"Comics are for those who can't read properly," - says the Russian head of Culture Department Vladimir Medinskiy during 32nd International Moscow Book Fair
"I take comics very badly. Comics are like chewing gum, as you say, this is not food. Comics should be oriented mostly on a child who is just learning to read, up to seven to eight years. Being an adult and read comics is like to admit that "I'm an imbecile, I read comics." You can probably collect them, it's fun, but not to read."
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The problem with his first sentence is that most movies, nearly all TV shows, and even the majority of modern books are for people who can't read properly. The single defining trait in modern media is that the general public is no longer literate to the degree that they used to be and modern media has declined in verbal quality as a direct result. Shakespeare used to be taught in public schools. Now no kid would even be able to understand the language of it. ALL media has changed as a result of this.
Are there any good Russian comics or Russian comic authors?
Why does everybody have such a boner for Shakespeare?
Most Americans can barely read anything longer than a Tweet. Who want a literate slave?
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Intelligence?
When was the last time Russia produced anything on Worth? Metro 2033? I Heard the sequels shat the bed
British propaganda
How do counter this in your personal life?
HAHAHAHAHA
his comic failed and now hes salty
muh antiUSA stance is getting realy stale
This is the kind of illiterate retard that was mentioned earlier in the thread.
>"Comics are for those wh-" *accidentally steps into pothole and twists ankle*
>"...t-those who..." *gets mauled by 5 stray dogs*
>"...who can't r-read proper-" *get shot to death by russian armed forces for accidentally stepping on a photo of President Putin*
But why is that? People like this always say something is a childs toy or only for kids but they never explain why. Even if it's just for children shouldn't you care even more about them since they are your future?
My intellectual allegorical comics are too much for his mongoloid Russian alcohol poisoned brain, so he has to resort to saying "all comics are trash for kids" as to avoid embarrassment if he were to actually read and attempt to interpret such comics. Sad really, many such cases. Comics are here trying to help these poor, illiterate people by breaking down really complex stuff into easy-to-understand words/pictures, but sadly, their pride is too much and they have to go back to pretending they can understand their ancient moon language the chinese gave to them as a joke.
The kind of people who buy into this kind of thinking dont actually care about children, just sounding like they do.
I am very interested in what this imperialist foreign agent has to say about one of my hobbies.
Says the guy who plagiarized his PhD thesis.
Guess what.
Thousands of telenovelas with absolutely same clichee plot aren't the media for reading people, either. You keep funding them though.
>seething comcsfags
Okay, what about the luminary Alan Moore who said the same thing? Just admit that you need to grow up.
I can't find the source of this quote.
>post a controversial quote without linking anything
>just to role people up because you’re bored
It’s like Yea Forums with controversial fancasting
>thinks hes smart for reading Shakespeare
The guy added things into his plays specifically for drooling morons
Read on your own dummy
Alan Moore said capeshit is for kids, not comics as a whole.
And even then, Alan Moore was being a hypocrite.
>You can probably collect them, it's fun, but not to read.
Sounds like a /shelf/ user.
this is pulled right out your ass
alan moore is a hermit who makes bad comics
Who would listen to this man, not only is he European but he's Eastern European?
> but he is a filthy russian!
Anger
>But other media does the same
>But society is not educated enough
Bargaining
I see many justifications but zero retort to his idea of comics being for retarded manchildren.
I challenge you right now to go the catalog and bring me an OP image that is not comic books/cartoons for imbeciles. Even if non imbecile comic books existed, only imbecile comics are discussed here. No wonder everyone is so salty.
He worships a sock puppet, user. I assume you do the same if that’s your idea of an adult.
only webcomics.
Shakespeare was the capeshit/transformer movies of his age. His plays had constant action and betrayals, murders, romances, fights, scandal and all shit happening at all times. It was aimed to the people who didnt like or wasnt cultured enough for the medium. The michael bay of theater.
>Even if non imbecile comic books existed, only imbecile comics are discussed here
Congrats, you cracked the code. Now leave.
