Justice/Doom War Part 2
Justice League 031 Storytime
Easton Thomas
Jacob Collins
Ryan Diaz
Sebastian Johnson
Brayden Young
Jackson Thomas
Lucas Powell
Reminder that Doomsday Clock is not canon. Scott Snyder said so.
>**Nrama**: So does this tie in to Doomsday Clock at all? Because we’ve seen the seeds of the Justice Society returning in Doomsday Clock.
>**Snyder**: Not really. I mean, Doomsday Clock really is its own wonderful, incredible story. The kind of light connection between them is just that, what Geoff and I talked about was because Doomsday Clock is kind of running at its own pace and in its own kind of continuity, what I didn’t want to do was bring the JSA back before he had a chance to reintroduce them as a concept in issue #10.
>I think that’s similar with other characters that he’s going to be using in Doomsday Clock as well.
>So there’s a nod to each other in that regard. I wanted him to be able to have the JSA as an idea, and have that first appearance in Doomsday Clock.
>But in terms of the continuities linking up, Doomsday Clock is a very special and inspirational book. We’re all amazed, I think, at how good it is. **But its effects are relatively self-contained to itself.**
Dylan Taylor
Dylan Foster
Joseph Allen
Isaiah Howard
Tyler Peterson
Oh God, the Hawksnarl is getting worse!
Thomas Collins
Tyler Brooks
So I guess that Barry forgot about the events of The Button.
Brandon Rogers
Kayden Long
Mason Carter
Andrew Bailey
Benjamin Kelly
Ian Stewart
Gabriel Watson
>DC
>Editors
>Caring
>Continuity
>Implying
Levi Williams
Jayden Barnes
Adam Taylor
Ethan Gomez
I like these guys.
Cameron Gutierrez
Samuel Thomas
That's all. Hope you enjoyed this book.
David Rodriguez
>A talking gorilla and a cheetah woman go back in time in order to fly on Japanese planes and bomb Pearl Harbor
I...uh...what?
Parker Ross
Good issue. A bit fan-servicey. But good.
Ian Wood
Please don't ruin DC 1 Million with this nonsense.
Eli Long
>it took the JSA to make this book good
sounds about right
John Thompson
I dropped Aquaman back when the whole amnesia thing started
So does this line up?
Nathan Murphy
>The Anti-Monitor's mom is worried about him
>The Anti-Monitor is rebelling against his mom by teaming up with...Aquaman
These are not words I ever expected to read in a published corner, and I'm fucking rolling for SAN loss while I also try to comprehend Lex FUCKING Luthor calling somebody his queen unironically
Jaxon Turner
Yeah, on the orders of Lex "Perfect Cell" Luthor who unlocked his perfect APEX form by absorbing Martian Manhunter and the Monitor brothers' mom in order to gain total control over hypertime by spreading supervillainy throughout the multiverse.
COMICS!
Elijah Wood
I'ma be real with you, the Aquaman story hasn't even advanced enough to give you a firm answer either way. We only JUST got Black Manta's Evangelion introduced, and I have no idea how the fuck that leads into the Anti-Monitor needing the man who can talk to fish on his side.
Michael Gutierrez
Im currently reading Sandman Mystery Theatre and I miss Wesley Dodds and Dian
William Kelly
>main bad guy is God
>allies are two gods creators of universes
>minor villain can capture entire futures in bottles
Man, these events are getting really stupid. Do DC know what the word scalling means?
Brandon Richardson
You know, if Snyder was a bit more attentive (a big ask, I know) he might've remember Kyle Rayner should be able to reassemble the Life Equation and become the white lantern again with the disparate elements of it he scattered.
Why is this a big deal? Because it's the source code to creation, a force that can remake the universe and pierce or affect the Source Wall itself-something Perpetua's struggling to do. Lex's bullshit could've been stopped in days if someone had reminded Kyle he could just grab the white light of creation by the pussy LIKE HE ALREADY DID THAT ONE TIME TO REMAKE THE UNIVERSE IN HIS IMAGE.
