One hit with this and you're back to how they made you

You’d have to pair her with a different Sapphire, though.

Because they're unreliable
Gems hit with them will just regain memories if exposed to familiar circumstances

Didn't bismuth say they "use to" use them? They were probably retired for that exact reason.

this
Peridot didn't know what it was, while bismuth did. We know Peridot is a relatively young gem compared to Bismuth and co, so it's likely they haven't been used in awhile

This and This. Spinel's whole plan relied on 6000 year old tech.

All gems are dumb

I could also see the diamonds not wanting such technology being in the hands of lower gems, just in case any others turned traitor on them like rose and the CGs and tried to use it against them.

Use was probably discontinued after finding they weren't a long term solution. Gems that rebelled and got reset would likely rebel again after continuing to work in the same conditions that caused it the first time.

Easier to just shatter them.

First, you just need to be triggered to get all your memories back
second, the second any soldier wielding one falls, the Crystal Gems cna pick it up and start using it themselves on your soldiers, possibly boosting their numbers
too risky for not enough rewards

Or just not pair her with anyone. We've seen Rubies doing things besides bodyguard duty.

because gem weapons never fucking work.
>weapon made to erase memories doesnt actually erase memories
>destabilizer requires you to get in close quarters and has to be held up to target
>gem warship has to take them to charge and cant break a gem shield (whereas bismuth almost broke steven's bubble with her "fists")
>limb enhancers have weapons that users dont seem to be told about
>gem cannon meant for shooting down things cant actually shoot down ships
like fuck, just get a gun. it apparently works better than anything HW makes.

How do you know they never did? It's possible to retrieve your memories anyway. And Bismuth was able to identify it after all.

Seems like it was used, there are many of pink diamond's ex-soldiers off-earth. Thing is,you are basically just poofing the enemy soldiers. It's not really much more effective than anything else.

it would have made more sense if they were a post-gem war creation.
literally made to prevent that shit from happening again

Yeah Rebecca and everyone else there are shit at coming up with halfway decent weapons.

This is the LAST thing the diamonds would want the Crystal Gems getting their hands on. Rose Quartz was already abnormally good at converting people to her side. Imagine how much worse it would be if they had a tool that could undo propaganda.

you know, if the writers were smart they could make that into a plot point. like, humans are better at making weapons and some rouge gem wants to use them.

Aquamarie's wand was a gem weapon and it's the most broken thing in the series.

Anyone got a link to the movie? I need to watch this shit right now.

true, but its a pretty dangerous weapon since if someone gets the jump on her or she just fucking drops it the person who picks it up can smack anything they want around. hell, even AQ wasnt that good with it.

Ret-con and making shit up as they go because the story is going on longer than planned.

Why did the Diamonds take away Pink Pearl for playing with Pink and mind rape her, then give her an even sillier gem to play with after?

The rebellion lasted something like five thousand years. What makes you think you saw every second of it and know they never once tried to use that weapon against any of them?

We don't know why they took Pink Pearl away. Or anything about Pink Pearl, really.

I assumed they gave her Pearl and Spinel so she could separate work and play.

Because they needed to invent a reason to essentially make this a story telling you shit you already know if you watched the series.

They specifically invented a reason to force bad storytelling into the movie, that's where we're at.

The problem is they pretty clearly think these are good weapons. So that won't ever happen.

The thing I don't like about it is how it just makes the gem destabilizer completely worthless, which is odd considering it was implied to be new-ish technology ("She's a modern gem with modern gem technology that's bound to overpower us")
Homeworld would have won if Jasper had a gem weapon like that during Jailbreak

also why did Spinel have access to that custom injector with her heart gem on it that responded to her hand horn and the scythe weapon which just so happened to be her color as well. She spent the last 6k years standing still and immediately went to Earth, her sole purpose was to be Pink's toy so where did she get that shit.

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i dont think they do.
gem weapons not working seems to be becoming a running gag. they only time one has been framed as threatening without something going wrong was with aquamarine's wand, and that wasnt built up.

