Jay and Raven (Batman and the mystery of the Batwomen)
Where is Lark
LITERALLY better than the Batwomen in the movie.
I think we should come up with more sidekicks for DC villains. Two Face had those weird ginger twins, Riddler had Query/Echo, Lex has Mercy, and of course Joker has Harley. Anyone else in DC who could use a good henchman/henchwoman?
I don't even think I saw this DCAU movie, but I'll agree with you. This was a bad whodunit, right?
Jays and Ravens are both corvids
Baby Doll had her Henchgirl.
You're missing Lark as well
She's not really that memorable, and only appeared once with an already obscure character. She's just a secretary
Don't forget those completelly out of place Eskimo girls Mr Freeze had in one episode.
The villain life is great.
Poison Ivy had a couple
Yeah but those are all nameless henchwomen. I'm talking about a regular "sidekick" villain like Mercy and Harley. Furthermore, those ice babes seem kind of sad in retrospect given Freeze's situation.
Bane used to have Bird and Zombie for example. Can't remember when they last popped up. Mad Hatter had a gang, but I'm not sure if they count. Now I'm trying to think of good candidates who could use a No. 2. Black Mask? Ares? Black Manta?
She was totally down to fistfight The Bat
I forget her name, but yeah you're right. I think her problem was gimmick. Which I suppose they were going for "talent agent/manager" but it really wasn't eye catching. I suppose if you really wanted her to stay you could reinvent her to compliment Baby Doll's gimmick. But then again, Baby Doll herself isn't really in the spotlight these days
>Furthermore, those ice babes seem kind of sad in retrospect given Freeze's situation.
Some people have theorized that Freeze went for sexy henchwomen precisely because he no longer had a working penis. He had become a nihilist and a masochist at that point and wanted to stew in his own impotence.
All things considered, her "mousy librarian" look would stand out great among the usual villains and hench-types.
Black Mask had his PA, genderswapped for the animated film, in UtRH. Bring in the film version and play up the fact that she's basically a high powered executive assistant, just to a sadistic psychopathic crime lord. Go in on the "company man" archetype. Black Manta sorta has Black Jack to fill the role, but she's more of a sidekick/second-in-command.
In the show 'The Batman', Joker had two recurring henchmen named Punch and Judy before they brought in Harley, I think they also stuck around after Harley was introduced
>mfw right
so how much do you think Oswald pays them to put up with shit like this plus having to run one of the most popular nightclubs in the whole city. No way they get paid more than oswalds henchmen
Didn't Black Manta and Black Jack break up?
Do you guys like the bowler hat girls or Kabuki Twins more? The ladder kind of have a flamingo/crane thing going, and move like freaky birds
Bowler hat girls are for your day-to-day henching needs, Kabuki Twins are for when you need to send a message.
implying that their not cross dressing pinkguy twins
>that old Batman game with them as bosses
They were hard to beat
>She's not really that memorable
Not DCAU, I'm obligated to bring up this shameful display.
Query and Echo need more love.
Considering that they're usually implied or depicted as a lesbian couple, I'm amazed someone hasn't brought them back just for brownie points.
Don't forget the fact that they're both dominatrixes.
If they took that route, they couldn't just have them be Riddler's henchgirls again. They'd have to be something cringy like Harley and Ivy are.
I thought they were robots.
Keep the Kabuki theme and just give them crane themed Yukatas. Maybe fan blades that have a motif of crane's wings.
You could easily get away with simply reframing their relationship with Riddler.
Sinestro has a whole hench army with Arkillo being the clear favorite
Same with atrocitus but he doesn't really exist as a character without them, whereas sinestro does
Darkseid obviously has a bunch
The Brain has Monsieur Mallah
Give Gorilla Grodd a sidekick like Champion Chimp or Brutal Baboon
Black Manta could get a cool spec-ops like squad, let's call them the Devil Rays
Toyman can get a bunch of chicks for his squad. Dress them up as dolls and literally call them his "baby dolls"
Not a fan for how they look in the comics
I got more of Asian vibe from Raven, rather than black
Who?
Or they could always just bring back Darcy
They would have Riddler trying to fuck them over and them triumphantly beating him for some girl power shit (Riddler has tried to screw them over before but it was simply henchmen screwing that all villains do)
yeah, that doesn't work.
Penguin has excellent taste
Imagine how sweaty it gets between those legs
>Who?
She was a bullied girl that Scarecrow took an interest in for some reason (she reminded him of himself) and he offered her to become his sidekick and show everyone true fear. She refused though.
top gals right there
they should be combined into a single character.
I didn't like that they had no backstory yet were used so much. Maybe they really were just a pair of robots?
Ah okay. I had to Google her, and apparently only appeared in one issue back in 1998. Crane wanted her to become "The Mistress of Fear". Kind of neat I suppose. Crane doesn't really have all that much to work with really so a partner in crime wouldn't hurt. Could be cool if she was a former student of his before he became The Scarecrow.
What's her gimmick? Her look? Does she dress in straw too?
No, she never accepts his offer and then Batman saves her and she never appears again.
There was a lady Scarecrow though, Fright. She was a female geneticist who experimented on Crane and turned him into a monster, then gave herself fear gas powers. Her original stories from the 2000s are fucking awful and yet for some reason they brought her back in New 52 and Rebirth (though she seems to have devolved a lot mentally in the new continuity)
Make them regular criminals who work with, and are actually friends with, Riddler.
Yeah I know, I'm speaking hypothetically in the scenario she did say yes. And lets forget about Lady Scarecrow and that Scare Beast shit
Scarecrow had a partner in Scream Queen for an opener in Batman Brave and the Bold
Isn't there already a "Scream Queen" in DC but a vampire or some shit? Because I vaguely remember this episode, and think she was just a Silver Banshee stand-in
>tfw scarecrow has all these proposals but can't land a girl
Yeah there is an actual Scream Queen, B:BaB was Silver Banshee by a different name, probably to go with the Halloween/spooky theme but Banshee would have still worked
Well hypothetically it looks like Crane wanted her to wear "My costume but sluttier" like the nerd he is.
really lame, what he needs is a goth gal like this
Penguin isn't a one woman man.
Scream Queen in BATB was a cutie.
I mean we need a brown robogirl in a leotard tux.
Would you not agree?
