The joker already critically acclaim

>DURR IF IT DIDN'T MAKE A GOYRILLION DOLLARS ITS A FLOP HUURRR

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''ill cut you like a fish!!!!

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Didnt Synder consult on Aquaman? Real question is how big would it be if they just got out of Zacks way.

What's a quotable line from BvS that isn't unintentionally funny/cringey?
Help me out here, brain-damaged Forgettable user.

It would be way worse

Snyder would have worked if it was a standalone thing. Building the whole DC universe around Snyder's ideas was a huge mistake, especially considering he was doing old guy Bats and killing Superman after barely introducing him.

It was a "success" because it fit the times of a "strong" woman character. The actual movie was shit.

Stop being the most easily baited idiot on all of Yea Forums.
Pls.

Why do you think the cringy BvS was unintentional?

Eh, only the 3rd half. The rest was just like a average MCU movie

And the most famous line from BvS isn't even edgy, just corny as fuck, namely, "Why did you say that name?!" (Well, except, "Tell me, do you bleed?" which actually was edgy.)

Good old Ladderbro, never giving up the fight.

Don't forget MARTHA!!!!

I can't think of a single MCU movie as bad as Wonder Woman except The Incredible Hulk. But I didn't see Captain Marvel so I may be wrong.

>i was only pretending to be retarded

Thors, Dr Strange, Iron 1 and 2, avengers aou.

Aww did you get your Joker thread delet again?
w/b

>Iron Man
>as bad as Wonder Woman
I got a laff.

>Wonder Woman
“Where I come from generals don’t hide in their offices like cowards! They fight alongside their soldiers, they die with them!”
>Aquaman
“Are you the fish boy from on the news?”
“It’s Fish man.”
>Shazam
“Primitive simples. You walking, talking monkeys with your cave drawings. You assume there’s only one way to gain magic. No, no, no. There are more ways than a mind can imagine.”

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Will we ever see a good Superman story again? Nowadays it seems like people find much more success subverting Superman (from Injustice to The Boys) than playing him straight. I miss shit like All-Star Superman.

I mainly blame the confused and rushed misdirection the DCEU took. That and they relied way too much on Snyder. Like Snyder has potential he clearly has a vision, but to carry an entire franchise? That is asking way too much.
WB really wanted that Avengers money while completely butchering what made the Avengers the big event to begin with.
But now that DC is distancing themselves from the MCU route they attempted to emulate, they should keep going at it.

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JL bombing doomed the DCEU as a shared universe so thanks to him WB greenlighted something like the Joker and the new Batman looks promising too.

Literally no one remembers these lines, including you, who had to look them up.
And they are still unmemorable lines.

I pirated the extended cut of BvS, and it was miles better than what they showed in the theatrical release.

>including you, who had to look them up.
Prove it, faggot.

The Room had more quotable lines than the entirety of DCEU, that doesn't make it better.

>he clearly has a vision
Snyder's vision was "I will be bigger than Bay and Lucas put together".
And he was willing to take studio money to make big pretentious movies in a genre he didn't like to make it happen.

This is a person who, when asked about his favorite comic, went on about the Star Wars movies.

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Even the solo antman and dr stange films?

>Other directors are playing safe
Critics are calling Joker DC most unique movie so far and "something completelly new to the genre"

Its a remake of a film from 1982. Not sorta-a-remake, but a reemake with an added "costume".
And even if it WERE in the genre, it was beaten by Super and Defendor and the like.
>But critics aren't being shills when they are praising my mobies!"

>Critics are calling Joker DC most unique movie so far and "something completelly new to the genre"
To be fair there aren’t many villain-centered movies to choose from.

>Joker pretty much prove being dark was never the problem. It was always Snyder.
Joker is a dark character. So is Batman. If you look back objectively at the reception for BvS, you will see that outside of the "MARTHA" climax, people enjoyed Snyder's Batman.

The problem with Snyder's DCU was that he made SUPERMAN dark too. They took everything too seriously. The destruction of Metropolis was handled poorly. Superman's reaction to the destruction of Metropolis was handled poorly. BvS should have been mostly a Batman/Superman teamup movie. But instead it was a subversion of the idea. Most of the movie involved Batman being pushed to murder Superman.