>gem weapons not working seems to be becoming a running gag
Well that literally isn't true at all
Tell me even one time when gem technology was played as a gag

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Would have been better if that was something invented after Rose's rebellion. Peridot said that dwindling resources meant newer generations of gems are inferior, so giving a hard reset to belligerent gems instead of shattering them would be more practical. Jasper coming to Earth with that tuning fork thing that only poofs them makes sense because Homeworld would want to interrogate/torture any surviving Crystal Gems first.

well, you posted one of them.

Pink Diamond's stash of shit that ruins life.

i wasnt being literal. my point is that gem tech is a joke.

the duplicator wand made a 10 year old kid able to fight all the protagonists and came closer to destroying Beach City than the Diamonds, realistically there would have been a ton of casualties too.

gem technology/artifacts/weapons was never played off as ineffective, except maybe in Friend Ship with the many millennia-old tech.

you can say what was shown, but as it was played off like something funny.

Similarly if you took Amethyst out of Earth she likely wouldn't come back. Plus as said it's still really effective at incapacitating gems and it's really easy to shatter defects or fodder rebels like Amy that way.

couldn't in theory one those heal a corrupted gem though?

Maybe. Even if it worked, it would probably re-corrupt them the moment they remembered their programming, through.

true.

>imageboard
>no images

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Then in that case everyone other than Steven, Lapis, and maybe Peridot should have known what it was.
Bad writing is bad writing, user.

she said "used to use it" so maybe it was discontinued before the rebellion?

It was a device that Pink owned, and she didn't tell the other diamonds about it, possibly because they were the intended targets. Spinel had it because Pink left the device at the garden.

Thats unlikely

Wasn't a gem artifact capable of time travel? Sounds broke as fuck compared to mundane things like destabilizers and whatnot. Doesn't make sense for the older stuff to be more advanced (unless it's like magic and the oldest gear is the most powerful)

The alternative is what, that she bought it a gem-mart?

while it is unlikely the weapon was left in the garden, the device does fit with pink's personal themes:
> it does no physical harm to organics or to gems
> it provides the opportunity to recover original mindset so even memories are not lost

> rose quartz wants a sword that will only poof gems and bubbles bismuth over a weapon that exclusively shatters gems

it seems like the rejuvinator would be a weapon designed as a compromise between the other diamonds who want Pink to take better control of her subjects, and Pink not wanting her subjects to suffer imprisonment (yellow) shattering (blue) or emotional abuse (white) as punishments for a gem.

The other diamonds are satisfied that the status quo is maintained by the gem acting properly, and pink gets to pretend that she's a good person because that gem isn't really dead inside.

>Then in that case everyone other than Steven, Lapis, and maybe Peridot should have known what it was.
The others didn't really have a chance to comment on it before being bisected.

>Then in that case everyone other than Steven, Lapis, and maybe Peridot should have known what it was.
No, that doesn't follow. They didn't all join the rebellion at the same time for starters.

It explicitly is magic.

The alternative is that all the diamonds have one and theygave her one to use since Pink Diamond also had subjects to use it on in case they started going nuts. It's not like it's a secret device she invented. Its something the diamonds use, or rather used to use I guess. She could have had multiple and left the one that she was supposed to use if Spinell ever went nuts in the garden.

is this like a dark age of technology thing where a precursor gem civilization was more advanced?

Or the other obvious explanation which is that the gems are an artificial species created by whoever also created their higher quality technology.

They are oddly human shaped for beings that didn't know what humans looked like... and also possess time travel devices.

So there's both magic and technology so advanced it might as well be magic? How do you tell the difference?

Maybe they're newer weapons that weren't produced in the time of the rebellion, much like the normal gem destabilizers? The CGs didn't seem to know what those were when Jasper used one on them and we've never seen them in Rebellion flashbacks.

so time traveling humans made gems?