Well that's lame. Maybe we can combine Mistress of Fear with these ideas
goddamn right
How do the Gotham rogues do it?
why do people call the mad hatter an incel when scarecrow does this shit
They both are, but Crane usually doesn't show much interest in women whereas Hatter (after the BTAS version) is always about going after women.
Money or the promise of it. I wonder how well Penguin pays? The TAS/TNBA version at least
Now do we want to give her a jack o lantern mask or no? Because I like the hood. A corset?
I actually came up with a new Mad Hatter henchwoman for a story I'm currently writing
Have any comics used perma frost before?
Because Scarecrow might score from time to time whereas Mad Hatter is defined by the fact that he can't.
nah the mask is pointless
>Now do we want to give her a jack o lantern mask or no? Because I like the hood. A corset?
Jack O Lantern is a bit too cliche, isn't it? Corset sounds good. Maybe a totally featureless mask under a hood so she looks "faceless"? The phantom type of look?
the featureless mask is also cliche as hell and doesn't play into the overall spookiness. I don't really see why she'd need anything other than heavy makeup, the trick being to avoid any similarity with Harley.
user drug induced rape doesn't count except in the southern states
Alright, just throwing the idea out there. Of course we could go the doll route but that's a bit cliche too. Of course we are talking about a woman working with a man who looks like he walked off the set of the Manson Family's take on Wizard of Oz
For me it's
Lark as an individual henchgirl > The Kabuki Twins > Jay, Lark and Raven in TAS
I really like Penguin and Lark's dynamic and I wish it was something we saw more often rather than writers making Penguin an incel who hates women because he can't get any.
Oswald is a gentleman.
The Kabuki Twins are awesome, but they are really out of place in versions of Penguin that aren't based on kung fu (hell it was even out of place in the show, we just didn't mind).
I think they can definitely work but either reworked to fit Penguin's motifs more, or given to a different villain.
just found out the comic version of Jay, Lark, and Raven are ugly looking dykes instead of petite qts in sexy leotards
The hidden face under the hood would work, would compliment how her hood transforms into a face of its own
Yeah but if you do makeup you're just getting Silver Banshee without the banshee powers
Maybe that's what she looks like under Fear Toxin?
I don't like how they just put her in normal clothes.
Cribbing off Scream Queen from BATB, make it a featureless mask except for the mouth.
It's a no-brainer, there's no need to come up with a gimmick on top of the gimmick
"scream queen"
deathrocker/goth horror movie fan, like this or Trash from Return of the Living Dead, dash of Elvira to get closer to and bam.
done and done.
you're seriouysly overthinking this
just make the actual Scream Queen Scarecrow's sidekick/partner, she already has the perfect look
yeah i know she died recently but death in comics lol
I'm fine with it, but mostly because I have a headcanon that Penguin respects her to the point he is fine with her not conforming to the dress codes he inflicts on the rest of the henchmen. And he is VERY strict about proper etiquette and style among his goons, so the fact that he lets her wear whatever outfit she wants without complaining says a lot about how much Oswald respects her (and said respect is returned by her fierce loyalty)
I do like the old cabby uniform she used to wear in her older appearences, but these days it makes her look too much like Mercy Graves.
oh that's more like it
yeah
yeah that's fine
Well as said before, we can't really call her Scream Queen given that there's a DC character with that mantle already.
So your solution is just to make Crane hook up with a real Vampire? It gets kind of iffy mixing supernatural with Crane's shit but then again Solomon Grundy shows up from time to time in Batman so I don't know. Plus the whole point was to do something with the discarded character, Becky Albright
>All things considered, her "mousy librarian" look would stand out great among the usual villains and hench-types.
Catwoman used to have a mousy librarian henchgirl too.
eh, fuck it
I'm going with that gal
Maybe that's all you can get in Gotham
>So your solution is just to make Crane hook up with a real Vampire?
You can just say she's not a literal supernatural vampire but someone who plays off the vampire schtick or has science-derived vampiric powers (ala Morbius or Nocturna). It's not like spooky superpowers are uncommon in Gotham, and a powerset or technology devised to instill an image of fear in common people is perfect for a Crane partner.
Also it's cute
Okay user I acknowledge all your points from a rational point of view but the only reason I'm into henchgirls is the idea of a sexily costumed lady (or ladies) hanging out and doing a villain's bidding. So I can't get into it.
She needs the hat. Bowler hat on a thug is a classic look.
I think you're going about it backwards. You need to define her relationship with Crane and personality before you think about the costume. One of the Witch Doctor trades talked about how they went through a bunch of designs for Penny that all fell flat due to looking too kitschy or tryhard when they went all in on goth/Halloween elements. Her final design of a sickly, haggard-looking young woman in a hospital gown and coat fit her role in the story.
>So your solution is just to make Crane hook up with a real Vampire? It gets kind of iffy mixing supernatural with Crane's shit but then again Solomon Grundy shows up from time to time in Batman so I don't know. Plus the whole point was to do something with the discarded character, Becky Albright
Vampire Scream Queen really is dead, Becky for whatever reason adopts her name and look and hooks up with Scarecrow.
Bam.
never thought i would see people trying to ship scarecrow on Yea Forums
I think you're missing the main point of henchwomen: being cute and hot.
Actually you could probably get away with Scream Queen anyway after a bit more research. Apparently she only ever appeared on Prime Earth DC back in 2018 in New 52, and died. So how about Becky, either willingly or not, breathes in the original's vampiric ashes or some shit, and thus becomes a vampire creature herself?
fuck yeah why not
Well SOMEONE has to. What else does Crane have going for him these days? All he ever does is drug people and yell BOO!. I think it'd be even better if Becky The Scream Queen was a different kind of vampire, and fed off fear instead of the normal blood shit
there's a good concept indeed
10 years ago people wanted him to fuck the Riddler due to those Nolan movies. It's nice that things have changed.
now for some fanart!
>past tense
You should check Tumblr some time.
You would also learn that chicks would like up for some scary dick.
She doesn't even need that, maybe she just reads about her in the paper and goes "Fuck yeah I wanna be that"
Bonus cute points if she's kinda bad at it and that's why she teams up with Crane.
Snorting a fat line of dead vampire in an attempt to get superpowers is pretty fucking metal. The dynamic between her and Crane could be Scarecrow's psychological/slasher horror versus Scream Queen's transgressive/monster horror.
hohoh!
Since I spend a lot of time thinking about what kinds of henchmen I'd give the Bat rogues if I ever got to write Batman, I'll post some ideas here.
