Thoughts on 16 year old Steven?

Definitely want to see more of him.

he had to be 16 otherwise having sex with his dad would have been seen as weird and creepy

No

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He is not for lewd

>Not wanting to suck 16yo murdercock until you can't feel the inside of your mouth

Are you gay?

"You just wanted me to help you get the drill out!"
"No...well yes"

Steven was a huge cunt in the movie, as if something happened in the 2 years that made him a complete asshole. He still thinks redemption is the best answer, but he can't do it anymore.

Spinel had to come to the realization herself that she was wrong.

That's because Steven had to realize he was wrong too. He thought he was in a story, that there was a journey and then his work was done. The only people who are done working are dead people.

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To be fair, he was having a very long day.

I'm not a fan of him being strangely distant to the Diamonds and Spinel. Yes, I get that he has a weak spot in his universal compassion for people who specifically target his emotional boundaries, but this film felt like he was purposely discarding people after he's gotten what he needed out of them. Like, the Diamonds can fuck off since they're no longer a threat, Spinel can fuck off since the drill is gone...

Am I making sense? I know other anons have mentioned parallels with Pink being extremely cold at times when she really wants to be.

How long was he with them? Because that clinginess can get annoying after a while and Spinel wants to be his friend and also kill him, so that’s not really a good way to start a relationship.

at least with the diamonds, i think it was suppose to be like a mother(s) who want to be closer to their child who is moving out. Which is why they had comments in the end like "It stinks here" "I don't smell anything" "Because you live here" like a mother visiting the apartment of her son.

>and also kill him, so that’s not really a good way to start a relationship.
to be fair, most secondary cast members wanted to at some point.

Though now that i think about it, Steven was very cold towards them as well. "I don't have any friends anymore who could help me...oh right, except Bismuth, Lapis, Peridot"
Heck, i thought when the CG were poof'd, that he would go to their place immediately. But he totally forgot they even existed

Everyone did, he’s got a busy life.

S-source? Asking for my mom.

>Spinel wants to be his friend and also kill him, so that’s not really a good way to start a relationship.

I mean who hasn't? Garnet let him play with an incredibly dangerous magical artifact in Steven's Lion. Pearl nearly suffocated him in Space Race, then was ready to let him fall to his death in "Rose's Scabbard". Peri and Bismuth routinely shot at him with a laser.

Honestly, Steven probably thinks putting someone in mortal danger is just a standard greeting. If I came up and stabbed him in the liver he'd probably ask if I wanted to come over to have pancakes.

Who *plap* gives *plap* a fuck *plap* about Connie

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I think she still wanted to kill him so that’s a point against her.

Yeah well the difference is that Rose never had to face her problems and just lumped them all on Steven like the deadbeat mom she was.

Is he less fat?

As much as I hate how Steven unironically left Spinel again, I love how Spinel was the one who needed to take the real first step to recover. To realize "fuck man I just want a friend" instead of Steven going "PLZ BE MY FREN BBY" and things just get better.

Most people need to realize they're fucked up to start to not be so fucked up. He still should've hugged her tho.

stenen

Same but he marries Spinel instead

Do we really need the poo at all?

Diversity?

I don't understand this hate for Connie. She is my literal and actual daughteru.

Is it INTJealousy?

I feel just the opposite. Younger, less jaded Steven would have been more aggressive in trying to show spinel that she could be loved.

It’s more like she’s great but you know, she’s already canon, so I want more options.

He hit puberty of course hes a cunt one of the earliest signs of balls dropping is a boy becoming suddenly mean.

He did have a touch more cynicism to him.

What is going on with Connie's bra here? Look under her right arm. Does Scribble know about some common bra option that I don't?

Liking a little edge to him in tough situations

Why did the Gems make a jester who could go toe to toe with a diamond

And why did Pink leave spinel behind anyway

Hell yeah

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The Diamonds didn't make her with that in mind, she was made rubber-y for entertainment. Pink left her because she was annoying, maybe she yearned for real companionship and not a brainless yes-man, and she wanted to leave the playpen and grow up leaving her toys behind. Likely didn't put two-to-two together that telling her to stay still could lead to what happened.

If she didnt want a mindless yes man why bring pearl

>she yearned for real companionship and not a brainless yes-man
And yet that's all she ever surrounded herself with.

All Diamonds have a Pearl, and maybe she hoped she could have a relationship with her new Pearl like she did with her old Pearl though that wasn't initially possible because our Pearl was built with "better sensibilities."

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A Pearl she never customized like her old one.

>Why did the Gems make a jester who could go toe to toe with a diamond

Arrogance, probably. Just loaded Spinnel up with abilities and strengths that would make for a good jester without ever once considering what she could do if she turned against them, because it was beyond comprehension that any gem would rebel like that, let alone the plaything.

>And why did Pink leave spinel behind anyway

Pink was a shit and only got better when she went to Earth. By the time she would have had enough character growth to feel bad for Spinnel, it was probably impossible for her to slip back into her garden to get her.

>we'll never see Pink Pearl's personality

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He was amazing as usual!

Steven's gotten spoiled.

When Steven realized that he needed to get Spinel's memories back, I thought it was the beginning of a morel dilemma being set up. Steven's options were to let his planet, including himself, die, or to mentally a twist someone that only wanted to make him happy until they snapped. The second option is obvious, if you really have no choice, but it's also the kind of situation where a protagonist of something like SU would force a third, actually palatable option. But, instead, the movie just acts like it's a no brainer, like there's no issue with forcing Spinel to re-live the abuse that turned her into a villain in the first place.

You could make arguments on behalf of the choice Steven makes. The needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few, facing a hurtful truth is better than living a cotton candy coated lie, that kind of thing. But the justifications are never brought up. He never tries to be her friend, even a little. He just uses her for what he needs and casts her aside. Just like Pink Diamond would have done.

pretty hot desu

And Spinel directly calls him out for this behaviour. What's the problem?

He sang a whole ass song about how she can make shit better

>Fans continue to host better ideas then the writers
Why arn't I surprised.

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damn this show is terrible.

So could Steven kick Spinel’s ass. I mean he held off all of her attacks and matched her blow for blow. He even tanked her Giant Pistol.

Sure, but he probably wouldn't if he could help it.

No he can only block her attacks and that rejuvenator bypasses his shield.

He’s a weirdly strong tank. I mean it’s usually the big guy who’s the tank but they’re almost never the protagonist.

My thoughts are that now that he's legal he needs to fuck the tsun-tsun out of lapis

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>facing a hurtful truth is better than living a cotton candy coated lie, that kind of thing
That was the entire point of the "there's no such a thing as happily ever after" thing.

>the justifications are never brought up
They are brought up when Steven realizes he was wrong for wanting to pretend things never happened. That realization is how he got his powers back.

>He never tries to be her friend
Yes he did. Although I wish it was more clear maybe. At the end of the movie it's unclear if they're friends or not... I want to see more Spinel, and I want Steven to get along with her

A real Diamond would have crushed Spinel. Steven's organic body makes him weak.

>>>/gem-pol/

>What's the problem?

The problem is that Steven never acknowledges that there's a problem. He's still acting shitty when the movie ends, not trying to befriend Spinel but just pawning her off on the Diamonds to get them all out of his hair. It doesn't come off as something heroic to me, it feels really selfish on Steven's part. And even that wouldn't be so bad, if he just said out loud that "Hey, I haven't been treating these people with the respect they deserve, I gotta work on that."

...

He asked Spinel, he knew they could be a little much. It was her choice.

>Pearl shortly after steg unfused

Like mother like son.

While we're on the subject, what do you guys think of Change?

youtube.com/watch?v=xGkiOGe7FdU

Beginning gives me chills, love that Zach doesn’t have to hold himself back anymore.

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Is Steven going down the path of selfishness and ignorance like his mother?

It is fucking amazing. Only Other Friends truly beats it out.

I want to hug Spinel. All she needs is to be loved.

Hell, throw her with Lapis and they'll both cling onto each other like a slightly less healthy Garnet.

Is it weird I can see Zach as a Spider-Man voice actor?

>The problem is that Steven never acknowledges that there's a problem.
Yes he does

>not trying to befriend Spinel but just pawning her off on the Diamonds
He did try though. She wanted to go with the diamonds.

Loses a bit of it's impact without the visuals. Especially that scene with the moon.

The "SHINK" when the moon appears is godly

I could see it tbqh

He has the voice and has down dramatic performances all he needs to do is cry and scream for Uncle Ben and quip.

