What Constitutes a Superhero?

Both of those characters protect people and arguing Punisher doesn't stand for an ideal is kinda stupid.

Goku is a hick sporting for a fight. He's no hero.

>I mean, shit, didn't he put the whole world and more at risk just because he wanted to fight Lord Beerus?
No, Beerus woke up and wanted to fight a Super Saiyan God or else he would've thrown a tantrum. So goku gave him the fight he desired. BoG was not because of Goku at all

>Super
Above normal humans capabilities, either through peak abilities or just plain having superpowers
>Hero
Saves people and have an ideal they strive for. Its not the same, Inspiration, Justice, responsibility, vengeance, salvation and Control in order, but a hero is someone who wants to help people, save lives, and generally make the world a better place, all of those characters do that.

That clear?

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Punisher doesnt really have an ideal he's fighting for that could be considered "heroic".

His war is an incredibly long, bloody, murderous suicide.

>to make generic action schlock.
Well yeah, superheroes have either amazing powers or just plain are peak athletics and save people, the world or just themselves against villains. Of course its going to be generic action, the character is either saving someone or themselves, or stopping an evil character from their goals, if they're not doing that then they're not superheroes, are they?

If Spider-Man's first issue had been entirely action free and only consisted of him trying to get a date for prom, you wouldn't call it a superhero comic, you'd call it a romcom. Likewise if a movie doesn't have action in it, you don't fucking call it an action movie, do you? A romantic movie between two people who hate each other is the same genre as two who fall in love. In reality, superheroes should be anything but generic because superpowers mean they'll be able to do stuff normal action movies couldn't, we've just had them for almost a fucking century now.

>Saves people and have an ideal they strive for. Its not the same, Inspiration, Justice, responsibility, vengeance, salvation and Control in order, but a hero is someone who wants to help people, save lives, and generally make the world a better place, all of those characters do that.

>The Hulk
>Punisher

Not really seeing all that apply to them that well.

>Punisher doesnt really have an ideal he's fighting for that could be considered "heroic".
Sure he does, his ideal is to punish evil and prevent it from harming the innocent, with bullets Lots of bullets. The base idea is still a very heroic act and he strives to rid the world of as much monsters as possible. He just mostly uses bullets to make it permanent, which isn't inherently unheroic, war heroes are a thing.

>Dumb retard confuses the action genre with being generic and lazy

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Yeah, nice try, you still look like an idiot.

Okay. So how is that any different than any of Arnold Schwarzeneggers roles in the 80s? Or Rambo?

What makes Punisher a superhero and Rambo not?

>Absolute fucking mongoloid is so stupid he fails to see the point i was making

No you dumb idiot i meant that "superhero" is an excuse to make LAZY, GENERIC action stories, the same ones every time. Logan is an action movie but its entirely different than Avengers, Suicide Squad, Justice League, or whatever blue sky laser bullshit thats pumped out. Or Event #10,000,000 about the world being changed forevererer.

The problem with the "Superhero Genre" is it isnt a fucking genre and calling it one just gives bad writers carte blanch to kick their feet up and be lazy shitheads.

PRESENTATION!

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why are weebs obsessed with besting superman?

fuck

>>Absolute fucking mongoloid is so stupid he fails to see the point i was making
He says, while failing to read
> In reality, superheroes should be anything but generic because superpowers mean they'll be able to do stuff normal action movies couldn't, we've just had them for almost a fucking century now.
I'm sorry, did mentioning Action movies in the example next to Romcoms confuse you? Did it get weird?

>Logan is an action movie but its entirely different than Avengers, Suicide Squad, Justice League, or whatever blue sky laser bullshit thats pumped out. Or Event #10,000,000 about the world being changed forevererer.
Yeah just like every other radioactive monster movie was in the 50's. No shit, the point that flew right over your head a quote from a wrestler is that superheroes by definition have to have super people, peak or otherwise, being heroic in some fashion, even Logan is about saving the new kids on the block. It is absolutely a genre of action film the same way wuxia is, or do you think Detective Dee is different than the half a dozen other ones? The appeal of Superheroes is that they should be able to do stuff you can't see anywhere else.

I used Romcoms for a reason, and it wasn't just to make you confused, its a very specific subgenre and guess what, there's a fucking billion of the same shit of X falls in love with Y. It's a genre, it's been a genre since the fucking 30's, and if you've got a problem with lazy writers take it out on the idiots who made Venom a hit.

Anyway with that idiot out of the way.
>So how is that any different than any of Arnold Schwarzeneggers roles in the 80s?
Which one? Because most of them, like Commando, have them emphasizing he's a regular guy in a big situation. Yeah, they don't go that way, but they try to push that he's a regular soldier saving his kid in that. It doesn't fall into the genre because there's nothing bigger about the situation so it's not marketed like this is a character out to do good in the world.

> Or Rambo?
Okay, ignoring First Blood, you do remember Rambo being a superhero, right? I mean they made a cartoon about him fighting alongside other superheroes. They made a cartoon about him! That's the level he was at.

Superheroes are beings that have super powers that intentionally do heroic things with them.

Harry Potter really isn't one, as his friends did most of the heavy lifting, and the only thing he really did was trick the bad guy in the very end. A smart strategy, but not really incredible.
Goku isn't really one, as his motivation stems from his desire to get stronger. He is more like a super villain, with all the shit that he brings on to everyone around him.

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But they hang out/associate with tons of people who wear colorful spandex/capes and do the exact same job essentially, so they’re superheroes by extension.

so would that make members of the freiza force superheroes then? they do have colorful uniforms and capes.

Is Harry Potter a superhero then? Luke Skywalker? Stich?

So is Hermione a superhero?

I would say yes, as she chose to hang out with Harry and Ron, and it would take Superman levels of willpower to put up with the two of them.

He has been bested.... Well,CLOWNED on at least.

Saitama. a.k.a. One Punch Man. What's worse,if you say Superman stronger his reaction is.... pic related.

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Superman:
>I don't want to fight, but will do so to protect people
Goku:
>all I care about is getting stronger, but I will protect those who mean something to me if they are in harm's way
Harry Potter:
>literally anyone can do what I can do but for some reason I'm famous