When does it become Batman's fault?

Joker wouldn't be able to use the insanity plea in real life because one of the things that has to be proven is that he either feels compelled to commit the crimes or that he's unable to understand the consequences of his actions. Even if Joker is super crazy, he's still aware of what he's doing and isn't mentally conditioned to do what he does.

How do you think he breaks out?

>Everyone Joker kills is Joker's fault.
that's the whole point. People should be blaming Joker yet for some reason it's always the heroes that's at fault. What the fuck is with this mentality. Even literal children knows when a murderer kills someone it's the mruderer's fault instead of the damn cop.

there's a comic where future Batman solved this problem by having the court agrees to cryo-prisons. It certainly helps preventing them breaking out again.

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If you kill him, you'll be just like him

>and isn't mentally conditioned to do what he does.
He is, by society.

>Even if Joker is super crazy, he's still aware of what he's doing and isn't mentally conditioned to do what he does.
>isn't mentally conditioned to do what he does.
>he never read The Killing Joke

>Every thread must amuse me personally
Get fucked autistic faggot

Then it's time to judge the people.

batman is not the only person to interact with the joker if anything you should be blaming the henchmen who work for him there's a good chance joker killed one of their family members

cringe

How has nobody kamikaze'd on the Joker during any one of his sentencings or his confinement periods? Did everybody's balls drop off in Gotham?

Honestly if I was a cop I probably would've been given a promotion by icing half of Gotham's villains by mysteriously leaving them alone and they have a gunshot to their head.

Honestly, if DC had an ounce of cojones, they'd Jack Ruby the Joker.

If Batman not killing the Joker makes him even a little bit responsible for the Joker's murders, then every judge that has ever had him in their court is even more responsible.

b-but Batman is more capable than us!

It's a children's comic.

Take a government class. No one is responsible for your actions. You'd have to have the mentality of a child (or Canadian) to think someone "allows" things to happen or has to step in and "stop them".

Like, Batman isn't an executioner. If the city wanted to give joker a death sentence, they would have. And honestly, if we were being realistic, they would. It's pretty inconceivable he's never fatally wounded in a shoot out with police. Or anyone carrying a gun, because it is AMERICA. Not to mention Gotham is a pretty seedy place to live. Like, the Joker steals candy from a baby - the mom probably has a gun, if not a taser for self defense.

Why would it be batman's fault when literally anyone in Gotham is capable of pulling a trigger.

>How has nobody kamikaze'd on the Joker
Batman would prevent it

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Or just accidentally have him be assassinated on the way there, or poison his food and water.

Batmans gay love interest is a danger to society at large and he needs to be stopped.

forget lawful citizens. Let's talk about the henchmen and how gang violence works. Someone would inevitably want to walk away but can't because they "know too much" right? So course the thing to do is mutiny.

>Or just accidentally have him be assassinated on the way there
Been done

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It's all Batman's fault, he doesn't do what needs to be done.

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How many people ruined by Joker will Batfellow have to Punch because he feels SAD

It isn't like Batman is the only one physically capable of killing the Joker. Batman used a gun against Darkseid. If not law enforcement, why hasn't the criminal underworld killed the Joker?

Somehow Joker has a fuck ton of money, so I assume he pays them off.

Joker was executed in Golden Age comics.
His goons resurrected him, and since he was executed before, his crime record was clean.

>put Joker in a pocket dimension
>another villain frees him
As long as there are Joker stories, he won't die

When does it become any cop who never shot the Joker when he was in custody's fault?

That's probably the biggest plothole in the whole franchise: The Joker has been arrested endless times, but never has a cop blown his brains out and said "Cuff me. Totally worth it."
Hell, same goes for henchmen. "Sorry, guys, but this asshole was too crazy." "Yeah, no, totally."

Everytime I ask that question there’s always some asshole who explains it as “Uhhh, Joker is REALLY evil, man. What if you tried to kill him and you missed? He’d kill your entire family in response and then you if you’re lucky! Do you really risk that happening?”
That kind of retardation was fine for the Golden Age but it’s not really applicable for today.

How is it Batman’s fault the authorities can’t keep villains in jail

Has/will there ever be a comic where some random victim gets the lucky shot? You could make a whole story out of the aftermath alone.

Joker is super white.

I believe that’s a constitutional issue

One of these is a masked vigilante that works alongside the police department and is allowed to investigate crime scenes and get valuable tips and leads. The other is a man that drives around in a tricked out van that has to keep his identity secret, not just because every criminal wants him dead, but also because he's wanted by all the police and half the superheroes want him brought in and jailed indefinitely.