Here's one for Penguin: Mr.Fowler.
This character exists only in the unpublished drafts Steve Englehart had for a sequel to Dark Detective, and he's essentially meant to be Penguin's version of Alfred, a holdover from the days Cobblepot's family had all the money and dignity to spare.
I'd like to take this character and expand on him as Penguin's personal assistant.
While Lark handles Penguin's henchmen and missions, her single-minded loyalty and temper leaves no room for business acumen, and Mr.Cobblepot is too busy to handle everything himself. That's where Archibald Fowler comes in, serving as Penguin's left-hand. Caretaker of his finances and dealings with upper class, white collar crime, whenever Oswald is too busy palling around with the Arkham rogues or trying to steal bird-themed jewelry.
Although he is Penguin's Alfred, Fowler has little compassion, even for his master. He was brought into Penguin's organization as one of the first things Oswald did when he acquired a criminal empire, in order to pass himself off as a rich gentleman who owns a butler to order around. He is impeccable in every regard and loyal to Oswald as long as he has a paycheck, and in some aspects he fuels Penguin's fantasies, coddling Oswald's ever burning desire to prove himself upper class.
And, of course, he has to be played by Paul Williams. That's a must.
>People are so desensitized from living in Gotham Becky's vampire shtick isn't enough
>Hangs out with Crane for the easy free fear meal
Getting supernatural powers from mistaking vampire ashes for blow is equal parts hilarious and awesome in my book
Scarecrow is crazy popular for Tumblr shippers, ever since Cilian Murphy.
What if we gave Scarecrow a cute witch gf?
this is amazing
you're late, bub, we already figured out as much
Does it give her the actual white skin and black hair or does she have to use makeup? The original Scream Queen seemed to have that naturally but Becky doesn't look like that at all.
>Becky
I'm okay with Scarecrow getting a female henchgirl as long as we collectively agree to pretend New Year's Evil never happened.
Scarecrow really deserves better than some shitty fanfic OC
Oh, no need for makeup.
shit this is inspiring, I feel like doing fanart; what should Scarecrow and her be doing?
Naturally pale, but heavy on the eye shadow
How about watching a horror movie together? Hiding in an alleyway ready to scare someone?
If we are going to give Scarecrow a vampire henchgirl then she has to at the very least look potentially scary.
Trick or treating (with added fear gas)
no, it's cuter if she doesn't and she needs to pass off as human
also >le monstergirl
Same artist. Draws an awful lot of Scarecrow.
Becky is a psychic vampire, stealing away people's emotions and psychic energy, leaving them mentally drained and emotionally blunted husks that need ever increasingly potent stimuli to feel anything. Some of them even willingly seek out Crane by the end.
Hair's a dye job, skin is more of a sickly pale than chalk white.
good good
Imma get to it
Because she's not a vampire who is a scream queen, she's a scream queen who also happens to be a vampire.
Trips have given him power. God bless you, user. I don't care if DC steals this, I'm happy we were productive (albeit over another Goth waifu but still) salvaging forgotten characters
Skipping along a road with a black and white rainbow over them with "PHOBIAS" on it
We've never produced an actual goth waifu so far, only mallgoths. It's time for an actual goth girl.
Scarecrow has a lot of untapped potential for henchmen because, realistically, he's too poor to actually pay for proper goons and equipment, but his fear shtick can lead to all sorts of scary goons and ghouls to follow him. So we have a limitation to work with that only leads to better creative opportunity.
One idea I'd like to see explored more is Crane recruiting former students or patients to work under him, as agents of fear.
Maybe they heard legends across Gotham universities of the professor who went crazy and now haunts Gotham.
Maybe some of them were inspired by the way Crane kidnapped a student's abuser and made him live through his worst phobias before Batman handed them both to the police, and they think Scarecrow can protect them from bullies in a way no one else can.
Maybe they relate to Jonathan Crane's own story of being ostracized and bullied and finding strength in a scarecrow costume, and they seek out Scarecrow mid-crime in their own homemade costumes.
Maybe some of them were on the receiving end of Scarecrow's fear treatment, and they want more of it. They want to face their worst fears and come out stronger, or maybe they just get high off fear gas.
And maybe some of them actually are monsters, unable to pass off as normal humans, and they look at the scrawny professor in a burlap costume who terrorizes the city and fights it's greatest enforcer of status quo, and they think he's someone worth following.
>Fright
How about Madame Crow, the one from the victim syndicate
Doesn't Hatter already have March Hare
Since we are talking about a goth sidekick for Scarecrow, I'd like to point out that there is a potent connection between Crane's origins in the American south (some of his stories borrow heavily from Southern Gothic story elements even), and the fact that said American south has a very real goth subculture.
March Hare, Walrus, Carpenter, The Tweeds, etc. My idea involved a woman with 3 personalities
Elaborate
>Crane and Becky fight over who gets to wear the wide-brimmed hat tonight
Well I feel weird divulging this stuff this early, even before a proper first draft, but essentially she would be the Id, Ego, and Superego fractured by Jervis's drugs/hypnosis. All of them loyal to him
is she/shes cute?
Two-Face is a character who's gotten a number of different "main henchmen" over the years and none ever stuck.
Sugar and Spice are decently memorable but they've only shown up on the Arkham City comic, and their presence pushes Two-Face into a level of camp most writers try to avoid when writing him (which I don't necessarily think is a bad thing).
The only one that really sticks to mind is Benny from Long Shadows, if only because they have a refreshingly frank dynamic with each other. Unfortunately he never showed up again, but I wish he stuck around.
I imagine today henchwomen are not politically correct.
God her Scarecrow art is the fucking GOAT
she's pretty amazing. she also draws some also draws some art of him paired with original characters. i've been meaning to commission her for some.
I'd like Riddler to have a henchgirl who is a black woman with white dreadlocks shaped like question marks
Speaking of henchmen ideas, I really like how The Batman, of all things, approached Riddler's henchmen.
Yeah yeah, the design sucks and the show sucks, whatever, but the idea of Riddler, puzzle-obsessed media manipulating genius he is, employing hackers as henchmen is extremely in character.
Additionally, while he would obviously require some brawn, Eddie would vastly prefer having guys like these around, rather than having to rely on dumb jocks to help him.
I'd like to see Mr. Freeze have a group of sympathizers who just want to help him cure Nora.
bump
I can hardly believe this got over 100 posts.
