Soul, souless
Soul, souless
Connor Hall
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Jackson Allen
Is this Producing Parker?
Carter Phillips
You pinpoint the exact moment this comic loses its soul.
The whole storyboarded scene for Producing Parker was so much fucking better. Wasn't that Brokenlynx too?
Anthony Gray
the storyboard off model
Isaac Thompson
Someone should make a cartoon made up of storyboards
Jonathan Myers
why the absolute fuck would you draw the same comic 6 times
Logan Cook
Literally every single on-model storyboard I’ve ever seen looks better than the finished product. That includes animation.
I don’t know why- that’s just how it is.
So what are you trying to tell us OP?
People aren’t animating like old school Disney anymore? Is that it?
Daniel Hernandez
As much as I hate Dobson, he isn't?
The first looks like it's just laying out the basics, the following two is probably getting different feels for scenes since its traditional and the bottom row is just steps on computer showing inking, flat colors, and the shading.
That said it's still more work than necessary to preparing a page, and probably should have stuck to simple "thumb nailing" until finding the proper panel scene he had in mind or just go with the first detailed version as it still tells the same scene.
Leo Sanders
The point of the storyboard is not to look good. It's to clearly describe what's happening in the scene. In that particular picture, the storyboarder exagerrates the character expressions so that it's clear how the character reacts, but animating such expressions in Flash would be quite difficult, and might also clash with the general aesthetic of the show (which seems more realistic than cartoony). The end product doesn't have to look like the storyboards at all, it's only CalArts trash cartoons like Steven Universe where they literally have Korean children trace storyboards so you can even guess the storyboarder from the final animation.
Nolan Adams
Are you literally defending the drawings on the bottom to make some kind of retarded stance. Your brain must be a stew of garbage lol
Angel James
Not that guy, but no, you tard, that's literally how storyboarding works. They're just basic drawings that are supposed to provide a layout of the scene, they don't represent the final product. And with a flash animated show it will lean more towards staying on model.
Lincoln Jackson
i was including his nonsense about Steven Universe. i just didn't mention it because i don't want to act like his comment suggests something rational.
Oliver Jenkins
the drafting process isn't always finished on your first sketch
Dylan Martinez
Would you watch TTGO if it looked like the storyboards?
Owen Anderson
People rarely call the art the deal breaker with TTGo
Colton Smith
Because that's how final products start out
Isaiah Evans
Sure seems that way. With Producing Parker in particular, they had some really talented Canadian board artists putting out well-drawn, emotive character expressions. Unfortunately the animation was farmed out to the Philippines and all the characters immediately took on some awkward Pinoy design aesthetics and that ruined the expressiveness of the initial boards... it might have completely compromised the show itself, since PP never found an audience and entered obscurity after its initial airing
David Cook
>We'll never get the storyboards for "The Skinny on Parker" episode
Tyler James
Here's the full version some user combined from two separate images.
Nolan Howard
Jesus Christ this makes me wanna die just by looking at it.
Brooklynx's talent is fucking wasted
Tyler Hall
Soul vs. Soulless
Context if you don't know: Death Trap Dungeon is a popular choose your own adventure book w/ serious and gruesome illustrations. When it was localized in Japan the art was all replace by anime girls. The best part is it was all done without the author's approval or knowledge
Robert Cox
Moon over June got a cartoon?
Angel Rodriguez
wow...
Jack Kelly
so...queens blade?
Lincoln Bell
this is hilarious
Andrew Howard
fucking based
Jordan Garcia
Easton Hughes
>The point of the storyboard is not to look good.
which is why there has been a failure when the story board looks better than the final.
Lincoln Hernandez
Jaxon Gomez
Jason Rivera
Are you sure this isn't flipped?
Looks pretty bad either way
Liam Mitchell
Wow I didn't know Morbius had his own cartoon. Thanks for sharing OP.
Adrian Foster
What is this?
Joshua Jones
Producing Parker. A Canadian animated sitcom
Jose Kelly
Yeah, they are flipped.