And there are anons that wonder why Batman opposes the guy. You can literally swap Batman with any other superhero and it'd be the same interaction.

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Every morning when he wakes up and Martha and Thomas Wayne are still dead.

Every morning when he wakes up and the Joker is still running around and if not for stupid comic book metaphysics Jason Todd would be dead.

So pretty much every day of his life.

She shoved that up her pussy didnt she?

They don't.
But they are at fault for building shitty prisons.

Oh wait, it's all stupid plot contrivances.

So it IS Batgod's fault.

Just say he has evidence against the clintons and he will commit suicide in a week.

The person who ends up killing Joker, if you think about it deeply, if you analyze all the narrative and characterizations, deep down, the one who'll kill him in the end, is Alfred.

>Batman's fault

No, it's the authorities' fault.
>Here you go, Joker all tied up
>DUH LET'S PUT HIM BACK TO WHERE WE ALWAYS PUT HIM AND DO THE SAME THING WE ALWAYS DO AND THINGS WILL BE DIFFERENT THIS TIME

It's just a comic book, you fools. Batman can't kill the Joker because insane people need help, and if Batman kills the Joker that's going to make some of you morons go out and kill people.

>and if Batman kills the Joker that's going to make some of you morons go out and kill people.

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The universe itself bends over backwards for the Joker so it turns out bad for the cop that tries.

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Sometimes you kill people because they are too dangerous to be left alive.
>inb4: "B-but then you should kill Superman too

>Sometimes you kill people because they are too dangerous to be left alive.
That applies for literally every Super Hero that’s not street level

The difference being that those super heroes don't harm society nor have intention to while criminals like Joker have done so time and time again. Also, Bats has contingency plans for a reason.

There were several attempts. Either bats stops it, brings him back via Lazarus pit because plot reasons, someone stops Bats from finishing him off, or Joker survives even when it's impossible to do so.

Mark my words, another Ace Chem robbery is guaranteed once Joker is finally dead.

He's been shot in the head by a cop dressed as Batman. It just made him a different kind of crazy.

Is Ace Chemicals still functioning?

Don’t know?

Lol, does it have to be? They could probably come up with some excuse that the chemicals still resides in the abandoned factory as vapor. Professor Pig could be torturing some poor soul Alá Jason, and long term exposure turns him into the next Joker. Pig wouldn’t be affected because he would have some filter under his hood.

Never. It never becomes Batman's fault. Nobody asked Batman to become Batman. They are lucky he does anything at all.

Why it's always Batman though? Not Daredevil? Not Spiderman?
Also why no one blames Punisher for being pussy who only kills low-level thugs and never big villains? Same with Ironman, Thor, Captain America and any other "heroes" who are willing to kill. Why there are still tons of villains? You don't have a moral code like actual heroes and yet you still can't job done.

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Joker's not insane. He knows quite well what he's doing is immoral. The guy is a sadist with a clown theme.

>has to keep his identity a secret
....are you retarded? Everyone knows that Castle is the Punisher.
>he's wanted by all the police
Which is retarded. I can't remember a single time in which an innocent civilian got caught in the crossfire of one of his gunfights. Unlike the so-called heroes, he doesn't let mass murderers live so I'm really not sure why the cops have such a hard on for him.

Depending on whos writing him, he either makes them look bad, has their support but cant publicly endorse or condone him, or they use him for political power plays.

They should do a one shot with Joker committing crime in Texas, and they give him the chair.

Batsy is suposed to be the default edgy grimdark hero, and the Joker is arguably more vicious and unhinged than other villains. For example, Norman wants to make Pete's life a living hell, Joker just wants to raise some hell in general.

You'd have to prove he's retarded

why is it Batman's fault and not the Justice System's? or the police?

we do live in a society

No, it isn’t because the death penalty is going away quite rapidly.

>That kind of retardation was fine for the Golden Age but it’s not really applicable for today.

Technically speaking, the government is only allowed to punish you for a crime once. They can't just keep slapping extra sentencings on after the fact.

If you were sentenced to death, and its confirmed that you died, and then something brings you back to life some time later? As long as you can legally prove that you were dead, unamibuously and to the satisfaction of the executors at the time, the law has to let you go.

Being immune to pain doesn't make you invincible. If anything it makes you easier to kill, since pain is your body's way of telling the brain "hey dipshit, we're in danger, do something about it".

Because it's shallow ass 'deep' thinking and hamfisted commentary on how scared people react.

same bat time same bat channel

lets hope she did

Why the fuck doesn't anyone blame Arkham Asylum for being absurdly incompetent?