Technically it's not God. Nooooo, it's the being who WAS BEFORE God. Remember, even Carey's run explicitly said there were creators before the Presence and creators that would be after him. And SHE HERSELF has a creator. And you know what's really fucked? Darkseid tortured a way into that being, the Source, with machines he built, and essentailly would've done Thanos' wanky Zamasu plan in Starlin's final trilogy decades before it happened if it wasn't for his son Orion also jumping in to battle him in there. And I'm not even talking about Death of the New Gods which nobody wants to admit is canon even though Morrison directly referenced it in Final Crisis: Secret Files, I'm talking about the overarching plot for the 1995 New Gods run.
Oh and don't forget one of those gods themself was a midboss beaten by Superman in one punch, man.
Jordan Gonzalez
>minor villain can capture entire futures in bottles
Brainiac can do that since Future's End/Convergence.
Evan Myers
>and pierce or affect the Source Wall itself-something Perpetua's struggling to do.
The Source Wall has been destroyed for a while now.
William Harris
>Technically it's not God. Nooooo, it's the being who WAS BEFORE God.
Source > Perpetua. An emissary of the source apparently was too much for Perpetua. Snyder seems to be going with Source = Presence rather than Starlin's oddly weak Source sphere.
The "Source Wall" according to Snyder's run was just a literal wall around the universe to seal Perpetua. It wasn't actually part of the Source or anything like that (although the source also would be beyond that wall, but it's not really connected to it in any way).
Caleb Sanders
>affect the Source Wall itself-something Perpetua's struggling to do.
>The Source Wall has been destroyed for a whil
I love Kyle but he didn't "pierce" it he went through and came back alive
Mason Wright
>gorilla grodd and cheetah bombed pearl harbor
You fucking hwat m8
Nicholas Edwards
I also forgot about the events of The Button, so it's understandable.
Cameron Ross
Shouldn't he have gone all"YYEEEEEEEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHH!!!"
Luke Ward
>I'm the last boy on Earth
You know what must be done, Diana.
Andrew Evans
I think the meaning is, when you put characters who can do those things, how can you give credible options for the heroes to win
Kayden Barnes
I'm still bothered that never got a proper explaination for the mechanics other than Braniac just turning into a weird cancerous tech singularity by fusing with his alts
Yeah meant how she was sealed by it before, and how she only got out because of the Legion of Doom's shenanigans
I meant "God" in the sense of the Abrahamic one, the Lucifer title is still ongoing and from what I can tell there's no indication it and the Source are the same thing so far or that Lucifer's adventures have any connection to the ongoing crisis and Heaven is just treated like another Sphere of the Gods domain in the rest of DC. I know traditionally the Source is seen as a chunk of the big P but thus far I'm finding it dubious the Presence and the Source are the same thing.
Alright yeah that's true, that's all I meant by "pierce". Didn't mean he physically rammed it or anything, but shitty as Godhead was I remember Highfather remarking on how unique even that was.
Nathan Thomas
Why is lex being subservient? Isn’t his whole thing he will bow to no one?
Jonathan Perry
Guess starman stuff undone here in 1 million.
Jordan Garcia
Hmmmmm. .?..
Asher Allen
People have commented on this before. Yes, the most absurd part of this event is Lex drinking all of the kool-aid.
Personaly I'm weirdly okay with it even if I do think it's completely out of character. I look at it like this: Every time a cosmic being's tried to manipulate Lex in the past, it's tried to make him subservient to it. This one is manipulating Lex...by telling him he was right about everything, and her evil plan involves giving him the power to become a Superman-level icon of the future.
And Lex is just, this fucking petty ball of issues. He literally gave up cosmic power because it wouldn't let him hurt Superman once.
So I choose to believe this the result of many years and several crises' worth of starving for validation being released all at once.
Owen Kelly
Luther will probably backstab her.
Tyler Young
Ha. No, much as we all hate Laughs I'm pretty sure we're supposed to take the Joker's warning about Laughs going to fuck everything up for Luthor super hard somehow and the fact that Laughs has not one but two side stories fixated around his bullshit isn't a coincidence. Nor is the rather blunt foreshadowing about the JL going all Persona and tapping the dark energies to turn Earth into a temporary white light beacon and repel Umbrax early in this run.
No, I think this is all going to blow up super hard in Luthor's face for reasons other than the solicit for what seems to be the climatic issue saying PERPETUA gets full control over Hypertime using the Totality without mentioning his name.
