Ultimate Spider-Man

because he wrote Ultimate Spider-man, Alias, Powers, and New Avengers

>Daredevil
>Alias
>Powers
>New Avengers
>good
Ultimate Spider-Man is his only good book

Attached: 1565684962283.jpg (200x176, 5K)

>why are supposed to hate this guy again?
Your own pic has the answer, right behind his melon head.

I'm not sure how a gritty true crime series and a mainline popcorn superhero series compare with each other but feel free to shit on me regardless.

>Bendis Daredevil
>bad
Contrarianism

Alias and Powers are good, Ult Spider-Man is mediocre.

Bendis dialogue.

New Avengers was absolute trash. Bendis should've died from that infection.

Miles Morales is honestly one of the most boring characters in Marvel and required other writers and iterations to salvage him.

>to salvage him.
He's even worse now than he was under Bendis, he lost the very little personality he had in his original run and now is a 100% blank page without personality.

Say what you will about the man, but his Daredevil was fucking fantastic, and I think the only people who shit on it either haven't read it or are trying to fit in.

You didn't read the best thing he's ever done and your baseline for quality Bendis comics is the start of his degradation into writing nothing but terrible superhero comics. Check out some real goddamn popcorn comics for god's sake. Stuff written by people who gave a shit. Kirby, Steranko, Miller, Morrison's JLA, Claremont's X-Men. Even Whedon's X-Men would be a better choice than anything Bendis has done for over a decade.

Describe Miles' personality to me.

>Kirby, Steranko, Miller, Morrison's JLA, Claremont's X-Men. Even Whedon's X-Men would be a better choice than anything Bendis has done for over a decade.
Read all that stuff, and like all that stuff. I still like New Avengers. I've never subscribed to this attitude that art "competes" with other art, or can take away from other art. I like as much as I want to.

His Daredevil wasn't good at all. Just because you like trash doesn't make me a contrarian
Alias and Powers was just Bendis dragging everything down to barebones street level and his Bendis speak was at its worse in both

Bendis dialogue?

>2000
>2001
>2001
>2000
>2005

I wonder what could have happened in the intervening 14 years (18 if you remove New Avengers, which was pretty fucking mediocre)

For me, it's his obnoxious and shitty style of ping-pong dialogue and his arrogance when it comes to things like continuity, characters, and crossovers. This user pretty much nails it with some of his points.

Hey genius those are the dates the comics debuted, not ended.

All of them, or Bendis's runs with them, ended in the mid-2000s.

Ultimate Peter didn't die until 2011

Yeah man.
.
.
.
Bendis.
Bendis dialogue.

The comic died long before that. Everything people remember being good about Bendis will be old enough to drink soon.

Ok contrarian

What was the last good issue?

It's less competition and more that there are masterworks and there is dross, and a lot of stuff in between. And that theoretically by consuming the good stuff you should, by previous experience, be able to separate and sift the good from bad. And you are putting something objectively pretty bad on a par with the good.

Enjoy what you like but there's a reason some people are defending a few of your choices and no one is defending New Avengers.

Because....
>Avengers Disassembled
>AvX
>All New X-Men
>Civil War 2
>Thanos Killing mussels
>Ironheart
>Guardians of the BLAM, murdered you
>Klyntar
>Which boy? Who boy? Me boy?
>Ultimate End
>Defenders
>Age Of Ultron

Also contrarian implies that people actually like that trash

>>Age Of Ultron

I liked this one.

>>Ultimate Spider-Man
>>Alias
>>Powers
>>New Avengers
That's why youre supposed to hate this guy

Other than your use of the word "objectively" thank you for the reasonable response. And I agree that on that list New Avengers is easily the weakest of them. It certainly wasn't good all the way through. I did enjoy it when It was enjoyable, though.

He derailed cosmic Marvel that had been built up over a decade because now it was in movies it was popular so he could shit all over Guardians.

Attached: N7OXfyI.jpg (1960x1810, 519K)

>You're supposed to hate him because he wrote 3 good comics and New Avengers
??????

