I'm re-reading Morrison's action comics run and it might be my favourite Superman run. Though while I appreciate the golden age "action" of the first couple of issues I feel it really hits it's stride after.
Also rags morales seems like a real dickhead
its pretty bad
It's pretty good.
It's pretty great
pretty perfect
It's pretty much not canon anymore.
It's pretty godly.
It's pretty
I hope parts of it keep remaining and we don't get 100% secret origins again fucking terrible creatively bankrupt story with no growth I mean jesus out of everything they go with that
The Rags Morales art is a pretty big hurdle but the writing is good
It was a bit of a drag to read when it was originally coming out and the first arc was inturrupted by a legion of superheroes side arc, but honestly it's a fun run to marathon every now and then. Then run's the only reason Superbro has any fans.
I feel like it should be read as a whole, despite Morrison saying he set out to do one issue at a time he crafted a whole story again
One of my favorite runs of all time. One of the few truly great things to come of the New 52.
When the next crisis is over we’ll be saying the same things about The Green Lantern
everyone is loving morrisons lantern run though
>Also rags morales seems like a real dickhead
huh? what happened?
he just seems super up himself
bump
A bit messy but truly underrated, xadu and squadron anti-superman are top notch
NON
LINEAR
how did people feel about brainiac in this run?
>Try to make one-shots
>end up with an opus
Everytime, he doesnt know when to stop. Guess that is what he means with "a story takes a live of its own"?
it was supposed to be six issues iirc, assuming it would have ended with clark vs brainiac but he did fill in issues without rags and went crazy
>One of my favorite runs of all time. One of the few truly great things to come of the New 52.
If this were me, I would say that it's among my favorite runs of all time. I can think of Morrison runs which are stronger and better, for example, just in DC alone. And I can think of a smaller arcs for just Clark/Superman that I prefer for one reason or another, but it is, most definitely
>[o]ne of the few truly great things to come of the New 52
I would also list the entire collection of 19 issues, including the back-ups he didn't write but merely impacted, as amongst Grant's top four mainline (non-Vertigo) works for DC.
I honestly loved it a lot. Wish he would have done more.
i really feel like im the only one who really likes (or even kinda likes) rag's art.
OP i love it
Parts of this run are still in canon. The stuff with Calvin Ellis which leads into Multiversity and Xa-Du being used in rebirth Supergirl come to mind as well as the Kryptonite Man showing up in Superwoman and Superbro showing up in Sideways from the Dark Multiverse and the Kents dying in a car crash after Clark's prom
>"it's a return to Golden Age Superman!"
>lasts 4 issues and then descends into pure hypercrisis multiversal acid interdimensional invasion meta monster vs. the abstract concept of superherodom
Lol I love Morrison
It's fucking amazing although it suffers from missed potential, as we really needed a good more several years of Superman being a man of the people. Like 5 years or so. I don't mind the crazy way the story ascended but for fucks' sake, we need a more political, leftist Superman in the comics now more than ever.
Same. Really, Superman starting off in his Golden Age incarnation is such a genius way of not only incorporating the earliest version of him into the canon, but also allowing creators more stories to tell. It's pretty much one of the few things the nu52 did for Superman.
Rags Morales' art is weird in that sometimes, it's REALLY good and he draws Superman in a way where he's really handsome, practically being a bishounen, and sometimes he's just flat out ugly. So it's definitely a mixed bag.
Great story ruined by terrifyingly ugly art.
Good. JLA, Seven Soldiers, Bat Epic, Final Crisis, Action Comics. At best DC continuity hurts his comics, at worst it ruins them. Keep Morrison out of DC continuity, they don't deserve him.
The backups were surprisingly good
He had been golden age superman when the story started for some time at least
the best thing is he fully intended to keep it golden age then just got carried away with ideas
didn't morrison create a continuity for himself somehow so all his dc works are always canon
Yea they were by Sholly Fisch who Morrison handpicked because he was such a huge fan of his work on the Batman: The Brave and the Bold all ages comic inspired by the show.
>Chris Sprouse, literally the man hand crafted by God to draw a Golden Age Superman revival is put on the back ups while Rags Morales is on main art
Why?