Kek

This
I’d like a bit of either Lapiven or periven

>katakuri vs luffy

I really loved it, Zach did a great job with the vocals, and I like just how bombastic the instrumental music was as well.

The lyrics really cut deep, like I could both feel the raw sincerity Steven was emanating as well as understand why Spinel felt she had to hit Steven a bit more before she calmed down.

Right?

Catchy enough relative to the rest of the movie and and beautifully animated.

The beat makes me think of a nintendo game. Or Mazinger.

fpbp

>most secondary cast members wanted to at some point.
To be fair, none of them had the destruction of everything he loved as a goal. None of them were as personally invested in ruining his life. Most of them thought he was someone else or simply didn't have his wellbeing as a priority.
Spinel basically wanted to fuck him over, and his friends, and his family, and his planet.

>I don't understand this hate for Connie.
She's emotionally and mentally stable and thus boring.

source??

Stand in the pass and watch the hammer fall.
Pray you're the anvil and not the steel.
For those behind you're the curtain wall.
Don't cower, flinch or turn on heel.
Take no glory, die on your feet, don't die easy, don't die sweet.
Maybe the heroes will break ring or crown or stone.
Maybe fine ass will sit fine throne.
Watch that hammer fall. Fucker.

It's not a role built for drama.

Is that a poem?

"I need only your strongest potion."

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She cute.

And smart.

>"YOU CAN'T HANDLE MY POTIONS STEVEN! MY POTIONS ARE FOR THE STRONGEST GEMS AND YOU CLEARLY ARE OF THE WEAKEST!"
>"why respect diamonds... when my potions can do anything you can...?"

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Steven could create a bubble shield big enough knock her away some distance. Also with his strength, he could throw his shield and slice Spinel in two easily.

And she’s a fighter.
Man, can you imagine Stevonnie now? With Steven’s super strength, Connie’s sword skills and willing to attack, I can’t imagine any Gem standing a chance.

it was great and one of my favourite songs from the movie, zach really went all-out on it

never forget

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Makes me wonder if Steven is losing his edge as he grows up. His child like innocence was one of his biggest assets and he seems to have lost it in this movie.

Pretty sure she is going to be the villain of season6.

As long as he’s got his pipes, he’ll do well enough. Helps that he’s getting stronger to compensate for that.

So why is Steven plus balding middle aged man = strongest sexiest fusion

I kind of want to see their unique application of diamond power. Steg seems able to fly and grant that to others, can Stevonnie make bubble-spike Claymore?

Because they have a very high opinion of each other. Plus Steven was supposed to grow up a huge, powerful dude, and Greg is a washed up rock star, so strong self-image + actually good bases = success.

He's growing up. Trading youthful wisdom and innocence for teenage risk taking and confidence.

>Steven + Connie = a slightly taller version of Steven with no special powers
Well obviously, a human's useless and brings nothing new to the table.

>Steven + Greg = team-cast flight
Wait, what. I guess Connie's just shit.

I wanna see him wreck shit.

I think he was just tired of having to deal with this stuff. Still wanted to see him hug Spinel though.

he was already confident
also what does innocence even mean

I hope we get to see Steven with the same innocent compassion he had as a kid with the new rough edges he's developed in his teenage years, essentially just teenage steven but not a dick

Reminder that Steven never hugged her

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I feel the total opposite. Younger, less objective would have been up her rubber ass trying to fix her rather than focusing on performing his job as steven the savior and spinel would have gotten off to the personal attention.

lack of guile or corruption; purity.

We'll get an episode about this right?

Probably would've if spinel hadn't started to walk off

>*Younger, less objective steven

how was movie steven guilty, corrupted or not "pure" (whatever that means)?

He just had a lot less patience for Spinel and for the reformed, clingy diamonds than he did back in the day for other characters who were trying to kill him and for the actively genocidal diamonds

Yeah younger steven would of loved reset Spinel and her antics would honestly have distracted him. especially season 1 steven

>season 6 episode 1 Steven goes around saying hi to all the characters we've grown to love throughout the show
>warps to homeworld to see the diamonds for whatever reason but sees spinel first
>hugs immediately but not a huge one, just a hello hug
This is probably how it'll happen

He needed space.

>There's no such thing as a happy ending. I'll always have more work to do.

That's it, that's our hero shot.

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>ENOUGH GAMES POTION SELLER
>I'LL BUY POTIONS SOMEWHERE ELSE

I am going to guess that Stevonnie can heal emself.

I should have eggs, chicken liver, gravy and a biscuit for breakfast.

it's not very clear in the movie, but I assumed he had been filling in his role as a diamond for long and without many breaks, since it seems like he didn't have much time to hang out at home. He seemed very stressed from the start of the episode. I don't think he would have been all that different from season 4/5 aside from that (and the whole happily ever after back thing). reminds me of... well, you probably don't want to be reminded of it, but rocknaldo

10/10, pearls before swine

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never ever Don't worry, at least he gave her a handshake

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I think the steven/diamonds dynamic that's essentially just a nephew/wine aunts dynamic makes the most sense when you remember that the diamonds did shatter alot of gems, it's kind of cute actually

>Spinel can I ask you a favor?
>Are you kidding? Anything

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Also she probably fingered his asshole

Is this a weapon?

She was so in love with Steven that it hurts

No, I want them to hug and be friends having fun playing together.

>in love

Fair, she definitely loved him though even if it wasn't a romantic kind of love

considering steven being the only one to 'reach out' to her she'd obviously have some sort of affection for him secretly, but doubt it'd evolve to something romantic considering his cold approaches in some parts of the movie

She caught him at a bad time. Which she caused.

something more could've been done about the two honestly, but then again the diamonds took her away and I honestly don't believe it'll go well in the long run

>Wait, what. I guess Connie's just shit.
I don't know, Connie and Steven have obviously grown. Maybe Stevonnie has some new tricks.

>originally made for pink diamond
>reset to have steven be her owner
>steven sang Found for general motivation but she took it as steven opening up to her
that fucking scene where the rejuvinator falls out of his pocket

Not to me, she's just so obviously created to be Steven's One True Love that it actively makes you not give a shit. Which is weird imo because the whole Rose-Pearl-Greg thing and Ruby/Sapphire are executed and explored beautifully. But Even Connie's last name translates to "Master of the Universe." It's like, WE GET IT, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO THINK THEY'RE PERFECT AND ADORABLE

Cringe

I like that he's less willing to take people's shit now

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>Seasons 6 begins with the diamonds dumping Spinel back on Steven out of annoyance
I'd watch it

There needs to be a Patrick edit for that handshake

I think Stevonnie is probably a really skilled fighter but it makes more sense that Steg would have more powers since Steven and Greg have a better bond than Steven and Connie

considering he's slowly turning into pink diamond's attitude it might just be a sign

>WE GET IT, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO THINK THEY'RE PERFECT AND ADORABLE
They just need more conflict in their relationship for it to be interesting.

I gotta get this off my chest, because Spinel’s character really fuckin hurt.
She was innocent, then undeservingly betrayed and abandoned by the person she cared about most. Possibly forgotten about, which means that she mattered so little that she wasn’t even worth remembering. If she didn’t matter, then was anything in her past truly real? Were all of her good memories based on a lie? (Probably not, but she doesn’t know that). By being forgotten, she was essentially being murdered, doomed to die alone as the universe ends and the stars go out one by one. She only leaves because of the pure coincidence that the protagonists actions show her what’s happened. The only person she cared about left to go find new friends and live 6000 years without her, while she stood there waiting, because she’s such a good friend. Due to being left behind unlike Pearl, she missed out on being alive or going through those 6000 years. She then finds out just what she missed. That she never got to help manage a colony, or fight with comrades in a revolution for their freedom, or live countless lifetimes in peace on earth, or see her friend fall in love, or help raise the child, or get to be a playmate for the new child, or watch him grow. She never got to make new friends despite everyone else getting to. She even learns that her best friend didn’t even tell anyone, and that she was completely abandoned and forgotten. She was effectively murdered, at least symbolically. Until 6000 years later she manages to symbolically come back to life only to find out about everything mentioned above. On top of this, when she trusts the person who she believes is offering her a second chance, they borderline ignore her just to focus on saving their “real” friends and saving their “real” planet, despite the fact that she needs saving most of all.
Part 1 of ?

that is if they even manage to get her VA and be willing to animate her which is highly unlikely imo

we'll have to see if that's actually the case. I think he was just very stressed

Let him rest. He’s been singing and dancing all day.

