How would Harry Dresden fare in the DCU?

Demonreach really increased his overall powerlevel, huh?

In Marvel, magic is basically just science. It has clear limits and using it extensively fucks you up.

It's a prison simultaneously made in the future and existing in the distant past, was built by Merlin, has auto-knowledge of everything around and on it, is strong enough to put down a Faerie Queen, is the source of a leyline so step that if it was destroyed it would level everything for dozens of miles around, and the prison on it has in the minimum security wing skinwalkers that were a near unstoppable villain in one of the books.

Also Nicodemus is shit-scared of the place.

So yeah, Demonreach was an upgrade. The mantle of the Winter Knight was probably a bigger one though, because Harry can carry that one with him off the island.

I dunno, fine? He's basically American John Constantine

It also has a self-destruct mechanism in case of maximum containment breach that would probably destroy most of the country if it went off.

Except much more pleasant to be around and he doesnt cause you to suffer just by being near him. I mean sure his love interests tend to have a short term limit on their lives but his friends do pretty good.

>he doesnt cause you to suffer just by being near him
many characters in the series would disagree, not just his love interests

Eh ok I guess its debatable. Constantine is really bad for it though, like you are better off never having heard of constantine as he retroactively causes your life to go on a downward spiral till you end up in hell. Plus he is rather an asshole most of the time.

Also while it doesnt always come up much I love the enchantment on harries gear that stores kinetic energy for later, he should totally put that on a set of rings and put them on a string tied to a ceiling fan then use it to disentigrate shit. Imagine how much it could get if he handed one to the flash?

With Harry, you typically just die, and if you're a genuinely good person (as most of his friends tend to be), the White God likely welcomes you. With Constantine, you're lucky if your soul simply ceases to exist after dealing with him. The man is a walking blackhole of misery and fates worse than death.

Harry would do pretty well probably wouldn't join the League or anything but you could expect him to pinch in during the major crises.

Magic, but cool.

Magic fucks with technology, I don't think he has ceiling fans in his apartment at all actually.

I know it does but the lower tech something is the longer it lasts, a ceiling fan in like a really old building should be ok, sucks about him not being able to watch tv though.

He's a wizard. He specializes in destructive battle magic. Kinetic force,fire especially amf more recently ice.

He has a minor healing factor, a solid decade of private investigation experience and more recently super strength.

Plus whatever tools he can whip up in his lab.

sometimes you also get forced into being a fairy queen

I want to see a batman meets dresden comic. All batmans tools would just go haywire around him though. Which would also be pretty funny.

And then find out that you're a literal incel because the mantle you take up requires you to stay a maiden. Even when you really really want to bang a hot virgin Warden.

>sometimes you also get forced into banging a fairy queen
Ftfy, molly is a faerie princess

Wonder if the Outsiders count as Crisis-worthy?

Oh shit I forgot to mention that tech goes haywire around Dresden.

Dresden isn't very subtle so I wouldn't want him on an espionage team.

No. She's a Queen. She's the Maiden aspect of a Queen, but still a Queen. Just like Mab is a Mother aspect and "Mother Winter" is the Crone aspect.

I forgot that dresden banged mab. The poor fool.

heh

So we're in agreement that Michael Carpenter would be in the League right?

Yeah, he seems like a good fit. Though he and Batman probably won't get along very well.

Apparently Mab has a fantastic ass though.

He would end up best friends with Superman.

I don't understand this reference.

Molly becomes the winter lady, the mantle is a virgin mantle however it also makes its holder into a horny slut. If the mantle holder tries to actually have sex though the mantle takes over and mutilates whoever they are with so they cant have sex since having sex would destroy or at least harm the mantle.

Dresden will have sex with almost everything.

He went four years without sex. Deliberately.

He's still a horny bastard, it's just that he knows that supernatural predators tend to use sex appeal.

>mfw the longer he goes without sex, the more lavish the women's descriptions become in the books

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And what did that leave him? An absolute horndog who was probably right on the edge of exploding.