Ah that explains it. Was some really great stuff in the backups pretty much as good as the main book
I miss superman having a little bit of an edge, getting tough with bad guys now and then. Right now he is just a big teddy bear who comes off as naive, it's like everyone is trying to write ASS superman but he was at the end of his career in that story and had the writing and wisdom to pull it off.
Hell didn't morrison say in his mind action supes and ASS were essentially the same character he was writing just at the opposite ends of their life?
>end of career
meant to say end of his life
Morrison chose Morales honestly Morales wasn't bad
I liked it a lot. But I am a Morrisonfag.
>No Grant Morrison story got into action comics 1000
literally what the fuck
I liked it, that one along Greg Pak's run makes new 52 run of action comics actually pretty solid.
Truly the dumbest comment in the thread and on the entire board. Bravo.
Didn't even know Pak wrote action. Have only read this run
The art was fucking awful
goddamn what is with people shitting on the art it was great, I'd take it over gary frank shit
Omnibus when?
THIS
But who knows, I don't even remember it getting much attention or recognition when it came out
We have taste. The layouts were cramped, muddy, and stifling and the faces wonky as shit. Big emotional moments rendered retarded bc he looked like Quasimodo. It was not good work.
>Always and I mean ALWAYS fall for it
>Have to pretend I'm mad for a month or so because I wanted "golden age john henry supes" or "space cop hal"
>As soon as the dust has settled I'm back on that scottish schizo shit
thank you based grant
Superman is such a good fit for this shit too
The comic book industry doesn't deserve Morrison.
It was alright. Started strong but then Morrison couldn't help being Morrison. Still it was better than anything else Superman at the time.
Thoughts on Vyndktvx as a villain?
Morrison just can't help it and I love him for it.
I love the villain's interdimensional simultaneous attack outside of time, that is such a great example of how Morrison is a writer who uses the medium of comics to its fullest and creates stories that can only be told in comics. That has always been rare but especially now when everyone just wants their comic to be a shitty movie.
Can't even begin to describe how let down this book is by the art. Rags is passable for the first arc when it's still that Golden Age style story because his style is so scratchy and pulpy but boy does he shit the bed after that. Imagine someone who actually understands paneling like JH Williams III handling this scene and the non linear multiverse stuff. It hurts.
did he ever come back? I don't know why they haven't used shit from this run, its the best in decades
>go to readcomics online
>see the rage and confusion when the 5th dimension shit is introduced
>when it starts jumping around the timeline
>WORST SUPERMAN STORY EVER
kek
Lol another writer reading Morrison's run and then following up on his ideas? Are you fucking nuts?
He wore jeans, the legion showed up in a confusing way and that's all I can really recall. I remember also thinking it sucked that Grant probably wouldn't be doing an early years of his All Star Superman because of this.
Read some of it. It's pretty stupid. Why does Luthor keep saying "It" like an autist whenever someone refers to Supes as "He" as if alien cannot have gender?
I mean, at the very least, all you'll get it Scott Snyder's brainless popcorn fun in Justice League, banging all his toys together like a little kid. Sure, it's a step down, but at least it's entertaining.
Hey, at least it ain't Bendis.
It's alright. Sholly Fisch's backups were better than the main story, and Vyndktvx is pretty weak. However, I think it's far more representative of Morrison's preferred take on Superman, and of Superman in general, than ASS.
>Grant probably wouldn't be doing an early years of his All Star Superman because of this
this is that
Terrible. New 52 sucks and 40s Superman sucks too. He was a thief with super force. Not the real Superman.
Because hacks shouldn't use good concepts, they'll just fuck it up.
>and of Superman in general, than ASS
absolutely this. ASS is great but isn't a status quo superman, its an older wiser superman at the end of his life and shouldn't be used as a mark for how Superman should always be written. It's also exclusively Silver Age style which is just one era
Is Yea Forums just a bunch of morrisonfags circlejerking at this point ?
>40s Superman sucks too. He was a thief with super force. Not the real Superman.
Retard detected, forcing his retarded genders on a race he knows nothing about. Small brain.
>At this point
He's always been well liked here newpal
And yet saying "it" about race you have no information about is the exact the same thing. Difference being that I never said anything about that it has to have the "retarded genders", just that it's reasonable enough to expect that advanced life-forms tend to come in those "retarded genders":
>REEEEE STOP ENJOYING THINGS
>just that it's reasonable enough to expect that advanced life-forms tend to come in those "retarded genders"
Spoken like a true single digit iq moron.