Or future humans made gems that ended up in the past. Perhaps automatons designed to mine the galaxy for mineral resources, and deliver them to their creators at some specific date.

This
You basically end up with an unintentional sleeper agent who can regress at a moments notice.

My weedsmonk theory is gems are future humans, who were so advanced they didn't need physical forms or fucking in order to reproduce. They couldn't escape entropy themselves, but they managed to send a small kit back in time in order to seed the universe with their legacy, and that shit eventually became Homeworld. Would explain why they look (and more importantly, act) like humans despite being so alien

I was always under the impression it wasn't that the gems look human, it's that humans look like gems for some reason.

Poor writing

I've always assumed that the more magic-y artifacts came from Blue's court. Since she spent the last 5000 years sobbing and barely doing her job, maybe the technology just ended up lost. Meanwhile, Yellow was the only diamond who was really active during the 5000 years (white was locked in her room), so the more technology-based stuff continued to evolve.

read the thread

>Given enough time on Earth, every gem will eventually give birth to a hybrid organic offspring.

Yeah but gems are notoriously indifferent to change. Rather than change how society is structured and all that, it sounds more convenient to just shatter dissenters

Given enough Viagra, Greg will do it himself.

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Greg has retired the murdercock. Now he only uses it in emergencies.

Aww yeah, give me the Megaman ZX future. No more humans or reploids, just freaky (and hot) hybrids of the two

He's just looking for an excuse to use the old "Universe Charm"

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lets hear those headcannons, Yea Forums
yes, event the dumb ones

The real reason Steven didn't let the Diamonds move to Earth.

The ZX future was fucked-up. Steven Universe has hybrids, but Mega Man is about robots, who're just built like real robots. There are still humans and reploids, but they're basically made equal with each other by law. Reploids have an artificially capped lifespan and humans are made into cyborgs. Mavericks are reploids that don't want to be killed, just like Logan's Run.

One possibility is that it was really a medical device that they never considered the potential military applications of because the Diamonds have always discouraged thinking outside of the box.

Spinel just thought of using it that way because she went insane.

Spinel will surely get into wacky adventures on Homeworld

What the fuck that's insane.

I mean, it feels vaguely in line with Casshern which was a pretty big influence on the MMX series (or is that the other way around?) but still absurd

Someone theorized that since it looks like a scythe, it's used as step one when "Harvesting" a gem. Which we still have no idea what that really means.

they said what the device was for in the movie
what would be the point in reseting a new gem?

If crystal gems got their hands on one, they could reprogram people in the same way

how is Yea Forums this brainlet
we saw pearl jump on the first person they saw, not all gems are immediately loyal to the diamonds

>If crystal gems got their hands on one, they could reprogram people in the same way
did you meant to say gems?
>we saw pearl jump on the first person they saw, not all gems are immediately loyal to the diamonds
seems like Pearl are loyal to whoever register as their owner, like Ruby was ready immediately to give her life to protect her Sapphire, but we still dont know how they would react to a diamond, but I think we can assume they would be loyal to them

because it's too mean

the reason greg gets antsy and sad when he talks about the gem war is because he himself has witnessed or was in a war himself.
i know its a stupid head cannon, but i had to rationalize a reason to why one character out of all of them actually has good advice

A pearl’s sexuality is influenced by the gender of their first owner, so our Pearl is gay, but when she got reset, she temporarily became straight.

They're rare, hard to make, and you don't want to risk them falling into enemy hands.

Spinel was in Pink's inner circle. She knew how to access things that normally only Diamonds have access to.

fucking BASED

Adult Steven will have a pomp.

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>Hey Spinel, I'm bored. Lets check those world destroyers and weapons Yellow and Blue told me to keep secret
sounds like Rose alright

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Where the fuck did she get the kill water?

Diamonds outward INTENT may have changed but their inner personalities are still "shining through" their attempted better behavior: White Diamond guilt trips instead of assuming direct control.

