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>Do you have any gripes with a typical concert that should be addressed?
Old people and their phones going off.

Old people and their coughing

>Was it his only good work?
Not even close

Got it. Instead of a senior discount, I will be instituting a senior PRICE HIKE and putting them as far in the back as possible. Any coughing and they will be immediately ejected.

there were coughs during beethovens own performances of his own music
do you deserve better than beethoven?

Name another. I'll refute you

Yes, Beethoven couldn't hear the coughers so it didn't matter.

Piano Sonata 20
C major Quintet
A major Quintet
Wanderer Fantasy
F minor four hand Fantasy
8th Symphony
Winterreise
Arpeggione Sonata

I don't see how that trio is better than any of those. It's at best equal with some of the pieces I mentioned.

western art pieces with the same iv7 - VII - v7 - i progression
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brahms didn't "work in the same forms" unless your understanding of form is so superficial and general that you consider just having symphonies with four movements is "working in the same forms as beethoven"

not even schubert's best andante con moto
not even the best movement of the trio
not even his best c minor second movement
not even his best trio second movement

>arkivmusic finally comes back
>removed the ability to look through the recorded discography of specific works
What is even the point the catalogue was like the only good thing about that website.

I get what you're saying, but there's a definite inspiration from Beethoven, even if Brahms moved away from some of Beethoven's forms. Listen to Beethoven's third piano concerto Mov. 3 and Brahms' first piano concerto Mov. 3. While they are obviously very different, there's a clear inspiration. The rest of the concerto isn't as obviously influenced by Beethoven, though.

yeah that movement does follow beethoven pretty closely, but his overall attitude to the concerto form is much more aligned with that of mendelssohn and schumann where the soloist is incorporated into the greater narrative, which is explicitly romantic and in contrast with the classical mozartian approach that beethoven also followed

Yeah, that's a good point. He does take the Beethoven model but from a different perspective in that concerto. Overall, I agree with you, Bhrams certainly moved away from Beethoven, even if taking a lot of inspiration from him

I always felt the two were completely separate from one another. Brahms was the classicist while Wagner the modern romantic.
Obviously, Brahms had romantic elements to his music, but he wanted to keep himself within the classical traditions.
One thing that I would argue is that Brahms use of motifs in his symphonic work rivals (maybe even outperforms) Wagner's operas.

I would also like to add that I feel that wagner utilized chromatic harmonies more to an extent compared to Brahms. Brahms was like the romantic era version of neo-classicism era Stravinsky for me, although better in my opinion.

bump

checked i’ve also thought a lot about this fortunately we have cliches to look toward as a guiding light because we all know the only true holy trinity is
>bach
>beethoven
>brahms

>Brahms vs. Wagner? I enjoy them both immensely for different reasons

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basado

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>Friday vibes boiss
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replace Beethoven with Mozart

no

yes

>In the evening he goes through [Spontini’s] Olimpie Overture with Herr Seidl, who does not know it: “Splendid stuff,” says R., “I can actually see the Diadochi filing in. It stands somewhere between Gluck and Rossini, quite remarkable—it has an entirely Gluckian structure and a passion for cadences such as no one showed before Rossini, except Cherubini. But it has character, one is aware of a proud fellow who will stand no nonsense, wears all his medals on his chest. One can see what a difference self-assurance makes, how unmistakably dramatic it all is when one compares it with Brahms, for instance.”

You can hear the unsureness in Brahms' music. He never was completely natural in the forms that he worked in, and even though this is a criticism which must be taken into account, in my opinion it also adds to Brahms' unique character. There's always a yearning after something, which Grieg defined as ancient landscape with ruins. When he insisted that his was a path which could only be followed alone, I always think of this.

But I think the Brahms worship, such as calling him a superior to Wagner or BEETHOVEN(!), is ridiculous.

>You can hear the unsureness in Brahms' music. He never was completely natural in the forms that he worked in, and even though this is a criticism which must be taken into account, in my opinion it also adds to Brahms' unique character. There's always a yearning after something, which Grieg defined as ancient landscape with ruins. When he insisted that his was a path which could only be followed alone, I always think of this.
this unique character is why I prefer the original version of the first trio over the revision
it has SOVL

Little boy Brahms was a sexy piece of ass, no homo go look it up and tell me you wouldn't

he was a real life anime character

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he looks like he was made in the elden ring character creator.

Franck
youtu.be/evesBBUH4l0

70's and 80's Brahms is the worst period.

Kek this.

he was elven alright
>We listened now to the young Brahms from Hamburg, referred to the other day in Schumann’s article in your journal. The article had, as you know, awakened mistrust in numerous circles (perhaps in many cases only from fear). At all events it had created a very difficult situation for the young man, for its justification required the fulfilment of great demands; and when the slender, fair youth appeared, so deficient in presence, so shy, so modest, his voice still in transitional falsetto, few could have suspected the genius that had already created so rich a world in this young nature. Berlioz had, however, already discovered in his profile a striking likeness to Schiller, and conjectured his possession of a kindred virgin soul, and when the young genius unfolded his wings, when, with extraordinary facility, with inward and outward energy, he presented his scherzo, flashing, rushing, sparkling; when, afterwards, his andante swelled towards us in intimate, mournful tones, we all felt: Yes, here is a true genius, and Schumann was right; and when Berlioz, deeply moved, embraced the young man and pressed him to his heart, then, dear friend, I felt myself affected by such a sacred tremour of enthusiasm as I have seldom experienced…. If you should smile now and then whilst reading my letter, remember that it is the poet who has spoken, and that it was yourself who invited him to do so.

>There we meet, like the Hellenes in the steaming chasm at Delphi, at the center of the great world tragedy... Here everything is sublime horror, only addressable in riddles. Since the time when I returned to Munich from the wonderful Hohenschwangau week and had to raise anxious questions about our fate, the theme has arisen and is now haunting me, which greets us immediately at the beginning of this act, and our decision, the last question, the last will of the world god is supposed to announce.

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Sorabji
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>created using Sibelius notation software
They're never actually going to play this fucker's music huh

Mankind is not ready

I just want to hear his music performed masterfully, I'm tired of hearing shitty toothless toe and MIDI performances of his stuff. I unironically want to hear a better recording of this
youtube.com/watch?v=YOIoHFxghN8

Why don't people just record sections?

>One thing that I would argue is that Brahms use of motifs in his symphonic work rivals (maybe even outperforms) Wagner's operas.
They're very different types of development. But the scale and melodic inventiveness of Wagner I think easily trumps Brahms. The other thing is that Wagner's development is easy to miss, and is just subconsciously appreciated by most people.

where can i find pre bach music recorded on modern pianos? i cant fucking stand harpsichords

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yes, Mozart is better

This is what a Brahms fan looks like.

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This is what a Brahms fan looks like.

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But he's a Wagner fan as well.

He's a Mahler fan too, so he can't ever be taken seriously.

Time to practice

retards

>His reputation in the greater musical world still went hardly beyond Schumann’s “Neue Bahnen.” A potential challenger to those revolutionaries he certainly was, and no doubt he planned to become one in fact. As part of that ambition he was working himself up to a fight. This year [1859] he wrote Joachim, “My fingers often itch to do battle, to begin to write anti-Liszt.”

Reminder Brahms was groomed to be a conservative.

He's like Anakin and Schumman is Sheev

>Western classical tradition
nonexistent, sorry