He's right insofar as like 95% of all comics and 100% of visible & promoted comics are absolute dogshit with no artistic merit.
>I challenge you right now to go the catalog and bring me an OP image that is not comic books/cartoons for imbeciles.
Why should I? No matter what anyone posts, you'll deride it as being for imbeciles anyway.
>communism
>has communist view on art
wow I'm utterly SHOCKED at this news!
But I like imbecile comic books. I simply have no need to pretend otherwise unlike you that have some emotional investment on the subject
>fun to collect and do nothing with them
is this a retard person?
whats with this hoarder sentiment to think you can just get things that have a purpose just to shelve them for the pure sake of having it?
/IC/ fag here.
Daily reminder the only artchools worth a shit these days only exist on Russia and China.
In America you can shit on a byke spray it with smegma and put it in an art gallery if you have the connections. And you will be praised by other art college americans and critics.
Ultimately, it's about reading more and reading better books. There's plenty of great literature out there, you just need to dedicate yourself to finding it.
I don't care about what you like nor your self-deprecating attitude towards your own hobbies, what I'm saying is, I don't have anything to prove here and neither does anyone else here. You want to pick a fight for some reason.
Obviously you can read them if you bougght them for collecting. He just means dont take them seriously and read fucking books.
nah, said it plainly.
russians don't do anything of the "said this but mean this"
Tell him what he would think of Hellboy and or any at all European comics and some higher end stuff.
I'll start:
Conquering Armies (Dionnet)
Six from Sirius (Moench/Gulacy)
Niklos Koda (Grenson)
Matagi Retsuden (Yaguchi)
From Inside (Bergin)
Perramus (Breccia)
Cromwell Stone (Andreas)
Blanca (Taniguchi)
China doesn't teach art, it teach muscle memory and imitation. they just scoop the 0.5% that survive that shit because they have enough people to allow it.
Did he actually say this?
>>communism
>>has communist view on art
huh?
Only California believe communism promote art and creation.
>muscle memory and imitation
Yes user. Obviously. Art is about perceiving what is in front of you and being able to recreate it. If you can learn those basics, then you can go wherever you want with that left brain of yours. Fucking idiot, stay in your lane.
First of all modern Russia isn't remotely communist, and second of all, if anything communism valued art for its propaganda potential, what they don't value is the Western propaganda aspect of it which is merely a remnant of Soviet thought. Anarchist thought on art (at least the actual version of it, not the American perversion) doesn't even think of art as something to be questioned by its merits at all.
huh?
>Hellboy and that list
>Higher anything. Y
You never read high literature right?
At least you have good taste in comic books and dbz characters.
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But it has already caused a shitstorm in some of russian media
Comics are not art or are they meant to be intellectual. They are brainless mass media for little boys and grown adults who want to feel like children again for five minutes.
>Fucking idiot, stay in your lane.
How aggressive from someone who wouldn't even counter argument. china produces copycats, uncraetive slave labor that only reproduce what's trendy on their videogame feed. Not a single Chinese artist out of those chinese school has ever produced an original, non derivative piece of work. Even less criticism of life or society, or even just self contemplation at life. It's not art, it's a craft.
Noooooooooooooooooooooo
Whats the point of my life if I admit this? Noooo its those damn russians fuck trump fuck russians and fuck white people.
Comics are undoubtedly art, yes, even the shitty ones. Their audience nor quality have anything to do with their artistic merits. Saying something "isn't art" because it doesn't follow a subjective standard in your head is simply admitting you have no idea about art itself.
Not him but while I do agree that Chinese people never go beyond the fundamentals for most part, but at least they know and teach the fundamentals. They have the tools to do creative stuff. They choose just to make of that a 9-5 job. But its their choice. Meanwhile american students dont have the fundamentals and have no choice but to do the usual bullshit you see in art galleries.
Id take a generic concept artchink over a pink haired feminist with menstrual blood inside a balloon or rich jews trying to launder money selling garbage like Pollock
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I think you forgot the n in "nor" which completely changes up your first sentence.
