the wrong people. On twitter I could theoretically get a hate tweet from some "verified" account and have to deal with their million followers and out of touch boomers afterwards. Well it's exaggerated, but you know what I mean.
Absolutely disgusting.
Me too user. Me too. Though not for TF stuff. Not yet.

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>On twitter I could theoretically get a hate tweet from some "verified" account and have to deal with their million followers and out of touch boomers afterwards. Well it's exaggerated, but you know what I mean.
Ngl this scares the shit out of me.
>Though not for TF stuff.
Well now I have to know what fandom at the very least?

The funny thing is that tumblr lost around a billion of worth so if anything they, as the new buyers, should know better than anybody else how lucky they were and how much they could improve it if they would allow it again. But I guess that even a rather small amount of money from shitty ads is still more profitable to them than anything else, regardless of the worth of the website. Fuck that.

Its so frustrating to see all this shit going wrong as a spectator that can do nothing but watch it burn.

All this fujos here and there are people out there still saying women don't like transformers.

If it makes you feel any better we sit around and laugh at the idiots who say that. You've got a whole show/comic of 99% hot male robots fighting each other showing off how strong and built they are, who the fuck would think women wouldn't like that.

I always liked them since I was a kid. But I was a big fan of toy cars and that stuff in general be it carrera, hot wheels, matchbox or whatever. The comics made the TF hype worse of course because stories and interactions got more complex over time and the bots even better plus we got new bots and more screentime and complexity for certain old bots I loved.

>Well now I have to know what fandom at the very least?
Mess Effect. But side characters.Turians actually. But not Garrus.Actually it's mainly just Saren, Oraka, Nihlus.

you know considering it ended up being a few million, some people joked we could've crowdfunded the buyout and bring porn back to it.

You know that reminds me of somethings, does anyone else feel like the Human and Autobot friendships especially in IDW where humans talk down and shit on guys like Optimus was retarded? Most of the cybertronians are older than the Human race they are practically immortal yet they all tolerate humanities shit with people always acting like smug bastards trying to screw them over, like that one bitchy reporter who tried to fuck over drift and was all about how he didn’t “get it” the authors are older than Christ yet they pretend like people can actually teach them anything, humanity was pretty trash in the IDW continuity

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He spent 4 million years doing practically nothing

Did you like Bumblebee?

Dammit I never even thought of this.

How come IDW hasn't done a Botbots comic yet?

...shit that is a good point Boco.

Yes.

You have good taste user.

This is a general problem I have with human presence in space series, it's always biased as fuck towards the human side. We always get species that are thousands of years more advanced than humanity and with lifespans of 1000 years or more and yet it's always the humans that teach them friendship magic, or let them discover a shitton of dishes or cultural ideas the aliens never had despite that humanity has barely reached their teen years. It's also almost always lowkey or directly pro-human regarding wars and deaths and one of the reasons for why I love the very VERY few series without them. Alien cultures are more interesting anyway and I can't survive another story about an evil alien invasion of UK or America. They aren't generally bad I just saw it too often by now.

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You must like Cyberverse so far. The second season has humans entirely as an after-thought.

Yes. Though my favorites were always Prowl and Starscream as well as Megatron. Actually I like most bots to begin with, which is rare for a series.

I’m surprised how very few TF series go one about how completely fucking lucky humanity with the cybertronians being coincidentally extremely relatable to them and not a wholly alien race of nigh immortal shape shifting cybernetic organisms with millions of years of scientific advancement ahead of them, this applies to most sci fi but humans are really just a bunch of apes on a floating wet rock and but in TF they’re caught In a war that basically predates modern primates by a few million years, I dunno it’s a pretty hi sci-fi concept that could be played pretty well if it was focused on, humanity learns that it really doesn’t have shit on transformers who could easily wipe them out if they wanted too it’s also why I partially think the end of the deal og idw run was hilarious in hindsight because they’re “peace” with all other species falls apart in a few thousand years with most of the organic slowly die out and transformers are still kicking

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>I’m surprised how very few TF series go one about how completely fucking lucky humanity with the cybertronians being coincidentally extremely relatable to them and not a wholly alien race of nigh immortal shape shifting cybernetic organisms
Well now you've got me imagining a transformers movie where they show up and are some kind of cosmic horror thing that humans cant fully comprehend and its shot more like serious sci-fi horror. Like Lovecraftian Transformers or something.

When you get into the nitty gritty of it, realistically 99% of life is going to be bipeds or quasi-bipeds made from and/or to use carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen in some way and will have a sense of sight and hearing. And they'll think is fairly comprehensible ways because otherwise we aren't going to see them as intelligent or be able to interact with eachother meaningfully.

