Worst Marvel Comics decade ever?

Worst Marvel Comics decade ever?
Worst Marvel Comics decade ever.

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Between the New52 and Marvel trying to be relevant with blindly missing the point of inclusion, the 10s were awful on either side of the fence.

Worst so far.

still way better than DC comics ever was

Ladderfag please

I dunno I'm a huge marvel fan but this decade has been awful and I'm looking forward to the next decade even less

Not a big deal.

>DCfags damage controlling in every thread

What a surprise.

Nope, Carol is way more prominent so it's the best ever.

Ok. DC is shit. What does that have to do with Marvel's current state?

is this the gator containment thread ?

Wait wht's wrong with the she hulk pannel?

Why are you people so attached to comic companies

nobody even cared about civil war 2 after it wasd done. basically just a bendis pet project that was obviously only made to cash in on the civil war movie.

>Miles Morales.

poor Racist

>2010
>worst decade
shitty bait thread

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She died because she took a War Machine missile to her tits.

oh i forgot that happened, so fucking stupid

>posts Maximum Clonage
>as if it didn't give us Based Reilly and KaINeO
AHA HA HA HA
Stupid faggot, even the worst of the 90s has aged like fine fucking wine

contrarianism in its most retarded form

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>everyone who disagree with my absurd over the top company war bullshit is Tommy
Nice try ladder.

Kaine wasn't good until Yost though. None of his Clone Saga shit is worth reading, except maybe the Lost Years.

You're the marvirgin fanboy who mentioned DC out of nowhere in this Marvel thread first

This is literally the reason miles was created. To have these shitty nerd fights that's it, who cares that miles books have always been terrible or that he has no purpose or unique point to him, he's black so he's shielded from criticism

>nobody even cared about civil war 2
Revisionism bullshit, it caused massive shitstorm for several reasons from Tony and Carol being massively stupid to a single outdated small missile crippling almost killing She-Hulk and somehow taking away her healing factor.

>Kamala
>Robbie Reyes
>Hawkguy
>Moon Knight by Ellis
>Thor (male) by Aaron

I can't complain.

>trash
>trash
>trash
>mediocre
>disaster

it's like getting mad about a tie-in commercial because a character wouldn't really like nike or whatever. it was designed to make some bucks

Yes the clone saga was shit but we got age of apocalypse outta the 90s, I can't think of anything from this decade that even meets half its quality

Two of the comics pictured actually ended up being really great if you read them instead of judging off the art/early issues.

All New Wolverine/X23, The Ultimates, New Avengers & various instances of Ewing stuff, Ms. Marvel, Vision, Loki: Agent of Asgard(and honestly most of the Thor stuff of this era), Immortal Hulk, Squirrel Girl(yes), Hawkeyes, Young Avengers V2, new Runaways, X-men Red, remender's X-force, fucking DOOMWAR have all been pretty stellar.

Plus honestly Secret War and Spiderverse were pretty decent crossovers.

Unironically: probably AoX/PoX

It was dumb but we did get the cool grey rage She Hulk for a while as a result.

>Plus honestly Secret War and Spiderverse were pretty decent crossovers.

No

Marvel also filled for bankrupty, sold movies right to Sony and FOX and the comics industry got smaller. I don't think Marvel would ever want to look at the 90's with rose tinted glasses.

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user, don't.
There's nothing to defend in the Clone Saga other than Lost Years and the Ben Reilly suit.

>Plus honestly Secret War and Spiderverse were pretty decent crossovers.
Secret Wars I can agree with, but Spiderverse turned into "your favorite spider-person is getting killed by a bunch of faggy not-vampires".

>She died because she took a War Machine missile to her tits.
>killed by a teat-seeking missile
Bendis you absolute madman

I feel bad for you.

>liking aaraon thor
I guess we were all duped by the Gorr arc having non shit writing and stellar art, but everything he's touched since has been garbage.