> MIRIAM!
Maybe I recall the name because Baby Doll yelled it out so loud.
fucking hell, getting bored of drawing already, why does it stop being fun so fucking fast.
This is a really rough approximation of what I had in mind, I think I'll come back to it if there's any interest in it.
One thing in her favor is that she isn't a generic Timm design.
I really like the expressions here.
instead she's worse
bump
She and Scarecrow teamed up in BATB.
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not the same version
Actually that makes a shitload of sense, especially with Scarecrow's "hanged preacher" design, it fits right in with this music video
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give Scream Queen a big ol chainsaw and it's perfect
god short haired girls are so cute i can't stand it
the thonking man's Joker, in a sense
Yeah. But I kind of like the cloak.
Not just any kind of chainsaw.
oh good good
I'm working on it
Riddler had Echo and Query for a time.
nice leotards
bomp
Cool. Nice job user
amazing
Imagine Scream Queen screaming in a movie theater.
Pepper Ann made some weird career choices.
On a serious note: I kind of like how unusual this design is for a henchwoman. A ginger librarian.
how so?
Well, he'd need guys like these to be on the same page as he is so that his overly complex plans work. Unless he's written to be so much of a narcissist, he'd opt for dumb jocks over smart henchmen.
I like this idea. She could be a lieutenant. Maybe some martial arts skills.
So how does this relationship work exactly? Because hopefully this does something for Crane's character other than his usual bullshit "scientific study" excuse as to why he gases people.
I'm not sure if anyone really even came up with how they met.
Well that's the thing, they've already met. Well, before transformation I mean. The original Scream Queen got her head blown off by one of Waller's neck bombs. So the question is how does she become ash, and how does Becky snort it like a line of coke?
In the comics, her neighborhood was gassed by Crane, and when talking to her while on trial, he took a liking to her. It was never reciprocated, though.
I think that works as an origin, and it's not too similar to Joker/Harley because Crane's more clingy to Becky than she is to him.
How would it evolve his character though?
What would happen if Maven and Mariam met? Bonus if Baby Doll and Selina are involved
If Becky becomes a "Fear Vampire" similar to how Psycho Pirate is a emotional vampire, then that opens up a whole new branch of research for Crane to delve into. In DC fear is actually a measurable source of power, which Scarecrow briefly encountered when he was given a Sinestro Corps ring. So with that in mind, what could Crane fuel once he discovers fear can now be collected and used? A knockoff Power Ring where his illusions are now real?
So essentially, Becky leads Crane to becoming a more interesting person beyond just 'I want to know people's fears', and more 'I want to know fear'.
All and all would be a good development
>Mistress of Fear
>Lady Scarecrow
>Scream Queen
>Madame Crow
How the FUCK does Crane get so many bitches
And there we go.
Cute couple aint they?
The body is cremated to dispose of evidence, and a government coroner has a side-business of selling re-coloured ash as cocaine?
Awesome.
Becky never becomes Scream Queen though, doe she? Or are we just making headcanons?
There was a brief thing in Knightfall where Crane wanted to become "The God of Fear" which essentially became him projecting a giant hologram of himself over Gotham and scaring the piss out of everyone (this was after his team up with Joker where they kept gassing the mayor). You could reference that, Crane acknowledging that fear without a real danger is meaningless, which in turn fuels his desire to make fear more weaponized than ever.
Didn't think of a chainsaw but I think it works. Plays with that classic horror movie style, and chainsaws are naturally scarier than a knife or gun because of how loud they are. Great work
In this thread its just fun new headcanon that revitalizes/combines two obscure characters to make something new, and hopefully given Crane more material to work with
she spooked
That’s some art design there
He's just tall.
Chicks with daddy issues will fall for any guy as long as he's at least two heads taller than them.
Hence Adam "Wilbur Whateley, Spawn of Yog-Sothoth" Driver's female fanbase.
based and lanklet-pilled
shit, could even be novelty stuff for the weirdos who live in Gotham
I like to think she and Batgirl would have a chainsaw duel.
Okay how about this?
>Coroner is there to clean up the mess. Ordered to keep her in the morgue until science division picks her body up for study (vampire DNA is arguably worth exploiting).
>Dumbass intern accidentally sets the corpse on fire
>He's fired
>Intern scooped up some of the ashes thinking he could sell it, bullshitting a pharmaceutical company or something
>Intern returns to apartment where dumbass roommate thinks its drugs
>Halloween party
>Becky is there
>Accidentally inhales this shit or else gets peer pressured into doing a line of it
>Changes.
>Halloween costume gets slightly altered to become her villain costume
>Seeks Crane out because she knows he can give her that sweet fear fix
seems like the type, innit?
Well first off they don't have to be love interests at all, they can just be friendly. Crane needs friends, that's like 30% of his characterization. Actually getting one is bound to bring about some interesting developments
alt version without the bullshit glow
I'm not sure. Is the intern just happening to have a roommate who also happens to know Becky kind of far fetched? Probably not since it's not like they're related.
If it's not then it's neat.
I think it's perfect. Also explains why she dresses up as Dinah Cancer
Basically like that scene from "Mandy." Batgirl would have just a single bladed chainsaw to make it that much more tense.
Should Becky! Scream Queen have a mask? At first at least when her identity is unknown.
>Scarecrow takes a liking to Becky while he's in custody
>Escapes
>Becky, seeking revenge (or maybe not...) realizes he left her hints and whispers no one else knows about, goes to find him
>have an edgy talk in Scarecrow's hideout
>Scarecrow admits he feels lost, Becky does too since he fucking killed her parent's, but she's too traumatized to mind
>couples therapy themselves using a dozen varieties of fear gas
>Becky's a lightweight so she gets completely daffy
>finds Crane's box of fear vampire ashes, thinks its cocaine
>downs fucking all of it
>passes out
>wakes up the next morning as a fear vampire
>Crane isn't even mad
A good old gas mask would be sufficient. Still within the aesthetics of that fields of the nephilim music vid, and makes sense in context
that's way sillier
Seriousfags get the rope
Nah. Crane wears one, she’s an actual monster. It helps Mirror them
I thought that was the point? She could be the intern and the fire she caused made her breathe in the ashes
super cute!
Oh that's a good option as well.
Okay now time to get some more autismal OC, is there a drawthread up?