DnA's saga had been finished for a few years before the Guardians relaunch. Heck, without the movies spreading awareness there's a chance we never would have gotten new Guardian comics at all. If the Bendis run bothers you that much just pretend it never existed, but those comics were dead in the water otherwise.

Why? The only good thing to come from it was Angela, which was promptly wasted on Bendis until Aaron wrote her Original Sin issues with Thor and Loki. Age of Ultron was just a dumb fucking mess like nearly all of Bendis comics

164

The only reason why Bendis wanted to write that comic though was because it had a movie coming out, I’m sure Marvel would have pushed that project onto someone with more talent, but that greedy ducking gnome just decided to take it, run it into the fucking ground, and then get Agent Venom cancled because he wanted to add Venom to the GotG and “It would confuse my readers to see Venom in space while still being on earth, that doesn’t make any sense.” Seriously man, fuck that guy

No, he wrote one good comic. Daredevil.

>Agent Venom cancled because he wanted to add Venom to the GotG
I mean, the last issue of Agent Venom was #139 in sales the month it came out, so it was going to happen anyways. And that title went to shit long before because Remender left Marvel to go make his millions at Image.

>but those comics were dead in the water otherwise.
They were dead without Bendis? Really? Christ.

>If the Bendis run bothers you that much just pretend it never existed
Eh, I love how whenever someone criticises something on a discussion board people think that they are overworrying about what is or isn't canon.

DnA built up a saga over years, basically reinventing and revitialising that WHOLE aspect of Marvel. Without their work, do you think Guardians would have had a movie? Do you think Marvel would have had those things to use?

Then Bendis jumps onto it, basically completely changes everything pre established as a big fuck you to people and writes an absolute garbage book.

New readers wanting to jump into comics via the new movie got to read that garbage.

>Eh, I love how whenever someone criticises something on a discussion board people think that they are overworrying about what is or isn't canon.
Way to miss the point. The DnA saga ended in 2011. The Bendis relaunch was in 2013. Those comics were dead for 2 years, and if the movies never happened, they would have stayed dead.
>muh movie synergy
Would have happened anyways. The movie versions of those characters became more famous and successful than any comic book variation and if you want to blame any single person for that it's James Gunn.

I know it's easy to blame one man for all this but the fact is there are many variables at play and often the name on the cover is just the messenger.

>Those comics were dead for 2 years, and if the movies never happened, they would have stayed dead.
They wouldn't have stayed dead.

I never complained about movie synergy at all.... don't strawman. The movie was great. The problem was the book was garbage. And the book being garbage had nothing to do with the movie and everything to do with Bendis.

>They wouldn't have stayed dead.
What makes you say this?
>don't strawman
You're right, my bad. I just saw some people ITT complain about movie synergy and thought you may have been one of them, but that wasn't fair of me.

>Also contrarian implies that people actually like that trash
Plenty of people do. Not him but you're going out of your way to deny reality here, and I am no fan of Bendis.
>Those comics were dead for 2 years, and if the movies never happened, they would have stayed dead.
This is a lie. Gunn made DnA actually come out of retirement to write Guardians 3000, had Marvel actually tried on their own they would've written GOTG again, a whole new saga. It's presumptuous to say that without Bendis they wouldn't have gone anywhere, because Bendis himself did nothing with the brand. It sold pretty well (in fact it's the best selling run to date), but it's also the emptiest, most superfluous run that indeed can be thoroughly skipped without missing a beat.

>Blam! Murdered you
Has there ever been a more cringe inducing catch phrase that someone tried to force to be a thing? Wubba Lubba Dub Dub was close, but even that was trying to take the piss out of itself in the very next episode...that was the only fucking thing Rocket said during every moment of action

>Gunn made DnA actually come out of retirement to write Guardians 3000
Doesn't that prove the point that the movie revived the franchise? The movie was announced at 2012 Comic con. Guardians 3000 came out in 2014.
And yes I agree with your last point. Bear in mind I am not making any sort of comment on Bendis Guardians's quality, simply arguing that economic factors are what cause these things to go away and reappear. Marvel doesn't publish comics out of the goodness of their hearts.