I guess? I could see how that would be annoying too. I think it's just that we see Connie has changed, sure, but she just keeps getting more and more perfect? She's basically the human character to self-insert as.

And I'm not saying this as someone who's projecting or anything, of course Steven picks who Steven wants. But everything about Connie just feels so contrived to me. He had more genuine cuteness with Peridot in her redemption arc, for crying out loud.

I’d say she’s an incredibly tragic character. Not that my ideas are good, but if I had to change something, I’d focus more on everything previously stated since it was mostly glossed over. I might make her have more interactions with Pearl, maybe not out of jealousy, but simply asking why did things turn out the way they did. Overall, the characters are uniquely similar and could make great foils, I just wish that they interacted more. I’d also make her more focused on how much pain she’s in, how she wants the pain to go away by any means necessary, so her idea is to vent and attack people she can hold responsible, all to ease the pain of her life being a lie. When this doesn’t work maybe she becomes suicidal to make the pain end, or maybe she was suicidal the whole time and dying while getting revenge was just a bonus. I’d say that the ending wasn’t satisfactory, so I’d say that it should have been an actual happy end where they all try and befriend her, while helping her clean up the mess she created, all while making up for lost time.
However, even her redemption might have been impossible since making up for lost time might only hurt more after seeing what she’s missed and what she can/could never be a part of, now that it’s all over and in the past. She can’t go back and be part of those 6000 years she missed, and it’s even worse because the only person she cared about is gone, so she’ll never get answers and never even get to say goodbye. With redemption impossible, maybe she should instead have had an ending befitting of her tragic story. Either she commits suicide at the end (out of guilt or maybe just to make the pain of her betrayal go away), or she uses her tool to go back to being her original self, or she sacrifices herself to undo the harm she’s caused, or lastly, the protagonist offers to save her from the explosion, but she rejects because she wants to die, or her guilt makes her feel unworthy of salvation.

I don't really agree with that. Pink Diamond was dishonest with the people around her, Steven seems like he's more willing to be honest, and call things out honestly, like when he told Spinel "This isn't a game!" I suppose you could say Steven is the actualization of the person Pink wanted to become, with her Rose Quartz charade, or he's growing into that person.

Rebecca describes Steven and Connie’s more of an innocent kind of love, though that may change with whatever new direction the show will take.

if she's not fighting then they only need to do a couple arm stretches
and remember this is crewniverse, going off-model is kind of their thing

Music instantly reminded me of a boss fight

The problem is that Connie’s character at first was “Nerdy girl with strict parents” and they kind of removed the nerdiness when she got a sword and her parents aren’t strict anymore (or atleast not to the point where it affects the character), and then they never replaced her initial traits with anything so she’s just kind of empty right now

You make a good point. Everything just kind of worked out for her, with hardly any flaws left. Remember when she had to do "gem stuff" in secret?

She'll earn it I hope

I think it’s a huge stretch to imagine that Steven will ever be anything like pink, the worst we’ve ever seen him is when he’s too hyperfocused on a singular goal (and that goal is always good and selfless) which makes him forget to give people the attention and love they need, probably thinking he’ll tend to it later once the goal is done

Pink was just a sociopath because she’s a sociopath

Why are people saying Spinel's va is too expensive? Estelle is a famous singer too, is she not expensive?

Fucking loved it immediately. I love seeing Steven be a badass in his own way. The little smooch to make the blood magically disappear, the bubble boxing gloves. Plus Spinel's voice-acting in the middle is perfect as expected, loved her springing up and of course that glorious shot of Steven in front of the moon. It's all short but it's so, so sweet I had it on replay a bunch of times.

So he can heal himself now?

We don't know the kind of deal that Sugar struck with Estelle. Whatever it was, it made her affordable.

Quickest way to a mans heart is his prostate

Where’s that from?

Anyone got a link to mega or something please? I like to support official stuff but they are charging 15 bucks on streaming services which is ridiculous

ctoon.party
sug.rocks

I think that was the point, he may not have done it purposely but that is how it seems to others.
Also this

Hope we get better fights like this

The thing with Spinel was definitely a misunderstanding. It's clear that he wanted to help her, but he was worried about what was happening so she wasn't getting prioritized over that

My it's mostly just ideas from fantasy novels I've read. Gotta love those guys who die in the second or third act to raise the stakes and galvanize the hero to act.
It's a thankless job to die being a badass. In universe, that is.

It’s not like he can be friends with her if he’s dead either. Should have just said that.

Uh... Yeah.

People say "Expensive" but I doubt the costs are really the concern, I'd have to imagine most VAs they find to do this kind of thing don't do it primarily for the pay check. It's more that because they are famous and heavily booked, that they're unlikely to free up their schedule to travel to California to do some bit-part VA work. Starring in a special episode or a movie is one thing, but being a recurring side character is probably not going to work.

I liked it. Kudos.

>but he was worried about what was happening so she wasn't getting prioritized over that
He was basically doing what the Crystal Gems did with him. Look after his safety first and emotional well being after.

Glad you liked it. Here's a book with similar themes. Basically the battle of Helms Deep but a whole book.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_(Gemmell_novel)

Based user. Thanks

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it was nice
now he can go and screw a gem without problems

Cool

>Diamonds can fuck off since they're no longer a threat

I took the time skip and the opening as an indication that he's spent a good chunk of the past 4 years with them helping to reform the empire.

Well said Sir... well said

WHY!??

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Reminder that Steven will never fuck her

I never understood what she meant by this, did she think he was going to be her new Pink Diamond?

It's her nature to want to make him happy. Pearl imprinted onto Greg because he was the one who responded first when she was initiating. But Spinel jumped straight for Steven.

Not exactly, he's the first friend she's found again so she's being overly desperate to please.

Please compare Steven's behavior in this to his behavior in Rocknaldo. I don't think he was ooc or that his characterization changed drastically, I think he was just tired.

what are they doing, why is he holding her leg?

Who wouldn’t be? That’s human.

Exactly. So what's with people saying this like this? I feel like they wouldn't be saying this if Steven didn't physically look different now.

Seems like he has lost some of his creativity and optimism. Younger steven's plans may have often been goofy, but he had them.

Rocknaldo is legit the only episode of the show I skipped. I even put up with all the Lapis episodes (somehow) and Connie ones.

He didn't lose his optimist except for when Bismuth had to cheer him up. Can't say anything about creativity because I don't know what you're talking about

He’s spent this whole time dismantling an empire, he’s been dealing with clingy space aunts, he just wants to relax after all that and then this chick comes in, erased his friends’ memories, doomed the Earth, and it’s just annoying. Just let him take a nap.

Exactly my point. If he wasn't so tired I think he would have been more recognizable.

I feel this was a transition point just to get Steven used to threats after Homeworld, I don’t think we’ll be seeing a lot of Done Steven

>That she never got to help manage a colony, or fight with comrades in a revolution for their freedom, or live countless lifetimes in peace on earth, or see her friend fall in love, or help raise the child, or get to be a playmate for the new child, or watch him grow.
This made me wonder how different the show would have been if Spinel had been there in the beginning. Would the rebellion have changed her in any way? Maybe she would have carelessly revealed that Rose was PD. Rose might even had abandon her anyway, letting her think she was shattered like the rest of HW. So many possibilities.

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Even if she wasn’t there for all of it, she could have been brought after like only 200 years. Once the war was over, they could have gone to get her, and she would have been there as Steven grows up, being a playmate for him.

You’d probably get caught doing that. Too risky.

Wasn't their warp pad damaged? Besides, I'm pretty sure Rose had forgotten about her by that point anyway.

I love the look on steven's face just before he gets punched

That’s the sad part, all those hours and memories in the garden, even Spinel, they all mattered so little to Pink that she was even capable of forgetting about her.

You see, when a man and a woman love each other very much, a man slips something into her drink, and then slips something into her vagoo.

Why can't they stop stealing from better authors?

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It’s a homage. It’s like stealing but you can say it’s a compliment.

But Katakuri is a cool candy-ass unlike Steven. Homage better, crewniverse.

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What are they stealing?

user is implying that the crewniverse stole the "bubbles around steven's fists" from one piece which is stupid since "flames/magic/stuff around fists" has been a trope for a while

You don’t really see bubbles specifically though very often.

>Strechy, lanky character who fights with their rubbery arms and fists.

Not the only thing pal

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No but it's only natural that if your character has a magic thing that you'd put that magic on the hands because rule of cool, it's not that clever of an idea

That's also been a trope for a while, do you think Steven having curly hair is copying every character with curtly hair?