>"Maybe if I use insults instead of arguments, nobody will notice how retarded I am"
Kys
the whole internet is Morrisonfags, all autistic and drug addicted
I used arguments, and I'm not insulting you. I'm just stating facts. You're dumb.
So sorry that not every comic validates your made up genders.
holy shit you retarded mongrel, how fucking obsessed are you, anyone who wasn't deep down into considering chopping their own dick themselves would be this obsessed. Obviously, Lex calls Superman "it" out of spite, as a way to imply he's less than human.
>"I forgot animals have genders too"
It's okay user. I understand.
You're just digging your hole deeper with each post...
>"I-I don't have to adress all the holes in my reasoning. Y-you are just stupid"
Not the best by Morrison's standards, but the best Superman run by far since Mort Weisinger era.
The run was too good for Superfags, who would rather read Tomasi, Jurgens, Johns and Bendis.
Also, forgot to mention that it's the only Superman run worth reading outside of Alan Moore's Supreme and Millar's Superman adventures.
fun read, but terrible from a business viewpoint. grant is too batshit crazy to have written the new superman origin and it sunk perez's run. would have switched them, from the viewpoint of new 52 supposed to update the dc universe for cross media purposes. a solid perez origin to be the new beginning, then let grant go nuts with new ideas, crazy new villains and weird concepts and revivals.
still, a great read though.
The only hole here is the one in your head.
Yes, but there is a contingent of Morrison fanboys who will screech endlessly if you criticize any element of Morrison's work, sometimes even if you don't criticize it but only give a small amount of praise. Though I've noticed they do tend to avoid talking about Morrison's non-major works.
That's what I meant when I wrote that the backups were impacted by Grant
I would also read the first collection of the Batman Superman trade after the first Morrison Action trade.
There's an essentially edition that's the first two arcs, more or less - I think the Calvin Ellis issue is missing and the back ups are removed. It's a cheap trade collection.
They really do need an entire omni of the whole thing, back ups and art and scripts.
>worth reading outside of Alan Moore's Supreme and Millar's Superman adventures
There are other reasons to discard your opinions but this is a large one
>Hating Supreme and Superman adventures
Let me guess? Tomasifag?
The Green Lantern is almost finished right? How is it?
I'm actually catching up with it right now. I'm on the Hard Traveling Heroes issue and I'm loving the run, even though I'm not familiar with silver age GL.
All plebs who were complaining about Sharp's art can find a hole to crawl in.
No. Only half done.
>Morales is the main artist
>Chris Sprouse does back up stories
we almost had it
That's from the Greg Pak run right? I've always wanted to read it.
How's that? It's not a 12 issue series?
24+darkstars
What does that mean?
24 issues and a darkstar mini
Having Krypto be genetically modified to be attached to Kal was shit.
That's like Jeph Loeb level of not understanding dogs.
Other than that, they were cool.
Jae Lee has a strong Shuster vibe. He would've been great as well.
Shame he can't draw symmetrical faces to save his life. Everybody was like wax figures melting in a fire.
>Hell didn't morrison say in his mind action supes and ASS were essentially the same character he was writing just at the opposite ends of their life?
Maybe in spirit, but it can't be literal given the two different Pa Kent deaths.
absurdly bad art, pretty good writing
mostly because most people haven't heard of his more obscure works and are only familiar with his cape works and maybe Invisibles and The Filth.
Morrison is pretty widely read on Yea Forums, especially considering the size of his body of work. I don't think much of it is obscure outside of maybe Kid Eternity and the Oscar Wilde one and some UK publisher stuff.
Seaguy, Kill Your Boyfriend, and New Adventures of Hitler generally fly under the radar. And Skrull Kill Krew and Marvel Boy for his lesser-known cape work.
I want Morrison to do it to Spider-Man so bad.
>A proposed graphic novel in the wake of the success of Arkham Asylum, with art by Simon Bisley. Morrison expressed a desire to return to the Ditko Spider-Man. "It's not Spider-Man in Arkham Asylum or anything - it's action all the way with things blowing up from page one but it still won't be a great deal like the Spider-Man that everyone is used to"
>According to the webchat Morrison gave at Next Planet Over in 1999, the story was to begin with an attack by Mysterio, resulting in Spider-Man waking in a parallel world where Aunt May died and Peter never married.