Attached: tumblr_nbdqiwOBhM1tob7k5o1_1280 (1).png (877x758, 1.21M)

>Doesn't that prove the point that the movie revived the franchise?
Their saga was over. And they didn't start a new series because the movie was coming out. The movie didn't "renew" anything. It actually caused them to take a break.

Marvel have done this before with various properties. The 90s Spider-Man cartoon couldn't use Sandman/Electro because James Cameron wanted to use him in a movie which was never made. Eventually they used Electro but they never got around to using Sandman.

>Doesn't that prove the point that the movie revived the franchise? The movie was announced at 2012 Comic con. Guardians 3000 came out in 2014.
It did, but I wouldn't go as far as to claim it was "dead in the water" considering the actual driving force behind Marvel Cosmic wasn't the main GOTG book but the books surrounding the brand (Nova, Annihilation Conquest, War of Kings/Realm of Kings, Thanos Imperative etc), which comprise a larger body of work.
Fantastic Four also had a long term hiatus after Hickman but this wasn't simply because they didn't have the rights to it, even if that's what Hickman claimed was the case. In fact I'd say it was his own fame that got the book shelved, and I bet it will happen once Aaron leaves Thor, no one will want to touch it right away.

It's things like these that reinforce my decision not to touch Bendis' GOTG with a ten foot pole.

>and I bet it will happen once Aaron leaves Thor, no one will want to touch it right away.
Cates is basically begging to be the next Thor guy.

>Plenty of people do. Not him but you're going out of your way to deny reality here, and I am no fan of Bendis
Plenty of people like his Guardians run but that doesn't make you a conttarian for not. Just because other people don't doesn't mean anything

Fair and measured posts, anons, so much so that I don't really have a bone to pick with either nor do I feel like arguing any more. Thank you for this discussion.

He is, and I bet he's the runner up for the ticket (even if Ewing is helping out Aaron with Valkyrie), but I wouldn't bet on him jumping right away onto the book once Aaron leaves, they'll likely let it simmer to avoid direct comparisons. Plus I assume he would want to wrap up Guardians first, given that he's doing NOTHING with the book either (and this is funny because he's the second best seller in the series, and it's like a Bendis sequel).

>young justice
>good

>but I wouldn't bet on him jumping right away onto the book once Aaron leaves
Well King Thor is going to be 4 issues so that's at least 4 months of bought time (let's say 5 with delays).

Honestly death for Peter was a preferable alternative to putting up with any more of Slott's shit

Thank god Slott is gone and we have Spencer, now Spider-Man can feel like utbwas before Civil War 1

Attached: image.jpg (1242x1865, 2.3M)

>Plenty of people like his Guardians run but that doesn't make you a conttarian for not.
True, but I think it's also because it's the most famous given the sales and the period of publishing... The DnA Cosmic Saga is largely out of print, barely last year they reprinted Annihilation as two volumes and this year they'll reprint the omnibus (last year they reprinted Nova too), while every other book is in low numbers.
Meanwhile go to Amazon or any other online reseller and you can find multiple volumes of Bendis' run, fully stocked and even discounted. The guy made a brand out of his name (which is why we have this thread in first place), and this also comes with the benefit of having his books become first recommendations whether they're good or not.

And give Bendis' shit OC the spotlight in 616?

While Bendis' guardians is undeniably trash that page was written by Humpries actually

Bendis opened the garbage door. And people followed.

You mean dialogue from Bendis?

Bendis? The comic book writer?

You're pretty much saying that it's better to spite Bendis and keep Peter alive as a retarded, autistic, incompetent manchild with nothing going for him rather than just letting him die.
Slott's gone now of course but at the time it probably would have been better to kill Peter off and get him away from Dan. He would've been revived eventually anyways.