Dresden is literally WIRED towards wanting to fuck things. Even a Fallen Angel's Shadow wasn't safe.

God I love this part of Harry's character.

As the Winter Lady, Molly can't have sex or the mantle will slaughter the "threat" to it, by making the Lady injure or kill whoever she's about to fuck. The mantle also makes the holder extremely promiscuous.

Molloy doesn't know this and tries to bang Carlos Ramirez, the Warden who's a virgin. Instead, she breaks his back and nearly kills him. Mab comes and cleans up the mess, fixes him, and "stays with" Ramirez until the White Council arrives.

Harry has the same problem with his own mantle of the Winter Knight making him extremely lusty. He wonders more than once if that was actually deliberate, as another way the Queens can keep the Knights under control or if they wanted mortal relief: making the Knight a horny bastard would be useful if they're too busy thinking with their dick to complain.

You know, now that I think of it, Harry doesn't get much. He's an long lived, super muscular, badass wizard who should be rolling in babes. But Harry's personality, horrible bad luck, and some ancient curse prevent him from becoming an utmost Chad. So he's stuck ploughing larpers and conspiracy theorists. Knowing full well he fucked up somewhere in a past life.

hey he gets to finally bone Murphy soon if Jim doesn't die before Peace Talks comes out

He's hooked up with Murphy now.

It's finished, user.
Apparently they're even making a live action trailer for it.

He only became muscular in the later books plus if Murphy's narration from Aftermath is accurate Harry comes off as an autistic nerd when not in battle.

I stand by my statement.

What, is he sick?
How many books are left in the series, by the way? Last time I heard it was supposed to be like 21 plus a post apocalyptic trilogy or some shit?

Apparently Jim had a whole bunch of personal shit. Divorce, new wife,his dog died.

I think Jim said he wanted it to be 20 with the last three being the apocalypse trilogy (meaning the book after Peace Talks would start the apocalypse) but that might have changed by now.

I just said that because it's taken so fucking long to come out, but that was mostly caused by non-life-threatening personal stuff.

I heard it was 20 regular books with an additional trilogy to cap everything off.

he communicates almost exclusively in nerd references and wears a fucking leather trenchcoat at pretty much all times, he's a huge fucking dork

Oh that sucks. But he's also writing other stuff, like that steampunk thing with talking cats that nobody wants to read, which I guess impacts the release tempo.

Ahem, I put down:
>But Harry's personality
Like I said, Harry is his own worst enemy.

It's a nice touch that the references get more and more dated as he loses touch with technology and society

That book sucked. What got me was that scene where the cats popped out, and the bad guy went "they're EVERYWHERE!" Bitch, they're cats! Grab a broom and sweep them outside, or just use a spraybottle.

that is how the passage of time works, yes

>Harry will never watch Avatar: The Last Airbender.
>Even though he would love it.
>Jim Butcher even tweeted about how much he likes Zuko's arc.
Poor guy.

I picked up the first Codez book of his the other day and found it much less fun than Dresden desu

Or just start kicking and stomping.

Wasn’t that the one he wrote because of a bet?

I didn't even bother with it. I did read the Codex alera though, and even liked it to a point. I'm not sure if I even have read the latest Dresden novel. It's so long between releases and I forget what happened before. There must be hundreds of loose ends that won't go anywhere.

I feel like it's written with younger readers in mind.

But Wizards lose their mana if they have sex, and can not longer be a wizard.

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Call it obvious if you want, but it’s a damn nice change from protagonists that are just designated contemporary pop culture reference vending machines.
Harry clearly wants to be relevant in his references, but what with fucking up technology anywhere he goes he just can’t.

yeah, it turned out alright. Definitely more YA than Dresden, though

Oh please don’t tell me he’s basically John Constantine

Just if they are straight, gay wizards are always stronger.

he's American, doesn't smoke, and creates mildly less suffering in those around him but otherwise yes

He's not. He's much more of a brute force brawler.

I mean, the trenchcoat duster is also useful because he can hide his staff and shit in it.