It was a cheap cash grab and it deserves criticism fo that very reason

Hawkguy ruined the character

>NOOOOO MARVEL WAS WORSE
>WHO CARES IF THEY'RE MORE CULTURALLY RELEVANT AND MAKE MORE MONEY THAN DC
>G-GET W-W-WOKE GO B-BROKE

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The worst part about spiderverse is you could've made a pretty fun event of Peter teaming up with different totemic type heros to fight against a non multiversal morlun, Black panther, tigra, wolfsbane, beast(?). But i guess only spider people are totems?

Quads

Company war faggots should end themselves for sucking any one company's dicks in the first place. Fuck Yea Forums and fuck consolewars

>wojakposting

>more damage control
Keep bitching ladder.

Oh no no no

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What even happened in 2011 that made this decade shit? I mean, yeah, there WERE good things to come out of this past decade, not just in comics but in all forms of entertainment, but overall it feels like there were more valleys than peaks.

Who do we blame?

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A lethal combination of greedy suits and lazy creatives. Vidya and movies at least see some success thanks to independent work allowing the good to come through (and a big budget product that sometimes work), but animation and comics have been fucked for decades already, so they're impacted the most.

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The New 52 was okay. There was some bad stuff but a lot of decent stuff too. Definitely better than Rebirth.

Based

I thought the worst part was sidelining Madam Webb throughout the whole event. She should have been a major player for all of this.

Nice.

Holy shit, this is not even a DC thread

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>M.O.D.A.A.K.
Holy shit.

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Loll

Same bitch

Feminists and social media, also disney but also aligns with feminists

>everyone who hates DC is a samefag
Yeah because it's not like people called DC garbage back during the new 52 and man of murder.
Also checked

Their comic division was still profitable, the parent company bought a trading card company and incurred a ton of debt completely unrelated to the comics

>DChode goes "muh 90s"
Yawn

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>ITT:. Everyone who says anything bad about Marvel is a DCfag

she's been dead for a while, julia carpenter took over and has been completely useless, last time she was even mentioned was trying to contact kaine in that scarlet spider book by yost and she didn't do dick. Bitch sent a letter? A geriatric woman was able to call peter from where ever he was back in the 80s and julia can't send an email? or even call?

>Their comic division was still profitable
Except there was a huge problem of speculating because several #1 issues were made such as X-Men that created an industry bubble.

Is that...MODOK Donald Trump?

>julia carpenter took over and has been completely useless
That was because of Slott having her get hit by a car and put into a coma for the whole event. I am amazed her didn't just kill her off

>the Ben Reilly suit
take note of how this user didn't say the character, but only the suit.

This man speaks the truth.

Marvel has been on a comeback recently, and I have hope for the next decade, but The New 52 was fucking awful to the point DC hasn't fully recovered yet for the damage. I don't know, the universe just doesn't quite feel like the one I loved, even with Rebirths and everything. We'll see what happens when the JSA is back and well estabilished again.

no, the problem with speculators was millions of people bought the Death of Superman issue with no intention of ever purchasing another issue of Dumb capeshit comics

Just watch the movies. They’re way better then the dumb books,anyways.

Orange MODOK was funny though, no need to get triggered by that.

In Marvel's case, a number of factors. Firing editors just when things were getting good and getting a "divershitty director" were a big nail on the coffin after a whole decade of bendis and the like.
DC tried to get back on track, but with DilDio around, that ain't happening. He wants DC comics to be adult for adults such as himself and edgy 13 year olds.

I'm not sure where the "woke" crowd came from suddenly, guess they grew up in the emo days after 9/11 and started being heard or something. Maybe because "young adult" novel adaptations (for girls) were a big part of the movie market.

And then there's this weird trend about "killing the past" and finales taking a turn out of the left field. I'm starting to think that's some kind of organized pressure like in the 80s, when every cartoon had to force kids to go with the collective.