Well that's dumb, it's not even a bubble it's mochi and he doesn't fight directly with them.

If Spinel was there she would have roflstomped every Homeworld gem effortlessly

>Launches her enemy in the sky
>She puffs her arm into what is quite literally GIANTANO RIFLEU

There's more similarities than you think. Doesn't help knowing Sugar's favorite anime is One Piece.

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>The Crystal Gem's numbers are effectively doubled because of how many liked Spinel
>Homeworld would've been fought off more easily due to the numbers and her own strength
>Would probably HAPPILY accept Greg as one of Roses new friends
>Loved playing in his band
>Suddenly resent him once it clicks to her that he's the reason her Best Friend Rose Quartz is gone
>Breaks down crying when the gems kidnapped Steven begging Rose to stop playing pretend and come back to her
>Finally makes some peace with Roses death, and instead decides to be Steven's Best Friend.
>"Sometimes, when you smile and laugh, I see Rose smiling and laughing"
>Still has slight abandonment issues, just not genocidal ones
>Always INSISTS that everyone has breakfast with Steven.
>Her and Garnet are the ones who always wanna bring Steven on missions
>Flips out at Pearl when Pearl freaks over Rose keeping secrets from her.
>"WELL WHAT ABOUT ME?! I WAS HER BESTEST FRIEND FIRST, AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS EITHER!"

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Well okay that's definitely a rip off

She better molest him.

There's another guy with the same bubble fists earlier in the story fellas

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What does that add to the discussion?

>Steven uses bubble shields as fists
>Bartolomeo (the guy in the One Piece panel) also has shield / barrier powers like Steven and uses bubble shield fists

Proving that SU crew are weeaboo HACKS

But there's already this

Holy shit Steamboat Willie ripped off One Piece!

Besides the diamonds will be around for fucking ever. Connie and his dad won't

You say that as if as soon as one of them dies Steven isn't going to revive them as a magic zombie like Lars and Lion.

>Steven is more of an actual character in one 80 minute film than he is throughout the entirety of a 6 year long series
Older Steven was the answer all along, who could have possibly guessed?

Rose parallel, my ass. That's how teenagers (and most women) in general think!

>and most women
And most men, I think that's just a human thing

Makes sense.

Yea Forums?

Great hero song just like how Other Friends is a great villain song.

So the movie is about Steven managing the safety of the townies while a gem hurt by his mother takes her anger out in the Earth, and then using his super powers to fix everything despite the malice and planning of the villain and Steven pretty much letting it happen to avoid hurting the villain's feelings...

Steven is increasingly turning into Messiah figure.
>I'M GOING TO DESTROY THE EARTH
>okay, but I'll just fix it afterwards because I'm all powerful... also I'll forgive you for it and find you a job

>Messiah
Like Superman?

>>I'M GOING TO DESTROY THE EARTH
>>okay, but I'll just fix it afterwards because I'm all powerful... also I'll forgive you for it and find you a job
I swear, the Naruto/Steven comparisons are starting become way too real.

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Already surpassed him with Sing No Jutsu

Bad day?

He never even retaliate at all. If anything he is less prone to violence than when he was a child

>He never tries to be her friend, even a little.
He fucking did you idiot. She was literally making a big deal about it

For all the Anons asking for sauce its JCM-2, ya horny bastards

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then when he is an adult he will just beat people up to solve problems since he can't use his child like innocence anymore

Thanks

>I guess Connie's just shit.
finally realised, just took a movie to realise

Awesome. Kill them all Steven.

>Uncle Steven, she...she looks quartz-ish

I love White Diamond

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He was too cold to Spinel

it's the teeth, isn't it

Other people have have worded this better than me, but the main difference between Avatar(at least tLA, I haven't watched Korra) and SU is that SU gets it's pacifist option(poofing and bubbling) from the very beginning, while Avatar has it as a last minute thing. So adding a lethal option of shattering seems like the unusual thing rather than 'why not just keep beating people up like we did before?' stuff.

Plus the song is just a very Steven way of dealing with an issue, considering that his defense and charisma stats are better than the rest of his stats combined. Spinel could be tossing truck sized haymakers all day and Steven wouldn't break a sweat

>how he wasn’t thinking about the future and that he would have no more problems.
...this sounds suicidal.

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He’s a fag

He’s always been rather negligent with his own life. Just something the Gems taught him.

I really hope the series ends with him finding a way to separate his human flesh from the gem.

Why?

rebecca said that steven is immortal and should at some point choose to kill himself
i hope she realizes how dumb this is and abandons the idea no seriously

Sauce?

Eff that. The guy has fully embraced the alien aspects of what he is and (not counting outside factors) able to live a healthy fulfilling live.

It's why it was best that Spinel went to live with the Diamonds. Spinel hurt him too much and Steven couldn't truly help her on his own.

I like how sassy and almost angsty he is at points like when he snapped at Spinel or the couple times he told of the diamonds, including when he faked them out before using the warp. Feels like a natural age up for him instead of just giving him a new body

Told off*

podbay.fm/podcast/1261418557/e/1549522800
27 minutes in

Liking it, his sass had been growing over time.

I don't think that he would normally be like that though.

Well he is very stressed I guess
Damn, that’s weird. This kid really is suicidal.

if they include this stuff in the series I just hope it's about him somehow realizing that it's messed up

Most 16 year olds are like that. I think it's appropriate

Connie has mentioned it, albeit kinda making it more about how she felt rather than how he should value his own life. Crystal Gems haven’t helped at all.

youtube.com/watch?v=xqN1aC06JUw

Best song prove me wrong

I'm saying this because in the movie we don't really him in a regular situation. The only moment he's not tired and struggling, he's trying to avoid negative thoughts and forgetting what he had learned in the series.

Connie wasn't concerned about his life at all, she was crazy in that episode. The gems and particularly Greg in the next episode actually helped him. Someone being mad at him for all the wrong reasons was the last thing he needed at that point.

It is good yeah. Although I'm a bit more partial towards Master of You ;)

I was thinking more from the beginning, I’m that aside from Greg, they’ve placed a lot of pressure on him to live up to Rose, be like her, it’s the least you could do, you’re the reason she’s not around. Okay the last parts not directly, but that’s definitely a big part of his martyr thing.

Let us admit it, Yea Forumsmrades, we all cried like little bitches after watching the SU Movie because we all know that we have somehow all been left behind by the hero of the story at one point or another.

But there is still hope and redemption ahead, because we're still there to work for it. Because it will only come from us.

Peace.

And perhaps Love.

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Imagine if every episode had animation this good.

Comfy. I like it.

pearl needed gregs murder cock instead

I cried right at the end but mostly because I'm a sucker for happy endings with a wistful twist. The movie really reminded me why I love the show so much.

honestly i know it goes completely against the whole theme of the story but i kinda wish spinel died in the end. Like a suicide/self-sacrifice or losing the fight dying like an obsessive lunatic

There's always hope for the future. Life goes on, so there is always hope.

Oh yeah. At least they didn't do it on purpose though.

he'll do this after he fucks the lesbo out of pearl

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He did try to be her friend. That’s why she initially agreed to stop the machine. Once she did, she started having a panic attack because suddenly she wasn’t the focus of the attention any more and she thought she all that pain she felt and just dealt with was going to get erased, reopening the proverbial emotional wound.

Based

>This movie takes place May 21-22, as seen on Sadie Killer and the Suspects' poster.
>Given Steven's birthday is August 15, Steven is 16 years, 9 months and 6 days old in the movie.
Think he'll be 17 in the new season?

is there gonna be a new season? i thought this was a finale

There is at least one more season and it's probably the last. Jasper will be featured. NYCC is next month and they've promised "a surprise or two" so it's probably a trailer.

newyorkcomiccon.com/Explore/Panels/Panels-And-Screenings/#/event/steven-universe

It's not CONFIRMED to be a new season, but they've confirmed SU isn't done yet and they've had the voice actors working on something so it's probably a new season.

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Steven the man

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Awesome

youtube.com/watch?v=mofeYNOOXFk&list=PLBKadB95sF45YG3hea2BILEZ6zZxQa4jd&index=15 best song in the movie coming through

Once he got his powers back, he noselled every attack she made. Even if she had the rejuvenator, he's had so much training from Pearl that he could snatch it from her again. Plus since he figured out the secret to powering back up, he could probably recover from that attack in just a few seconds, if not resist it entirely.