Yeah he claimed it was a bet to mix the Roman empire with Pokémon, right? I really liked the book where the canim attack a fort and the main character suddenly is in command because everyone in the command tent dies. The rest of the books were okay or meh.

we all know he only wears it because he thinks it looks cool

No in the “I do magic but cool. Fuck the classics. Doctor Strange is a pussy compared to me.” Kinda way.

He is a pretty cool if dorky guy, has a bunch of friends that tend to have bad luck but not always, is really really good at magic, and who doesnt cause his best friends to be stuck in neverending suffering. He is also not an asshole. He is basically american constantine if constantine was a nearly 7 ft tall guy who was actually a good person and not an asshole. Downside is he causes tech to explode when he gets near it.

Fun fact. Harry is canonically a huge Marvel fan.

No, he does a lot of magic but its usually more like "burn that shit, freeze that shit, explode that guy with a wall of force" or tracking magic. He is also really good with wards and making up spells to do what he wants.

Nah he's basically the Brute Squad in the books. He's got a lot of power but doesn't tend to play smart with it (Except when shit really goes down the track)
He's also a huge fan of stage magic and has a rather healthy relationship with his magic rather than being all 'Ree this is my curse'

Harry is strong, but not so powerful there's nothing that can take him out (quite the opposite). He's mostly just smashing shit with his magic until it stays down.

Made me chuckle.

I remember Butcher planning to write something. It was a generic fantasy world except the bad guy won and focused on a set of broken heroes trying to survive, peasants who really see no difference, and Orcs who're having to deal with bandit gangs, scheming nobles, and terror cells.

I know, but Animorphs and Shade's Children showed how far you can go with YA. Butcher... Didn't.

between Codex Alera and WordSalad Steampunk, Butcher doesn't seem to quite have a grasp on YA

Jim Butcher is a wannabe Steven Brust

>Steven Brust
Who?

Fantasy author. The Dresden Files take a lot of inspiration from his series in how it's narrated (and he's even directly referenced his books before)

You know, the more I think of it, Butcher should've just cracked down and wrote that fantasy epic. Having a brutal but comfortable (think Genghis Khan) Empire struggling to maintain control over a vast territorial landmass would've been a hell of a set up. The bad guys have internal divisions with the collaborators and opportunists like Hermann Goering and Petain starting to feud with the hardcore Waffen SS Ghostapo types who actually bought into the bullshit, all the while the barbarian tribes and orcs struggle to find a place in the new empire as they don't need to raid anymore. The average peasant doesn't notice a thing, in fact things might be better.

The Orcs ruthlessly cut down bandits in a search of something to fight. The razing of the wizard academies mean no more dark necromancers starting zombie plagues every Tuesday. And the roads haven't been safer in generations, allowing for a massive trade network to spread all around the continent. Then the resistance pops in and it's questionable whether they're trying to help people or they're out for revenge because the fantasy world wasn't exactly pleasant beforehand, making their attacks look downright petty and needlessly destructive.

See? That's interesting. No big heroes, just average Joes getting by while the great move chess pieces in the background. But Butcher would just try to up Animorphs or something. I understand he's going through a mid-life crisis and that's a shame as he's not a bad writer.

>he's also writing other stuff,
He has not released a full length novel since 2015. Which isn't horrible, but isn't nothing

Who injured Demonreach again? I remember the avatar walking with a limp and there was implication that a certain character did that.

Nobody, from memory. It had to do with the glacier on Lake Michigan during the last ice age.

>White Council gets dropped into DC
>don't really know what happened, but eventually recover and decide to go back to business as usual
>find out that some kid in 'Metropolis' started casting spells and generally doing shit they don't approve of
>send someone in to lop his head off
>tfw Superman flies in and completely BTFO's them

>Superman
>BTFOing wizards

So, I know Harry qualifies for a lot of lantern rings, but I think he's most suited for Alan Scott's Star Heart power.

He doesn't have any specific immunities to magic, but that doesn't mean a Fuego is going to harm him anymore than a normal fire would. Also, 99% of DF wizards have no context for something as blatantly rule-breaking as Superman.