This isn't even WB's first one in the last 5 years.

Well he tried atleast with Justice Leauge. But due to all the dumb shit WB tried to do and the backlash against BvS, he ended up leaving and Joss Whedon(The same guy behind the first Avengers movie I mind you) ended up being the director. Which somehow made the movie worse. So make of that of what you will. But in fairness the movie was like 70% complete if I remember correctly so there wasnt much Whedon could "fix"

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That one scene in Wonder Woman where she walks out of the trench into gunfire is better than any moment in the MCU.

Yeah, Batman was kinda neat for the 5 minutes before he was fucking with Superman, but shit for the remainder of the movie when he's obsessed with fucking with Superman.
Good point.

We don't know that JUSTice League is a worse anything.
You merely feel that it is.

The business office

>ONE line
>Shazam
Lightning with my hands
Your finest beer
The business office
You need it more than I do
Suitcase wedgie
Are you gonna call your fake family
You're a disabled foster kid, you have everything
Say my name. BILLY!
Are you doing a villain monologue

I mean, I understand if you hate Shazam, but it was great.

>BvS
>Killed Superman on his second movie and the chances to become as big as the mcu
>Martha
>Made capeshit consolewars 10 times more retarded to the point of driving some fanboys insane
>Scared the audience so bad JL opened below Man of steel
Everybody lost, user.

There's a part of me that really hopes Joker is terrible and fails. Obviously I would rather have a good movie. But I miss the heady times of the BvS release.

>but shit for the remainder of the movie
After Batman fucks with Superman and snaps out of his Snydertrance, he goes to rescue Martha Kent in one of the best sequences of the movie. If the rest of the movie was like that, it would have been amazing.

A Stuntman/CGI fight scene does not equal a great performance.

Remember, for as much as I HATE Snyder, it wasn't just him, it was WB themselves too. Maybe if they had different executives, the whole thing wouldn't have been FUBAR right from the get go, although I'd imagine putting someone other than Snyder in charge would've helped at least.

I fucking hope. I'm so sick and tired of this 'evil Superman' bullshit. Just give me the real fucking deal already.

It was insane. People weren't aware twatter reactions from fans means shit so they were expecting the second coming, then like 10 threads in a row full of shitposting.

>How big would the DCEU be if it wasn’t for Zack Snyder?
Unironiclly bigger than MCU and with actually good movies.
I mean, even with DC reputation being constantly trashed FOR YEARS by "geeks", mouseshills and brainwashed average joes, DC movies still make tons of money.
I mean, Just IMAGINE how much money JL and Final Crisis would make if even trashed DC movies makes sometimes more than most marvel ones.

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What a very stupid comparison that totally ignores context.

>For instance: quote ONE line from Wonder Woman without searching for it. Quote ONE line from Aquaman or Shazam!

>Wonder Woman:
"SHIELD!"
"No...but it's what I'm going to do."
"As magnificent as you are, you are still no match for me."

>Aquaman:
"I'm going to gut you like the fish you are."
"You wield our mother's trident. Powerful but flawed, like her. I wield my father's...and it has never known defeat!"
"What could be more powerful than a king?"
"A hero."

>Shazam:
"Say my name."
"Billy!"
"No, say the name that I say to turn into this guy!"
(beat)
"SHAZAM!"

Now name a line from MoS or BvS that was legitimately good or memorable without being ironically or unintentionally so that also wasn't just lifted from a comic.

No one played safer than Snyder, he literally copied Michael Bay style.

> Superman is not a dark character, so why write he like he is?
They didn't.
They wrote him appropriately like he is a beacon of hope in a dark flawed world instead of being a flashlight on a bright sunny beach.
They just took it too far and made him too dour in Bvs.

Context right there in my post, retard. Marvel "movies" are constantly praised by cuckritics and mouseshills and yet make less money than underdog movies of company with constantly trashed rep.

>Other directors are playing safe
that's literally why the mcu is so successful.