As far as poofing her, a spiked bubble would probably do the trick, but Steven is so monstrously strong--he lifted the injector even when his powers were messed up--he could poof her with a punch.

He could have taken her down at any moment and take whatever she dished out. What he really wanted was to let her let all her anger and pain out so she could see more clearly.

I really don't think that if the math for that being Steven's birthday works out. Similarly, Steven's Birthday(the episode) was at the end of season 2, and the next moment that tied into the calendar was in Onion Gang in season 4, where Connie mentioned that she couldn't hang out with Steven because she had to do back to school shopping, which normally in america is only as late as the first week of September. So either the entirety of Season 3 happened in less than two weeks or a little more than a year, with no inbetween.

>and it's probably the last
That's just your baseless speculation.

At the wedding they mention it's been 8 months since Steven's birthday. But it doesn't matter, I think there was also another problem similar to what you mentioned.

I'm only basing it on the new artbook coming out which details every character's finished arcs. Whether CN has given Rebecca a sequel series is what's up in the air right now.

Foreshadowing?

Hope we see more of those constructs he did.

"season 6" would be the sequel series

Sauce ? It looks familiar.

Well, ending your life in Steven's case doesn't have to be suicide. That meme floating around a few months back about how Steven was the Anti-Christ wasn't far off, but it was the wrong religious tradition.
>Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz ends her life to give birth to Steven, imbuing his corporeal form with her gem soul and its powers
>Steven impregnates Connie, his gem soul transferring to their child in her womb
>When she gives birth, Steven's gemstone power fades away
>Connie and Steven's child becomes the new carrier of Pink Diamond's eternal gem soul
>That child will have another child eventually
>And so the endless cycle of life, death and rebirth continues, until Steven's mission to bring peace and understanding to all living beings is complete and his distant descendant can transcend beyond the material plane into the realm of pure light

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If you're choosing to die you are killing yourself.

Horrible idea.

When alien biology comes into play, is it?
y-you too

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Yes, it is.

we were seeing a young, weak steven fuse with a non-magical child to make stevonnie.

steg was a two years older, and much more powerful steven fused with a grown man with a lifetime of experience.

The idea is horrible because it’s based on making every kid in Steven’s bloodline feel what he felt, guilt over their parent not being there.

No one said godhood was the easy road, user

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Being a god isn’t who Steven is.

He's an immortal being of limitless power, how is he not a god?

That’s what he is. Not who he is.

yeah all of her original character points are now pretty much resolved, but they didn't add anything new.
she was:

>nerdy
>shy
>interested in magic
>insecure about not being magic
>well read but lacking practical experience
>hiding things from her overbearing parents
>trying to develop her independence
>trying to be a part of steven's magical destiny

all interesting character points. now she:

>likes steven
>has sword
>still nerdy?

that's it. clearly they had to focus on the gem stuff in the movie, but i was annoyed she barely did anything, and we didn't even get to see aged up stevonnie. although if steg was the trade-off for that it was worth it.

Yeah, that actually is surreal to think about.
Compare season one Steven to movie Steven and they feel like totally different characters.

I guess that's what happens when a show is allowed to have continuous continuity.

I kind of wish they cut down on the tears a bit
but they really doubled down on it and made him whinier. I get it was for the movie's message but I mean, c'mon.., there's no reason for him to be a lot better in S6 though especially if it involves less Justin Timberlake singing but that's me

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Remember that one time Steven almost got himself killed and instead of being concerned for his life and well being she was mad that he didn't bring her along to "have fun in space" and stopped talking to him for weeks? I think she needs some character development.

what if his healing spit just keeps them young forever? every time he kisses connie she feels herself rejuvenated and refreshed. she notices she seems to be aging as slowly as he is, or maybe not at all. her parents grow old and pass on, and she still looks like she's in her early 20's. she realizes that he's basically making her immortal... as long they're together. they spend a few months apart and she ages rapidly, her body catching up to where it should be without his intervention. he barely notices when they meet again, they kiss, and she's suddenly back to her prime, healed of all her aches and pains, her sagging skin, her graying hair.

she can never leave him, no matter what happens, because that would literally mean death.

I can't be the only one who wants another one of these, can I?

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Because it keeps happening. It's spot on with the before and after with anything SU related and Yea Forums.

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could be a new movie, or maybe a tightly focused mini-series. don't know if we could go back to long seasons with filler and random sub-plots, it would feel like a step backwards somehow.

Yea Forums is complicated. I still can’t tell whether the hate or love is louder.

It's funny, during the SU marathon there were some anons who basically got redpilled during season 5 and basically realised that the hiatuses made them forget all the good parts and said they were judging the later seasons too harshly.

i loved the ski-ball scene in the movie, it was a reference to a random detail from one episode but it speaks to strongly to the continuity of the show.

yeah that pissed me off too. i was hoping she'd get a bit of a lesson like steven did in full disclosure. maybe outright telling connie that magical gem stuff is his responsibility and she can't just ghost him for making a tough call and then expect him to just forgive her. it's not a grown up way to handle your feelings but she basically gets a pass on being shitty and making him worry.

oh god yes please

The hate is like a slow boil whenever there is an absence of new content flowing in to stir the pot. When the pot boils over and it hits the burner it stinks up the place.

The love is like a fireworks display, in that it is loud, unable to be ignored, and glorious in its spender, but ultimately brief.

Neat. I didn't look into any of those marathon threads since I knew there was going to be someone posting spoilers in them.

haha

Can we talk about turning the Diamonds, especially White Diamond, into joke characters was the best idea?

Six thousand years will leave such a crick in the neck

Just putting this here.

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I don’t get the hate to be honest. It’s like a Beerus thing to me.

Man, imagine seeing this even two years ago.

Better yet: Joke characters who two years later STILL haven't become "perfect". Steven clearly doesn't want to spend too much time with them and they're super overbearing and too much for him in spite of trying to be good.

I was happy with how all the characters were handled in the movie honestly.

>Oda
>Better author

Zoro doesn't make up for the shitshow that is the rest of the cast.

>Steeeeeveeeeennn~

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Powers fading away =/= Steven dying.

loved the interaction
White is trying so hard
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>Conquering planets is WROOOOONG and stuff.

They want to fuck him so much.

yeah i got a real harem vibe from this

It’s why he rushed out, he knew he’d never be able to stop himself from sticking his dick in 3 giant crazy rock women if that kept going on.

Steven's "why do i have to deal with this shit" face is my favorite part of that entire scene.

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forced but justified. they needed to ease up on the actor and let him use his regular voice to show steven age.

additionally i think some of Spinel's plot was also forced but justified.

This isn't Zach's regular voice. It's just a deeper Steven voice. In the movie he occasionally sounds like he did in some parts of season 5. It's just regular progression.

Can someone post the mega for the movie, I don’t wanna pay for this shit

>steven, connie, lion are the show where everything is happy and has a nice resolution and ending and lives full of meaning
>Spinel is the audience, forcing themselves to watch despite the general unhappiness of their own lives

ctoon.party
sug.rocks

a-are you implying steven wouldn't hug me? ;_;

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>White waving her hand at the state of the Earth
Beautiful

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Fantastic.
Steven's voice sounds great now that he's older and Zach doesn't have to forcefully raise his pitch anymore.
And the instrumentals sound amazing, like a final boss battle or something.
Plus it's short, but sweet, so I can listen to it multiple times.

Also that little "change" at the end and Steven's face right before he's about to get clocked by Spinel's giant fist got a chuckle out of me.

>Huh. Usually over by the last part. Ah well, might as well let her.

He's just so done with this shit, I love it.

thank you

I just think its weird. It felt nice to have a more assertive harder edged Steven and it was nice to see him really struggle for once, but it kind of didn't fit?

Steven being super positive and upbeat and friendly all the time no matter what really got on my nerves and is part of the reason why I stopped watching the show before the movie came out and I decided to catch up. But with the revelation that Rose was Pink we got more insight into her character that we never had before, this movie offered even more insight.

Pink/Rose was the smallest and youngest Diamond and she ultimately chose to turn her back on violent and genocidal ways of her people, believing in kindness and peace instead. In the episodes leading up to Change Your Mind we see Blue and Yellow comment on Pink's sense of humor. The entire existence of Spinel shows us even more of that sense of humor that Pink had, a childishness.

Even though I disliked Steven's immaturity and naivete, the revelation that his mom was like that really changes the context and makes it more bearable. It makes White Diamond's bullshit redemption more bearable. Older jaded Steven that doesn't even hug Spinel makes him feel like Pink/Rose in a bad way when before he was kind of like a better version of her. He had her optimism without her selfishness.