The universe is really fucking lazy and we're not exactly special, we're kinda the "easy mode" when it comes to making intelligent life. Made of the most common shit, in the environment best suited to accumulating the most common shit, etc.

I agree that it's really lucky Cybertronians are so similar but if we're going to be playing the realism game then 99% of aliens are unironically going to be Star Trek rubber foreheads or more likely Power Rangers and Kamen Rider monsters. You're gonna get a bajillion Greys, Asari, and Roachmen from Venus before you get even one Starfish.

>caught In a war that basically predates modern primates by a few million years, I dunno it’s a pretty hi sci-fi concept that could be played pretty well if it was focused on, humanity learns that it really doesn’t have shit on transformers who could easily wipe them out if they wanted
It sounds almost like lovecraftian cosmic horror if you phrase it like that. But it's true and an interesting concept if done carefully and right. Would actually be interesting seeing this from some human's PoV who observes them and perceives them as completely alien and intimitading and doesn't really know what's even going on.

>Like Lovecraftian Transformers or something
>It sounds almost like lovecraftian cosmic horror
Hey you get out of my head.

Hearts of Steel: The Movie

Think the biggest problem about most TFs would actually be their big size.

what about the fact that they're completely metal
or that they can shapeshift into vehicles

Honestly a short horror series that give a down to earth portrayal of the Autobot vs Deception with them being the Lovecraftiam horrors could work fairly well, from an average Joe POV a regular battle would be something straight out of Lovecraft in a lot of ways, like the Elder Things war with the shoggoth or Chthulu but happening in real time and no matter who wins for humanity it’s basically a Kaiju battle I mean in with actuall cosmic horror like Unicron running around consuming entire planets its not a crazy stretch to basically a horror story we’re cybertronians are the terrifying monsters by default

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Lovecraftmind user. We know it's true if we both think of the same thing.

Well that too especially since it would be BIG vehicles.
Especially if they wouldn't understand their language. I also assume that TFs would have failry different voices, being all metal and such. Which would make it creepy as shit having such giants around.

I once had a dream about this actually and at the end the TFs even left the Earth again due to inner struggles or agreements or whatever and we/humans never understood why they left and for how long or if it is forever and what they were fighting about in the first place so everything about them was just speculation and interpretation which is probably what would happen in real life if such a species existed.

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A transformers horror film that starts with just some guy heading to work at a nuclear plan and slowly notices how oddly parked some vehicles are especially a bunch of out of place heavy construction vehicles, before seeing his freind pull over in his new car which immediately starts rumbling and moving like a living thing and the last thing he sees before all hell breaks loose is his buddy getting liquefied as the car turns into a 20 foot screaming one eyed robotic purple giant that starts vaporizing everything around it then just cut to a new report of a strange “terrorist attack” that left over 40 workers dead or missing with locals repeatedly seeing strange giant like robots destroying everything

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No, those are all reasons why AHM is just awful. It's seriously poorly written. That's... what was being talked about. Did you misclick? I think you misclicked.

Look at this fucking crosseyed cunt! Can't even click on the right reply! OI BLINDY

BLIND BASTARD

YOUR PARENTS WEREN'T MARRIED YOU BASTARD

And even more parallels when sometimes the TF cast is trapped/sealed within the Earth.

So Shockwave is a Mazda during this scene?

Come to think of it,in Transformers Prime,Unicron was the core of the Earth.

Why is Prowl such an annoying shit?

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I'd like to see a lady Skids

I wonder how a female empurata victim would look like. Now that I think about it I actually want to see it.

Is he? I mean, he's a prick. But he's usually right.

Skids deserved better

This. Starscream too.

Just for fun, I'd genderbend 1 member of each combiner team
I think I'd go with
>Mixmaster
>Fireflight
>Drag Strip (Animated precedent)
>Groove
>Swindle (I already waifu him, might as well)
>Lightspeed
>Rampage
>Sinnertwin
>Seawing
>Blacker
>Jallguar or Drillhorn

Damn, Nautica had a full harem of bots and fembots.

>Make Skids cool.
>Kill him.
Well, thank you.

This is why I always fear for cool characters that aren't the MC. Especially if they get even cooler at some point.

She did nothing wrong.
(No, really).

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But how?

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I want a comfy commission from Alex Milne

>1 woman
>5 men

you just have gangbang fetish user

So comfy...

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Anyone up for more Prime?

I would love more.

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>Unicron being a multiversal god is literally some of his oldest lore
The multiversal singularity stuff started before the 2000s? When did it start?