Levi Evans
OH NO Lex is going to make us see a boring movie directed by Michael Bay.
Jayden Roberts
Nope
Kevin Young
And this is why the Joker left, because he might be a criminal psychopath but he is still an American!
Jose Adams
>Hypertime
Oh! So this is old Earth-2! Nice!
Justin Stewart
ALL the bad guys have had their personalities muted so they can be footsoldiers of Perpetua.
The antagonists continue to be the weakest part of Snyder's writing.
John Perez
Thanks for the storytime!
Ryder Rodriguez
If this doesn't end in Fate and Alan wrecking the enemy with ease, I'm pissed. Fate alone shouldn't have a problem. Unless it's a case of letting damage happen, because it's in Fate to do so.
Kayden Perry
>Black Manta's Evangelion
Excuse me?
Jordan Lewis
Would that mean the DC 1 million future is New Earth?
Asher Harris
No its a remove hypertime past of earth zero.
Jayden Brooks
>Three futures over
So is this New Earth?
Kayden Russell
...Isn't that exactly what old Earth-2 is?
Jackson Reed
The entire point of Lex's character arc is him discovering an ancient cosmic truth and finally believing in something greater than himself that would lead to him and the rest of the human race becoming the immortal gods of the multiverse and beyond.
Only Lex, everyone else is pursuing their own goals. Even the core members of the legion like Grodd and Sinestro are on it because of their own motivations.
Evan Powell
Called it, mainly because he was the only one missing in that big spread of the heroes and was too important to not be part of the story
Kayden Robinson
It doesn't feel like they're pursuing their own goals though, and the interactions between members are bland as hell.
You got Sinestro, Grodd, and Cheetah in Japanese zeroes because that's what they were told to do. They could be swapped out with any LOD member--and that's the problem. They aren't doing Cheetah, Grodd, and Sinestro things in the plot. They're doing team Perpetua shit.
Grayson Barnes
>Gorilla Grodd bombed Pearl Harbor
Camden Hughes
Oh no Barry is gonna trigger Als Manlet rage.
Jose Kelly
wondertitties she's packin lads
Zachary Young
Fun issue.
Dylan Collins
So is this before or after Doomsday Clock?
Gabriel Brown
A giant ass black manta themed mecha with the mind of Manta's father.
Evan Lopez
No.
Jaxon Edwards
Doomsday Clock is not canon
Daniel Wright
>The Legion bombed Pearl Harbor
That's the crazy shit that makes me like comics.
This was such a good issue.
Brayden Rodriguez
>ATOMLETS, WHEN WILL THEY LEARN
Jace Reyes
That part is a little too campy for me. I'd prefer it if it was something other than them literally flying in Japanese zeros. Like Sinestro with a bunch of samurai constructs invading the west coast.
Gabriel Cruz
Normally. even when I don't read a comic, I get the gist of what's happening through the grapevine.
I have absolutely no idea what's happening in this run. I dropped this around issue 5 or so, whenever Luthor destroyed the future when he won and he was obsessed with a doorknob. I don't hate it, but there was just so much dialogue and it was decompressed
Is Snyder's as confusing as it seems
Evan Parker
Him and Bruce forget about Jay immediately after seeing him IN The Buttons story
Brandon Scott
Snyder is just being true to old DC lore of crossing the time barrier resetting your memory unless you're prepared for it.
Jace Fisher
Damn, look at those wonder milkers.
Jordan Morales
Superman flattened a guy who created the multiverse with a punch. They'll be fine.
Adrian Kelly
Right Handed Alan?
Carter Barnes
Superman 1 Million was ridiculously OP. Unless he jobs hard the League is done.
Colton Thompson
And Jays kinda blonde.
Jack Ortiz
For the Presence, love this pages!!
Dominic Smith
So this is a third faction amongst the two aka WILD CARD BITCHES
Hudson Turner
>He put Hypertime possible futures in bottles so we need to leave this bottle and go to another
Fucking what? Can someone explain how this is a thing that can just be done and no one seems to question it?
Charles Young
He already did it once in convergence.
Don't fuck with Brainiac.
Hudson Wright
>Casual learns about DC's dials
Nathan Cruz
k-kino?
Austin Carter
What is that pose
Daniel Perez
Image 40 years from now if someone had Super-Villian be the catalyst for 9/11. Because that's what this is and it's so silly to me.