As for your post it is a stupid generalization. It's like saying paintings aren't art because they're mostly made as mindless decoration for houses for people who want anything to fill a void in their wall.
I don't even particularly love the medium and even I know this drunk ruskie cunt is wrong.
>Vladimir Medinskiy
This nigga plagiarized his doctoral lmao like I give a shit what he thinks
>an entire medium is just for one group
I wish the world was this simple sometimes. Sadly this is not the case but nice condition that we use only Yea Forums as our test pool.
As a heavy reader, that's a fallacy. Most Stephen King novels don't come anywhere near the grace of Alan Moore's prose at the top of his career. Books can be every bit as vulgar and vapid as comics can. It all comes down to the writer and at the end of the day, comics are a type of short form literature. Never forget that books like Taken by the T-Rex and a fucking billion movie tie-in novels exist.
Because his trashy, lewd plays give them boners *and* he uses fancy words so they don't feel bad for liking his work.
I'd offer the entire 'dimestore romance' genre as evidence of how vapid and tawdry even mainstream books can be without anyone deriding them.
>They choose
>China
how naive.
>this is only bad if a non-American says it
Comics are just pop culture ephemera that don't have very much lasting impact.
>Being an adult and read comics is like to admit that "I'm an imbecile,
So? They're happy and people who don't get to act smug and superior. Everyone wins.
>"Comics are for those who can't read properly," -
Absolutely right. 75% of the people browsing Yea Forums are barely literate judging by the quality of their posts.
99 here I had to read Shakespeare in school, but only Romeo and Juliet, the rest of my hs English classes focused on magical realism stories.
Shakespeare was never meant to be read you fucking mongoloid.
Reading Shakespeare does not shot intelligence as
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Russia really needs to be dismantled or nuked either way.
Did you miss the news where they nuked themselves a month ago?
Reading comics doesn't mean you don't read big boy books.
And collecting is extra dumb.
I meant in comic books, silly goose. Besides, I've been reading up on Kant, Heidegger, James Stewart Calculus, Kawabata, Blake, and Milton. What do you have to say for your taste in books and literature?
People are definitely more literate now than ever before in history
lmao
Reminder that this guy is a literal retard whose dissertation was stolen (it was a big scandal in Russia) and who said that Russian people are best in the world because they have 47 chromosomes (which is a down syndrome symptom). His butt hurts because Russians don't want to watch patriotic shit he produced and want to watch Hollywood.
>The share of domestic films in cinemas in Russia in May – August became record low over the past four years - 3.2%. In the traditionally unsuccessful period for Russian paintings, most viewers chose to go to Avengers: Endgame and The Lion King.
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I could use the same boilerplate criticism for any type of media. who does he think he is to judge the reading choice and hobbies of thousands of people around the world.
and teaching how to read is the responsability of parents, guardians and the school system, not fucking comic books. funny thing is Spider-Man had easy-reading comic books for little kids and they were awesome and still enjoyable even as an adult.
>caring what a Russian Jew thinks
Yikes
>says the Russian head of Culture Department Vladimir Medinskiy
Russian is the home country of high class literature so I don't blame him.
By "read properly" he probably means "can't read Russian literature properly". And yes, Russian literature is difficult to read and you need experience so you can through your Tolstoi or Dostojevski.
Your average American YA novel is about on the same level as graphic novels, but yeah, comics aren't high culture. They're pop culture, and pop culture is incredibly American thing (dumbed down culture for illiterate people) while high culture like ballet and classic literature is European thing.
What's with these threads of [INSERT FAMOUS PERSON HERE] with quotes of them shitting on comicbooks? Who gives a shit anyways read and watch what you want unless your /pol/
>nearly all TV shows, and even the majority of modern books are for people who can't read properly.
chances are they were also based on a comic book.