Then Spinel gets a dose of her own attitude when the Diamonds "adore" her too much and she tries to abandon them for just one day.
> Movie Yellow Diamond: "6000 years? That's practically nothing."
> Movie Blue and White Diamond: (Laughs at the joke)
1 Announcement that Spinel can't be found Later:
> Also Yellow Diamond: "SPINEL IS MISSING?! I AM SO CRACKED RIGHT NOW! RECALL THE ARMY, ASSEMBLE SEARCH PARTIES, KNOCK DOWN EVERY DOOR ON HOMEWORLD *AND EARTH* IF YOU HAVE TO! FIND SPINEL!"
> Also Blue Diamond is a crying mess with her Blue Pearl patting her hand
> Also White Diamond is apparently catatonic staring into space, but her eyes are darting between stars and can't look away.
Steven returns to homeworld and finds Spinel who is actually in the secret area of Pink Diamond's room, being with the pebbles.

Steven convinces Spinel that he'll keep her hiding spot a secret but will tell the diamonds she's still "here" and basically puts the Diamonds and Spinel through a series of personalty tests by proxy of his crystal gems to get them behaving in a more balanced manner.

Meanwhile, on homeworld, on test day... Image related.
> WHAT I LEARNED ABOUT BEING A DIAMOND IS...

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> Terrified of a crystal gem possessing one

Why? Returning a loyal homeworld gem to 'default factory settings' would be relatively harmless compared to the damage it would do to to the Crystal gems.

Gems in general are born knowing what they're made to do, so killing a normal amethyst or whatever in the middle of a battle won't really amount to anything since it'll just wake up ready to fight again, doing it to the rag tag (and basically casteless) Crystal gems like Sapphire/Ruby/Pearl/Bismuth/basically any non-quartz will fuck them over for a lot longer since their default purpose isn't fighting.

Probably. Reformatted Spinel didn't know how to work the machine, so Pink had to have shown her how.

>did you meant to say gems?
weird correction, but oky

>we still dont know how they would react to a diamond
Steven is a diamond

i mean, you arent completely wrong. the show is clearly showing that the diamonds still have a lot left to grow and change. whether or not we will see that change is the question.

She probably had a stockpile in case the Diamonds said no. She was retarded tho, hence the overcompensation water cooler of doom.

No gem would know he’s a diamond without him telling. If they saw his gem, they’d think he’s a quartz.

Why do you guys keep saying this? I'm sure 99% of gems are already serving their default purpose in life.

One more weird thing about that.
Yellow and Blue and White didn't know how all the Crystal Gems had been mutated.
Centipedle described the happening as a noise.
This pink planet destroyer was controlled by a trumpeting noise, so Rose was the one that used trumpeting noises to do things.
The other Diamonds were never shown using sound in such a way.

All the clues together, suggest that all the mutated gems we made so by Rose. She only saved her inner circle of fusion buddies.

is just that when you say people I think of humans and that think would work on them, and the scythe dont reprogram gems but returns them to their default, that wouldnt be very useful and probably wouldnt last long.
As for Steven, he doenst look like a diamond, he doesnt even look like a gem, is not like they can sense a diamond. No gem recognized Steven as diamond, not even Blue and Yellow, until he used his aura on them

> Centipedle described the happening as a noise.

But didn't Centipedle know that it was caused by the diamonds? Back when she was drawing the last moments before being mutated, when Steven asks 'where did that come from?' she draws the three diamond structure.

It isn't any more effective at incapacitating gems than just poofing them, which you have to do anyways for it to work.

It may be a case of character dialog not being trustworthy. She had reason to think it was the diamonds, but the diamonds acted ignorant about it.

I don't want to go as far as suggesting that Pink faked it, but if mutating the CG was enough to save them from the other Diamonds, she might have still done it.

Could also just be that 3 diamonds just isn't enough to cause the destruction they intended to, so mutations were the result.