Recolor should be on the right with the original on the left.
Tyler Ward
flipped opposite sides
Nicholas Jones
The recolor is more soulful, by at least being appropriate for the lines, which are pretty divisive on their own
Daniel Bailey
You can tell the top was drawn by hand, the bottom looks like rigged tween shit where the eye expression and nose-mouth distance doesn't shift.
Josiah Rogers
Soul
Matthew Thompson
>animating such expressions in Flash would be quite difficult
Flash really did ruin cartoons.
Isaac Butler
You could say the same about the killing joke recolor, but most people still prefer the original
Leo Rogers
I do like the art style of the backgrounds.
Camden Barnes
>tfw if dobson wasn't a terrible person we might actually like his comics
Bentley Green
But the original Killing Joke colors are appropriate for the lines the same way the recolor is appropriate here, they're almost the same artstyle as well. The ugly airbrushed realistic colors only downplay the art instead of enhancing it.
Not sure what you're getting at, but the "Original" airbrushed look is how the comic actually looks, and the "Recolor" was done by some guy claiming the art would look better with a flat stylized retro look.
Luis Myers
>the "Original" airbrushed look is how the comic actually looks
then why is the Black Canary pic redrawn by someone else?
Isaac Torres
Not sure myself, the guy who did the recolors didn't upload any "before" pages for comparison so I had to hunt them down. Maybe he used a different edition of the book than I found, or took it upon himself to "improve" it.
Ian Jackson
strange
Jackson Thomas
Never fails to make one shrivel up a little.
Nicholas Price
I like the recolor a lot better in this case. The original colors are muddy and unbalanced, and a lot of the talking heads just look weird in the original, the better colors and grain effects in the recolor make it a lot easier on the eyes.
Cooper Cox
Is that michael jackson?
Henry Mitchell
Hell Yeah! Jeez the animatics are actually really entertaining visually.
Carson Butler
Man, why can't they just color the animatics instead of redoing everything with flash puppets,
Bentley Bell
yes
Nicholas Howard
Like, just drop in the paint bucket tool and add some iip sync and it's 100% more charming than the final product.
Lincoln Scott
Looks like his linework.
Lucas Jones
I'm sorry but this the line between stylization and a lack of artistic talent has been crossed in these images.
Noah Torres
The original had really bad early digital coloring. The recolor is trying as hard as it possibly can to look like the original Dark Knight Returns.
Daniel Flores
This feels less like line-art and coloring getting in the way, and more that he just chose the wrong draft to go with.
He should've went with the second draft in the middle. It tells the story a lot better and has more interesting composition. The sound effect for the tree falling also wasn't necessary. And while I get he may have wanted to make it clear that he was tossing the wooden man into the fire, the panel he went with was just really boring compare to the other one.
Adam Taylor
>My Dungeon can't be this Trapped with Death
Parker Clark
In the last Dobson thread I was in, people were posting some of his earlier comics and while the writing and humor was meh at best, the cartoony style was actually pretty appealing to me. I think when he started making uglier faces like in and going for a more “realistic” style is when his stuff lost any appeal it had to me.
Kevin Reyes
Because the result is an even cheaper looking powerpoint presentation for 11 minutes?
Carson Cooper
holy shit.
this is kinda sad at the same time
Jackson Smith
Holy shit, the mad lads! I now wanna see the Japanese do that with every Western book!
Hunter Watson
that's what they get for withholding FFV from the states
Owen Garcia
>The nips recreate The Hobbit
>Isekai
>Bilbo is an uninteresting Japanese teenage male whisked away to Middle Earth
>The dwarves are a harem of all anime girl cliches
>Gandalf is the main chick, a clumsy mage who calls the MC "baka" a lot but secretly has a crush on him
>Smaug is a loli
AOTD
Owen Sanchez
I found a bunch of examples from those novels.
Parker Hall
>Smaug is a loli
Shit, bro. I don't wanna see that because Smaug dies at the end.