Ben was fine before the whole "I'm the real Peter Parker" thing.
The suit is just amazing.

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Wasn't he the one who killed off the original madam web in the first place? it just seemed like a stupid decision to get more use out of another character that can be seen as hotter yet doesn't share the iconic design

The same decade gave us
>Black Bolt
>Ultimates
>New Avengers/USAvengers
>Avengers Standoff/No Surrender/No Road Home
>Hickman's Fantastic Four
>HoX/PoX
>Duggan's GOTG
>Despicable Deadpool
>Zdarsky's Marvel Two-In-One (arguably the best F4 post-Hickman)
>Immortal Hulk
>Spencer's Captain America (NOT Secret Empire, as that was mixed)
>Ms Marvel

And so on... A dumb panel in a children's book, Bendis' idiocy in one cashgrab event and Aaron's lazy storytelling in the filler arcs of Jane Thor won't erase all the good stuff.

DC Death of Superman was part of the same issue. But clearly you don't know your comic history:
>Marvel tried to self distribute comics.
>X-Men number 1 in the early 90s sold millions.
>Continued the trend with other new number 1 issues and comics.
>Helped contribute to the speculator boom.

X-Men 1 sold 8 million copies.

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I would say primarily Social Media and Cancel Culture. But that didn't start in the 10's, the people doing it just got more arrogant in the 2010's.

A lot of the problems in the 2010's came from stuff that was around in the 00's and maybe late 90's. Like for instance the moral outrage over what should be appropriate for comics is not that different from what you'd see at Scans Daily from 2008 (or maybe 2007) onwards. Many moralistic comic bloggers and such came about during the 00's doing their own blogs and then getting to do columns for bigger sites like Comics Alliance or Comics Journal or something. And Comics Journal beget the Hooded Utilitarian crowd. And of course there's some people that came from Something Awful or whatever.

For me it isn't the woke shit that is the problem, it is the overuse of that quirky "I am so kooky" style of comic that tends to accompany being woke.

Unrealistic dialogue, shallow thin political commentary, really corny meme jokes, referential humour.

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Kinda helps that they got rid of Bendis (and he's now DC's problem).

Also, isn't the CEO getting in trouble now?

>Unrealistic dialogue, shallow thin political commentary, really corny meme jokes, referential humour.
All in low selling, niche comics. But okay, keep getting triggered over a miniseries of a D-tier character.

Ms Marvel is part of that too though.

Just frustrating that these comics sometimes try to take themselves seriously when they are tonally just comedies.

>Just frustrating that these comics sometimes try to take themselves seriously when they are tonally just comedies.
True, this should be the gold standard to which every comic book should aspire.

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I mean if you want to just strawman, go ahead. It is clear to all who is triggered here.

Variety is the spice of life. I would rather have something different over the two extremes of edgy or quirky shit. Seems like most comics fit in to one or the other.

I'm not the one getting triggered over a COMIC book being comedic here.

Criticizing something is being triggered now?

I was talking about a specific tone. Not a book in general being comedic. But hey you just want to troll.

Nu52 was DC version of Heroes Reborn but even bigger and shittier.

It has been for 10 years.

>The New 52 was okay.
It really wasn't.

Green Lantern and series like Batman Inc basically ignored the reboot.

Loads of shit flinging at the wall in series. Awful interpretations of villains, like making Darkseid generic badman.

God Nu52 was awful.

Tell that to him:
>"It is clear to all who is triggered here."

>I was talking about a specific tone
And the tone of these books is comedic, because Ms Marvel in particular is a teen girl who has a regular life and tries to adapt it to her superhero lifestyle, and life has both humor and drama. What's the problem there?
Gwenpool is pretty much pure comedy, you may not like the quirky stuff but it still has funny stuff in it, and Squirrel Girl is MOST definitely not a serious character, has never been.

No, the 1950's win that.
This one seems tied with the 90's.