>The single defining trait in modern media is that the general public is no longer literate to the degree that they used to be
that's not what happened at all. being able to read was an exclusive club for the vast majority of human history. it isn't because "people got dumber", they were always dumb. what you're commenting on is the shift in popular media to reflect the growing pool of literate people. the average person wasn't made any less intelligent by consuming that media, but the statistically average reader was as that pool grew larger and the threshold for entering it became much lower.
>Shakespeare used to be taught in public schools.
it still is.
>Now no kid would even be able to understand the language of it.
he wrote in an entirely different language, you twat.
>tintin
No one but nerds or euroweenies know about Tintin.
He's not wrong, movies and TV shows are for the most part just absolute crap on par with or worse than what the criticisms that are lobbied at comic books say about those. While someone may have been taught to read and write it doesn't mean they'll ever pick up a book for the rest of their life, most don't. We are, as a culture, gradually abandoning literature. Everyone used to read books. Who cares if someone CAN read if noone ever does.
Everyone cares about Tin Tin, I'm South American and we've heard plenty about him.
You 100 percent can use the same criticism for schlock he and his organization (or whatever the term is in English) is directly and indirectly responsible for
But oh right, Maus or Charles Burns' Black Hole (picking the most obvious examples of good comics) are dumb shit for kids. Бaбyшкa Лёгкoгo Пoвeдeния 2 is what true art is.
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>He's not wrong
no, he is wrong, and so are you. not about modern entertainment appealing to the lowest common denominator, but that wasn't the point of his post.
>it doesn't mean they'll ever pick up a book for the rest of their life, most don't.
that's an overgeneralization, a logical fallacy.
>We are, as a culture, gradually abandoning literature
also wrong. best sellers 100 years ago sold like 30,000 units over years and years. best sellers today do that in a month. as a percentage of the population, the number of people consuming traditional literature is on the decline, but that's misleasing as there has never been more people consuming it or creating it than there is today.
>Everyone used to read books.
wrong and another overgeneralization.
First off using shakespear as as example for what isnt being taught in school is incredibly fucking stupid because its still being taught in high school english
Also
>using a play as an example of things being read
you don't get to call other people retarded and then make posts like this
>Literally proving his point by posting an adventure comic for kids which is now considered to be a classic of the medium.
Really? Because I'm pretty damn sure Tintin has plenty of cultural impact and the fact it's a "classic" proves it.
Come on, this guy is a fucking joke. I don't know how this illiterate cretin got promoted to a minister. He already has a history of making fucking stupid comments. It's a pity but poor Russia has bad luck with ministers of culture. They didn't have one single competent minister of culture since at least tsar Nicholas II
>>using a play as an example of things being read
how exactly do you think plays are performed, user? all the actors get together and cast a spell to magically learn their lines without reading them? cuz that's not it.
Before you argue just imagine your impression from your favorite movie if you had to read the script instead of watching it.
>Actually listening to Mudinksy
Right in the 47th chromosome, my bratan
>it doesn't count even if I admit it had a huge historical impact myself
LMAO you fucking fanatics are fucking self destructing whenever they talk holy shit.
European comics obliterate capeshit, kiddo.
that's wasn't a good counter, i'm more imaginative than your favorite hollywood director by several orders of magnitude.
Tintin is the same garbage as capeshit and you're lying to yourself if you pretend otherwise.
He's right. It's still kiddy trash and the fact that it has any impact at all shows that the medium is indeed for kids.
Shakespeares works are fucking theater plays, its like reading goddamn movie scripts, not to mention the changes in english language that happened over time
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Vera Brosgol for sure! Granted she's Russian-American but Her storys are still pretty good.
He essentially is responsible for how modern english sounds and a lot of literary tropes.
Reminder that this is a bait thread and you all just fell for it.
>ill attack the person so I don't have to reflect on myself
People do this every time Alan Moore speaks out, too.
His insight is worthless for the reasons above stated. Not gonna repeat myself anyway.