>"The Spider-Man of that world is a creepy, skinny Ditko guy, who lives on his own and is shunned by the neighbors." said Morrison, "He only comes alive when he's out on the rooftops leaping about and squirting jets of white stuff over everything. Freud would have loved the story as the creepy but ultimately decent Spider-Man meets his counterpart from a place where Peter married a supermodel and made lots of money. The story was based around that tension and the ultimate redemption of the creepy Ditko character. I'd do something different now."
>Mark Millar later suggested that Morrison had also completed scripts for a Spider-Man mini-series to be drawn by his Batman: Gothic collaborator Klaus Janson. Most likely the two stories are variations on the same themes above. Neither the mini-series or the graphic novel ever saw print.
Sounds extremely fun.
No-one in this thread is like that though
That story was kino
Morrison has way too much Kirby in him, he's really not right for Spidey imo. Thor or F4 are more obvious choices (I know he did F4: 1234 but that was trash). F4 in the vein of his JLA and Thor like Final Crisis.
Serious Mode: Morrison making Superman the Golden Age incarnation in terms of persona at the start of his run is well-known, but didn't he intend for the Silver, Bronze, and Post-Crisis incarnations to be part of his character arc and growth in-universe? If I remember right Golden Age-esque Supes busts crime so well it opens up to Silver Age wackiness and sci-fi supervillains, Bronze Age is him being pensive if he's lost sight of his mission/the little guy, and Post-Crisis-into-"present" coming to terms with being both a symbol and doing his best to focus on doing as much good as possible.
Yea he tried to do all of the ages as character development the same way he did for the Bat Epic but it had to be condensed because he only had 18 issues or whatever it was. It's pretty clear when the second arc starts and it takes a full turn into sci-fi out of nowhere with Brainiac as the villain. The tone and the villain are both key aspects of Mort Weisinger's Silver Age Superman revamp.
Brainiac was still half golden age, look at the design of his robots that Superman fights in Metropolis
Rags Morales literally can't draw characters without lazy eyes. It's very distracting.
Read Superman Year One, in the second issue he joins the marines and fucks a mermaid.
It’s fucking great. After the dumpster fire of the last Pre-Flashpoint years when New Krypton flopped and Superman ended his career being a mopey faggot who fought Hank fucking Henshaw one last time because Jurgens insists on shoving that shithead down everyone’s throat, we got a Superman that wasn’t ashamed of being Superman. Morrison Superman kicked ass, fought for the oppressed instead of being a fucking yuppie, and he actually was committed to journalism instead of writing shitty puff pieces about himself. Also I loved all the new villains and am pissed no one used them.
Also the Kents are better off dead. There’s nothing more cringy than a 30 year old man running back to Ma and Pa for advice. It’s just pathetic, make shim look like a manchild.
God Secret Origin is so fucking bad.
>Oh hey Lex is in Smallville! I guess this is going to be a tragic friendship between Lex and Clark that shows that Lex wasn’t always a monster and explain why Clark thinks there’s a good man in there
>Nah Lex is just an asshole to Clark and has no redeeming features whatsoever
What was the fucking point? If you want to go with “Lex is a total asshole with no redeeming qualities” just keep him in Metropolis. Let him grow up in Suicide Slum so that we get that native Metropolian vs newcomer dynamic.
Thank you based Lanky Franky
>Jurgens writes Green Lanterns
>makes Hank Henshaw the final big bad
why is Jurgens so fucking trash
just because you have a bad relationship with your parents doesn't mean everybody does
Kek. Well we did get plenty of “Golden Age” stories with the back ups from Sholly Fisch, and Greg Pak’s Action Comics run. Fuck I wish Fisch had gotten to do the Superman book instead of Lobdell. I wish editorial wasn’t so fucking terrible.
Kind of. ASS Superman is basically the ending of the Silver Age Superman. Calvin Ellis was Morrison writing what he thought the logical endgame of Golden Age Superman would be: A Superman who seeks political office so he can legally enact his social reforms. New 52 Superman is Morrison attempting to do for Superman what he did for Batman.