Yeah, but isn't that just for delivering on requests?
Our drawthread is mostly request, wait, and deliver. We can just dump art and shit here
Very simple:
Crane needs help for crime => Scream Queen helps him => Scream Queen receives headpats
it's win-win
okay then how long until he straps her to a table and probes her in weird places to learn the secrets of her metabolism like the giant nerd he is?
Some sort of stocking mask with tears in it with hair hanging out. Maybe some light gothic makeup over it.
I'm same fagging btw. Just wished I got this idea sooner.
Probably for the best. Not sure if it's within the rules.
You can ask there though if you want.
I'm in the boat that says Becky, as previously drawn, works great without a mask. Kind of gives her that 80s rocker/horror vibe, and it compliments what she IS. She's a monster now, while Crane has to put on a mask. Kind of like horror slasher teams up with movie monster, you know? When I look at Scream Queen I think of Return of The Living Dead. Plus it kind of works with her character arc if she goes from a fear stricken victim to a monster who embraces and gets drunk of fear kind of like what Scarecrow does. Plus in my mind, she's a total horror movie buff
Yeah, I have the idea that she's into horror as well. Monster as in her skin goes all gray, and she gets the fangs? I suppose.
yep, pointy chompers
He already did but doesn't remember
Right bunch of nerds the both of them. Goddamn what a good concept, beats the hell outta joker and harley
That gave me an image of her being uncomfortably close to Nightwing.
Something like this, but switch the sexes, and Scream Queen has more of an open mouth.
>"Check it out, Crane!"
>Whirring double chainsaw
>".....really? Joker is less subtle with a bazooka. Furthermore, I thought you didn't need blood?"
>"I don't. This is just loud and scary. Murder is scary. Just like that movie "I Know What You Did At The Logging Camp"
>"The what?"
>"OKAY WE'RE WATCHING THAT TONIGHT!"
Or more or less what these two usual are up to
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cute cute CUTE
Scream Queen is for Jono
>Crane actually taking notes during the horror movie marathon
TONIGHT!
Okay I think we got Scream Queen and Scarecrow figured out pretty well. Are there any other villains who could use a second in command/partner? Perhaps a Kratos knockoff for Ares to fight Wonder Woman? A playmate for Toyman?
didn't Toyman make a robogirl at some point?
Oh yeah we did bring that earlier, Darci, who's basically a Barbie joke. Yeah that could work. Plus its kind of funny that Toyman made his own girlfriend so he can still sleep in a race car bed
Yeah she's doing her thing, she's fine.
Speaking of robot girls however, remember that time Lobo got kept in a zoo and had two babes taking care of him? Of course they were antagonists but he probably would have kept them around in different circumstances.
The Main Man works solo. At best I'd expect them to be broken ass robot women who fix up his bike and give him a beer during down time. Lobo had a real girlfriend, and won't settle for fake pussy.
Let's be honest, he'll settle for anything. But yeah he works solo
What if he had a girl of the week?
I just remembered Mirror Master had a sidekick in The Batman called Smoke. Weird
is henching a viable alternative to prostitution for young ladies in a pinch? there sure are a lot of hench wenches out there
Probably. I'd like to see a comic series or a cartoon where a henchwoman and a prostitute are roommates now that you mentioned it.
Watch.
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Here's your vampire henchgirl.
Has there ever been a thing where they go into detail on how henchmen/woman get hired? I can't see Mr Freeze or Poison Ivy going out a recruiting people.
Probbaly they just go to "bad guy/criminal bars".
I do remember the bad guy bar thing
Where?
in a one-shot where all the rogues recounted their experiences with baman
I'm pretty sure they just put out a help wanted ad with Calculator, and through a series of connections they get hired
Oh. That was "Almost Got 'im."
I also really like the idea of her having pointy teeth that are purely cosmetic.
Do we want to somehow incoporate The Medusa mask along with the vampire ash as part of her origin? I only suggest it given the unnatural vampiric condition that she has. Also I want to say that UV light doesn't kill her, but hurts like a son of a bitch
Firefly also had Blaze
Wow I literally forgot about her. You could possibly do something with her since Firefly is pretty bare bones right now. The most he ever does is burn shit and occasionally team up with Killer Moth. Furthermore, we've already had examples of a female Firefly as seen in the show Gotham. But question is, what would you do with her? Another bug motif? I suppose she could burn blue
She's dragonfly?
Goddammit. That's actually good. Well done.
Firefly has the Firefly girl from Gotham as a sidekick in the comics now.
She'd have to have four wings. Not sure about weaponry, though.
Interesting.
I forgot how cute she was
I think that was Ted Carson, the other Firefly. The one with Blaise is, I'm pretty sure, Garfield Lynns.
Huh, how about that? Not surprised about synergy, just that this is what happens when I stop reading Batman after years of fatigue. Furthermore, it's starting to become a bad habit lately where writers just throw the word "Lady" in front of a male villain's name.
So should we still brainstorm "Dragonfly" as Garfield's protegee?
Sure. It's more interesting than "Firefly. But a woman."
I don't know, I personally like just sticking to Blaise, since she's more or Lynns' girlfriend than sidekick, like Brigit is for Carson.
Neither have a very fleshed out dynamic, though
Alright well how about this? I think it'd be cool if instead of giving her flamethrowers, her wings just engulf her in flames. When they flap at high speeds, they reign down fire like hailstones. She'd almost be like a shooting star or a comet burning across Gotham. Where Firefly can direct his flames with his flamethrower, Blaise is more AoE. She burns across the sky like a dragon, maybe even have a long "tail"? I suppose we could also keep her romantic with Garfield.
I have the thought of her blazing a valentine message or a marriage proposal with her wings.
I thought of her having something like a "powerful winds" gun, but this sounds better.
>Garfield is in Arkham
>Looks out the window of his cell
>Big burning heart in the sky
>Later gets busted out by Blaise
Random idea; she has gloves that melt shit
This is the most productive and interesting thread I've seen in Yea Forums for a while. Good on you, character-developer Anons.
I love threads like these because it gives anons and myself an excuse to do something fun with forgotten/obscure characters. It sure beats "Lets make a girl version of a male villain".
That'd be cool too.
I doubt the OP expected this.