>....are you retarded? Everyone knows that Castle is the Punisher.
Well user from over 3 hours ago, you're the retard. If you read his comics you know he's always under an alias and never reveals who he is unless he's actively hunting down criminals. Some of his stories just has him in civilian clothes and a made up name.

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I buy that Batman won't kill him, but surely any gotham citizen could walk up to him and shoot him in the head

Because that's complete infeasible.

Batcanon makes no sense, Joker being alive and well after killing Jason and crippling Babs is just ludicrous.

The cops would be much more involved in stories.
Everything else would remain more or less the same.

>>We were having a drink when one of them said "You know all those people Joker killed? When does it become Batman's fault?" and I said, "Why would it be Batman's fault?" he said, "Batman has the Joker on the ropes like ten times a year but he never does what he has to do. He ties him up, they throw him in Arkham Asylum, then he breaks out and he goes on another homicidal rampage. How many times does that have to happen before the whole thing becomes Batman's fault? I said to him, "It's not Batman's fault. Joker's nuts!" He said, "That's true but, it IS his fault the guy's still alive." and I stopped trying to say anything more to him while we watch as the News once again blames Batman on the recent murders.
Where is this from? I've heard this somewhere else, but I'm not sure if it was about Batman.

The answer is never. Every time Batman captures the joker, he turns him over to the government, who has the legal right to execute him. Batman can not be held responsible for the failings of the Gotham legal system any more than he can be held responsible for the failings of the Gotham Police, who should be doing this shit in the first place.

>ooo semi auto
>lotsa lotsa bullets

how much complaining is it going to take to teach writers how a fucking gun works

Are people actually defending Batman protecting Joker over and over again letting him go on one killing rampage after another and the state never executing or at least fucking lobotomising the motherfucker?

LOL! Liberals will literally destroy the world.

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Literally all you have to do is send Joker to war and have him die via IED. Every superhero in the Marvel and DC universe would not only celebrate his death then, but also call him a "hero".

This meme of a problem is a mere misunderstanding of how the world works. Batman isn't a character in a sensible continuity, he's an IP used for occasionally-well-told stories. Same with everyone else in so-called DC universe. Why does a mass murderer like the Joker with a ridiculously long history get away with it for such a long time without being killed? The answer is always "There is no answer because no one who owns the rights actually cares." If you want a story that uses linear causality to present a complete narrative where each event follows the previous in a sensible manner, read some books that are *finished* with endings and everything. Joker will live forever regardless of what he does because he is a multi-million dollar brand, not a character.

I doubt there's actual precedent for this.

I’m pretty sure that even if that was the case, Joker’s the kind of guy who the government would just try again even if doing so violated his hypothetical human rights. Do you know where outlaw comes from? It come from the Writ of Outlawry which stated that someone would be Caput lupinum or "May he bear a wolfish head", which meant that as far as the law was concerned, they’re basically an animal now so you can do whatever you want to them. Even just killed them on site. It hasn’t really been used in the anglosphere since the 1850s, but at this point, Joker is the kind of problem you could bring it back for and NOBODY would complain except for Batman because he’s a faggot like that

Batman isn't the issue. The issue is the legal system of his version of United States. Murderers and mass murderers like the Joker are sent to a municipal asylum. Guys who commit what would fall in terrorism categories over and over are sent to a municipal or local prison. There is no concept of state or federal law, no extradition, nothing. Gotham is more like a city state since everything falls in the city level. A city with the corruption, gangsters and marauding terrorists like Batman's rogue gallery would be under federal intervention for ages already. A guy like Joker or Ras Al Ghul would be actually tried by the Hague due the scope of the crimes they commit.
Turning Batman rogue gallery into marauding and murderous maniacs doesn't fit with the setting of "a guy who wants to combat crime in a city". The scope goes much farther than a mere city with high crime rates.

Yeah, he was in a disguise, because everyone knows who Frank Castle is. Was he there doing reconnaissance or infiltration?

This would probably be the most realistic end to The Joker, BUT if a cop is corrupt enough to do this they’d be corrupt enough to be paid not to do it.

No. Fuck no. It would not be corruption at this point.

Only once?

Why aren't they dumping rounds into him until he looks like hamburger? It's the same shit as what said with “Uhhh, Joker is REALLY evil, man. What if you tried to kill him and you missed? He’d kill your entire family in response and then you if you’re lucky! Do you really risk that happening?” If you miss the first time, keep firing until you run out of bullets and there isn't a single piece of him bigger than a thumbnail left.