>Vladimir Medinskiy
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He's a Putin ass-kisser who doesn't know shit from Shinola
But you're just digging up excuses to avoid self reflection at any cost. Take his words as if they came from anybody, and stop using fallacies.
triggered man babies.
Yawn.
What self-reflection, are you fucking stupid? Nothing he said was worth analysing, it's the words of a delusional man who knows nothing about literature. Fuck off, I'm damn sure I read more than you anyway (and Dostoevsky happens to be one of my favorite writers, as well as Pushkin).
seething Yea Forumsfag who doesn't realize that his tv shows are also for people who can't read because he believes he's superior for not watching cartoons
You sure made a lot of assumptions there. If you're impressed by Dosto it's no wonder you love comics, though. But that's alright, if you can find something against the other person you won't have to think about their words at all.
I read all that in a Slavic accent.
Go be a shitty troll somewhere else.
It doesn't even work that way, dumbass. It is only a classic because the ceiling for comics is so fucking low.
That's right, if I'm a troll you won't have to reflect at all! Perfect!
>If you're impressed by Dosto it's no wonder you love comics, though
Hahaha this is priceless. Maybe you should be the one doing the self-reflection, as in thinking about how terrible your bait is.
You're not impressing anyone.
Don't you get tired of calling dissenting opinions bait? Doesn't it get old?
I only call your posts "bait" because they're made in bad faith. I have no issues with dissenting opinions, otherwise I wouldn't be here.
>he's still going
Where's my popcorn?
So do you say every person arguing with you is doing so in bad faith, or just the ones you can't respond to?
If you really believed I was a troll, wouldn't giving me yous be what I want?
I'm entertaining myself by feeding idiotic trolls.
You're still not impressing me, troll smarter not harder.
At least you finally admit it.
No, just the ones like yourself who throw weak, openly divisive arguments then claim others are wrong for reasons.
You're not really disproving that reply.
That's the go-to reply of someone arguing in bad faith
Really? You're going to start bringing up arguments? I started replying to your ridiculous post that you shouldn't think about the OP quote because you read Dosto. Not much of an argument.
That's not what I said, I already said my piece hours ago , but most importantly .
He made really enjoyable stories that got added to the literary canon, so people can say they like a canonical work if they like Shakespeare. So basically: It’s just good
Your point was "I don't have to prove anything" ie "I don't want to have this discussion", not an argument. OP isn't arguing semantics of the word art, but whether it's worth being read by adults.
>OP isn't arguing semantics of the word art, but whether it's worth being read by adults.
And it's a dumb point because none of these things have an age cap. Comics are a medium, not a genre.
When you read a comic you don't just read the words, as they are only a small part of the story. You also look and analyze the pictures, you look at the colouring and the inking, you look at the scenery that is shown there, you look at the speech bubble/panel designs and you look at how all of this is connected to the story the writers and artists try to convey. If you believe that comics are for those who can't read you might have misunderstood the concept of reading
>chances are they were also based on a comic book.
I loved the old real house wives comic and remember the whole teen mom series. Takes me back.
Because there is nothing to disprove.
>a single tv genre isn't based on a comic
what are you, some kind of fucking genius? what point did you think you were making here?
You simply assumed that if he mentioned shit TV that it has a high chance of being shit. I showed you that was too much of a generalization. Want me to bring up game of thrones that not only was bases on a book but went of course of said book and suffered for it? Or all the "documentaries" that are history by and for retards? Or hell any of the reality shows, crime shows that turn investigation into magic or possibly you want the live footage shows which might as well just link to liveleak. Your attempt to paint comics as the cause for most bad shows is wrong.
Russia still has a culture department?
>Your attempt to paint comics as the cause for most bad shows is wrong.
i actually wasn't implying anything of the sort. on the contrary, that these shows and movies are only made because enough people read the comics to market it to.
and no need to bring up game of thrones user, i have plenty of toilet paper.
>"You can probably collect them, it's fun, but not to read."
He's right.
He's right. Comic books and video games and so on are at their best when they're marketed toward children and teenagers.