New 52 Superman starts off as the self-righteous rough and tough social crusader, matured into the Silver Age scientist, and ends as the introspective Bronze/Modern Age philosopher.
I love that Kryptonite Man was a wifebeater that Superman beat up, that’s honestly the best Kryptonite Man Origin we’ve ever had.
Kents are always better dead, or at least one of them. I can't stand both being alive. Birthright and Man of Steel were still good though
Jurgens was always trash, whenever you got up-to his issues in the triangle era the writing turned potato
>A corrupt businessman 5-D imp who seeks to corrupt and destroy everything that Superman is
Honestly? As an ending villain for a Golden Age inspired Superman he’s perfect. I love Superman vs. the Devil stories though so I’m biased.
No one used ANY of his villains except for Xau-Du and I don’t get why? Nimrod was a Kraven the Hunter villain who wanted to kill Supes because Supes was the last of his species. That shit was way cooler than lame ass Hank Henshaw again.
>Calvin Ellis was Morrison writing what he thought the logical endgame of Golden Age Superman would be: A Superman who seeks political office so he can legally enact his social reforms.
Except Golden Age Superman wasn’t Black, and he doesn’t talk or act like Golden Age Superman at all.
Did the point of that really go over your head? That was Lex depersonalizing Superman. “It’s not human so it’s ok to electrocute the alien and pour acid on the alien to test its powers”. That’s just Lex being an asshole.
is this one of those "forest for the trees" situtations
I think you might be retarded, user
Perez got fucked by editorial. He might have done a good job but I’m not sure what kind of origin he would’ve given us. Morrison has the benefit of being Didio’s boy, so he can essentially do whatever the fuck he wants. Perez wouldn’t have gotten that freedom.
Remember how he revamped Captain Comet just because? Morrison loves comics so much.
One of my favourite parts of this run is where Clark "dies" and he becomes a fireman. Then he "dies" and all the other firemen look up his name and he died 3 years ago and they think hes a spooky ghost that saves people
>even the cat is scared of him
I actually have a great relationship with my parents but that’s not the point. 30 year old men don’t typically run back to mom and dad so they can cry and eat pie because Toyman called him a faggot. Why should Superman?
The Kents never actually offer any meaningful advice anyway. It’s just platitudes like “do the right thing Clark”. Well no shit why did Clark need Pa to tell him that? The Kents became Clark’s emotional crutch and it just got boring to read.
I’m fine with the Kents living long enough to meet Jon but I really do think Superman is better for them being dead. The Kents are exactly what everyone accuses Superman of being: Boring perfect people.
We’re talking about themes user. What’s the logical endgame for a Superman that wants to enact social reform but doesn’t want to go full Red Son/Justice Lord/Injustice/Every fucking evil Superman story ever? Get elected through democratic means.
My dude, I don't know what your issue but there is nothing wrong with adults going to their parents for advice. Pa and Ma Kent are wise people, they raised an omnipotent space god to only be moral and just ffs.
>30 year old men don’t typically run back to mom and dad so they can cry and eat pie because Toyman called him a faggot.
hearty kek user, but you really hit the nail on the head. I don't mind the Kent's but whenever he goes to them for advice it's always the same thing and the same speech
Not him but it's a fine line. They were used as a crutch too much in reality there is nothing wrong with going to your parents but this is Superman it's more interesting when he works through shit on his own. When you think of Superman's best stories that deal with him facing turmoil the Kent's are usually dead. I'm a bit of a bronze age fag though.
Remember when toyman killed cat grants son by slitting his throat
Yeah exactly, they render any moral dilemma pointless because they’re never allowed to be wrong. I hear it so often that Superman’s best stories are the ones he can’t just punch. Where’s the drama if he can just go to Ma and Pa for answers? Where’s the conflict? Where’s the STORY? So you can either make them fallible which would piss people off or kill them off which is my preference.
Remember when he was a pedo? Jesus Christ the 90s and 00s were edgy at times. Toyman should be a nostalgiafag who hates SJW updates to his old cartoons, not a fucking child rapist.
The number of writers who turned villains into pedos for no reason during the edgy 90's really needs to be looked into.
bump
God Xa-Du has to be my favourite new Morrison villain