Gatekeeper has fought him before. Not sure about the link though

To be fair they could still do shit like toss him into the nevernever

That was it, it was Gatekeeper. He could not set foot on the island because it kept a grudge and then Dresden remembered the limp.

Ferrovax or mother winter would fucking murder him.

Or it would at least be an interesting fight.

Just blitz them

Wonder what happened to Butcher. He used to be so enthusiastic about writing but now he just seems to be tired.

Superman would be deific status in a DC comics meets Dresden files crossover. The entire freakin' world prays for Superman to keep doing his thing. Also the whole willpower overcoming things from the Nevernever would probably help.

The worst threat to Superman would be evil wizards using black magic to kill him, but even that heart ripper spell probably wouldn't kill him because his heart is too damn tough to get messed with. The amount of power it would take to kill him magically would probably drain several gods. Corpsetaker would be bad though, s/he would do some crazy shit with a Kryptonian body.

Cant skinwalkers rip off someones skin with magic? Would hate to see one of them get hold of supermans skin. That said dc has a lot of nothuman but near human magical creatures, kinda makes me wonder if darkhallow set up on themescara or however you spell amazon island would work.

Ferrovax is an entity tasked by the White God to govern creation like all Dragons, and Mother Winter is probably only behind the Archangels and Walkers in terms of power. Superman's chances are exactly nil if he pisses them off.

He's been writing this stuff for years, and in between books he's been having awful shit happen to him time and time again. A man is going to be exhausted when all his work just keeps on getting rewarded with him getting screwed over.

Superman has thought robot in some verdions, its cheaty to mention but there you go. I remember supes pulling planets around before too. Which supes are we using here cause while I agree he gets wrecked most the time some of his versions are fucking stupid op.

yes it does, magical fire would hurt him just the same as if he wasn't Superman.

the limp is not connected to the Gatekeeper

Just give him a quick sun dip or two.

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Dresden didn't bang Mab. Mab banged Dresden.

Hey its a big table, they both had a turn

I assume we're using current Supes, who has the Father-Son punch here, , but that only worked becuase the Forger was an arrogant dumbass who thought he had already won.

It *might* work on Ferrovax. The Mothers are a big no, though.

Scott Snyder and his DBZ references can go fuck himself

He's the authors self insert, but I like the books they are fun.

>Oh no he's hot!

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I guess now we're about to see that put to the ultimate test with best friend/love interest

at least he toned it down with Harry banging the hottest women in the universe after a bit

Maybe he needs a change? Write things more lighthearted, use all that knowledge about folklore to create something more in the lines of Dave the Gnome or Hilda?

This.

Doesn’t the Starborn shit make him super effective against eldritch horrors, with the magic resist-pierce as a side effect of that?

I think Jim’s said there's no upper cap to magic in theory, just oodles more logistic fuck-yous than DC seems to have, and the rules are less hard limits and more things that either corrupt you or damage the integrity of reality if broken.

So they really are very similar forces in that once you get your foot good and firm in the door, the sky’s the limit.

Lash describes it specifically as "power over Outsiders," so being super-effective against them and magic-resist-piercing are likely side effects of Harry being able to control them.

Magic is also the goddess Hecate and the Otherkind, which are implied to be like fingers for the Great Darkness, now. So I’m pretty sure magic’s hated all spellcasters all along for beating it up/stealing from it

It was invented by a previous version of Eternity according to Ultimates 2, after all. Really it’s just a particularly universal system which happens to predate science.

With Hecate, she was just fucking sick of how they all let it get that bad, and was trying to 'fix' it in her own way. Which meant destroying the current form of magic and existence, and bringing in osmething new.

Butcher confirmed it was the glacier that caused the limp, not Rashid.
Not quite; it depends if it's fire that is itself magical or just fire conjured by magic.