I'm shocked we even had a drawfag participate. Which thanks again to the generous user who did, because it was fun creating the new Scream Queen. I wish more threads were like this. Well, technically we do have productive threads happening. Those Channel/Spinel edits are cranking out like clockwork, and Ms Yea Forums starts this friday so there's that. I think this thread also few under the radar given the OP too. I'd almost suggest a new, character creation focused thread after this but I also don't want to push our luck either.
You can try it, but I'd wait a few days. At least almost a week. You could try doing what did. Because it worked.
There's already a Batvillain called Dragonfly, she's in that team with Tiger Moth and Silken Spider. She's obscure, but repeating names triggers my autism.
Reminds me of that 'Killer Moth villain team' thread last year, where anons fleshed out KM's family, including an estranged wife, and his supervillain team, made of D-list bat villains from the 60's. His wife was Tiger Moth, of the aforementioned villainess trio
>repeating names triggers my autism.
Yeah I'm kind of the same way. However in this case you could probably get away with it given how "literally who" that team and character is. But feel free to disagree. Of course you could do "bombardier beetle" but then you lose out on all the flying shit
How about Dragonwing?
Damselfly works good. You can keep the Dragonfly aesthetic and have it clearly say 'girl firefly' in a non-lazy way. Best of both worlds
I'm not sure. Too archaic?
No? It's just a smaller type of dragonfly. I heard it all the time when I was a kid
There's a species of dragonfly called Flame Skimmers. Just throwing it out there
Fitting for the fire wings, but doesn't fit the winged bug aesthetic.
Why not just call her Firebug? That's another name for arsonist
Damselflies are an actual insect.
Bombardier works pretty well. Drop the wings for a bigger, bulkier jetpack with extra nozzles, add on a bunch of armor, and have her focus on explosives rather than direct incendiaries. You blend the motif of a beetle with a bomber.
No, you don't want to get too complicated with it. Snorts a line of dead vampire, becomes a psychic vampire, gets a couple of purely cosmetic physiological vampire traits. Her nature as a psychic vampire is important since it means that she and Crane can switch roles. Just as Crane can become a direct, physical threat through his fear gas and murderous nature, Scream Queen's psychic vampirism means that she function as a subtle, psychological threat.
It's literally a winged bug though?
That works, but Flame Skimmer sounds just a tad to... unnatural, if you get what I mean?
Because Firebug is already a villain, which violates the whole naming autism thing we have.
Damselfly seems a little too dainty for a fire-based villain. But I suppose it's more fitting than the other we have.
>That works, but Flame Skimmer sounds just a tad to... unnatural, if you get what I mean?
I think I get you. It's not as catchy or roll-of-the-tongue as just dragonfly or something
Make her smol and dainty.
Well then good thing she's not a villain, just Firefly's girlfriend/henchwench
Also, has anyone else been having a massive fucking pain with captchas today?
Bombardier could work, if we're going in an entirely new direction with Blaise. Which could be the better route come to think of it given that Garfield is already a crazy flying arsonist causing havoc. So I guess now she's going the Plastique route of being a bomber? A heavily armored napalm gal could work, and be a nice contrast to Firefly. But then how do you add that dash of femininity to the character design if she's this walking slow tank?
I don't know, could go either way. Like I said, you could probably get away with "Dragonfly" given how nothing she is.
>then how do you add that dash of femininity to the character design if she's this walking slow tank?
You don't. You go full Samus with her.
is better than
sorry, just a fact.
A tank that can fly.
I think we should try and stay close to with her.
This.
Also to swing back to Crane's development, I thought of something. You know how we pitched the idea of Becky being one of the first steps of Scarecrow harnessing fear as a resource, and being inspired by Sinestro Corps ring? Well why not tie it back to Sandman as well? If you recall, Crane was present to witness Morpheus and Doctor Destiny interacting in Arkham when the world almost went to hell over The Dream Stone. So with this in mind, Crane could use Destiny's old machine to help connect to The Dreaming and try to harness endless nightmares. Yes, no?
That looks like a masterful transfer. How can Disney even compete?
That could work. Imagine if she has a bug looking fireproof skin tight suit, but can enter a larger "bomb beetle" exosuit that acts as both weapon and protection. Like for example it could drop mini mines, curl into a ball and become a makeshift giant cannonball propelled by explosions, or even use microwave emitters not unlike the device from Batman Begins which would vaporize all surrounding water into boiling steam thus trumping the Gotham fire department from putting out Garfield's flames.
Hanging around with Tony Soprano sure changed her.
So, she has flamethrower/flame covered wings, and is a bomber from air fighter?
Hard mode.
I thought we ditched the dragonfly thing and moved towards the bombardier beetle theme? That was my reasoning behind it.
Easy. Do a Bride of Frankenstein type deal. Just have a woman die in Slaughter Swamp
We moved on to bombing beetle, but I don't recall anyone saying she couldn't still have the dragonfly wings.
Okay here's the middle ground; the exosuit doesn't have wings, but the bodysuit does. She flies around, and can return to the bombing armor.
Have his henchgirl be one of many criminals who try to exploit Grundy for personal gain, only instead of dying like the rest of them, she ends up falling in Slaughter Swamp and being affected by similar things that created Grundy.
She becomes an undead swamp monster, but instead of becoming a super strong giant with childlike intelligence, maybe the Swamp's chemicals make her retain her intelligence. Hell, maybe even increase it. She becomes not just Grundy's Bride of Frankenstein, but effectively his Dr.Frankenstein. A Grundy wrangler, so to speak.
Grundy doesn't usually have plans for anything other than be left alone and smash shit every now and then, and since we really don't want her to just be Grundy but a girl, you could have her be a real criminal genius on her own right who knows how to push Grundy to do things for her.
She could be the badass female villain writers don't have the balls to let Poison Ivy be anymore.
I dig the Bride of Frankenstein idea, especially for her design, but I would also add some other twists.
Since Grundy was basically the Fredric March Mr.Hyde fused with Frankenstein's Monster, Grundy's henchgirl could also take traits from that movie.
Maybe she could transform on and off into her monstrous self in order to better hide into society, unlike Grundy who causes a huge ruckus whenever he goes.
That's a nice idea. I guess it's not so hard mode.
Do you want her name to be Lucy Locket?
Eh, I say we should, simply because it'd be weird for Firefly's henchgirl to be a tank.
Never thought of that, but that's a nice idea. Fits the nursery rhyme motif and everything, and it's a suitably "gothic horror" name for this character.