Oh no, someone on the Internet doesn't hate the same things as you, and you felt the need to type all that. You pathetic little retard.

And...?

Fowler deserves to be in more continuities.

Does this count?

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Yes, I doesn't get enough credit.

I imagined this guy

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Megatron is a pretty likable bot, really. Which are the ones you dislike?

I fucking love Alex' style so much, even the quick drawings are awesome.

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agreed

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I think for me it was mainly because he is so similar to Bender. But now that you say this I agree Roberto's voice would be even better.

velocity was cool

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Tell us about your Transformers OCs. Don't lie, you know you have at least one.

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There are so many TFs why should I have the need for OCs? I don't have anything against people creating OCs but never fully understood the point unless it's for an own story about canon characters for which you need some OCs to fill the blanks.
Some OC commissions Alex draws are pretty cool though.

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I mean, for all the flak they get, bayverse transformers give us this kind of asthetic, especially among the Decepticons with their alien space bug designs on a lot of them

I would have fapped if he had transformed into this in mtmte.

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I have Midnight Kiss!

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Roberts not letting Megatron transform ONCE is one of his many failings.

I personally loved the series but this is one of the things that were a big missed opportunity. I love tanks in general and this thing (male) is rad as hell, imagine this colored and in action.

Super cringe but I drew my own car as a transformer once. I never gave it a proper transformer name but it was my first time to draw anything mech-like and I was super proud of it.
Hot damn.
LOVE her!

it reminds me of Hardhead's alt. mode.

Seems like those complaining about Roberts not having enough Transformations are right if Megatron never did it once.

It was the only thing that I kinda missed. I know the story was so full of other stuff and tons of side stories and stuff going on that there isn't much time for fights but fuck it, just make the series a bunch of issues longer, some transformations would have been cool as fuck, especially the tank. We saw the jets relatively often, but only because they were chasing others.

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>Seems like those complaining about Roberts not having enough Transformations
To mention it for the 50th time- forever ago in these threads we counted up all the transformations between Roberts nook and Barber's and they were nearly the same, it was only like 3 transformations difference. I think people just notice it more in Roberts work because he has A LOT more dialogue going on.

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Also keep in mind that in-universe he was a pacifist for a while, and also the black hole thing made his insides fucked up

Why are these two such bitches towards each other?

>and also the black hole thing made his insides fucked up
Ratchet pointed that out at least twice that Megatron was in pretty fucked up shape internally so it wouldn't be a surprise if he couldn't transform or would have difficulty doing so. Roberts probably should have made that more obvious though for people who cant read between the lines.

I always wonder what would have happend if he had tried to transform. If he simply couldn't or if the tank would be fucked or something.

Maybe he'd implode into the black hole in his chest like a loony tunes cartoon.

Would he suck the rest of the crew into the black hole or just him?

Dunno but I think it'd be funnier if it was just him to implode into himself and everyone else standing around is just like "the fuck was that???"

Might've just outright killed him if the stress on his body was too much, or he would have gotten stuck in a half-transformed mass of steel and wires. Kinda like the part where Sunder first appeared and fucked with the LL crew.

OR having black hole organs causes weird reality things to happen and he turns into an alt mode that doesn't even make sense for him, like a giant tricycle or space reliant robin. Anything is possible.

KInda?
Honestly, what I'd like is a Prime do-over more than a continuation. I'm one of those "wasted potential" guys when it comes to Prime. They had a lot of cool characters and ideas, but most of them fell flat, imo.
If we could just hit reset, start the continuity over and make it better, that would be great.

Man I totally forgot that, he really got fucked there, didn't he? Well in that case I simply wish he would have been healed at some point, he technically isn't even a full transformer anymore without the ability to transform. This is probably the bot equivalent of being impotent.

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He's survived worse, it wouldn't be out of the question, really.

>uses his black hole thing against the DJD
>gets sent to a weirdo world after
>comes back with a big fleet for you
I guess the only time he coulda been fixed was after he remained in the alt universe and doctored himself back to health, but idk what turning into a tank coulda done against a big planet robot.

Woulda been nice to see him at full combat capabilities and utilizing both modes though

This was why watching villains was always more encouraging to me as kid than anything the heroes did. The enemies always get beaten up a million times or even killed but somehow manage to come back and stand up again whereas heroes rather win thanks to being the chosen ones or having many friends and I couldn't relate to any of this.

If there's one thing I think RotF did right is their take on tank Megatron. Let him be a triple changer tank with flight capabilities.

>Tarn is introduced as having an addiction to transforming
>initial DJD story has him transforming needlessly constantly
>after Milne leaves the book Tarn hardly transforms at all

I wonder if his alternate universe journey would have been touched on more if LL hadn't been forced to end sooner than Roberts wanted.
Man don't remind me.