> No one played safer than Snyder, he literally copied Michael Bay style.
Fucking horseshit.
Everything Bay does wrong Snyder did right.
- Gave his females stuff to do besides being helpless and glamorized like Bay. Gave Lois her own sub plots and competence.
- No notable gross bathroom humor like Bay.
- Cut down on slow mo in Mos and Bvs.
- Built up to the action for like 40 minutes in both films instead of blindly jumping into it with no time with the characters.
- Had some military stuff thrown in but none of that Jockish/Jarhead crap Bay does.
- Minus the kiss, romance wasn't shoehorned or dragged out like say Pearl Harbor.

You're comparing the first 6 movies of a franchise that started the whole cinematic universe fad vs the first 6 movies of a franchise that started right in the middle of the fad. People were more receptive to JL because of the success of the Avengers. Shit it was why I was so excited for the DCEU in the first place. I don't know if you're genuinely too stupid to see this or are just ignoring it.

Not only that but that's also bullshit when Aquaman did anything BUT play it safe. Maybe when you look at it as a more traditional superhero film with a Marvel-esque brighter, lighter tone. But it also took one of the most unpopular superheroes in the mainstream, and played everything about the character and his surrounding world completely straight when just a few years ago, Aquaman was a frequent joke. They even gave Aquaman his classic comic book costume for fucks' sake. That's pretty amazing and risky to be honest.

> Snyder was building his own thing, based on the edgiest version possible
Your genuinely fucking delusional.
Nothing about Mos or Bvs was edgy besides Killing Jimmy.

Your describing shit like Ultimatum/Nemesis, what we got was akin to Ultimates 1-2 (minus murderpym or cannibal Hulk level shockvalue) or Earth One.

Well considering Incredible Hulk wasn't bad at all and it's only flaw was having a kinda weak final battle that means WW wasn't bad either.

I disagree, Superman was killing people and threatening them with death and dismemberment. Batman was killing people branding them so they could get killed in jail.

We barely see Superman helping people except for a very poorly done montage that seems more designed to make humanity seem pitiful and Superman tired than it does help Superman come off as the boy-scout he should be.

Snyder himself said that he hated DC and Marvel comics because he grew up on heavy metal and 2000AD, and he was bored by it because no one was getting raped, they were trying to avoid killing people, and there wasn't enough blood and gore.

>Tries to take a risk
>Doesn't play it safe
>Has an artistic vision for his universe
Yeah, Fuck Zack Snyder

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> doctor strange, avengers aou
Both are fucking great.
There is nothing wrong with Ultron besides him not bring menacing enough.

>Post avengers movies with more recognizable feces
Imagine having the time to make a brainless chart. Also my sides at everyone forgetting Ayer.

The only risky thing on aquaman was the costume but you need to give credit for that to the costume department of dc, they are really good

Thing is that DC movies came well after Marvel had started the ball rolling. Besides TDK trilogy and Superman Returns there were no DC films in theaters. It would be a better example of showing the Marvel movie that came out closest to Aquaman and work backwards than doing the first 5 of each.

DC was jet-streaming Marvel hard, and still lost to the same Marvel movies that came out around that time.

> The problem with Snyder's DCU was that he made SUPERMAN dark too
No he didn't. He made the world around Superman dark so Superman would actually have something to fix and give help to.

>making an Aquaman movie that's accurate to the source material to begin with
>arguably going all out with the crazy comic book weird shit, with shit that was basically Dinosaur Island
>accurately adapted Aquaman, Mera, and Ocean Master's traditional looks (Black Manta's as well but that's less risky imo)
>had no problem with the villains straight up using their supervillain names
Get fucked

>Completely ignores the things that make the character.
>Has terrible decisions by the characters.
>Literally nightmare fuel provided by the main HERO and his father.
>Whole premise is based on people making the worse decisions possible and being as dumb as possible.
>banks on character recognition to let it get away with lack of character development.

If it barely scratches what a rival company can do, it certainly isn't a success.

>Joker pretty much prove being dark was never the problem. It was always Snyder.
Dark Knight Trilogy already proved that much earlier.