Frankenstein has a very, very interesting relationship with the entirety of the superhero genre as we know it, and Gotham City could definitely use more mad scientists that aren't psychiatrists foremost.
An idea to play with is that Grundy's henchwoman "dies" and is reborn with him. She retains continuity of memory and consciousness, but her personality changes each time Grundy is resurrected. Play very heavily into the philosophical aspects of existence and metacommentary on how long-running characters can differ drastically in presentation under writers.
Also I feel that during the time between one of Grundy's deaths and resurrections she should go back to being a normal human.
What should her name be?
Gilda? Gruntilda?
Wednesday? [/spoiler}
I say Blaise's practical suit be similar to Marvel's Beetle, and uses the exosuit called "SHELL" to lay down the explosives
It sounds more like he's her henchman, and not the other way around.
The Jekyll and Hyde angle being dependent on Grundy's resurrection is interesting.
>Grundy's henchwoman "dies" and is reborn with him. She retains continuity of memory and consciousness, but her personality changes each time Grundy is resurrected.
Interesting because that's exactly what is said to happen with Grundy, at least in his appearences in Starman.
But if we are going to create this kind of bond with them, then I think she has to at least have some connection to his Cyrus Gold identity.
Or, if we are going with the Grundy who has no actual origin, she should have that mystery going on for her too.
>I feel that during the time between one of Grundy's deaths and resurrections she should go back to being a normal human
I dig this idea, as long as the story ends with her willingly forsaking a normal life so she can turn back into a grotesque undead, and maybe even dragging Grundy with her.
I think it makes a nice contrast with Grundy, who was either turned into a monster or born as one, and it also dialogues with the original Frankenstein novel, where Victor is responsible for pretty much everything wrong that happens due to his ego, selfishness and refusal to take responsability.
I prefer Lucy Locket, as suggested.
Gilda is already the name of Harvey Dent's ex-wife, and it's kind of weird that, despite both Two-Face and Grundy being heavily inspired by Mr.Hyde, no one has ever really explored that connection. I don't think the two have even interacted outside of Jeph Loeb's works.
That pic gives me Lady Tremaine vibes.
I think there's a spectrum here for her, from simply 'Blaise' (her real name's Jane Blaisedale, so it's an alias), to Damselfly, to Dragonfly, and at the other end Bombadier
I personally think Blaise is perfect as it is
Not sure if Two-Face can have much dialogue with a Frankenstein's Monster esque character that just speaks by reciting a poem.
So which should we go with? She's a cute redhead I'm trying to pin down what her gimmick is. Is she a flyer, an armored bomber, or both?
Never knew Solomon Grundy was an actual, irl nursery rhyme before, huh. I wish they did more with that than just not!Frankenstein's monster
Grundy doesn't have to speak just in his nursery rhyme though. That's just something Jeph Loeb did with him and that's stuck ever since.
She doesn't have a gimmick, she was Firefly's tech support. I think flyer makes more sense if she's gonna be permanently by his side.
She shouldn't be heavily armed, maybe just a welder that could double as a flamethower?
The stunted speech is fine enough, though I like him just reciting the poem. As if his mind is so stagnant and regressive, he's incapable of saying anything else.
Was it explained why he recites it? I like to think it's the last thing he heard or thought to himself as he died.
Sure thing
Grundy's intellect and strength are both relative. It's in constant flux depending on his reincarnation, which can range from gangster muscle to world breaker moron. The only real consistency Grundy has is being a strong, unkillable zombie with amnesia to his original identity.
So then we're going back to the Firefly idea?
I think their dynamic could be something a bit more like Kronk and Yzma's, in the sense that, technically speaking, Grundy is the brawn and Lucy is the brains, but Lucy isn't as cunning or foolproof as she likes to think she is, and Grundy, despite being terrifyingly powerful, often disrupts her plans by getting distracted and doing something other than what he's supposed to be doing.
For a show like BATB, that'd work.
Maybe The Animated Series?
By the way I'm going to save all of these ideas to create a new thread maybe next week or later.
What do you mean the Firefly idea? Wasn't this always meant to be a henchgirl thread
What would be the title? So we know what to look for.
Right but anons were debating giving Blaise her own name and gadgets to assist Firefly in the field.
I don't know, "Henchman/Partner In Crime Thread"?
Henchgirls?
henchwench thread?
In his more mindless and brutish resurrections, that could very much be the case. The issue being that not only is she a weaker version of Grundy, but that Grundy himself is very aware that she's entirely dependent on him for her powers. It's more of them both making the best of being stuck together, and the fact that regardless of which personality Grundy has he's still a hulking zombie brute while she can pass for normal with some heavy makeup.
You don't need a connection to Cyrus Gold, she's simply found herself connected to Grundy and his cycle of rebirth. You're spot on with the Victor parallels though; I'd imagine that for all she despises it there is a power and allure to her Grundiness that keeps her returning again and again to help Grundy. When he's around she's ageless, she's strong, she's powerful, and no matter how she protests the disruption of her normal life, she never walks away.
"Fantasy Henches Thread??"
Now they don't HAVE to be women keep in mind. For example we could have made a plant man Poison Ivy created for herself. But then again she's tied at the hip with Harley these days so I don't know. Also Henchwench is fucking hilarious
Oh gotcha
I don't think a henchgirl should stray too far from her man's gimmick. Look at what happened to Harley Quinn.
I think all Blaise really needs is a jetpack and fireproof suit so she can effectively back Garfield up, plus a few small arms just in case.
I kinda like the idea that she's mostly just tech support and background stuff, but when she needs to take the field she overcompensates on the armor, jetpack, and explosives because she's sub-5ft tall and 90lbs soaking wet.
It doesn't matter how the character is currently being used, all that matters is making a fitting hench for them.
I'd like to try at a male Catwoman sidekick.
Obviously, he can't be called Catman.
I can kind of picture her falling over with all that weight.
He can just be called "Tom"
So we thinking "Beetle" or "Hulkbuster" look for Blaise?
>she needs to take the field she overcompensates on the armor, jetpack, and explosives because she's sub-5ft tall and 90lbs soaking wet
Cute womanlet. That's a good idea if she's just gonna be Blaise, not Damselfly or anything else.
Henchthread works then.
Beetle for the overcompensator, Hulkbuster for the hypercompensator
Ha.
I kind of thought of calling him Felix.