>Karen: Crippled by Nicky
>Molly and the changelings: Boxed into a mantle by fairy maidens being bitches
>Michael: Gunned down while holding the line, far from Harry, and it was a stealth happy ending all along because he got to retire where most Knights fucking die. Plus he briefly went back into action with a fucking archangel’s essence and retired again with no issue
>Butters: Is becoming Magic Batman with a holy lightsaber
>Marcone: Is a baron, seems to be firm friends with Odin
>Odin/Santa, Hades, Eldest Gruff, Rashid and the Erlking: They all pretty much think Harry’s a good kid with guts and/or hilarious
>Thomas: Mostly came out of the adventures unscathed, has graduated to threesomes on his own
>Elaine: Outright saved from being vampire despairchow

See the thing about Harry’s friends is there is much, much less ambiguity about how little at fault he personally is for most of the bad shit that happened to his friends. Like, the absolute worst I can think of his him being mindfucked into faking his death near Karen. Plus a couple actually got better while John has literally only Tim Hunter. And even then, only kind of.

Is it weird I could see him following into the Doom Patrol?

>he briefly went back into action with a fucking archangel’s essence
that could've fucked things up even worse if Harry wasn't being a cheeky bitch playing the long game

Yeah, overall Harry doesn't really fuck over his friends much at all. Meanwhile, you could probably fill an entire damn book or two with all of the people Constantine has condemned to fates worse than death.

Im going to be the lorefag killjoy and point out Knights typically serve for so short a duration I can’t see him being on a team for long before being Oracle’d

That's because they usually get very violently killed by all manner of eldritch monstrosities. The League could probably help mitigate that unless Michael does something foolish

Man forget Superman the attosecond Nabu and the White Council hear about each other there’s going to be magical war

I could see him teaming up with them. I don't know too much about the Doom Patrol besides they're tv show.

Yeah but Shiro had a good couple of decades before dying. Don't tell me you don't want to see Michael fighting Darkseid. Or Michael talking down alien invaders.

>weak to plants
I guess that fits Summer’s unrelenting hate for him

Fuck bro the Senior Council vs Doctor Fate that'd be a fun fight.

The actual airship battle scenes were cool. Unfortunately those are only like 1/10th of the book.

They'd have to pull out all the stops against Nabu for sure. Which I can honestly see them doing if they figure out his true nature and all of the various fuckups he's caused.

Redpill me on Nabu.

Let's see:

dc.fandom.com/wiki/Chicago

Heroes known to operate in Chicago

Blue Beetle (Ted Kord)
Plastic Man
Hawkman (Katar Hol)
Supergirl
Nightwing
Man-Bat

Pretty well. Better than people like Constantine, for example.

Eldritch abomination using the Helmet of Fate in order to manifest itself, and bonds with a host in order to become the champion Doctor Fate. Has crippling PTSD and general issues, and occasionally flies straight off the railings when nobody talks him out of his paranoia.

...WOULD Michael even get to fight Darkseid? I distinctly remember at one point the fucking Spectre showed up to defend Darkseid because he’s “a necessary negative charge” on the universe. Or are we assuming the White Christ and Presence are different deities?

Dresdenverse White God is pretty pro Free Will. No way is Darkseid under his protection.

It fucks with new technology. The older it is, the less magic affects it.

As a big Dresden Files fan I recall Butcher said even if they could get her true name Mab would be a tough fight for the Council. Man also happens to be about planetary extinction level before mystic mods. So I don’t see them having better odds against a fucker who can cross the whole universe in seconds, wrestle the Spectre and y’know-nearly end the whole God Sphere with a few buddies recently unless they target the helm as a mystic barrier of separation super hard.

But hey, beats fighting Mordru.

The White God would take one fucking look at the Presence and judge him for every single failure he has ever made, especially in allowing for the continued actions of things like Darkseid. The White God is IMMENSLY pro-free will, and would probably throw in as many buffs as it reasonably could to ensure Darkseid does not win.