Cooper Butler
Its amazing how this man can showcase some type of competency of composition and completely throw it out of the window.
Ian Thompson
Bentley White
Tyler Hernandez
This is the type of shit why we need to nuke Japan again to erase shit like this
Ethan Davis
>Smaug is a loli
Benjamin Bell
>expensive, cheap
You make not like the things you have to do to animation to get 22 minutes of it done on a TV budget, but those are the breaks
Zachary Peterson
i think it fits the tone better, but for television sake, what we have is fine
Hunter Smith
bullshit. With digital tools it's easier than ever to do animation. All the things that held studios back are gone. It's more to do with a growingly obsolete business model, and the youngest generation being the first to stop watching TV.
Thomas Hill
I'd watch an entire show made of storyboards.
Jacob Powell
Those look like dogshit regardless, except for the sixth panel. The original looks pretty good.
Jose Bell
>the youngest generation being the first to stop watching TV
I haven't watched television in over four years.
Logan Nelson
me neither. I cut the chord and I either stream or pirate w/e I want. Frankly I find most new TV shows to be not worth watching either way.
Kayden Rogers
Was this joke cut? I don't remember it in the original.
Chase Torres
I haven't watched TV since 2005, except a short stint of watching Master Chef around 2010
Luis Torres
Yeah, the middle page in the top row isn't all that bad. The axe doesn't look as ridiculous as in the later pages, and some of the panel composition looks better (like the second-last panel's angle). That's what you get for over-thinking things.
Kevin Murphy
yeah. almost the entire 2nd half of the episode was redid too
Dominic Powell
Gavin Thomas
Don't look, it's the most heartcrushing form of soul vs soulless
Angel Watson
Please explain because I can't imagine queen blade ever being not a porno.
Easton Campbell
Reminds me of the GOT books Japanese covers.
David Rodriguez
>All the things that held studios back are gone
Nnnnnnope, a low budget is a low budget. Software only helps so much. There is no 'make this look better for free' animation tool
Matthew Wood
This. Always frustrating when people who dont understand that 'animation is hard' complain that low budget cartoons dont look as good as their storyboards. Yeah modern software has raised the bar of what kinds of animation you can do on a low budget; compare an episode of The Flintstones to an episode of Ruby Gloom if you dont believe that. But Software only goes so far. No, the 'partially hand drawn, mostly computer assisted and assembled from previously drawn components' final product will never look as good as the entirely hand drawn original. Thats tv, get over it.
Gabriel Sanchez
I've thought the same thing but I'd just worry about the precedent it would set and it would lead to Clutch Cargo.
Jaxson Brown
>The Hobbit is now a shojo harem manga and the dwarves are all bishi
David Lee
>can throw untold millions are horrifically shitty CGI uncanny valley abominations, and garbage 8PM time slot soap opera shows
>won't throw the far less amount of bux needed to produce a hand drawn masterpiece
American shows are trash and their fascination with trying to reproduce reality are fucking disgusting.
Samuel Thomas
Even the ass looks worse.
Logan Kelly
Animation requires more time than it does money, which is unattractive to investors. You can throw as much money at it as you want but if it has to be finished in only a few months, there's not enough talent in the world that can polish a rushed turd.
Jordan Brooks
This is why I can't respect nips. Haven't been so pissed in a while.
Luis Sanders
No, TTG isnt bad because of the visuals, its bad because its horribly, cringingly unfunny
Parker Lee
based retard
Chase Edwards
Did frank miller’s art get worse over time, or was he always bad?
Juan King
Im not sure what youre referring to, american tv animation has never tried to look realistic, and theatrical animation hasnt tried that since Beowulf and those other repulsive robert zemekis films that bankrupted a company.
Sebastian Robinson
Levi Clark
I always did really like dobson's art style (he still needs to tone down the fucking eyebrows though).
I really wish he wasn't such a jackass so I wouldn't be so hesitant to admit that.