As someone that reads comics but is far more into collecting them I think I like this guy
>Post YFW Trump is going to steal this guy's speech verbatim as a way to get back at all of those lefty comics writers at the big two
He sounds like a bitter curmudgeon, which is ironic, since one of literary's best was a avid cane-shaker and comic book collector -- touting them as "America's literature". The only reasoning Medinskiy has is "hurr hurr I think thing is bad". The moron can go soak his head.
Sorry then. Had that rant and I thought you were saying those shows sucked cause they were comic related. This bait thread kinda puts one on edge and I've always had a hate for "x is shit while ignoring y and z's massive or similar flaws." Plus I just hate most TV and can't even ironically enjoy it like how Yea Forums does with "my 600 lb life."
I think rather than the literacy rate (which you are right, it is actually much higher than it has ever been before in the US and in the world), he was talking about the quality of the literate, which I totally agree on. There's so many people who are ARE COLLEGE EDUCATED that say they haven't read a book outside of class since middle/high school. However the quality of literacy declining might simply be because of a combination new media becoming prevalent, a dilution of the literate, and lack of encouragement by school systems to read material outside of the class.
People who belittle products or media aimed at children are the same people who think children are just tiny, stupid adults
I don't get that. I think most things aren't very good regardless of medium. Whether it's TV, movies, books, comics, etc.
These guys that act super serious pretend like you should only spend your time reading classic novels like Wuthering Heights or Stoner and never read genre fiction even if it's good like Foundation or It. What I think is funny is that classics like Frankenstein would be ridiculed as genre fiction if it came out today.
no need to explain user, that was my bad i didn't express it very clearly. i can't stand tv these days either or how identarian entertainment choices have become, as if it were somehow a substitute for having a personality.
Bro what, I’m a sophomore in college and in high school lit classes, I had to read Beowulf, The Iliad and The Odyssey, the Canterbury Tales, and a shit ton of Shakespeare
Because Shakespeare's stories are still relevant and his writing had held up for centuries.
I think the main reason people don't read much anymore is because of smart phones, the internet being so accessible, and television being higher quality and easily accessible. I mean you can get a TV and antenna for like $300 that gives you HD quality and is bigger than way more expensive TVs from 20 years ago. I mean I've only actually read two books in the last couple years. Cat's Eye and Stoner. I have listened to like 7 audiobooks in the same time span but I only listen when I'm driving so it's easy to miss stuff.
and how many novels worth of shitposts have you read in that same time? without the internet you might have read more books, or you might not have and just replaced it with some other past time like the majority of people would.
everyone itt wants to talk about how no one's reading books anymore, but that's simply not true, those people that loved reading books before are still reading books now. and in reality people who weren't reading before are reading a shit ton more now that they're on the internet where text is still the primary means of conveying information. 50 years ago you wouldn't have to do a whole lot if any reading to get through your day. that's not so easy to accomplish anymore in the age of text messages and emails.
It also depends on what type of reading you do. Go on cooking forums or DIY sites or hell wiki sites and just for a half hour might give a wealth of information that a week of classic literature might not. You could never pick up a book in a year but gain equal knowledge from bits and pieces all across the web. Now this is very iffy since you could just be on Yea Forums for that same year and gain nothing cause all you did was browse /s/ and /qa/.
On the internet you're still reading A LOT, though. Likely as much if not more than if you were devoting entirely to a single book, though I reject the notion that people aren't reading literature anymore because if anything, technology has made a lot of people who would otherwise not have direct access to it much closer to a lot of novels and stories.
Also, plenty of classic tales are absorbed through osmosis via pop culture nowadays, so for the most part people don't have to read them anymore in order to be familiar with them. Hamlet, for example, would seem redundant and generic after so many stories inspired by it that have taken place since it was written.
I read this post on Calculon's voice, complete with dramatic pauses.
Don't forget the fish rape.
Eh, not really. Midsummer’s Night Dream is a little Adam Sandler romantic comedy-ish for my tastes.