ROTF Megatron wasn't a triple changer. He was just a flying tank.

>I wonder if his alternate universe journey would have been touched on more if LL hadn't been forced to end sooner than Roberts wanted.
It absolutely would have been, Roberts mentioned it in the Q&A he did sometime back. He had alot of plans which is both good and bad, he over planned all these wonderful things but that kinda screwed him over when the book ended.

I actually went through and counted them up a while ago for a tumblr post:

I’m still not sure where people get the idea that Tarn barely transformed in the comics. So I made a list! Here’s all of Tarn’s appearances, the scope of those appearances, and what he did in those appearances:

#5: single panel, standing
Spotlight: Hoist: hallucination, not real
#7: prologue, standing
#8: major depiction, 7 transformations, 4 of them on panel
#20: single panel, standing
#32: single panel, standing
#33: single panel, leaping through air
#39: major depiction, 4 transformations, 1 of them on panel
#48: single panel, standing, flashback before addiction confirmed
#49: major depiction, 2 off panel transformations, flashback before addiction confirmed
#50: two panels, standing
#51: major depiction, no transformations
#52: major depiction, 2 transformations, 1 of them on panel
#53: single panel, standing
#54: major depiction, no transformations
#55: major depiction, no transformations

Condensing that down into appearances that matter, we have

#8: 7 transformations, 4 of them on panel
#39: 4 transformations, 1 of them on panel
#51: no transformations
#52: 2 transformations, 1 of them on panel
#54: no transformations
#55: no transformations

Could he have transformed more? Yes. Did he barely transform? No.

>Could he have transformed more? Yes. Did he barely transform? No.
I swear a big chunk of transformers fans will bitch to no end unless all characters are seizuring through transformations non-stop on every fucking panel. Have one panel with no transformation? "THEY DON'T EVER TRANSFORM EVER!!!"

We don't deserve Milne. He's just too based.

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>Tarn literally transformed more in one Milne issue than the rest of the run by your own count. Cope harder.

Fucking dammit I didn't know that. Now I wish even more that there was an animated adaption, though that would never happen. Anyway that journey thing was one of my favorite parts of the whole series.

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>#8: 7 transformations, 4 of them on panel
Milne
>#39: 4 transformations, 1 of them on panel
Sakamoto
>#51: no transformations
Milne
>#52: 2 transformations, 1 of them on panel
Milne
>#54: no transformations
Milne
>#55: no transformations
Milne

I love happy Whirl. He deserves to be happy.

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>Quickswitch woulda been a thing, an Autobot phase-sixer gets created
>he's a fucking pacifist
>had to scrap the idea, use some of it for Megatron instead
>tfw Megatron was nice, but wondering what Quickswitch's character arc and inevitably tragic death woulda been like

>Roberts mentioned it in the Q&A he did sometime back
Do you have a link? Did he say what he actually had in mind?

What's Animated Bumblebee doing there?

This looks like one of these "cartoon vs anime" memes.

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>literally turned him into Loki
Unforgivable.

Should I be happy that I never followed that series and don't even know how Loki looks like?
If anything he reminded me of Cell from DBZ.

That's Rescue Bots Whirl. A girl. And probably Whirl's kid.

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>like dis post if u think the girl on the left is just as beautiful as the girl on the right
This made my heart happy.

I mean, they're two different incarnations of the character. They can have differences.

>Quickswitch is planned to be in LL
>As an Autobot phase-sixer who is a pacifist
>Probably gets some kind of character arc and tragic death scene
>Idea gets scrapped

>Quickswitch is planned to be in SotW
>As a civilian critically wounded by Prowl's false -flag bomb
>Gets a mobile life support machine in the form of a six changing body
>Idea gets scrapped

>Quickswitch finally gets an appearance
>in one of the crossovers
>for one issue
>in which he just drills downwards and then dies

>Quickswitch gets an appearance in RotW
>Writer claims that it's actually Sixknight because of Visionaries

Being Quickswitch is suffering.

Quickswitch will return as meta villain because of all of this.

The worst part is that is so obvious what went to waste.

How is this thread still alive? I am not complaining though.

IDW is an interesting topic.

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I always love the flyer bots for some reason.

Yes.

The flyer bots are always nice. Which ones do you like most?

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>Beach BUMblebee
I'm so here for it

During the Marvel comics era where he was, and IIRC may infact still be as I believe it was never properly retconned, responsible for the current batch of universes existing because he ate them.