Alright so she can be both then. You could just call Blaise "Bomber Bug" or something I suppose
>bomber bug
Not cute. Besides, you wouldn't call Batman Hellbat just because Tomasi's writing him.
Blaze Bug?
I'm still pushing strong for just Blaise.
But that's her fake "real" name. Branding dude! If her costume has bug features, her name has to reflect that
It's not really indicative of a motif. Unless her defining trait is she's burned out from having too much fun.
She's Bombardier in costume, patterned after a bombardier beetle.
Fair points. Not sure if I prefer Damselfly or Blaze Bug then. Blaze Bug itself is a better name for the firebug gimmick, but Damselfly works better for Firefly's henchgirl
Don't like Bombardier Beetles because all I can think of when I hear that is David Attenborough saying 'noxious gas'
Bombardier Beetle seems like a tiny bit of a mouthful for a villain alter ego anyway.
Maybe Blazing Beetle would work as a name for combining all of the themes. We get the simple "Blaze" tech support identity from the Blazing, and the Beetle part stems from the Beetle Bombardier idea. Keeps the fire and bug aesthetics together.
It's obscure, but there's a pairing of Penguin and Magpie.
Thoughts? Could be platonic with her as his go to thief for hire.
What are the dark shades around her eyes?
Also, I have this idea of Riddler having a tall, amazon muscle girl as a henchwoman in a green bodysuit. Maybe with a blonde ponytail, and a faceless mask. Basically, like Ace, but less broad-shouldered. Muscular, but still curvy.
Also a mixed martial artist.
Hey retard that's nosferatu and what's wrong with monster girls you some type of newfag or puritan
Probably a fucking furfag.
You just want /ss/ fodder, admit it.
There were Penguins geishas in The Batman
>Snorting a fat line of dead vampire in an attempt to get superpowers is pretty fucking metal.
Audible kek
Call him lucky to play off the luck aspect.
What luck aspect? Selina isn't Black Cat
At least Peppy's tits finally came in like she always wanted.
What's their story anyway? I saw them in Lego Batman movie of all places
Penguin went over to Asia for a while
Learned Kung Fu and picked these two up on the way back as bodyguards
They have no backstory, they never speak and always wear their masks, even out of combat, they wear kimonos when conducting business and wear the pink bodysuits underneath
They're quite unsettling with their complete silence and strange clawed fighting style, inaudible whispering can also be heard in the background whenever they fight
I always theorized they were secretly robots
Tumblr's been all over that for years, but they typically only reimagine various Robins in the role instead of coming up with an OC. Usually it's either "Catlad" or "Stray."
monster girls are furries
my god will you ever stop with the faceless mask shit?
>catlad
unironically based tumblr
Oswald's henchmen dress code is questionable.
My headcanon is they're not robots but two sisters who used to run a yakuza operation that Penguin took over.
Did they fuck him?
yes and then he bullied them into becoming his bodyguards
how exactly did all that go
it's the Penguin, he's a scary motherfucker
I want to fug Scream Queen and pat her head
basically building on what user said earlier in the thread:
sisters are crane-themed yakuza clan bosses
penguin moves in on their turf
brief gang war
Penguin takes over their operation
gives them an offer to work for him or end up in Gotham bay with cement shoes
they accept
he lets them wear the kabuki suits so they can still keep themselves from being totally humiliated but lets them know if they fuck up or try and doublecross him he'll reveal their identities to everyone
they begrudgingly accept
don't speak while in costume to avoid being recognized by voice
The blonde reminds me of Cammy. Or Tiffany from Rival Schools.
You are very, very stupid.
I did it before here? Where?
He has a brand to advertise. Superheroes can be customers too.
I just figured that if we're talking about male villains getting opposite sex sidekicks, we may as well give female ones the same.
I haven't really even put that much thought into their relationship dynamic, to be honest.
Ares already has the Duke of Deception, but just like all the other Wonder Rogues, nobody ever uses him.
Circe has her beastiamorphs, but they're just monsters.
I remember these girls. It was super out of character for Freeze to have henchwomen like that when he was on his "I have nothing to live for" rampage. Local thugs and anarchists I can see, but not his answer to Penguins henchwomen. Penguin uses his to flaunt his wealth and criminal gravitas, not rampage around the city.
It also bugged me when one of the henchwomen fell behind and Freeze cut his losses and just froze her. Villains offing the cronies is nothing new, but he just froze her leg to the ground and sped away. Leaving her behind alive and in police custody and probably pissed off about being shot by her boss.
Wow, they must have been freezing.
What if there was a question mark over it?
N52 Batgirl was popular, but I really enjoy Gail Simone's villains. Including bonebreaker.
she's pretty dull as far as fit girls go
>no man-hating lesbian couple to utterly break me
I wish I was the Riddler.
They're lesbians? And a couple?
I dunno but I'm going to pretend that from now on.
Is there a comic equivalent for these two?
kill yourself a billion times over
I already have
Why would henchs assist a villain who's clearly borderline suicidal and /or genocidal?
Nope, I fucking wish. Also it surprised me to see Drew Barrymore as a slutty sexy character when she almost always gets comedic roles.
They were briefly in the Arkham City comic.
Whoa u're such a badass!
Huh, how about that? Kinkier too. Speaking of Arkham, Origins had those two assistants Candy and Tracey
So, Harvey likes to get the good cop, bad cop treatment?
More like getting heads or getting tails
Anyhting out there suggesting how these henchmen get hired?
>Gets pegged and tortured by the dominatrix henchgirl and then gets the other henchgirl to kiss him better
patrician taste
Kill Fuck Marry
(wolf whistle)
Maybe another name, like Damselfly? Though Dragonfly and Damselfly would be a good duo name on its own.
Does Firefly need two sidekicks?
Maybe it could work. Both female?
My favorite Penguin henchmen outfit is the one they used for JLA, where they basically used the gas mask + tusk combo Penguin wears in the TellTale games (except they obviously fit much better his henchmen than him).
Throw in the classic bowler hats and you have a really solid outfit.
That mask was basically a gas mask shaped like a penguin face, but without the penguin colour scheme?
What about him?
Let the thread fall off the board. I’ll make a new one in a week or so
Suits are pretty terrible to fight in, though. I’m sure Penguin wouldn’t give a shit about that when designing outfits, but anyone henching for him long term will have to deal with it sooner or later. Maybe they could wear the type of suits with loose sleeves that conductors use.
Loose sleeves and stretch panels.