Just to clear up in case there's confusion, I'm not the artist just reposting because it was cool and I don't think many saw it since the thread closed shortly after it was posted

I said this earlier, but I don't think Steven behaved like he did (seemingly being cold to Spinel, not hugging her) because that's how his character developed during the timeskip. I think it's because he was tired and had many other things to to take care of all at once, as well as the whole "I want to ignore changes and pretend everything is happy forever" thing. I think we should see him be happy as usual when we get more episodes. And maybe hug Spinel when she comes back. I would love that! I don't like seeing Steven upset and tired.

Could be he’s just less into hugs nowadays.

It is when you live on a beach.

doesn't he hugs everyone else while spinel looks at him sad in the distance? I don't think he noticed. Someone in another thread (iirc) said that Steven tried to hug her but she avoided it, but I don't remember that and nobody showed it to me.

Honestly, the no hug could also be Steven trying to put a little distance because like 15 minutes ago he tried to be super friendly she took it too far and resnapped. Would you hug a person if they just reopened old wounds about attachment?

it's OOC for Steven to not put more effort into it after hearing Spinel's backstory, it's unbelievable to me that he would hear that song and wouldn't immediate jump into his caring Steven mode. his big movie lesson wasn't really about how he's been a jerkass to Spinel it was about being complacent.

She’s admittedly unstable and quick to react. Gotta take it slow with her

I don't think Steven was a dick to Spinel on purpose but younger Steven wouldn't have been that negligent or passive. And yeah, you can argue that it was because his perfect future was disturbed after finally achieving it, but that could've been emphasized more.

Everybody keeps saying "but Spinel was trying to kill him!" but going by that logic ignores the episode where he was stuck in the bubble with Eyeball and the entire events of Change Your Mind. White Diamond rips out his diamond and mentally enslaves all of his friends and he responds by hugging, laughing, and making a joke.

Yeah he told her that she deserved a better friend but also kind of told her that it was all her fault.

what the user right about you said makes sense at least. But it's weird that the movie doesn't actually explain this. We shouldn't have been left guessing.

>his big movie lesson wasn't really about how he's been a jerkass to Spinel it was about being complacent.
I thought it was learning that things can change for the worse and that if that happens he needs to be ready to find a solution to them

Good point about White.

So wait, one of the plot points of the movie is that Steven regressed because of his "I don't want things to change" mentality? And this ties into that? He forgot how to do what he did best, things that he never needed his magic powers for.

Could be he’s cooled down a bit, less hyper and quick to react or overdo it like he sometimes did. Plus he did sing that song.

>or overdo it like he sometimes did
did that ever happen in the later seasons?

He was literally chasing down Amethyst to get her to talk about her problems after PD reveal.

and how was that a problem

Literally chasing someone tends to be an issue.

He befriended Peridot. And Lapis. And tries to reach out to other violent gems in the hopes of befriending them to make them docile.
Feels like he's only focusing on the immediate friends he has. He doesn't want anything to with the diamonds because he feels smothered by them (they lost their youngest sister and he just wants to fuck off to earth like she did). He kept his distance from spinel and didn't reassure her of her role even after knowing what happened to her. He didn't bother the backup gems until he found no other choice because garnet was separated and pearl was hugging greg's dick.
Kind of fucked up but I was also expecting someone to die or get shattered in the movie. Not steven or spinel but maybe like one of the off colors accidentally died in the crossfire, or maybe the mayor because she's old. Or some gem soldiers from homeworld who came to help got shattered (if steven ever fucking called for help in the first place instead of wasting time trying to jog their memories like a goober).
It's a fucking crime that she never got hugged.

I thought it was well done. He grew a little and got complacent, but in the end he had a more confident and well-adjusted view of the world than his naive, everything's-new-to-me 13 year old self, while still having plenty of room to grow.

The hug thing will be explained and resolved in season 6, right? ;_;

>You spent six thousands years still and alone? Yeah whatever my mom's a jerk like that. What about ME though? My powers don't even work anymore :'( THIS IS THE STORY OF MY LIFE

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>more confident and well-adjusted view of the world than his naive, everything's-new-to-me
Well at least you didn't say 14. I think people keep comparing him to season 1 completely ignoring season 5 and the inbetween. He was confident in season 5, and he wasn't naive.

We can always ask drawfriends to create what should've happened.

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The no-hug is easy to explain: Steven is mature enough to know that you can't just go around hugging everyone and have it mean anything- sometimes it's better to say "I don't know you, so I'm not going to patronize you with a token hug, you should probably seek hugs from a loved one"- but isn't mature enough to know that hugging someone special and in-need in an unusual situation where it might not have been an absolutely guaranteed appropriate hug can change the tide of wars.

I think the reason this doesn't feel hypocritical to me is because he's the only one who can fix it but he needs his powers to do that
so he's getting mad that he's powerless, literally and figuratively in the sense that he can't help Spinel

>Nobody cares about me, so I want to hurt others
>Please don't!
>UM I WILL
>fuck, if only there was some way for me to help--I'm going to feel bad for like 20 seconds

>S5 ends with with Change Your Mind and literally the song Change Your Mind
>Steven's big breakthrough is remembering his ability to change
>Steven tells Spinel he can't change her

He was still pretty naive. His relationship with the crystal gems grew, he no longer took everything they said and showed to be the word of god, but his approach to every new situation was still just "well why don't you just do it ((way people have always told me to do it my entire life))." You saw it pretty strong when he first went to homeworld. He might have been confident, but he most definitely was still naive.

>And this ties into that?
Him being a dick to Spinel ties into that? I guess.

The show is about changing for the better. The diamonds have begun to change albeit kind of slow compared to others. The CGs have grown since finding out the truth about rose and gotten over their self doubt or insecurities. I'm sure she'll be fine, probably befriending pink pearl and being more mature overall. Her in royal wear will be top notch as well if they make her a full member of the court.

So he didn't see her reaction when she thought they were friends?

If only this was Spinel instead of Pearl.

Yes that's what I meant. He was focused on blaming her for everything, right? Still, near the end of the movie all of this was resolved, but he didn't seem to be getting along with her, right? he just let her go with the diamonds.

I guess the problem with this is that, if this is really how Steven behaves now, it looks like the writers are presenting this as a positive, when in fact he would have lost some of his positive qualities.
Or maybe not, and their going to have an arc about him getting them back, perhaps thinking about them more and reconsidering his behavior

Either she would've been bubbled by pink for annoying her, like rose did with bismuth for going rambo. Or she would've turned her into a fighter, like she did with pearl, garnet, amethyst, all the other gems on her side, ect... Pink/rose was a dick. She could turn a robot like pearl into a free thinker, she could've turned jester spinel into independent spinel.
Look at her body language when she leaves the garden. Smirks at spinel because she annoys her, and smiles only because she's happy to have finally gotten a colony. No care for spinel being alone, never going to retrieve her once she had the colony, never showing remorse that she left her behind because she either did forget about her, or willfully neglected her.

The warp on the island the watermelons live on was working fine, I think. They also had the leg ship which presumably worked fine, because it's taken back to homeworld later on like nothing was wrong with it.

I don’t get Yea Forums. People first complained Steven was so too weak and soft, now they wish he would have more sympathy and hug someone who tried to kill him.

I don't think the show is that deep to have steven realize something like that. He could've given her a goodbye hug. He could've spoken to her with more tact. The other gems could've talked to her personally to make her feel welcome; bismuth, peridot and lapis joked about their initial wants to kill steven earlier and that would've helped relate spinel to them if they said something when she said she was the cause of his issues at the time then freaking out seeing the scythe when garnet activated it. Missed opportunities for some simple things but I guess they really wanted spinel to be extremely paranoid.

She's sympathetic and adorable. He was too soft on others who were just violent to be violent, like jasper. He understood why spinel was the way she was, not to be violent, just lashing out because she was wronged by his mom. Plus he's hugged bismuth, centipeetle, peridot and lapis who tried to kill him and connie before, so it's not like there's no precedent for it.

I never complained about him being "too weak and soft". Yea Forums isn't one person.

I want this hug thing to get resolved but I know that it will take a long time if it gets resolved at all

if any crew member does an ama or something, plz ask them about the hug thing

Hearing a lot of people on the big thing. How would you describe the differences Show Steven, you can vary by seasons, if you want, and Movie Steven? What do you think could have happened to Movie Steven to make him less buggy?