Shut up tripfag

The thing is that the MCU started off with B and D-listers, characters that were far less prominent in the public's than say Superman, Batman, or the X-Men, it also facilitated the environment where comic book movies were the "in" thing on global cinematic scale. DC started from the jump with its A-listers, coming off with the hope that Nolan's success with the Batman series would help springboard that interest in the DCEU, on top of entering an already fertile field tilled by the MCU that allowed comic book movies to be much more successful than they generally were in the past.

If the DCEU started at the same time as the MCU, the comparison would have a lot more bearing.

''Gather the mutts''
Jesus Raimi

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The fuck is that risky? You see similar shit in a fantasy movie and jokes aside people knew who Aquaman was. Jason momoa helped a lot too.

> Superman was killing people
Killing a single villain to save 8 billion lives isn't dark.

> and threatening them with death and dismemberment
Just Lex who just tossed the love of his life off a roof and who murdered a Senate full of people.

Main comic universe Superman threatens people all the time. He once threatened to rip Silver Banshee's head off when he found her with tons of dead bodies lined up in the streets and he threatened to shove a gun up a robbers ass if he fired at him and it deflected into another passenger.

> We barely see Superman helping people
That's all he does in Mos from the bus, to the oil rig to Lois in the ice, to the billions he saves by stopping the world engine/zod.

> except for a very poorly done montage that seems more designed to make humanity seem pitiful
No its meant to make then seem conflicted and naturally having a massive mix of reactions to Superman like they would in the real fucking world.

> and Superman tired
Not tired of saving people, just tired of the negative reactions to him saving people.
You see him fully smiling when rescuing the Mexican girl until they start "worshiping" him and then he becomes uncomfortable rightfully.

> than it does help Superman come off as the boy-scout he should be.
Not every god damn version of Superman needs to be that. We can have just normal played straight humanized superhero versions of Superman who aren't silly or naively childish.

> Snyder himself said that he hated
He never fucking said he hated them just that he didn't grow up with them.

>You see similar shit in a fantasy movie and jokes aside people knew who Aquaman was.

Yeah, Aquaman wasn't some out-of-nowhere character for the public, he was very well known, he was just seen as generic whitebread "Lame Talks to Fish Man" with a dorky haircut. I'm not sure about Mamoa helping, though, wasn't he the lead in that Conan movie that flopped terribly?

>You see similar shit in a fantasy movie
Good thing Aquaman was a superhero movie. Also, I'd argue that it doubled down on the comic book weirdness more so than most Marvel movies even.

>he was just seen as generic whitebread "Lame Talks to Fish Man" with a dorky haircut.
Nigga, do you not see the problem when that's the general consensus on the character among the public consciousness? That was what literally every normie thought about Aquaman. Do you not see how pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into a movie about a character the general public hated might be seen as a risk?

Seeth more, it failed to impress anyone. Oh look they gotta go the (((prequel))) route for the soon-to-flop second helping of this turd.

It's not, because the way they depicted Jason Mamoa's Aquaman was far different than what the prevailing public perception of Aquaman has been for decades. Instead of being some whitebread dolphin-fucking lameoid, he was a swarthy, long-haired, exotic-looking man with a fierce face and "badass" demeanor that also knew how to just be "one of the guys" when the situation called for it, so no, it wasn't a risk, it was WB adapting the character to not be audience-repellent.

Ironman and Hulk killed thousands of innocents by creating Ultron. They weren't even judged for that not even talking about court and jail.

Suck more mousecock, ladderfag

No, he actually said he didn't like them and found them boring compared to Heavy Metal and 2000AD

FROM OCEAN TO OCEAN, SEA TO SEA

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Keep seething. It couldn't even GROSS half a billion with over 150 million in expense . Its only 25% better in domestic gross than Batman and Robin. You're literally BTFO in every way.

Honestly it's nice to see DC starting to put out some decent material. When they win, we all do. Fuck that company wars shit. I don't own stock in either one of them.

>Gave Lois her own sub plots and competence.
Get me drunk and I can go on a long long speech about how all Lois was doing was spinning plates to look busy to fool people like you into thinking she had a purpose in the film besides being Clark's morality pet.