Angel Lewis
You now remember Robert Zemeckis was going to remake Yellow Submarine in shitty MoCap 3D
Pic sadly related
Zachary Peterson
>Canadian
shot in the dark, was it made by the same studio as 6teen?
Joshua Hall
Eli Stewart
HE'S A REAL NOWHERE MAN
Lucas King
>nowhere man
Noah Baker
I feel like this really shows you how the limits of what you could make really actually helped people develop a good sense of style.
The colors for most of whats on the left look really good and compliment each other and the composition but on the right they just go apeshit and dont care about what colors look good or how they look next to each other or on the page.
Jaxson Collins
this has soul though
Daniel Lopez
Imagine
Adrian Richardson
>Whatever happened to that yellow submarine remake
>I guess it went *puts on sunglasses* Nowhere Man
Oliver Rivera
No, that's the correct order. Stopped reading after the first issue because I couldn't ignore the shitty Macintosh gradients. Felt bad because I knew Lynn Varley was better than that.
Kayden Young
He only redrew like 2 times
>First sketch laying out the scene
>Second sketch laying out the persective
>Third sketch fixing some panel
>Fourth ink in
>Fifth color in
>Sixth add in effects
Connor Moore
Parker a cute. For what it was worth, the show had some pretty nice ENF scenes.
Lincoln Richardson
all this talk about Producing Parker and one user mentioning Ruby Gloom reminded me how glad I am that Mercury Filmworks has come so far and now does the Tangled cartoon
Austin Johnson
literally wrong but go off i guess
Evan Rodriguez
>Soul, Soul
Isaiah Reed
Mercury's good because they don't have to deal (very often) with the mediocrity that is the Toronto entertainment machine.
Ayden Lee
Oliver Morgan
James Thompson
I didnt know 6 year old boys browsed Yea Forums
or is it more a situation of 'TTG has been on the air for long enough that the 6 year olds who watch it are now Yea Forums age'
Joseph Richardson
Storyboards actually managed to make Lydia even more cute than the finished animation did.
Chase Cook
>it’s a hydro carbon made up word and aipcien e jargon you can’t pronounce tube!
It’s even funnier because in the actual episode that’s exactly what it is
Robert Harris
Digital coloring and inking is just not compatible with some older artists. Miller and Adams' art seem particularly... off when done digitally.
Luke Wood
6 years old is Yea Forums age.
Joshua Carter
Damn, that style is cute af
Logan Nguyen
>even cheaper
Don't give studios any ideas.
Carson Hill
ha, the japanese are subhuman
Daniel Fisher
Based
Bentley Mitchell
The bottom is still not THAT bad, relative to the PP stuff.
Brody Ross
>No, the 'partially hand drawn, mostly computer assisted and assembled from previously drawn components' final product will never look as good as the entirely hand drawn original
Okay, even though I’m disappointed by the heavy amounts of cgi projects in comparison to hand-drawn projects. I have to call total bullshit on that field. Sure it doesn’t have the bullshit ‘soul’ of hand drawing but they really are making stuff that we haven’t been capable before. ‘Into the spiderverse’ unarguably brings out a lot of style and energy that many hand-drawn movies can’t fucking do. The ‘TMNT (2012)’ show utilizes cgi to create a lot of great cinematography and camera angles that’ll be hard as fuck to achieve in a fully hand drawn production, and none of it feels cheap or inferior to a fully hand drawn project.
Connor White
I don't like it but if it sucks so bad why do people keep paying money for this garbage?
Henry Barnes
The majority of the populous of the United States and China are actually very low IQ.
Andrew Ramirez
>>show is written for a younger audience
>>adult watching said show finds the writing cringe worthy
no shit sherlock, because its not written for your overgrown dumbass
Nathan James
It's not like normal people care about what gets put in theaters.
Also the church my parents go to had a charity event where they sold tickets for the lion king to help a baby girl get better. So they helped make its money even though otherwise my parents wouldn't go see it.
