What do you guys think is this generation's Watchmen?

What was the 80's Watchmen?

Tom King's Mister Miracle is hot fucking garbage and anyone who openly admits to liking it on here is a fucking short sighted dumbass

Kingdom Bum

ah fuck

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>What was the 00s' Watchmen?
The Authority I guess

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Black Hammer

Going by OP's definition:
90s: Astro City
00s: The Boys
10s: Mind MGMT. Not exactly a superhero book but it is about people with powers. The fact that it's not a superhero book in any way might be what makes it feel so 10s. It feels like superheroes were less relevant to the medium this decade than ever before despite the success of the movies.

>Foolkiller
No
>The Authority
Planetary is closer.
>Black Hammer
No
>The Boys
Dude, no.

Ming MGMT is so fucking good. Contender for comic of the decade

>Dude, no.
It captured the spirit of the decade. DC and Marvel were doing shit like The Boys unironically in Identity Crisis and Ultimatum. It tapped into all that shit and sent it up at the same time.

How were those anything like The boys?

I mean only existing to push the envelope.

Many superhero comics of the 00s had no artistic ambitions except to be edgy and out-edge the competition, but they pretended they were saying something profound and moving superheroes forward. The Boys was openly crass and lowbrow and was honest with its intentions. In doing so it turned a spotlight on how shallow and stupid the other 'subversive' superhero comics of the time were.

Baker's Plastic Man

You would have a point if it wasn't abundantly obvious that The Boys had no intention of doing any such thing. It's not a critique of that era, it's a relic of it which gets reconfirmed every time Ennis puts pen to paper to write something else.

Watchmen killed the Superhero, the next Watchmen won't be a cape comic.

Ennis was very clearly shitting on the way that the Big 2 did things.

Which is why he's spent his entire career writing shit, amirite?

The rest of his career has nothing to do with this, I don't agree with what the other user is saying about The Boys being the 00's Watchmen but Ennis used it to criticize the way that the Big 2 run their business.

It's basic connect the dots my guy.

>Ennis writes edgy cape comic
>Ennis also writes everything edgy
>therefore he probably did not intend to critique the idea of edgyness but was probably just being edgy because he's an edgy dude who doesn't like Superheroes unless they're Superman

It's not hard.

I wasn't talking about edginess in any of my posts, I said that he was criticizing Marvel and DC in The Boys outside of shitting on their supes.

Okay, what was he criticising?

The resurrections, stories doing the same things over and over again and the status quo.
Did you not read The Boys? It's clear as day that Vought is a stand in for Marvel/DC when it comes to the management of their supers.

Literally when does any of this happen in The Boys? The closest it comes to a commentary on the big two is the fact that Vought has so many random superheroes nobody has ever heard of. Everything else is just a thin pastiche of popular characters with edgy stuff stacked on as if the edginess itself makes some kind of point.

What Ennis fails to realise is that this doesn't make him insightful or elevate his work, it makes him just like everyone else.

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>Literally when does any of this happen in The Boys?
I can understand not liking The Boys, but come the fuck on.
The entire comic is filled with characters talking and shitting on super-hero tropes.

I just explained to you how shitting on super hero tropes doesn't actually create a cohesive theme or point. Ennis isn't actually saying anything, he's just shitting on as many ideas he doesn't like as possible with no rhyme or reason. "Everyone I don't like is a pervert" doesn't explain or add anything to the criticism of comic book/capeshit culture.

>In terms of capturing the spirit of the decade and getting people to see heroes differently .
Looking back at the 00's it was full of paranoia and anxiety about terrorism and the US had a very us against them mentality. It's like the whole country went mad for a few years. So you're looking for a cape comic that's all about that.

>I just explained to you how shitting on super hero tropes doesn't actually create a cohesive theme or point
Aside from shitting on the tropes he was also criticizing the companies behind the heroes, I seriously don't understand how you could miss it when Ennis is as subtle as a fucking hammer to the face.
>Ennis isn't actually saying anything, he's just shitting on as many ideas he doesn't like as possible with no rhyme or reason.
Just because he used the Boys to shit on every super ever made doesn't mean that he didn't have a point, and I'm specifically talking about the company behind the heroes here. The Boys is hardly a realistic take on supes when you consider that all of them are just lab grown products .
>"Everyone I don't like is a pervert" doesn't explain or add anything to the criticism of comic book/capeshit culture.
I agree, that's why the first couple of volumes are so hard to read.

Okay so let's circle back to what I originally asked, where and how does the boys actually say anything substantial about superheroes? You keep avoiding having to lay anything concrete down here for direction because it doesn't exist.

The boys doesn't critique Resurrection, it just makes it edgy. It doesn't critique the status quo it just makes it edgy. It doesn't critique superheroes it just makes them edgy. A substantial critique of them as a concept requires more than just a lazy 'what if they were bad guys tho?' approach and is beyond Ennis' abilties as a writer - the reason it's relevant to bring up the rest of his career is that for the rest of his career he engages, completely unironically, in precisely what The Boys is allegedly criticising. If it were true that The Boys was criticising that sort of thing then Ennis wouldn't later abuse it himself because writing The Boys in such a way would necessitate his awareness of them. The fact that you can possibly read some sort of very thin criticism into the Big Two from The Boys is entirely accidental. We can prove this further with reference to the fact that it was originally intended to be published by DC itself.

Ennis' point with The Boys starts and ends with 'Superheroes are boring to me, stop liking what I don't like.' I don't even really like Superheroes either but his execution of this vanishingly thin 'criticism' is painfully infantile.

>where and how does the boys actually say anything substantial about superheroes?
Jesus Christ, I'm talking about the companies and not the fucking heroes, I've said it multiple times in my posts.
I mean come the fuck on, literally on my last post I said
>I'm specifically talking about the company behind the heroes here. The Boys is hardly a realistic take on supes when you consider that all of them are just lab grown products .

Ennis, Ellis and Morrison fans are intense

Ennis' criticism of crony capitalist America is certainly more substantial than anything else in The Boys but has nothing particularly to do with Marvel or DC.

Invincible or The Boys? Which one is better in terms of
>overall quality
>art design
>story
>characters