>Muh seething

G-Guys, i watched Justice League and it was fun movie, what to do?
NOT TROLLING.

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I don't own stock either but I also don't like it when MCU gets away with shenanigans that any other production company would get called out on. They aren't excluded from criticism.

Is money the only thing you company warriors care about?

I posted this in the thread on Homelander and I'll repeat it here:

I didn't hate Man of steel or Batman v Superman. I saw what Snyder was trying to do there by showing how terrifying someone like Superman would be in real life and how people would react in different ways (like the "False God" graffiti on the statue or the other people bowing to him). I remember showing the BvS trailer to my nephew and he got it too.

Also, weren't the people complaining about MoS's darker tone also complaining in 2006 about how "dated" Superman Returns was because it's based on the "old" Christopher Reeves' films.

Pulled a disney and bought tickets.
It flopped,

Lucas was never a good director. Mans talent has always been his ability to pull together talent and get the best out of them and marketing.
As for Bay, he fucking wishes
If WB .any sense they'd have gotten Bay and not the discount Bay who's talent is in great set pieces that crystalize what people want in the character and from a movie

Hmm, got any source for that

LOL
Yeah....
Green Lantern and fuckign Jonah Hex.
That was their fucking DCEU.

Snyder is fine, and I kinda appreciate his vision, though I only liked BvS (not all of it, but enough to say I generally liked it very much). I think the problem was building the DC movieverse on top of it and spinning off it. They just should've given him a a character and let him stick to it, not give him everyone, especially so soon, before even establishing the basics.

What other metric is there for capeshit? Do you think any capeshit movies are going to be judged upon their artistic merit?

>Quote ONE line from Aquaman
>"Mera, in order to save Atlantis you need to get blacked by Manta"

IH had great final fight

"You killed innocent people. You ask the sea for mercy."
-Aquaman's big mistake

That's from the sequel, "Aquaman: Mera's First BBC"

Johns did a better job of this.
That's how crap Snyder was at it.

>Quote ONE line from Aquaman or Shazam!
>Ask the magic eight ball if you're man enough to throw me out.

No, Goyer was the problem. Snyder is a great director whose mastery of cinematography is unparalleled in mainstream superhero movies, but he hasn't had good scripts to work with. That's partly his fault, because he's such a visual thinker that he can't tell a good script from a bad one.

LIGHTING WITH MY HANDS

>but what if people do something new with these characters?
they just create new characters

>Quote ONE line from Aquaman
Something Something Trident

>look! I'm modeling in front of a green screen, with slo-mo, again
stupidest part of that shitty movie

It was such a great showoff of her bullet catching skills and strength. Then I watch the RottenTomatoes interview and it's a "deep empowering scene about how she's so brave heading into no man's land when everyone is hiding in the trenches"

>he goes to rescue Martha Kent in one of the best sequences of the movie.
the part when he shoots goon from a batplane alerting said goons with an hostage?
or the part when he kills the goons fighting like he is gorilla grodd?
or the part when the flamethrower explodes near Martha in a small room not killing everyone?
fucking shit

>Tries to take a risk
>Fails
>Angrily and violently lashes out at everyone and claims they just didn't understand his vision, and that it was better and more nuanced than any version of the characters that had come before
>Literally says out loud in front of a live audience that anyone who didn't like his films is a fucking loser.
Zack Snyder went insane user, you'll have to just accept it.

>Wrote him like a beacon of hope
>he has to watch his father die because he's told not to use his powers
>he destroys metropolis
>never smiles
>dies in the second movie
>gets resurrected in the third movie

Everything was a misstep from movie one, its a superman movie devoid of clark kent

>Steven Seagal tier lines
are these shitty lines supposed to be good or something?

Ironman and Hulk have traditionally been borderline antiheroes a lot of the time, Superman hasn't.

The part where he's Batman doing Batthings.
And yeah, faggot, those include:
>Using his tech to scan the warehouse
>Beating the shit out of thugs and murderers
>Showing off his detective skills to eventually fuck Supes' mom.
Martha was lusting after Batfleck's first robin after the rescue, user.