Brayden Cox
Jordan Gonzalez
disgusting
Hunter Flores
the top middle actually looks good.
David Price
>The original had really bad early digital coloring.
>early
Actual early digital coloring: Katsuhiro Otomo's AKIRA, 1988 Epic Comics release with colors by Steve Oliff. Much more subtle and pleasant.
Although... I've seen people justifying the gaudy colors of DK2 as intentionally reflecting the early 2000s internet or television. That makes some sense. Still looks like shit, but makes sense.
Jacob Bailey
>Did frank miller’s art get worse over time, or was he always bad?
He got worse, definitely much worse. His style was always a bit rough and stylized, but now rough and stylized is ALL he has.
Kayden Jones
t. TTG writer
Sebastian Johnson
>we need to slaughter millions of innocent people because someone drew anime girls
You repulse me even if you're joke that's not cool. Mods ban this guy he's too sick.
Dylan Walker
I don't cringe watching goddamn Pocoyo, maybe TTG is just bad.
Noah Foster
Everyone who uses the word soul is going to cringe themselves into non-existence when they think of the fact that they said it unironically.
Ayden Moore
>Jodorowsky's GoT
Jonathan Smith
>Shading lines on top of actual shading
WW just looks hairy now
Evan Sullivan
So which one is the titular trap?
Hudson Hall
Nobody is saying that computers make animation WORSE, but when an animation studio is trying to save money on animation by using software to 'fill in the gaps', its not going to look as good as the storyboards, because the storyboards were entirely hand drawn and had no gaps to fill.
Luis Lewis
>youtube.com
>youtube.com
What were they thinking
Oliver Phillips
Every time I listen to that biggering song I swear I die a little more inside. I love this fuckin song, the absolute power it has as a rock opera song is cool as FUCK in my opinion. I would've absolutely loved it in the movie, even the fact that it exists is thanks to the movie, so I at least have the movie to thank for that.
Aaron Brown
Not that this helps much, but isn't that storyboard a thing some fan made based on the deleted song and not official?
So like even if that song was included, it likely would've looked completely different from that anyway.
Luis Williams
It was just a fan storyboard, but it's the first thing that shows up when you look up the song, it's still way better than anything in the actual film.
Matthew Baker
I like the song itself, I know the storyboard is fan-made, it's just kind of a nice bonus for a badass as fuck song.
Ryan Hernandez
I wonder if they only budgeted for one mouth to be drawn and just flipped it upside down or right side up for every expression.
Hudson Hall
You mean the song they didn't use because it would make the oncler actually look evil even though the lyrics evoke the EXACT themes of uncontrolled growth that original story was about?
God damn I hate illumination
Lincoln Wood
But that anime Tyrion is legit more accurate to the book description than the show’s version. More accurate than a lot of fan art even.
Colton Gutierrez
I think it's moreso they wanted a sillier song, they still use some of the same themes, even the final song has the same lyrics towards the end. I think it has less to do with them being afraid to portray the Onceler as evil, and more to do with Illumination being afraid to have one second of seriousness in their movies. Which fucking sucks because I love the Biggering song
Hudson Jones
Oh look, its the 'its ok thats its shit, its for kids' argument, not a response to criticism so much as it is a deflection of criticism, indirectly admitting that its garbage but thats acceptable so long as the audience is babies. An argument so flaccid and juvenile that theres a whole episode of TTG revolving around it.
The Muppet Show is 'for kids', Sesame Street is 'for kids', and those shows are fucking hilarious. Because theyre not written 'for kids', theyre written for everyone. Quality knows no demographic. Even lower end childrens shows like Dora the Explorer or Bubble Guppies are, at worst, boring for adults, and not completely insulting.
The notion that its ok for childrens entertainment to be shitty is stupid. Kids need quality entertainment MORE than adults, if anything. Because we dont want them to turn into shitheads when they grow up.
Juan Peterson
>that blacked Batwoman
Christ, the nigginger thing has been around longer than I realized.
John Turner
Such a shame if that was the case.