It poofs them AND makes it so when they reform they don't have any idea of whats going on, and since the CG's have a large majority of 'non fighter/quartz type gems', them reforming and not wanting to/knowing how to fight would be a time consuming disadvantage, compared to HW mostly using quartz types who were born wanting to fight anyway.

Then it's not some sort of automatic connection to diamonds--homeworld wouldn't necessarily have a perfect defense against rejuvenation

base function isn't the same as loyalty
If Ruby attaches to the first sapphire she sees, then what's to stop either side from taking advantage

>is not like they can sense a diamond
Then we know that the loyalty isn't automatic and can be taken advantage of

in wich way? keep in mind the rejuvenator is easily reversible

Poor writing

remember when everyone thought the corruption was emitted by the Diamonds singing, giving more weight to how important singing is to gem culture, the show backs it up with Nephrite confirming it was indeed a song
>You stopped. You heard something. From the sky, a sound. A song?

then we see the event aaaaand... it was just a basic blast. Really stuck the landing there eh SU?

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>easily
Hardly. Most gems don't have big emotional events that could jog their old personalities, much less anyone to help them through it. Bismuth was clearly familiar with the weapon and also clearly never knew anyone recovering from it based on dialogue

Because they could use it to get an army of loyal Gems?

> diamond's hands held up, motioning "stop"
> movie diamond's hands held out, motioning "welcome"

actual kino

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isnt that just a representation? isnt that one of Steven dreams?

Garnet and Pearl are in modern costumes.

from wich episode is that from?

I think it was from Garnet's S5 story, it wasn't stylized so I'd say it's a safe bet that it was the actual scene playing out. Garnet probably would have known it was a song with her being there and now that the Diamond/Corruption plot has been mined dry the story as we know it it was just a basic blast. You can say it's further supported by Blue's comment in Legs From Here to Homeworld
>We blasted the planet

you sure? aside from fusing, what took for Garnet was seeing a familiar gem and a word
>Most gems don't have big emotional events
you cant just assume that, specially if it was used on gems who step out of line

An attack mutates everyone. Rose just happens to be able to shield against it, and happens to be around her founding members at that moment. Rose tells them it was the diamonds. No witness around to argue it.

>We blasted the planet
They made a deadly attack. None of them know what the fuck was with the mutations. Rose was the one that was mixing gem characteristics with plants and animals.

Feels like if Rose had a power like that she would have done it a lot earlier, either TO the diamonds, or while most of the HW gems were still on earth.

Seems like that latter part is also pretty leaning towards it indeed being caused by the HW Diamonds, since Centi says they conveniently got a call to retreat right before it happened.

It might have been a saving throw. Not a direct attack, but a reverberation from her shield. Plant and animal mixed with gem stuff is her modus operandi. Steven made a colony of living watermelons without knowing he was doing so.

yeap, is from Garnets story in Your mother and mine, thou doesnt mean they couldnt have used a song to generate the blast

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I think thats still a pretty big leap in logic when there's not really anything suggesting roses shield reverberates radiation or some shit.

I mean we already know that the diamonds have no real issue with doing cruel mutation experiments and even going as far as to make something horrific like the Cluster.

They outright stated their attack was intended to kill. They aren't ashamed.

If Ruby was automatically loyal to a Sapphire, why would she not be automatically loyal to a Diamond?

Maybe because there wasn't 4 it just didn't work? I mean we already know at this point that it takes 4 diamonds to heal even just 1 gem, so maybe the number is important.

Or maybe the show writers just conveniently forget these things.

>roses shield reverberates radiation or some shit.
well, Steven shild did dissipate lazuli water clones with vibrations, did it dissipated the gems weapons too?

The movie seems to imply Spinel didn't leave the garden that much if at all prior to her abandonment.

When she did leave, she either went to some other place Pink Diamond had been keeping her own colonization gear and grabbed a big bottle of planet-killer, or she raided a Yellow Diamond storage facility and did the same.