If this is just how Steven is now... I have no idea. I'm not convinced it's a positve thing, it was always presented as one of Steven's best assets.
Otherwise, if this is just a temporary thing, there are many possible explanations already given by many posts above.
There's also a third possible explanation: Steven didn't hug her and keep her as a friend at the end because he was scared of her, since she quickly became mad at him again just because of a misunderstanding when she saw the scythe.

>ComicBook.com: The most obvious thing about the movie is the time jump. Why the skip? Why the decision there?
>Rebecca Sugar: Oh, gosh. Well, what was really exciting to me about telling stories after the events of "Change Your Mind" is that Steven has been affirmed as himself in a way that he never was throughout the original series. That in and of itself allows him to grow so much into his own person. I really wanted to show that jump in maturity that he gained and just this feeling that he made so much progress over the series just encapsulated in his new design. The movie really needs to feel like he's arrived, so that has a lot to do with the time skip.
What does this mean in relation to the topic at hand?

>like jasper.
You had to pick the one example of a villainous gem that WASN'T just "violent to be violent", didn't you? You could have chosen the cartoonishly evil, war crime committing omnicidal Triple-Hitlers, but no, you had to choose someone with a pretty straight forward revenge motivation.

And still a little racist

Well we gotta go all the way back to Steven at the beginning, a loud emotional little kid with constant insecurity over whether he can measure up to the Gems, and who we see now, a leader of his own, who understands that’s he's the bridge between Gems and Humanity, and by the end of the film, understands he’ll always more work to do. Could be he was so affectionate as part of a deeper insecurity, or even a desperation to be liked. Maybe he doesn’t feel he needs to go 100% full affection anymore now that’s he's got more confidence?

If that's the case, I would prefer actually see this development happen rather than a timeskip. I like taller Steven, but the more I think about it the more I realize the timeskip was a mistake. Also it was obvious that Spinel still wanted to be friends with Steven, but somehow he didn't realize that, apparently.

Fuck anyone who says there's nothing else to do with the show. There was a lot of stuff left at the end of CYM alone, and this movie added much more.

His thing is to get others to see change. That’s his whole deal. Rose had him so he could change the people around him and help them grow more than she ever could. See beyond her perspective.

They're both references to classic cartoons you cretin.

I want to rape him.

I wish he’d rape me

>tissues

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>World's Best Stephen
Nice little detail.

he's had them for a while
the moon goddess statue is more interesting

He needs to clean himself, user.

cmon user, you've seen how often hes been crying

Like a butterfly in amber.

Not after you tried to rape Peridot.

why would I do that? peridot isn't even one of the cutest gems, and I wouldn't want to hurt them anyways

he kept a Pearl Points sticker

>((way people have always told me to do it my entire life))
Why are you dog whistling?

The armless, legless, screaming Peridot in your bedroom begs to differ.

I'm posting it

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See the difference is that Spinel was trying to kill HIM instead of Rose Quartz. Like the element of misunderstanding wasn't there. Somehow, Spinel both understood and accepted who and what Steven was, and even knowing that he was in no way the person who abandoned her six thousand years ago, STILL wanted to fucking kill him.

Spinel wants to do what she was created for, she chose the diamonds because she associated Steven with Pink too much.

Unlike most of the crystal gems who didn't WANT to do what they were designated for, she DID and then made her choice.

This is a very good observation. Thank you for bringing this up. Do you think that's why Steven was colder to her? Because he thought she couldn't fully open up to him when there was no misunderstanding?

Possibly. He can get people hating his mom and wanting to take their anger out, think he’s her but this is different. She was gonna kill all these people and him when she knows he never did a thing to her, even if she did go trough traumas

I like this interpretation. Still, I guess that means her conflict isn't fully resolved. Which is good, I want more Spinel.

porn when?

I think when it really comes down to it, Steven is afraid of her. Not just because her musical number must be pretty fucking upsetting to live through, but because of how volatile she is, and how she is a prodigy when it comes to taking her pain and directing it at strangers.

Honestly I think he got scared of Bismuth as well, which is why he didn't make any moves to unbubble her for a while, as well as Eyeball which is why he didn't really make much of an effort to go on a Ruby Rescue mission (and the other Crystal Gems have a fucking abysmal track record when it comes to taking initiative, but that's a different thing entirely).

It's already here man, stop living under a rock.

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Surely the answer is "when he was first shown", I think it was like 2 months ago

Steven didn't even seem to register that difference though, during his O Woe Is Me moment he said this was all too familiar not that Spinel was a different sort of beast
>Aren't I reliving every horrible thing that's ever happened to me? A Gem I barely know is trying to kill me. I'm paying for stuff my Mom did that had nothing to do with me. I'm struggling with my powers. The world's about to end! This is the story of my life!

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He was focused on stuff that happened to him. Not new stuff. His pieces.

it was a little awkward. steven's primary character trait is his understanding of others, or rather his attempting to understand, his empathy. it's not that that was missing in this incarnation, but rather it was certainly dulled a little. he was a little more standoffish than i anticipated. i'm inclined to agree with that a younger steven might've been able to solve this conflict faster, as spinel genuinely only needed love to be brought down to earth. when steven initially runs back to the gems to celebrate after spinel shuts down the injector rather than have a serious sitdown talk with spinel i couldn't help but feel that younger steven wouldn'tve made the same mistake.

and this is all on top of being incredibly physically taxed from over-exerting his reset gem, he dropped the ball with Spinel at first, but it was perfectly reasonable. Nigga needs a codeine pill, a icepack and a blanket.

My problem with this is that it just came after a timeskip, so we don't know if this is Steven's regular behavior now, or if this is unusual for him. And if it's the former option, we also don't know how he's come to be like this. The timeskip was a mistake. I like some of the explanations in this thread, particularly but I would want to see it confirmed in the movie or an episode. As it is, it feels like the movie is missing an important part of its titular character. The movie could as well be titled "Spinel (and a Steven Universe recap)" instead.

I'm happy to see that the Spinel waifu fagging has died down enough that people can finally talk about other aspects of the movie.

Just give him a break like Said. He’s not allowed to falter even once? So he didn’t hug her, he knew he couldn’t save her, she had to do it herself.

We're waifuing Channel now instead
However Steven is still best boy, best gem and even best girl

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Well, that's actually my original interpretation. I've come to consider other options when I saw many interpreted this as (negative?) character development and that's when I began to think the movie doesn't make the situation clear enough, since we're having this conversation in the first place.

well he has to voice this to spinel i think. he does so during the fight through song of course, but every incel needs to be told that part of the change needs to come from them too. the fight could've been avoided if steven talked to spinel about this exact thing after the injector was stopped.

Personally I feel Steven was a strong as he ever was, he matured and understood his role more than ever, I wouldn’t simplify Steven to whether he hugged the villain or not.

But Spinel always looked upset when Steven was hugging the others or being happy for them. We don't see Steven and Spinel have that kind of interaction, as far as I can tell. If he had mastered that role, then Spinel wouldn't have been upset before going with the diamonds. I'd like to be corrected, though.

That crescendo into the trumpet, my god.

A lot of Steven's worst attitudes towards others are when he's sleep deprived. But that foot in the mouth giving way to his intentions hurt.

but but but but but the way spinel interpreted the "well yes" isn't what he actually meant, right? ;_;

Well it's not like a new season isn't on the way. They knew making this movie that they would be doing more.

She was upset because no one hugged her, not because of Steven in particular, before getting her memory back she latched on to Steven as she was programmed to, be for her Pink Diamond, she could only ever fully heal when she accepted that she couldn’tever fully be her old self again. Even afterwards, she’d have to deal with the fact she wants to kill someone she doesn’t even know.And you can’t fully move on when that person is right there next to you, the person you wanted to make suffer. He could let go but she can’t. That’s beyond even Steven, he can inspire her to change but he can’t customize her to how she exactly wants, he did a rare thing, he pulled back because that’s what caused her to suffer, her devotion to a singular person, and so she went on to connect with people who understood that devotion, and people willing to devote as much as she did, people she knew from before her trauma.

well-meaning and casually racist aunts/grandmothers are the best

I didn't think about it this way at all. Loving this thread.

>she’d have to deal with the fact she wants to kill someone she doesn’t even know
...She still feels a desire to kill him?

>people who understood that devotion, and people willing to devote as much as she did, people she knew from before her trauma
So she could be friends with Pearl too if he didn't want to kill her?

Maybe, we can't read her mind, she vowed to love again someday, she still has her demons, and one of them could be her rage from how she was left behind.

