I'm disappointed by magic comics. I want to find a comic that goes into magical METAPHYSICS...

You're wrong.

probably not metaphysics, but what about Artemis Fowl? Also, what comics have you found that come close to what you want?

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Kingkiller Chronicles has a bunch of magic system wank. In fact, nearly a full book dedicated to it.

ok

it's a very generic concept. you can't trademark a magic kid in glasses

>you can't trademark
That's not what defines plagiarism.

With a white owl familiar?

Who is "le chosen one"?

Who is surprised to learn he's a wizard?

This is blatant copyright infringement. Rowling should've been buried for this, but somehow got away with it.

Not many. Like I said, Doctor Strange is about it, because it's one of the very few that even discusses where their fucking powers even come from. Honestly, RPG manuals go into more depth than comics ever do. And another problem is that most of the comics about magic are made by about three people who are all dumbass hermeticists who know fuck all about magic.

the invisibles is 99% just silly explanations about how magic works.
hellblazer, depending on whos writing, sometimes has stuff like that as well.

See: Grant Morrison is very much one of the morons I was talking about. Constantine's magic is either unexplained or essentially also hermeticist "a demon dun it" "magic has a price" bullshit.

Brandon Sanderson likes hard rules magic, but he usually does books not comics. White Sand is a graphic novel based on a world from his Cosmere series, so there's that. See

I'm not sure what kind of explanation you want then, want to clarify?

Literally anything other than "spirits give me magic powers" "muh chaos bullshit". Christ, real life has more magical systems than that. I expect more from fantasy than toilet-brained level /x/ shit.

not sure what you mean by "muh chaos bullshit". how do you feel about lucifer?

I mean I love dr strange but what the fuck? His magic system is basically “lemme invent this entity real quick to explain how he can do x”

His stories are pretty human driven as well, if OP wants hard magic systems and huge battles comics are not the best place to look at it. Sanderson, as much as his prose sucks, has what OP is looking for.

I was thinking this.

Like I get shit wizards like Zatanna and HP just saying a thing and it happening is boring, but Strange is on the Constantine level of a lot more mechanical but still pretty easy mode magic.

Wasn’t the latest issue of his ongoing dealing with demon plumbing? Definitely more human than metaphysics to me

Well, they're preexisting entities, but at least it's explained. Most comics don't explain at all. Take the Books of Magic. The metaphysics of how not-Harry can do anything are NEVER explained. He's just le ebin chosen one and that's that. Even his spell books are just magical artifacts that just grant him power.

As I said, tabletop manuals are much better, but even they tend to fail.

>I want to find a comic that goes into magical METAPHYSICS.

Promethea or The Invisibles.

>What makes it interesting in your opinion?

Great artwork, probably the best art in a western comic. It is also Alan Moore's attempt at transcribing traditional British High Magick (Golden Dawn school) into comic books.
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'Spirits give me power' is basically the basis of all real world magic beliefs though. Chaos magic is just a modern system which believes spirits are created by belief rather than preexisting entities.
I spent years in a weird phase of my life where I thought magic was real and I read all the actual text books, the best comics which cover magical metaphysics are the Invisibles and Promethea.

>British High Magick
You mean hebrew. British magic would not be anything like this. It would either be Roman, Celtic or some other tribe's magic.

No it isn't, and that shows what you know.

>Chaos magic
Isn't a thing. It's just confirmation bias.

>the best comics which cover magical metaphysics are the Invisibles and Promethea.
For hermeticism, which is why I'm sure they both suck. Grant Morrison is a drunkard and a fool. Alan Moore is a retard.

Once again, I've gotten the answers I already knew I would. Humans are a lost species. Good thing you're coming to an end.

I'm really confused. If what you term hermeticism isn't magic(k?), then what do you consider magic?

Which Doctor Strange run are you referring to? I've read a few and their takes on magic tend to vary.

Probably only find what you're looking for in literature where such explanations can be given. Similar to hard science fiction. All I can offer is the words-only story Ra by Sam Hughes. Otherwise, hijacking therad for magic-related comics with even a little explanation, maybe the Gaia webcomic?

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Magic’s not real, virgin retard.

Not him but was there that much variation? They seem pretty consistent with having most of his magic coming from higher entities, and the weaker/simpler spells being drawn from his own reserves

In one run, magic was shown to have a sort of immediate and debilitating price on Stephen's health, which, iirc, he sometimes siphoned off into something else which eventually became Mr. Misery. In another run, magic throughout the universe just started running out, with little explanation, and all the sorcerers were up against an invading force of ultra sci-fi people called the Empirikuul, because subtlety is a lost art. The most recent run has him just straight up losing his magic as an excuse to get him into space, and later, he starts literally forging his own spells.

It's not that it varies much, now that I think about it, but the way it does vary really bothers me.

This. I'm finding reading through this thread a bit frustrating because OP is doing such a poor job articulating what he wants. All he seems to be able to communicate is a sort of petulant anger and "None of the things I'm being recommended meet my standards known only to me."

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How would you feel about a comic that shows dark fantasy from a medical perspective. Like, it gives medical explanations for vampirism, curses and possession are treated like diseases, and the protagonist is a doctor and his sidekick is an EMT.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_Doctor_(comics)

seconding Brandon Sanderson even though he's not Yea Forums. He doesn't just have magic systems, he has a meta-magic system for those magic systems to crossover and interact with each other.

His actual writing isn't amazing, but it makes for good audiobook listening.

It's so odd because he clearly knows more than the layman about the occult, enough to form opinions about hermeticism, chaos magick, and so on. But he can't seem to communicate what exactly magical metaphysics are.

Also, isn't metaphysics a branch of philosophy? How does magic even change that?

Garbage taste, OP.

Metaphysics is everything that can't be described by physics, including both supernatural stuff and things that are classed as pseudoscience because the theory behind them makes no testable predictions. Telepathy, reincarnation, multiverse theory, and just what happens beyond a black hole's singularity are all, at present, metaphysics .

Remember that philosophy is just trying to figure things out. What we call scientists were at one point called "natural philosophers" because they were trying to figure out the natural world

Don't worry, Aaron bullshit bothers me too, so I just ignore it

About the forging thing, he's not forging his own spells per say but more like making items to channel energies of entities, so it's still coming from up there. I'm a bit more cautious on magic irs, but it doesn't contradict with anything and it's a worthwhile concept to be explored. How it might be explored by numerous writers is more worrisome

For DC
Immortal Doctor Fate
Ostrander's The Spectre
Paul Cornell's Demon Knights
Morrison's Kid Eternity and I would recommend Seven Soldiers, the Zatanna parts are great
Mike Carey's Lucifer

For Marvel
Captain Britain both Alan Moore's and Paul Cornell's
Warren Ellis' Druid and Hellstorm
for Dr Strange Roger Stern is peak kino followed by Ditko and Englehart. You might want to read The Oath, it's a mini series. Triumph & Torment is a Doom team up worth reading and there's Marvel Fanfare #5

Other publishers
Hellboy
Aleister and Adolf by Douglas Rushkoff and Michael Avon Oeming
Black Magick by Greg Rucka

If it doesnt exist you are the only one who can make it exist