It's not that low brow.
have you even seen that remote movie whatever it's called
>tfw too dumb to grasp literature
Why do smart-bois have to rub my nose in this all the time?
Just read golden age sci-fi the Big Three got their start by writing short stories in the Amazing Stories which were for the average man
>Reading comics doesn't mean you don't read big boy books.
It does on this board. People are so fucking dumb here they often can't understand the comics they are supposedly reading.
I thought i read a interview where Ellison pretty much admitted that he collects them out of habit and doesn't bother reading them because they're so badly written.
>Bawwww post-modernist art sucks
Elitist snobs can GTFO
>/IC/ fag here.
Why advertise how worthless your post is right off the bat like that?
because smart-bois get it worse
Do people in this site just flat out haven't gone to high school? Either that or they went to really shitty ones that never made them read
why is Yea Forums so self flagellating about its subject matter? Every time some irrelevant, out of touch, old guy who has nothing to do with the medium makes some broad statement about comics or cartoons being bad or infantile anons flock to them as if they were spreading sage wisdom when it is clear that they are speaking from their personal biases or prejudices or just flat out don't know what they are talking about
Click? That movie got heavy feels in the end.
It's called insecurity. Manchildren who are deep down embarrassed of their hobby have to lash out against Bill Maher, etc. because otherwise they'd have to own up to the fact that they've devoted their life to over priced illustrated children's books.
How so?
everyone always picks on the nerds
how is this news to you
Did you immediately get beaten up if you scored well on tests at your school? Sure as hell never had that experience at school.
>Sure as hell never had that experience at school.
you mean the scoring well part
>not B, so therefore not A
don't be willfully smoothbrained, it's unbecoming of a young lady
lmao those alcoholic greatgreatgreatgreatgreatparents of yours were knee deep in that sequential art shit, faggot
internet is being used to talk about shit you watch on tv, people aren't discovering jack shit beyond what youtube and facebook feeds deliver
prime example: Yea Forums
This guy is just a pencil necked autistic Yea Forums geek. Yeah, books are cool and all, but comics are like the total package IMO. You get so much visual in comics. The shit you see in the MCU STILL isn't anything compared to the top tier visuals that happens in comics, and that's STILL the peak of live action capeshit, visual-wise.
I know, people will say, "but the words and phrases in a novel are good enough for visualization, only low IQ tards need images to fully see shit", negro, I can visualize shit well, maybe TOO well for me. I'm just saying that it's really nice to see the visuals in a comic and not having to worry about so many descriptions and such clogging up the pages as it's already there to see. And sometimes the visual details surpass what can be described anyway.
>Shakespeare used to be taught in public schools.
Shakespeare is still taught in public schools you jackass.
>listening to Slavs
>ever
kill yourself.
>lit geek
No, just a retard
>the extra chromosome guy
>calling ANYBODY an imbecile
kek
>500000 rubles have been deposited in Russian bank account. Go and buy good bread loaf tonight. -Pooty Poot
But 99% of comics (not counting manga and BD) is capeshit or worse.
Flick is based.
Unfortunately he doesn't do full comics
Russia is home country of alcoholism, AIDS and corruption.
russia has always had trouble with roads and fools in power and this is never change
He said "in my opinion"
Aside from botching their own economy and the Russian government stealing its citizen's money to fuck up the rest of the world and dream of going back to Soviet statist, authoritarian imperialism, I'm not sure what "Russia" has done to envy for a while.
Also, some comics have a higher reading level and deeper ideas than some books. I also think the "classics" are overrated often from a time when the bar was set low because so few people could read and write. At the same time, there is a huge lack of critical thinking and more than anything a majority gullibility problem where people can't recognize the most obvious ripoffs imaginable (so many Nigerian princes). So there is a major comprehension problem.
>and dbz characters.
Tien sucks, tien has always sucked and he will continue to suck until the inevitable reboot after AT croaks
Books are for people who can't imagine
You're the one implying that everyone who is "smart" is a "nerd", which is bullshit.