>she went on to connect with people who understood that devotion, and people willing to devote as much as she did
God, I hope it works out. And even if they eventually tire of Spinel's antics, I hope they can all move on amicably.

Possibly, but Pearl has moved on, she’s already willing to love again, and she doesn’t have the need to give that much devotion anymore.

That is all he needed her for, but not necessarily all he wanted from her, or to put a different spin on it, not all he wanted for her.

I like to think they can.

>See the difference is that Spinel was trying to kill HIM instead of Rose Quartz. Like the element of misunderstanding wasn't there. Somehow, Spinel both understood and accepted who and what Steven was, and even knowing that he was in no way the person who abandoned her six thousand years ago, STILL wanted to fucking kill him.

I'm not sure if that's really true. I just rewatched the movie a few hours ago and she refers to him as Pink a few times and she acts like he abandoned her personally. When's she singing Other Friends she's singing it from the perspective of it being Pink/Steven's other friends.

>he pulled back because that’s what caused her to suffer, her devotion to a singular person
It would have been more effective if he pointed it out instead of just doing it, in my opinion. Spinel probably needed it explained to her.

All the talk about how different the new episodes are makes me worry that it won't be about Steven anymore.

>from the perspective of it being Pink/Steven's other friends
Pink's, sure, but Steven? Maybe "the game you didn't know you were playing", but she does acknowledge that he doesn't know.

She does seem to waffle a bit, but during Other Friends she seems to also be referring to Pink in the past tense.
Tangential, but it's possible that the reason she brought both the scythe and the poison was to kill Steven's organic half and then befriend the rebooted Pink Diamond.

No..well yes
Steven needed spinnel to turn off the injector and that’s it, after that she’s “useless” to the very important goal (save the earth and his friends) but that doesn’t mean that Steven didn’t care about her and her well being, just that her emotional state was good enough that he could move on to the goal and then come back and be spinels therapist after everything was fine

Stevens not a horrible person, he was just really busy

We must also remember she is not in the best mental state, it could have been mania.

>Pink's, sure, but Steven?
Yes because she directly references his space broadcast. I forgot exactly what he said in his speech but the title "Other Friends" might directly be taken from it.

>Tangential, but it's possible that the reason she brought both the scythe and the poison was to kill Steven's organic half and then befriend the rebooted Pink Diamond.
That seems most likely. I think Spinel wasn't entirely sure if Steven was Pink or not because she was obsessed specifically with being his best friend. She only accepts going with the Diamonds in the end because they remind her of Pink.

Either way, I hope Spinel is happy with herself and eventually Steven and Spinel become good friends.

>She does seem to waffle a bit, but during Other Friends she seems to also be referring to Pink in the past tense.
>Pink's, sure, but Steven? Maybe "the game you didn't know you were playing", but she does acknowledge that he doesn't know.

Literally at the beginning of Other Friends, within the first minute she says "I just love that part, where Pink Diamond spends the rest of her days on this nowhere planet" which is a direct response to Steven's announcement.

>she was obsessed specifically with being his best friend
She only reminded herself of that near the end of the movie though, at first she just wanted revenge.

Doesn't "the rest of her days" mean that she's not around anymore?

No, it was because of Steven saying in the announcement that he was going to stay on Earth. You can tell she thought Steven and Pink were one of the same because of how her entire demeanor changes when Steven says "Pearl, do know who she is?".

The key word here is "spends", present tense

I don't know, seems like there would be inevitable conflict ahead since Steven has dropped Spinel off with three people who adore Pink Diamond and worship anything even tangentially related to her ((basically the only reason they wanted Spinel, too)), while Spinel herself will probably never really forgive/stop resenting Pink for abandoning her for thousands of years.

>who adore Pink Diamond and worship anything even tangentially related to her
Eh... Once they thought they had Pink back, it didn't take Yellow and Blue very long at all to fall into old patterns and get frustrated. Though that doesn't really make things easier, really.

Hey, he's a real teenager now.

In that same sentence Spinel also says "I'm the loser of the game you *didn't know* you were playing", and during her backstory song she said
>Finally something. Finally news, about how the story ends. She doesn't exist now... Survived by her son...
The message for gems across the galaxy was very specific with what Steven was, the book was a part of the message, and Spinel remarked she watched that message on repeat. This is also why she said
>You don't poof, do you? Hmm. *Figured as much.* Just wait! Your human half won't stand a chance against my injector.

Maybe she was hoping Steven would remember her but she at least seemed mostly aware of the situation. Pink did spend the rest of her days on Earth, but she may have been lumping Steven in there too.

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I mean if anything thats going to make it worse, the diamonds would definitely get tired of Spinels antics if they got tired of PD screwing around too.

Nigga Jasper was fucked over by Pink even harder than Spinel was

They get now that their treatment of Pink is what drove her away from them.

Yeah, maybe. Probably a mix of both.

>"You just wanted me to help you get the drill out!"
>"No...well yes"
People misinterpret this as Steven being deliberately a dick, or accidentally, truthfully, revealing the assholeish motives that he had.
What he meant was that that's all he kind of demanded/requested of her, and that she was free to do whatever.
It wasn't a "your purpose is now complete, get away from me" sort of deal.
The reason he says "No... well yes" is cause he spergs out a bit. "No" that's not all you are to me, all you are good for. However, "...yes" that's all you needed to do to help us in the moment, so don't worry/relax.

It clearly wasn't the time for such an nuanced "no but yes" explanation on his part.

Earlier, he tells her she can have a life, on Earth, during the Found song. He wasn't lying to her. Yeah she probably wouldn't join the main gang or anything, but he wasn't trying to be cruel.
If he didn't want anything to do with her, it was on an unconscious level. If she was being used as a means to an end, it wasn't a conscious choice/motivation of Steven. He's not that type of person.

Regardless, Steven should have chosen better words. Obviously Spinel was not going to react positively to that.
>Is that all you needed me for, to turn off my injector?
>Of course not Spinel, after we get this goo and fix my friend I'm going to show you the wonders of pizza.
or something I don't know it seemed super avoidable, he also held on to that scythe for way too long he should have broke it immediately or at least turned it off

>Your post
I 100% agree he shoulda done those things, but he was tired and emotionally battered from the day's events I'm sure. Keep in mind we approach these things as the omniscent-viewer of sorts. We don't have a burnt arm from alien biotoxin, and we didn't just go to space. It's not our world that's gonna die to poison etc.

It's believable he would have made those mistakes. I don't think it falls under the vein of "bad writing" or other such memes. He's 16 and makes mistakes in the heat of the moment.

Not that you were implying otherwise though, mind you.

On the pizza note, I'm not sure if anyone else noticed, but Spinel is shown eating donuts on the ride to the art-garage. I found that interesting since I think only Amethyst was willfully/successfully eating before.

Steven is such a massive asshole in this movie holy shit

How? The worst he did was say “no...well yes” and even then he didn’t mean it in a bad way, Spinel is just very paranoid

>Spinel jumped straight for Steven
Because Spinel was made for Pink Diamond so she would gravitate to the being containing her gem. Your other point stands.

>Enjoyed the little parallel to Rose about how he wasn’t thinking about the future and that he would have no more problems.
is that really a parallel
Rose didn't think there would be problems, she just wanted to stop caring about problems
She wanted to be free from her sisters expectations
She wanted to be free from her diamond status and responsibilities
And she wanted others to feel freedom as well

She did take responsibility for the corrupt gems by bubbling them

But she never seemed to understand or want people to continue to look up to her

She's selfish because the concept of absolute freedom is selfish

>literally brush off the diamonds and threats them like trash
>doesnt really care about Spinel other then for getting the shit he needs to
>Spends all the movie talking "muh happly ever after"
hes awful and he didnt deserve a good ending cuz he didnt do anything in this film to warrant one
see this really gloriously pathetic and self pitying

diamonds on her lips

goodbye little boy who would have gave a thumbs up

Jesus how do you watch this whole "emotional health" themed show and still be emotionally retarded?

why would he even consider saying well yes

>Regardless, Steven should have chosen better words. Obviously Spinel was not going to react positively to that.
Yea no shit wow. People make mistakes

He's a cool nigga

Based

Fuck Steven

That's the idea.

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fucking this

>Yeah she probably wouldn't join the main gang or anything
Why not? I thought that would be a genuine possibility when watching the movie.

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Hot

the kissing scene to heal the blood was kino af

Kill yourself JustPassingThrough.
KILL YOUR FUCKING SELF.
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