Coincidentally Galactus was one of the few survivors and was understandably scared shitless of him.

Because IDW thought it'd be great to turn him into a screaming lunatic asshole for no reason.

I love this.

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I had this one in mind that was a failed journalist Autobot that lived in a post-Great War era and joined the Autobot military to try and make something more of himself after his career went up in smoke. He transformed into an old-style film camera that another Transformer needed to hold while he recorded things. This was meant to be a sort of hint to the fact that he was, while unaware of it himself, the reincarnation of Megatron, who passed on his spark to an "heir" after his death to give a final middle finger to Optimus Prime, by creating a visionary youth that would tear down the Autobots using their own peaceful methods and create a brand-new future for their race free of Autobot or Decepticon legacy.

It's pretty autistic, but I just love worldbuilding big fleshed-out scenarios like that.

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Yes, Transformers can afford to reinvent itself, unlike other franchises.

I like it!

My series is a cartoon that will pit a new team of autobots vs a mostly new team decepticons
>This is Snakebite.
>Autobot.
>Strongest fighter in ranged and hand to hand combat.
>Loyal to the Autobots, but chooses a good fight over a direct order. Unreliable nature balances out his fighting skills.
> Think Tim Roth's character in The Incredible Hulk before he became the Abomination.

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> Think Tim Roth's character in The Incredible Hulk before he became the Abomination.
Interesting.

BIG
FAT
ROBOTIDDIES

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Arcee is not an OC.

Fowler is unironically the best human to ever star in TF. A shame his show just kinda... well, it wasn't bad, but it just wasn't great y'know, it just kinda... existed, for want of a better term.

Starscream of course but also Cyclonus. But they are all cool. Even Pharma who is an annoying piece of shit is entertaining as villain.

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I loved it, idk.

Action cartoon heroes win because of the villains' poor planning and self-sabotaging, or because they have better weapons and powers, or they're The Chosen One.
Action cartoon villains can in their way inspire kids with persistence against impossible odds, ambition to change the world, and obsessive focus and determination to pursue that dream.

Teamwork and co-operation you need to learn from the heroes, though. Most villains have trouble working together.

>Most villains have trouble working together.
Which is another relatable trait.

>Being Quickswitch is suffering.
There are a number of post-1986 G1 characters that were bigger, more expensive toys, but never became important characters in cartoons or comics. Early IDW gave Sixshot and Doubledealer important roles, but Quickswitch's time never came.

youtu.be/sg0D1PpgCXs

TRANSFORMERS: THE BASICS on TRANSFORMERS ANIMATED

youtu.be/LaUOgPoCyIA

TRANSFORMERS: THE BASICS on SPRINGER

youtube.com/watch?v=56UT066Q_vk

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>Fowler is unironically the best human to ever star in TF.

him and Charlie from Bumblebee are my top 2 personal favourite human allies in the entire franchise.

JAMES ROBERTS AMA: MTMTE/LL QUESTIONS ANSWERED TRANSCRIPT

tfw2005.com/boards/threads/james-roberts-ama-mtmte-ll-questions-answered-transcript.1164603

Pharma has a lot of fanart for the little screentime he had and the dick he is, I see him everywhere when I am browsing pics.

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He's a seeker with Ratchet's head photoshopped on and a bad guy (autobot). Of course he's got fans.

Thank you a lot, user.

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I think it's also because he is a yandere. And male ones are rare.

I've had the notion of a foul-mouthed hard-living junkyard mechanic with aesthetics drawn from pic related, but I've never quite nailed it down. I'm thinking she spent a while as an Empty on the Dead End a la the Marvel TF comics, and so she developed a strong resentment for both Autobots and Decepticons. Eventually she managed to rise above the poverty line and become a low-end self-made bot and now sometimes has to work with them. Alt form, maybe a miniature Cybertronian forklift?

I dunno, Yea Forums, is this worth pursuing further?

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I know opinions and taste but I really loved mtmte, it gave a me lot of TTGL vibes for some weird reason and TTGL was always one of my favorite series in general.

I can see why you saw some similarities. Good taste, user.

I think I would cum buckets if trigger or a similar studio would ever adapt it with a good budget. Will never happen but a man can dream.

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This sounds unorinically interesting though I have a thing for low class characters punching their way through life (metaphorically or literally) in general. I also love forklifts.

I'm annoyed it'll take forever for anything similar to MTMTE to happen again

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That's the problem whenever such a thing ends. And other series cannot fill the void.

MTMTE was very fine for what it was, it will be missed.

Still don't know how to feel about it since it made me kinda gay for Megatron but contentwise it was pretty great and special. Guess there is always a drawback.