Comedy happens to break down into different kinds. The problem I have is that the comedy in a lot of these books is very similar to each other. It weakens their attempts at drama because they take nothing that seriously, even when they want something to be serious. It always seems to border tonally into ONE type of comedy.

It isn't bad in one book, but in several?

>Tell that to him
>But okay, keep getting triggered over a miniseries of a D-tier character.
I mean you started by saying that to me instead of debating in good faith. God forbid people want to discuss things on a board for doing that.

Please, most people here started reading funny books in the 90s and everyone loved Marvel at least until the Clone Saga. 90s Marvel had the action, poses, atitude, cheesecake and everything we loved about spandex clad heroes.

Imagine if Marvel or DC didn't self sabotage and tried so hard to be hip.
Like if either of them didn't shit the bed, they'd probably be a clear cut winner rn.

>The problem I have is that the comedy in a lot of these books is very similar to each other.

I think I know what you're talking about. This is also a problem even outside of comics.

>debating in good faith
I'm always down for this, but look at what started the thread in first place and tell me it's possible in here.
But either way, I don't see how the humor in Ms Marvel is in any way similar to Gwenpool's or Squirrel Girl. I really don't. GP and SP maybe (and even then, Ryan North's style isn't at all comparable to Hastings'), but Ms Marvel's style is way closer to something you may find in Runaways.

>but look at what started the thread in first place (OP) and tell me it's possible in here.
You can always turn a shit thread into a good one, as long as you don't continue to act like the shithead that started it.

Don't pin this on me, people here are way too aggressive all the time, specially in baiting threads like these. I'm not normally this way.

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Is it more worse badder than this?

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dabs are always funny you fucking boomer.

>I don't see how the humor in Ms Marvel is in any way similar to Gwenpool's or Squirrel Girl.
They follow a really similar style.

>tell me it's possible in here
It is always possible, friend. All it takes is two people.

At least it’s not IDW.

>They follow a really similar style.
You're not saying anything here, though.
>All it takes is two people.
Yeah but you're not saying anything anyway! How are they similar? They have nothing in common, I don't think you've actually read either of them.

>samefagging this hard
Holy shit laddercuck what is wrong with you

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>people here are way too aggressive all the time
To be fair, my original post wasn't bait neither was I being aggressive. Simply commenting.

>I don't think you've actually read either of them.
First you say I am triggered. Then you say I haven't read either of them.

>You're not saying anything here, though.
It is a quirky, self referential, pop culture type of humour. It has been in all those books and more.

Whenever Ms Marvel tries to be more serious it always feels undercut by the humour. When really it should have more of a balance. This type of humour always feels too meta and not how people act.

>Ultimates
>Good
>Despicable Deadpool
>Good
>Ms Marvel
>Good

Every single one of your opinions are invalidated due to enormous shit taste

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I can excuse not liking Deadpool because well, he's an acquired taste, he's gotten too much exposure, that's understandable. I can also excuse not liking Ms Marvel because some of you really sipped the Kool-Aid regarding culture wars and all that, that's OK, not gonna hold it against you...
But did you seriously claim Ultimates was bad? You absolutely tasteless motherfucker?

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Marvel was more popular and still consistently selling more than DC all throughout the 90s

The more you complain about this the more it shows how much of a snowflake you are

Most of them I've enjoyed

You do realize what year this is right?

Dude. That just shows how old you are

Late 90s to early 2000s was the worst time for marvel. Between them and image and all their variant limited edition covers, they almost crippled a whole industry.

2000-2010 had U.S. War Machine.
2010-2020 doesn't have U.S. War Machine.

A-fuckin' greed. That's the actual dead zone to me; furthermore I think the true golden era was late 70's to late 80's.