>The League
I’m pretty sure Outsiders are extra unkillable to any magic that isn’t really, really mystically rooted in a fundamental aspect of the world like the Wild Hunt it Soulfire or Winter Knight mantle. And one of their Walkers can mindfuck people into despair with a scream. Examples of nook-level Outsiders include a shoggoth that can mass absorb people to increase it’s biomass while simultaneously urning their screams into a hate plague, and a mist monster made of a substance beyond reality that kills or disintegrates anything on contact. And their masters gain so much power from been awareness a la New Gods that the Oblivion War exists to keep them forgotten. How does the League deal with shit right out of the Cthulhu Mythos?

It should also be pointed out that He Who Walks Behind is described by Butcher as being an Uriel-level threat, meaning at full power sniffing out galaxies with a casual thought is a free action for it. This probably holds true for the other Walkers as well.

The best bet the League has is to throw Dr Fate at it, and hope Nabu doesn't absolutely lose his mind from sustained contact.

The problem is that just turns into whose judeochristian god is bigger. A fight you probably don’t want to start with DC when the Source was recently revealed to commission and preside over more multiverses than just DC’s and IIRC Jim’s said his YHVH used to be a regular ole god like Hades or Odin and then something made him balloon the fuck up

FUCK Scott Snyder

Oh goddammit I was trying to forget about that because it makes no sense with how they were portrayed before, and frankly makes Nicky flicking off Uriel look dignified compared to Harry trouncing Behind before any of the stories started, not knowing what he was doing and not knowing what Behind was at the time. Let alone the assbeating he gave Before every time they went head to head until he finished it with a shot to the head

>even with all the bullshit powerups Dresden gets, he'll still probably get his kicked by Merlin, Ebenezer and other White Council elders
With all the incredibly powerful people Dresden has pissed off and will piss off, I wonder what his next power up will be to have him survive. He's still not high tier in his series.

Darkhallow calling it now. That or The Blackstaff.

>and IIRC Jim’s said his YHVH used to be a regular ole god like Hades or Odin and then something made him balloon the fuck up
Jim never really answered the question, from what I recall. He merely spun the theory that the White God could've been a normal deity that grew through faith, or that it even retroactively gained its power in some weird "I created Man and Man created Me" thing. This could also all be a massive fucking lie considering what he's said about Angels previously.

Starborn are a hell of a drug.

it's >implied Behind hasn't really been giving it his all against Harry as part of a grand plan

Theres also the fact that you can canonically go anywhere in the Nevernever if you go far enough, as it seemingly contains any and everything. And there's a statement from Jim that apparently Uriel spends a lot of time dealing with cosmic messes across the greater multiverse.

Really, it's something that's more or less impossible to answer for sure. All that can be Saud is that the White God is less of a dick than the deadbeat who abandoned all creation destruction the instant his son wouldn't take his place.

I dealt with Hal flipping out, fusing with Parallax and basically doing Goetia’s plan from Fate/Grand Order because he couldn’t cope with Coast City getting bust up.

I dealt with Barry ultimately being the reason why the shitty Flashpoint universe happened not Zoom, because the universe apparently hates it when heroes change the timeline but is fine with villains doing it and I’m sure Snyder will use that as a justification for DOOM lore.

I dealt with Malthusians getting their technology from a human from another earth operating at a different vibrational frequency such that they got future tech quicker.

I’ll eventually deal with the idea that DC’s god transcends hypertime and controls all of fiction.

>Uriel...cosmic messes
Good man. Really the other archangels are conspicuous in how absent they are at this point, unless it takes all 3 of them to hold down Lucifer or something.

>less of a dick
I mean. That’s not hard. According to Hellblazer he literally threw his conscience away to become the First of the Fallen at the dawn of creation, and Jesus’ birth came at the hands of Gabriel raping the Madonna on his orders. According to Carey’s run he literally does not give a shit about anything except getting one of his sons to escape their purpose. According to Eclipso’s last appearance he only loves humanity because their love sustains him. And between Flashpoint, Convergence, Rebirth and Hypertime as a concept everything there has ever been DC characters in tangentially or conceptually might as well all be canon in DC somewhere. So they can say Carey’s run is apocrypha all they like, the Vertigoverse still got linked as early as Flashpoint.

