Rock is dead and will never come back

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Who would have thought: even though gatekeeping has many negatives, it can be beneficial in a way.

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Did it occur to him that a shitty record by a bunch of 60 year olds was more likely why it didn't sell?

Gene is an idiot, there are a lot of cultural and other factors behind why music is how it is but he's not really a smart or erudite enough guy to consider that.

Also, I don't care to buy an album made from someone who only makes albums cause they think it will sell.

Rock is not dead. It's just not mainstream. Simmons is just being a crusty old fuck because his band has an aging out fanbase. Nobody buys albums anymore, everyone streams on Spotify where nobody except Spotify and the labels make money. He's bitter about a business model that doesn't exist anymore. They're struggling to sell anything outside of their shows, and those aren't doing nearly as well as they want you to believe.
At this point, anyone who wants to see Kiss has seen them, not that many grandkids of the OG fans care, and you can only repackage shit into box sets so many times.
But Gene will grouse about money until the day he drops, because he's always been a greedy fuck.

100% boomer cope. Explain all the other artists who are popular in the free music age. Did downloads kill rap? Pop?

Yes Gene blaim the fans and the poor people. It has nothing to do with the fact that people can make and distribute music at home now without asking money men to bankroll them. If rock was all about spinning money then I'm glad it's dead.

So, you don't listen to music at all. Noted.

yeah gene, nobody downloaded rap that's why it got so huge, good call

In pre-Beatles times pop musicians never made anything unless they were Frank Sinatra, they were disposable sweatshop workers who got into music to get out of laboring in some mine or factory.

>It has nothing to do with the fact that people can make and distribute music at home now without asking money men to bankroll them

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There are people that make music, cause they want to make music; the moment you bring in some other motivator, fame or fortune, I won't pay attention.

The industry has circled around back to the way it was in the 50's - singles are the medium, slap it on radio (Spotify) and cover it in ads, send the act out on the road to make cash. Albums are a luxury. Merch is king.
The big difference is the labels back then had large stables of acts. Now it's a handful of acts, at best. Everyone else is out in the weeds, paying for it all themselves - which isn't a bad thing, as they're not being raped by a label. A single or EP or album is now a marketing tool to buy concert tickets and t-shirts.

Now, if only 75% of the venues hadn't gone under because of a fake pandemic...

Nothing wrong with hard work to help your fellow man.

I'm aware. The music industry today operates in a manner closer to how it worked in 1955 than it did 1975 where artists are disposable product with no real say in their material and singles matter more than albums.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

We get it, you don't listen to music. You didn't have to repeat yourself.

What does he think about Spotify

>rock music
>Ariana Grande, Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne, Macy Gray

These artists always say they don't get enough from streaming but never actually tell how much they've made from it

>You have no idea what you're talking about.
no he's not. they didn't get paid anything back then except the biggest stars. pop singers in the 40s-50s were just slapped in front of a mic and told to sing whatever songs they were given and they didn't get to pick songs nor have any say in how they were arranged. you'd cut several sides in a session and get paid $150 for it.

hahahhahahaahahaa

what a fucking out of touch idiot

"they ruined the spirit of rock and roll by not financially supporting the people who win!"

hahahaahahaaha

what a fucking idiot

he never knew shit about music or "rock"

fuck him. creep.

>The big difference is the labels back then had large stables of acts
and, um, they could actually sing and play and there weren't singers with a literally disgusting aesthetic like Lil Xan

It's been pretty well documented by this point that you have to be a Eilish or Rodriguez to make any income from Spotify.
I have industry knowledge that aging out metal and hard rock acts aren't making much - it's way, way, way less than they make from classic radio these days - which isn't much, because nobody really listens to FM radio anymore.

Why do you think all those 70's acts are selling off their publishing? It's their last big payday, because getting any appreciable income off streaming will take more time than they have left alive, and there are holding companies like Hipgnosis Holding Fund. that's buying up everyone's catalogs, and long term investments. When you own 100 catalogs of people like Neil Young, it adds up over time.

Think about it. Bands that are old, but still selling stadiums, like Aerosmith and GnR, don't have record contracts. Because there's no point. That's the state of the industry. The only income streams they can rely on is touring, merch, and licensing.

Rock music isn't dead. The album is. Labels don't want to make them, because they don't need them anymore.

There are TONS of artists who made money then, and made damned good money. He has no fucking clue what he's talking about.

tbqh a lot of rock bands didn't make a lot of money in the 70s either, particularly the more niche ones like Genesis or Television. they didn't sell tons of albums nor did they play big venues.

The album format was a scam half the time anyway. Buy a $7 LP and get 3 good songs and 7 filler tracks. It got worse in the 90s with $20 CDs that had 20 tracks 15 of which were filler.

Gene Simmons? The dude from KISS? Claims that rock music is dead because of piracy? When his music was relevant 40 years ago? When he took a shit on rock with industry glam bullshit? Forgets that maybe glam rock popularized a lot of other meaningless bullshit that further pushed rock into the cesspit it's in today? Mad that his label can't put together a bunch of cucks in makeup to make shit music anymore?

This is so stupid. Hip hop went digital pretty quickly, and it got even more popular after the fact.

Your nose is showing.

now some big name pop stars like Doris Day and Perry Como certainly got rich, but they also did movies or TV. many rock-and-roll and doo-wop acts made fuck-all and often got ripped off by contracts they didn't read.

>Labels don't want to make them, because they don't need them anymore

now you have the occasional guy like Kanye who can put an album to use but for someone like Ariana Grande it's pointless as they're just singles acts

If anything this post proves that zoomers killer music in general because they’re under the assumption it’s for clout and writing songs is secondary.

The Ramones made all their money from merch; I don't think they ever had an album that sold more than 10,000 copies.

what isn't dead culturally

>Complaining about zoomers killing music because they only care about clout in a thread about Gene Simmons
kek

>touring
with the rising cost of travel and smaller venues dying the number of bands that can tour profitably is shrinking too, obviously not a problem for classic rock giants but any kind of niche touring act is getting fucked

Don’t be disingenuous, the thread is hardly about Gene. If you’ve been here any amount of time you know there’s many independent discussions and shitpost reply chains happening at once.

The hair bands remain relevant by moving on to reality shows and having stream services make documentaries on there wild rockstar personalities and also having rap songs about them
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Gene couldnt adapt doing shit rap covers and that school of rock tv show
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Fuck Gene Simmons

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Metallica made the vast majority of their money from TBA and their 90s megatours; the classic albums didn't make them into plutocrats.

Maybe if you weren't a /poltard, you'd have an actual point, instead of childish insults.

Maybe. You can buy or borrow IQ points, and you're clearly lacking.

also rock becoming less relevant as a cultural form outside of the classic boomer acts was making touring harder for niche bands even before the covid/war shenanigans

>Claims rock is dead
>Clearly oblivious to the superior genre that is stoner/desert/psychedelic/doom rock

One of the best and most talented bands of past decade: youtube.com/watch?v=_0t4Va7uLkc&t=73s

no it fucking wasn't, an entire generation of people collectively decided to BTFO music genres and overproduced, overpriced bullshit
music piracy IS the spirit of rock

Has Gene Simmons never heard of black country, new road?

fpbp

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I'm not the user you were talking with, this dude is an actual retard. But I am a zoomer and only strive to make music because I severely enjoy it, I don't make any money from it but if I did that would be a plus. If anything this thread shows that boomers are killing music by releasing albums and then complaining that young people killed rock music when they don't get sales and clout like they did in the 70s. Then some retard jew user says you don't listen to music because you say you like genuine artists who don't care about money and you liken him to all of zoomers for no reason.