Angel Carter
Still loving this JL run
Henry Myers
I forgot how sexy One Million Wonder Woman is.
Jeremiah Hill
Wasn't that just Brainiac just literally digging up various metropolises'? Not bottling literal time.
Liam Hughes
No man, no. he was literally going back in macro/hypertime to before various cosmic retrons and taking cities from them. He had total control over hypertime which is that that one badguy from Warlord tried to steal from him.
If you want to be real anal about it, Brainiac wasn't even the first--bottling time is an old Time Trapper move.
Jeremiah Cox
Grayson Flores
>JSA gets a at least somewhat decent reintroduction and are still recognisable though they're detached from the main universe
>the LSH get erased from reality and replaced with Bendis bullshit
You win some and you lose a lot, apparently.
Jaxson Lee
Its LOSH, it's only a matter of time before they default back to classic. Classic is the rock upon which reimaginings crash against and break.
Jose Ramirez
We waited for over half a decade for this one, who knows if we'll even still be around if we have to wait that long again.
Brandon Collins
kek dab on them manlets
Joshua Ross
You know what? Fuck the haters. This has been nothing but fun.
Christopher Miller
Not really. He is pushing the scale of everything stupidly high, but it's not really "high concept", so it's much simpler than Morrison's stuff if you actually stop to read the run.
Julian Lopez
This
Cameron Cruz
Shut up autist
Blake Gonzalez
Yeah I’m thinking Snyder is based
Dylan Collins
Still true.
Sebastian Morgan
it's weird to see Lex, now that he is frothing over some 6th dimensional super god mommy
Aiden Campbell
Batman shouldn't even be here with City of Bane, and the flash should be dealing with the new forces. There is no continuity being followed at all
Luis Sanchez
It's a 180° from what he usually is but it makes sense given what he has learned and gone through. He even acknowledges how bizarre he sounds when acting like a zealot, but Perpetua's path seems like the only way to both save the multiverse and achieve immortality and nigh omnipotence not just for himself, but for all mankind. He'd be humanity's eternal hero and wield power on a scale in which superman wouldn't even be a blip on his radar
Nicholas Gray
Bump
Christian Campbell
>Mommy mommy I am confused by different books coming out the same month not necessarily happening simultaneously!!
Blake Perry
He just wanted some milkies and tendies all this time
John Peterson
There is no way a coherent timeline can happen between the books at all. Lex made his offer to Bane, Catwoman, Ras, Harley, Red Hood, Mr. Freeze, Talon and others all within a short period of time.
In Tom King's Batman book, Batman hasn't been back in Gotham since getting his ass kicked by Bane. This happened at the same time Jason was running the Iceberg Lounge. Recently Bruce Wayne was stranded on an island with Deadshot shortly after he saved a carnival from Joker. There really isn't any time for Batman to be travelling the universe with the JLA.
Joker mentioned leaving Lex's Legion of Doom, so the Joker carnival issue of Detective Comics must have happened after that. In that same issue, Lex makes an offer to Mr. Freeze, so it must have been pretty close to when he made his offer to Bane. But Batman can't have been in the city if "City of Bane" had already begun, and also Joker wouldn't be terrorising the carnival if he was one of Bane's brainwashed cops. Detective Comics must have taken place well before King's Batman, and yet Lex makes his offer to Freeze in that same very issue and he doesn't make his offer to Bane until Bane's rule is well underway. On top of that, Batman has been consistently appearing in the JLA comics with no mention of Alfred being held hostage or Bruce being trapped on an island or being nursed back to health by Catwoman. Also, in JLA he was in a full body cast for quite a while and that was never reflected in the other books. Also, Penguin was held captive by Jason Todd for god knows how long, and yet he was supposedly working for Bane as well. I believe he even made an appearance in the Catwoman book in another city when he was also inside Jason's cell and under Bane's thumb. Also, Gordon is under control of the BWL but only in 1 book.
It's not about being unable to understand that the books aren't happening simultaneously, it's that they straight up contradict each other, and a timeline between them simply cannot work.
Benjamin Morales
>them thighs
>those tits
I would love to watch Wondy snap necks all day
Benjamin Evans
>JJ Supergirl
I NEED more of this.