>Ultimate Spider-Man
>Alias
>Powers
>New Avengers
Good

Attached: 1566313484277.jpg (600x600, 63K)

Ultimate spider-man is baisically the dragon ball abridged version of spider-man, it’s good when you’re a teen but then you actually read the manga and realize it’s just constant reference humor whose only good points are completely reliant on the original work. It’s serviceable sure but it’s no where near actually good

At least mostly everyone agrees Daredevil is good. There is hope for Yea Forums

Batman Universe is a fun romp

look how they massacred my girl

Attached: Gwendolyne_Stacy_%28Earth-1610%29_and_Carnage_%28Symbiote%29_%28Earth-1610%29_from_Ultimate_Spider-M (778x1228, 241K)

I dunno, I'm reading through it for the first time as a 25 year old and I'm just having a blast. I know I like a comic when I finish and issue and just wanna get to the next issue. I'll sit down to read and 15 issues will blow by like it's nothing. It might not be a masterpiece but fuck me if it isn't entertaining as all hell. I'm at issue 91 right now

Brubaker's was better.

Anyone who says something like this either hasn't read Ultimate Spider-Man, hasn't read the original runs of ASM, or both. USM's versions of the stories it "takes" from have little to no resemblance to the actual story.

It absolutely was NOT. Brubaker's was just a worse version of Bendis and introduced stupid shit like Lady Bullseye and led into the incredibly bad Shadowland. Brubaker was fine on its own but reading it right after Bendis it felt pointless. At least Waid's run was a totally different tone and style.

>Brubaker's was just a worse version of Bendis
Lies

It was. They were both gritty street level crime comics except Brubaker's run was a lot less ambitious in storytelling and in artwork. I read Brubaker right after Bendis because that's the reading order and I couldn't wait to be finished with it, and I'm typically a huge fan of Brubaker. I really think he phoned in his Daredevil.

You’re 91 issues in over 7 years of publication, how much time has passed in the book? He’s got some nice moments but he has a pattern of doing something new and interesting that immediately ignoring it for a watered down version of old canon.

It also doesn’t have any heart, fucker spent a decade on the title and with the character and kills him at the literal drop of a hat. Niggas got no loyalty, last good thing bendis did would’ve been pre siege everything after just got worse and worse

>how much time has passed in the book?
I dunno, a year? Maybe two? I like that all of it takes place in high school. Everyone thinks of Spider-Man as a high schooler but he was only actually in high school for the first 30 issues or so of Amazing Spider-Man. It's nice to have a run that spends more time in that period.
>watered down version of old canon.
They're totally different stories, they aren't in competition with each other. I can read and enjoy ASM for reasons totally different from the ones I enjoy USM for.

I dunno what else to say other than I'm really enjoying it, and a lot more than I expected to.

All those comics are garbage and are among his best work

That's probably why

Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of Yea Forums are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

Holy crap. Is this Ottley? Mary Jane looks like Atom Eve and Peter looks like Mark. This is hilarious.

/Thread

Attached: benis.gif (419x237, 1.36M)

You Forgot Secret Invasion

Fpbp

Yeah, it’s Ottley, he’s one of the rotating artists on ASM right now, he did the first arc of Spencer’s run

>Ultimate Spider-Man
You know an user here pretty much summed up his run in a perfect sentence
>Everything good about Ultimate Spider-Man was not original, and everything original was not good

Bendis dialogue? You mean, words written by that writer, Bendis?

Yeah that’s the one. The guy who works for DC.

I thought he did the spider-guy. You know, the famous one that everyone loves more than the other spider-guy. Miles. That's the one everyone loves. That Bendis?

because none of those are any good

Based taste. That comic is solid as fuck, and derekson is a treasure.

It's funny how good King's Superman is and how good Bendis' Batman is, considering how bad they are when you switch them.

>why are supposed to hate this guy again?
What guy?
Which guy?
That guy?
Yeah, the guy.
You know the guy.
Bendis?
Bendis.
Ahh, Bendis.
Yeah, Bendis.
So why do we hate that Bendis guy?

>gee, I wonder

Wonder?

Yeah, wonder.

God, help me. But could bendis write a good ongoing Batman?

>bendis?
>yes, bendis. The comic writer

We're going to find out, he's probably getting the #1 relaunch after issue #100

New Avengers started off fine enough, it's around the time Secret Invasion happened that things went downhill.

At least that gave us Dark Reign, which was fun