I don't read long books for fun anymore, with a comic it just takes a few minutes and i'm good, the last full on book i read was Le Miserables and that took me a few days. Currently if im not reading for information then its just a waste of my time.
I don't think comics were fully intended to be for children from the very beginning. Many of the older stuff focused around middle aged adults in wars, and when we got to super hero comics they too often centered around adults talking mature subjects. Hell there are even a subset of comics aimed specifically at children, meaning that the entire medium isn't simply for kids.
Feeding the trolls here, but this assumes that comic art has no value and only the text has value.
Clearly there is value in the art, since some comics are completely textless.
>the general public is no longer literate to the degree that they used to be
People read more books now, in absolute terms an in per-capita terms, than in any point in history.
Because this board can only bitch instead of looking for good stuff, so when some asshole says some retarded bullshit like that they flock to them with their "HE'S RIGHT LMAO" bullshit.
If it gets people to read at all, then that's a postive.
He is right but i am.not stop reading comics now and then. I like them.
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Didn't one of the Sandman comic book issues win like some kind of literary award but afterwards, the people who oversee the awards changed the rules so that another comic book would never win a literary award? I think it was in one of those comic book documentaries back in the 2000's.
Lol at the salt.
When was the last time you heard of a Russian comic book?
Wrong, stop speaking out of your ass. The Bard was well known for his plays appealing to both the rabble and high minded people of the time. It was The Sopranos of the time. If you dont get it, youre probably just too dumb.
Send your kids to a good private school.
Isn't incase Russian?
>Sopranos
Gross
Nah, people didnt read much more in the 80s and 90s unless you mean newspapers. Reading has been on the decline since radio and the big drop was after the first televisions.
In 1967 "La mort de l'auteur" was written because much less people were reading books. It proposed that everyone should dumb things down by not asking people to learn the context a work was written in just to make things more accessible and save the "dying" medium.
Shakespeare is great as a literary into. You get the basics of poetry and everything but it’s useless beyond that. There’s way better, more relevant things to study that doesn’t have an outdated dialect. That’s why kids don’t understand it. Not because of the media or that the general population has dumbed down. His language is so beyond our modern lexicon it’s not even really worth it to try and read. It can be read for sure, but why? So people can feel superior and judge new generations for not keeping obsolete traditions alive?
Apparently not I had a similar discussion on this very board just recently.
I thought he was Polish but I guess that's wrong too.
Why do people have this incessant urge to try to look down on others as inferior, and proclaim such at every given chance?
I thought they lifted the Greek alphabet. Is China secretly responsible for the marvels of Ancient Greece?
>he thought this post sounded super smart
See, you just did it there yourself. You're proving my point.
>Various film and television versions of Sandman have been developed unsuccessfully since the 1990s
It's almost like not every medium is equal and some have strengths others don't.
>Russian culture
The absolute state of Russia
>Shakespeare used to be taught in school
Its still being taught in school you uneducated mongrel. I was also forced to read the shitty Epic of Gilgamesh and MacBeth was better than Romeo and Juliet.
Fuck off.
T. Zoomer who been graduated
If I read a comic book version of the Communist Manifesto, would I be doing something bad?
Like, is anybody stopping Russia from creating their own booming film industry?
Reminder that this guy's constantly being accused and found guilty of plagiarism and had his doctorate taken away. The only reason he's still got a degree in anything is because of his position as a government stooge.
Didn't the director of The Avengers film, Josh Whedon, study the works of Shakespeare? Even Kenneth Branagh, who directed the Thor movie, not the second or third ones, was also a Shakespearian actor and student. So was Patrick Stewart, even Stan Lee infused Shakespearean language into his comic books and the Kryptonians in the Superman movies from the 1970's, they way they spoke was because the writer knew Shakespeare and wrote the Kryptonians that way.
I think the Byzantines gave the Eastern Europeans, the Cyrillic Alphabet as well as Eastern Orthodox Christianity.
The Chino will be claiming that soon enough
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