>Harry banging the hottest women in the universe

Who was that?

>Really the other archangels are conspicuous in how absent they are at this point, unless it takes all 3 of them to hold down Lucifer or something.
I assume most of them are off doing other shit. Uriel is just the Heavenly equivalent to a Black Ops agent, and thus has more to deal with down here than his brothers do.

>all that shit about the Presence
It's kind of horrifying how he didn't start fucking things up blatantly any sooner. It seems like Morningstar going out of his way to give him the middle finger started making him drop all pretense.

Mab for one but the way he describes them you'd think Susan and Anastasia are too. He just...really likes describing women he'd like to bang.

Harry is almost always horny. He just manages to curb it better sometimes. Which is most times when he's not around Mab or any other woman he has eyes for.

Its not that hes a Brute, Hes self described as "Pretty magically buff" with magic he just is proficient in evocation and lacks the fine touch for subtle spells.
He cant make a decent veil to hide his presence but he can craft complex wards that require an understanding of Physics and thermodynamics and more.

Like his specialty is thaumaturgy. Drawing links between objects, people and places and doing magic between them.
I've honestly wondered why he hasent been able to use thaumaturgy as some kind of buff magic for his many allies.
You think hes scary... a Buffed werewolf would be fucking insane.

Given he’s been stated to be a peer of mab, and even his name has iron in it, I’m fairly sure one of his tasks is to be a last ditch contingency if one of the faeries goes rogue

I really, really want to read the story of how Michael killed something like him. Hell there’s an amazing amount we don’t know about Michael’s backstory and even the specifics of how he got to becoming a Knight for a character who’s been there since the first books. I’m positive we know more about how SHIRO became one than him.

If you want to get existential about it, remember that every time the Spectre pulls everyone’s ass out of the fire. Every time Hal or Kyle taps into the Life Equation/White Lantern to save the universe. Every time people talk about hope, or faith, or God.

The ultimate cause of it all is a being that makes SMT YHVH look kindly and considerate by comparison. At least that guy sincerely thinks he’s helping.

He's powerful, certainly, but for superhero work he's got low endurance, relatively speaking. If he adjusted to the setting, magic would come a lot easier to him, and he'd be one of the strongest mages on the planet, limited by the fact that he doesn't usually dip into the meaner magics he knows.

This. Mab was the LEAST dangerous source of power he could have picked during that time.

He's a Noir wizard. Yeah, gets to bang hot chicks every few books or so, but pretty much everything elses not related to being a fire shooting wizard is kind of fucked.

Did he finally get out of his ass to pick some knighta to wield the holy swords or is he letting the Russian guy deal with all the denarii by himself.

Lots of magical heavy weights in the DC would be salivating to make Dresden their subordinate or avatar.

A wizard mostly unbound by the old rules of magic who is also highly resourceful.

Fuck, John Constantine is always being badgered by gods and demons to do their dirty work, imagine a wizard that is actually competent most of the time.

Michael got one temporarily, and they both ended up giving Nicodemus the worst physical and mental asskicking he’s had in centuries.
Butters has one too, and Michael’s playing Scooby to help him get /fit/.

I feel like Mab could cross that amount of space in an instant too of summoned.

More what the fire is supposed to do. If it's "burn anything" then it's gonna burn Superman no matter how hot it is, he qualifies as anything. If it's "burn at 10000 degrees" or "burn really fucking hot" then it'll deal with his natural durability, and this is a guy who can take baths in the sun.

>tfw Uriel "fighting" was described by Butcher as not really fighting, he just "thinks about it and then galaxies explode"

The other archangels have popped up. Michael was the one telling the Red Court to face Judgement Almighty and speaking through Murphy, and I think was the one (unless that was Raphael) who gave another of the Swords to Sanya.

More likely Gabriel, going by the trumpet-sound.