Some people just really need to be put on teams. It's easier to hate the blue team than actually think about anything

hawkguy was great before Kate came and stole his thunder

You wasted all that money on these cancelled books? Wtf

>I'm not sure where the "woke" crowd came from suddenly
They're a symptom of Marvel's penny pinching attitude and lack of editors combined with a perceived idea that they're the socially progressive one. These three things make them search out cheap new writers (often super liberal since they're right out of college)and literary authors getting a lot of buzz, whom they put on "diversity" books since they're supposed to be "experts" (Coats, Cain and Rivera). The problem is most of them don't actually know how to write a comic and they lack editor to teach them how and to reign back they're impulses and write something a little less extreme

>Marvel trying to be relevant with blindly missing the point of inclusion

That's literally the first time I've seen someone on Yea Forums articulate this point better than "I don't hate niggers and femoids; i just hate seeing niggers and femoids in muh comics".

Comics have been steadily getting worse each year for over a decade now. I have no idea how they can get worse, but every day I'm surprised by how shit they've become.

>I'm not sure where the "woke" crowd came from
Blue twitter checkmarks and controversy.

Unfortunately the problem with editors and the like is that when they read stuff online they tend to read things in the bubble of reddit and mainstream sites.

The fact Marvel gave the America Chavez book to a complete novice because she was a gay latina and giving a job to someone who called their company, and Stan Lee, racist just shows part of the problem.

Read the pic. Marvel has for years been in the grip of controversy cycle to sell comics. Only for years the cycle involved bad events and killing people off. Now they have driven it up a gear with constant new legacy characters and wokeness chasing that short term sugar rush over long term sales.

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I think it's because the internet makes everything super connected so it makes things like comedy very incestuous. Everyone "knows" each other and you can post a joke that only your close friends would know on Twitter so everyone and their mom can see it. This is not an environment conducive for creativity as it breed complacency and laziness.

>comedy very incestuous
See for me it is the Whedon/Tarantino effect. Whedon and Tarantino have had a HUGE effect on how dialogue is written across pop culture, from movies to tv to comics.

Whedon specialises in the quirky pop culture style characters, which as hip as it might, be ages rather quickly. Making everyone quippy tends to be rather annoying if they don't have people to play off against.

Tarantino's dialogue is the same in how it makes a lot of his characters feel the same. People have to be cool and quick and add subtext to everything.

Unfortunately the dialogue in comics has bled over. A lot of Bendis dialogue has been criticised for how it takes its time, its references and how its characters sound the same.

Humour should be different depending on who is saying it but too many characters bleed into one.

Ms Marvel doesn't belong in the list with the rest of those

Half of what you said was absolute shit and made for a worse decade.

>Green Lantern ignored the reboot.
Thankfully it did until it was over. For a long time half of DC didn't know whether they were supposed to acknowledge Nu52 or old continuity, if I remember a lot of artists just couldn't handle that shit while trying to keep up with schedule.

Yup.

The problems with IDW were (are?) more or less the same kind, though.

Oh I didn't mean just at Marvel. It's just at this decade, BOOM, Marvel, DC and IDW decide to drink the Kool Aid, cartoons of every source, movies etc.

Haha I know that pic pretty well... honestly I think it might just have been Brevoort being an idiot and missing the obvious point.
>People keep complaining about bendis' Avengers but it still sells well
Like you fucking retard, it's not selling BECAUSE it's shit, it's because it's a fucking book with Spider-Man and Wolverine while Spider-Man and Wolverine movies are coming out. Imagine if every issue were worth buying instead of shitty trade-bait.

Oh wait, Ewing's Ultimates. Haven't read it yet but gotta hand it to ya.

Is She-Hulk giving that missile a paizuri?

None of them were cancelled though?

>Half of what you said was absolute shit and made for a worse decade.
No, you simply have terrible taste, but that's fine I guess, somebody has to.

>says the hickman fan

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Hickman.

It got me from buying on average about 30 comics a month to reading 1 maybe 2 Yea Forums storytimes out of boredom.

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Marvels quality has been on the rise since Bendis got the fuck out.

