Villain redemption thread
Do you think villains should be redeemed? And if so, when?
Or do you think a villain should remain a villain?
Also, feel free to post examples of villain redemptions you liked, ones that you didn't, and ones you would like to see.
Megatron being redeemed had promise but it was all done offscreen in another universe
It was weird how fast he was forgiven by some of those autobots, especially after the shit he pulled in that continuity.
Stop using villain it sounds way too dramatic, antagonist is a better word, anyways it depends on their ideals and beliefs, I don’t think someone should have their entire world view changed within a matter of minutes just because someone said “MUH FRIENDSHIP” it should be a long process that makes the antagonist think about what they’ve done
>Stop using villain it sounds way too dramatic
Well, a lot of villains are pretty dramatic hams
Believe In Steven
That’s true but it also makes you seem like a goody goody with a black and white viewpoint when you call someone a villain
C'mon, nuStar Wars, Let Obi Wan Kenobi have his crack apprentice/love-interest already.
I still can’t get over how ugly those uncorrupted gem designs are, probably the same person that designed Smokey
When the context is children's cartoons and comic books, rather than actual literature, or film, or real life, is it really something worth arguing about?
>Killed off in every adaptation
>No happy endings ever
I remember flipping through a Star Wars comic and seeing Ventress get headshot sniped by a MagnaGuard. Those dick-sucking lips going to waste, fucking sad.
Kys.
I'm a Christian so I'm a sucker for redemption but a good chunk of villains should stay bad
I figure cybertronians have such a long lifespan and have such ease shrugging off horrible injuries that they kind of just get perspective on it. Plus, he was proved correct beyond doubt by the Functionist universe’s actions/reality, must compute in some way.
I’m just surprised Prowl legit had him killed to appease other aliens.
It all depends. It also depends on many factors. Some villains work better by staying as villains and some get enough redeeming qualities that they become reformed over time.
Was never really arguing with you, just think antagonist is a better word to use when they have their own set of motives, Megatron wanted to overthrow what he believed to be a corrupt and oppressive government but he became power hungry in the process, but yeah for campy Saturday morning cartoon villains use the term as much as you like idc
Already on it
Prime did it best in Megatron's specific case. He received his comeuppance and death, only to be forcibly revived by Unicorn. He received a taste of what he'd been trying to inflict upon others and finally was humbled enough to realize the horror of his actions. So he gave it all up, truly defeated. He admitted to Optimus he had no more taste for war within him and went into exile for the rest of his days. And despite all the other things RiD fucked up, they kept that part intact. There were new Decepticon factions, but Megatron had nothing to do with them at all, and he honored his word.
An attempt at a true heroic turn for Megatron was interesting but it takes a LOT more work than how Prime did it, and IDW simply didn't put in the effort the take needed.
Kinda funny how much 'but where's Megatron' was there during RiD. But they committed.
Megatron being a warmongering tyrant for millions of years and then saying "oppression is bad :(" because Unicron controlled him for 5 minutes is by far the most retarded thing that shitty show has done
apparently there were REALLY early plans to have Megatron in RiD, but that never came to pass
I'm glad they had enough sense not to involve Megatron. Even if that meant Megatronus was created instead and quickly discarded.
Megatron in RiD might have been cool. I thought he’d be one of Optimus’ mysterious ‘friends’ helping him out with whatever fun things happened off screen in that show.
Clayface becoming good. It's my favorite thing they did with the character, Batmans whole shtick is that he doesn't kill because the criminals can become good. It's nice to see that it actually happens.
Yea. It also might have been neat to have him show up in the last episode, responding to Cyclonus' summons, only to reject them and fight alongside Bee and team. Maybe turn into the shield for their combined form.
As it stands though, it is neat to have a show wherein a character is repeatedly referenced, but never shows up.
Ask mlp about villain redemptions...except in the final episodes. They downright executed a child
Is it me or most women in Star Wars save for a few get utterly fucked in most media?
>Do you think villains should be redeemed?
No villain "should" be redeemed. What makes a villain redemption arc special is the very fact that it shouldn't happen. That it goes against the order of things, that dictates a villain has to stay a villain and do bad things. Even if fictional characters are redeemed from what would arguably be irredeemable in real life, it should never be remotely easy for the character to achieve it.
A villain's redemption has to take effort and time, has to have the villain fail and not give up, and it has to be something the villain earns, especially if he doesn't think he deserves it or will make it but keeps doing it anyway.
To me, this is what makes the difference between a good villain redemption arc and a bad one.
As for villains I think could be redeemed and would make for better stories that way, I'd say a good portion of Batman villains, especially Two-Face.
He's been redeemed a number of times already and neither one lasted very long, nor is likely to in the future.
I genuinely think the character has far more creative potential when he's not forced into playing at the villain's side, but instead gets to straddle several worlds and struggle to fit in any of them while doing his own thing. Someone who flips a coin to decide whether or not he robs a bank or donates to charity, someone who no one can trust and yet can be a powerful ally to anyone, and someone we genuinely want to see reformed. That's how he was in the Golden Age and a few times since then and I don't think that idea has been used enough.
I'd return to that, as well as explore the idea of him trying to pursue law again and dealing with the repercussions. Better Dial Dent
>start a revolution
>it unfolds into a full on civil war
>untold numbers die
>however it's literally proven that without you doing this Cybtertron would become so corrupt that it would rip a huge hole in the universe and destroy other ones
>if you hadn't revolutioned so hard then the spark of your past self would not have been replaced with a .1 percenter spark by vengeful time travelling nonsense and the rebellion may not have worked out
>right all along and the reason the universe is still running regardless of personal redemption
>allow yourself to be killed in the end even though it sparks appeasement tactics and results in your whole crew being depressed/dead/lost as their ship is taken away
>cloned into an alternate universe for a happy ending
What a wild story IDW Megatron had.
Villain redemption when done right is absolutely fantastic, though. Zuko is a character most people agree on enjoying the redemption of.
>Meanwhile Optimus got shat upon despite being basically as heroic as always
IDW was weird sometimes.
Unicron was far dumber.