>Harry Dresden, the new Nightmaster
>Harry Dresden, avatar of the Green
>Harry Dresden, Knight of Gemworld (with Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld as his new mystic sugar momma! Or plucky sidekick! Or both!)
>Harry Dresden, mentor to Tim Hunter
>Harry Dresden, that guy who has dinner over with the Zataras sometimes and who Giovanni things is better for his daughter than that faggot Constantine

He’d be serially pissed off at the Lords of Order and Chaos, and the Heaven and Hell of DC once he found out what they were about though. Ironically, that also means Lucifer Morningstar would probably like him.

I’m still bothered by how in Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds Mordru just stood there and blasted Superman/Superboy Prime seemingly with no effect, instead of just conjuring kryptonite or red sunlight or ripping out their souls or that synchronicity shit that never seems to pop up in superhero punchups for some reason.

Probably because no writer wants to admit Constantine could solo the League ona. Good day.

>this many on Yea Forums have read the Dresden Files
Based.
I need to do my re-read of the series to get ready for the new book

I'm so proud.

It’s pretty shocking how the quality skyrockets after book 2.
Same with how the audiobooks get so much better after they shifted to Penguin.

>I really, really want to read the story of how Michael killed something like him.
The Dragon that the Knights killed was apparently arrogant as fuck and let his guard down because he thought the Swords couldn't harm him. Cue righteous shanking. Might not work on Ferrovax since he's the greatest amongst their number IIRC.

>The ultimate cause of it all is a being that makes SMT YHVH look kindly and considerate by comparison. At least that guy sincerely thinks he’s helping.
SMT YHVH is implied to have been turned against the Axiom by something else (probably the real Devil equivalent). So he didn't start out as a dick like the Presence.

Does James Marsters do a good job as Dresden?

Considering how Maeve got subverted by Nemesis, it's probably a warranted backup plan.

Yes, he fits it like a glove, especially when he’s allowed to cut loose.
That said, the first four had very odd editing that really messed with the sentence flow, and sometimes you could spot when they’d edited two takes together.
If you’ve already read them and want to see how the audio books are, I’d personally start with Death Masks

She also was shirking her job for centuries, according to Molly, which implies their mantle doesn’t compel their actions as much as Bob thinks.
It’s one of the reasons I suspect Butters’ theory is a red herring.

he has zero durability and a retarded hitbox

It's kinda horrifying to think that the mantles don't really act as means to completely limit what things like Maeve or Mab can do. Something like Mab is just actively choosing to continue her duties and safeguard existence, when she could easily freeze the world to death if she went rogue.

Oirc summer exists purely for that reason, to keep her in line

Sure they don't completely limit the mantle holder's free will, but they do everything up to that point. They make humans susceptible to supernatural law, compel them physically to fulfill their contracts like a supernatural being, and dramatically alter their personality to fall more in line with the natural state of the mantle itself to the point where most hosts of a mantle eventually end up nearly indistinguishable from the previous ones. It's like a mold into which human clay is pressed, the clay remains fundamentally itself but it's shape is radically changed to fit within the mold.

What are the raddest moments in Dresden so far? I haven't read them in a while, so apart from necromancing a t-rex to life my memory is cloudy at best. Didn't he escape some life threatening situation by making out with a vampire queen, causing some kind of energy blast that shot them out of the place rocket style?

>genocided the Red Court by bamboozling their ritual to kill him and his entire family
>came back from being a ghost
>became buds with Santa Claus
>took control of the Wild Hunt after beating Santa Claus and the Erlking in a fight
>shit-stomped one of the most powerful Outsiders
>outplayed Nicodemus in a scheme
>finally gets to date Murphy

Nah... Dresden would fit in better with Gargoyles. Partly due to Goliath having no choice but to put up with Dresden's many shenanigans. Batman would just leave as soon as the frogs showed up.

>genocided the Red Court by bamboozling their ritual to kill him and his entire family
That one was quite unexpected when I read it actually. What's the status with the black and white courts now?

My personal favourite is utterly blowing the fuck out of Tessa after she shot Michael

White Court is now the dominant vampire faction by a large margin since the Black Court is still nearly extinct.