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not so fast

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Except for his writing?

the cop in the top left is the worst art in that image

The amount of PANIC on this page is insurmountable, hahaha. Pathetic.

>Including a comic written in the 70s specifically for children learning to read
Are you trying to devalue your own argument?

B8.

Quints right from the Disney CEO to our eyes.

>B-Buht my corporate overlords are better than their corporate overlord!

Shut the fuck up, nigga.

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They RUINED DickBats for that shitty reboot.
Unfucking believable.

And thank god they brought Green Lantern to a proper end, instead of doing the bidding of what shitty strategy the CEO overloards come up with on any given day.

>it's ok when dc does it

>this guy defends Bat/Cat/Bat/Cat/Bat/Cat/Bat/Cat/Bat/Cat/Bat/Cat/Bat/Cat/Bat/Cat/Bat/Cat/Bat/Cat/Bat/Cat/Bat/Cat/...

Makes the 90s look like a renaissance by comparison.

Speaking as someone who grew up reading comics in the 90’s, even the worst stories like Avengers: The Crossing haven’t pissed me off like the 2010’s crapfest.

And while 90’s Marvel gets a lot of flak, 90’s DC has some gems like Kyle Rayner as GL, Wally’s entire 90’s run as Flash, Animal Man, JLA: Year One, Sandman, Hellblazer, Lucifer, Kingdom Come.

>someone shits on Marvel
Desperately try to shift the focus to shitting on someone, anyone else

Second worst. Nothing beats the 90s where they almost went bankrupt. Sony could've bought all the movie rights back then for 20 million but only paid 7 million because they wanted only Spider-Man.

>Sony could've bought all the movie rights back then for 20 million but only paid 7 million because they wanted only Spider-Man.
This is very sad.

Objectively wrong
90s>s>2010s (closely)

all Dick Grayson stories are only made for faggots

No

>objectively wrong
>while posting an objectively wrong opinion
I doubt the decade that Marvel almost went out of business would be considered better than any other. If it wasn't for the X-Men they might've not survived anyway.

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It may have been the worse for them, but not for readers. During a lot of the 2010s' Marvel barely resembled Marvel, what with everyone replaced, the X-Men sidelined and the F4 buried under the ground of the basement.

Every new decade is the worst decade ever for everything and everybody.

>Dcucks.jpg
Oh hi Ladderbro

This has been a pretty terrible decade for entertainment in general. If you are a white man who isn't suffering from white guilt or feminsim there really is nothing for you to watch, read or play right now.
Everything is about marie sue women and minorities saving the day form evil or idiot white men

counterpoint: objectively yes

Respone: Factually no

I doubt even they're having that great of a time, they're just glad everyone else is having just as much of a shitty time.

With the exception of
>Superior Spider-Man
>the first run of Kamala Miss. Marvel
>The current run of Punisher
>Carnage

I dunno, I think in the past year or so it has picked up considerably and there's been good stuff amidst the shit just like the past 2 decades. If it's the worst it's not by a whole lot.

>Superior Spider-Man
>exception

Why does everybody on this site and nobody in real life hate Otto Spidey?

Going out of business would've been bad for readers. And the 90s was a bad time for a lot of comics because of Image as well. It just wasn't good for anyone but DC got out of it pretty well.

Wonder Woman don't look like this in the live action

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We storytime instead of waiting for trades after it's over or starting to read recently, so that's a big factor. It's easier to put up with a year or two of shit after you know it's over.

Reply: Unequivocally YES

considering that they just drove one of them into suicide you might be on to something

Didn't that one have several accusations, though?

>>Superior Spider-Man
Go fuck yourself Slott.

That Batgirl comic never fails to crack me up.

Its not just that a trans was butthurt about a *fertility* doctor "misgendering" when biological sex is kinda, you know, vital to their job. Its that they go on in the next panel of how strong they are as they run off to the ladies room to cry over a *word*.

So empowering!

Lurk more nigger cunt.