BvS followed by Justice League was so retarded. The impact of Superman dying in his second fucking movie made no sense. Compare to Civil War which, because the characters had been built up over years, had much more impact and people were curious about why Captain America and Iron Man were fighting.
Just follow the Marvel formula. They'd have an even easier time of it because they have characters with more recognition and acclaim. Start your franchise off with a new Batman movie with Robin, then have the ending hint at a Superman movie. Then do Superman and Wonder Woman next year. Year after that, Batman and the Flash. Dick Grayson leaves the movie. Year after that, Titans, Superman 2, etc. etc.
Just make Batman your touchstone for everything and have him be the one linking it all together. It could've so easily worked. What DC didn't get is that what really would have been a fresh air would have simply been movies that reminded people why they used to love superheroes - because they were larger than life, mythical characters. DC can pull that off better than Marvel who instead strove to make their characters relatable. Making their movies about "le darkness" was such a critical mistake for DC.

ZS is like MB, but without the self awareness

I legitimately suspect that Zack Snyder is one of those stupid bastards that thought the Kill Bill speech was meant to be taken as fact.

stop watching capeshit

The only reason Justice League was worse was because they hired Whedon late in production to do a patch job on a ship that was already sinking. He had to use most of Snyder's footage which was probably as bad as BvS with the dark tone and try to turn it into something more in line with the Avengers so it creates a tonal whiplash along with the low-quality CGI in the reshoots. That's not to say Snyder's JL would have been better, just more consistent. They should have booted him right after BvS instead of trying to fix his mess with 3/4ths of the movie finished.

>nuking from above,killing goons, fighing everyone in the building instead of sneaking
>batthings
it's just another scene that only works in bit and pieces and if removed from the film. Typical ZS

>not Thor 2
You're fucking retarded lmao

>Also, weren't the people complaining about MoS's darker tone also complaining in 2006 about how "dated" Superman Returns was because it's based on the "old" Christopher Reeves' films.
They were dated, Reeves Superman while a cultural milestone for Superhero movies was something made in the 70s/80s and wouldn't really work if you tried to recreate it two decades later. Superman needed a new vision/direction but Snyder went into the opposite extreme and tried to create a Superman that shat on everything he stood for.

At the same level of MCU meme quotes?

Bigger than the MCU by a significant margin.

If it does big box office this will be for sure Robert P Batman universe sperate from the sinking DCEU?

>Batman is a billion dollar franchise on his own
>people hype for new take on him
>somehow make a movie so shitty that it doesn't make a bil and make people unhype for a Justice lleague movie

Snyder was a such a faggot, man.

Bay>>>>>>Snyder

Bay would've given us a overly patriotic Superman, a Bro-tier Batman with CGI power armor, and a porn star Wonder Woman.

>At the same level of MCU meme quotes?
yeah, the same moronic shit

way better than what we got
yes, for all three of them

In the comics, Joker is a legacy character. There is more than one.

I never said I thought it'd be a bad thing.

oh nice it's another "DCucks have literally nothing to talk about other than some hack director who hasn't been involved with DC in like 5 years and their shitty cartoons from the 90s because that's literally the only two times anyone ever gave a fuck about their shitty company" thread

Haven't seen one of these since like yesterday

Steppenwolf won

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>marvel trying to scramble replacements for spider-man after sony say no to the greedy deal
>dc slowly getting his thunder and winning

what's your superpower
i make superkino

Yeah, finally us DChads will be back on to-

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> Primitive beings

> Pedophilia in a fucking capeshit movie?

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Mega yikes

Johns is a good writer you memeing fuck.

You fucking faggot, you made me investigate this. It's not even actual pedophilia, it's just people acting irrational over the retarded dick pic plot. I hope someone you love dies.

He's about 50/50.
His Teen Titans run is what made me stop paying for comics.

Snyder is a weirdo Libertarian so the idea of Superman offends him.
Its why he got to be M U R D E R M A N and had that dumb scene where he "sacrificed" his identity and Pa Kent to be super.

Only if you're a diehard Johnstard.