Remember, YD has spent the past two years dismantling her military, but you don't just grab all your missiles and terraforming gear and huck it into the sun. To literally take it all apart--all dozens of planets worth of military hard ware-- would take decades. And given that the series has yet to establish any other enemies of the gems, that shit wouldn't really be heavily guarded, nor would *one* Injector be noticed immediately as missing.

Spinel had a total element of surprise on her side. Not just against the first battle/route against the Crystal Gems but I doubt anybody on Homeworld was going around stealing this shit.

Steven realizes that one of the less fortunate things he inherited from his mother is a tendency to ditch people when they become too hard to deal with, makes and effort to call the Diamonds and Spinel and visit Homeworld semi-regularly.

Yeah, Bismuth's wording implies that Homeworld had stopped making them even BEFORE the Rebellion.

It's still a fucking melee weapon. And how do you know homeworld didn't use it? If bismuth knows what it is I'm guessing it was used during the war. Homeworld won that war anyway.

Really hope this is the case.

Lol imagine if they hit Rose Quartz with the scythe, expecting her to reform into a dutiful warrior, only to get Pink Diamond herself out of the deal.

>Steven actually kept the Scythe with him and fucked over the moment with Spinel

YOU STUPID FAT

And if it was used on a Diamond?

Are you saying that Pink probably slashed Pink Pearl with that thing and White was the next thing Pink Pearl imprinted on?

I'd assume they just fell out of use due to being ureliable. With as long as gems live, there's no telling when the switch could flipped and their memories returned.

To be fair though, Rose's cannons were pretty much obsolete by the time they had to be used on a gem ship made with gem tech that was literally thousands of years better by comparison

Questions that will be answered in the next major finale. Just like all the Steven x CG fusions and what happens if you remove his gem.

oh my stars. they're gonna use one of these on one of the diamonds to explain where they came from. mark my words. we're gonna see Factory Default Diamonds

I'm pretty sure most of Spinel's "fight scenes" with that weapon were taken right from Soul Eater. I can't recall which scene but my mind immediately went to Maka when she started twirling her scythe.

Knowing Sugar this is probably intentional as fuck.

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we need a steg version of this

absolute quinoa

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what ep was this from?

also
>reset to original state
>buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut they also somewhat retain some of their original memories that can be helped back because....reasons..like...the weapon is just weak enough to do exactly enough for that or something

wasn't amused when gravity falls did that, wasn't amused when mother 3 did that, wasn't amused now either
it greatly reduces the impact of it, much the same way 'resurrecting' does when a show tries to emphisize the weight and consequences of a character dying
the loss is no longer impactful, it's merely just a temporary condition

this was made for no other reason than to fuel the musical aspect of the show - much like many other elements of the movie - which well, if you enjoy that, there you go

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Hopefully they learning how to use use Earth Humor and play a "prank" Steven
>Steven gets a live feed from homeworld
>Spinel has snapped, Is armed to the teeth with weapons and powerful artifacts and plans on shattering the Diamonds
>She miraculously succeeds in doing so and declares war on all Gems before attacking the camera
>*Feed cuts*
>After Steven has a heart attack, a stroke and a seizure all at the same time the Feed comes back up with everyone laughing
>They used the same trick Pink used to fake her death
>You were right Steven, these Earth "Pranks" are quite humorous, you should've seen the look on your face!
>Joke was Spinel's idea was for a small and obvious visual gag but the Diamonds being opulent perfectionists added production value to it.

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Because it's definitely 100 percent era 2 tech.

The bigger question is how Bismuth could have possibly known about it

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Do we actually know how old Bismuth is?
I cant fucking remember, so maybe she was actually old enough to be there when they were used.

> Camera zooms all the way into Pink Diamond's gem
> Pink Diamond is sitting inside on a bean-bag chair watching everything happen on a gem-screen, and asks herself out loud:
"Maybe I can come back now? Did they really learn their lesson?"

> That "joke" happens

PD: "... Fuck them, I'm staying in here forever."

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She was definitely poofed in era 1 right?