Garth Ennis

Because the best writers realize how good of a character he actually is.

>pick unrelated

It's easy to think the all-powerful boy scout routine is boring and generic, until they realize it's actually quite rare and there merit in exploring the character of someone that's both the strongest and the nicest person in the world.

I'm a straight guy, I checked. So why the fuck does Christopher Reeve Superman makes me feel funny whenever I watch the movies?

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Lynch just said he was feeling unwell before the meeting with Lucas, and took it as a sign not to agree to direct ROTJ, not that he was uninterested in the project.

He still went on to say that Star Wars was stupid but he respects it out of knowing Lucas' backstory

Yeah but where did he say he actually likes Superman? I take it he doesn’t really like him, imo

>quit when DC demanded some "capitalist shit"
Fucking Jodorowsky, gotta the love the old cranky fuck.

As to answer your question it may be because Superman is THE archetypal superhero, devoid of most of the shit that was basically created as "like Superman, but with a twist".

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Sheer animal magnetism. The type of stuff that makes people go out and die in battles for things they will never see, just because the guy leading them came across as having a good point. Humans naturally admire that confident aura, especially paired with a pleasing personality.

Superman is everyone's hero. To be less poetic about it, he's the cultural symbol of what it means to be a hero. No matter how cynical somebody is, it's nice to believe that there's someone that would take notice of even the most insignificant person. That's Superman. Even if he's fictional, he's something you want to believe.

Superman is Superman, while most other cape-characters are "What if Superman but corrupted in this part or the other?".

That’s not Yankee Irving

>Brat Pack
>Everyone's fucked in the head and a pretty shitty person
>Except the Superman stand-in

Is Superman that one girl in school that everyone just latched on to?

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He just wanted to rape Superman with love

I think it helps that there are no shortage of stories where "Superman Goes Bad" is the main conflict.

Though, now that I think of it, has Pat Mills ever weighed in on the subject of Superman?

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did he just let the driver die ? damn heart of steel

Sort of, I think he kind of liked the early Superman as it was stuff he was sympathetic with.

that's ok user you can have an exception

Looks more like it was falling debris than the result of a crash

>David Lynch
>Guy who said he had a headache and nearly puked when George Lucas tried to get onto his head to direct Return of the Jedi
>Likes Superman
What do these things have to do with each other?

I think the appeal of Superman is that he, more than any other superhero, is the ideal role model. Not in terms of anything physical but in terms of decency, integrity, morality, a certain standard of behavior towards others. I'm not even trying to set him up as a messiah figure, like Jesus or Buddha, but the reality is that Superman is a good person. It is easy to call him out as being corny, idealistic, the big blue boy scout, etc but underneath that cynicism is the reality is that we want to live in a world where everyone acts like Superman. Even more than that, we want to act like Superman but can't live up to those standards, and it's frustrating to constantly strive and fail.

tldr; People like Superman because he is a good person not in spite of it.

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Probably being big cultural influences

he could, but he wouldn't

Stop posting this fucking page, goddammit. It's cancerous manipulative tripe, and it has Superman waste precious time comforting some """"""""depressed"""""""" edgy emo tramp, time that could be spent on true heroic acts.

Buddha isn't a messiah figure, he's just some dude that people deified because they couldn't believe he was just some dude.

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>it has Superman waste precious time comforting some """"""""depressed"""""""" edgy emo tramp
Do you also get angry at any time he acts like a regular human or has normal conversation with people because there might be a murder happening off panel?
Or is it specifically that he gives attention to someone who tries to get attention by commiting suicide?

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Somebody hasn't read fucking All-Star Superman

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>Or is it specifically that he gives attention to someone who tries to get attention by commiting suicide?
Exactly this. Worthless chick deserved to end up a splatter on the sidewalk for being weak.

Superman is a lot like what people want America to be. He represents this ideal to humanity. He's an immigrant raised by loving foster parents coming from humble origins and ultimately is this kind, average guy who just wants to do right by people and make a difference. Nothing more, nothing less.

He should have minded his business anyway. Life is not something "precious" and people should be able to end it however they wish.

What part of Superman says to you "he lets people die because he considers them weak"? That's basically the opposite of his schtick.

user that's not very superman of you

>Superman is a lot like what people want America to be
So, an outdated "ideal" that has never been, and will never become reality?
Capecancer truly deserves to be eradicated from existence.

That's like, your opinion, man. Fictionnal characters don't have to adhere to your personal belief system.

Good. """"""""Decency"""""""" is not and will never be reality.

>"ideal" that has never been, and will never become reality?
That's very much what an ideal is.

conservatives everyone

"everyone is secretly as bitter and fucked up as I am and there's no hope, let the weak and poor die, it's only realistic, etc"

not with that attitude

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We're talking about fiction.

Oh come the fuck on, if you're going to take the bait at least have the decency to not fucking bring American partisan politics bullshit into this.
God damnit it's like you want this place to be terrible.

Hes a good person that inspires hope and kindness in the world.

Everyone likes Supe.

Maybe I secretly do

Then you're not very good at keeping it secret.

once again

Shut up, Boco.

Yes sir...

You may not remember the old Superman cartoon (not the 90s one), but he spent most of his time stopping bridges collapsing or slowing down speeding trains or repairing burst oil pipes - Man vs. Nature is when Superman is at his best.

Nowadays it's all "Robot army" this and "Doomsday" that and well, I don't much care for it. I'm sure some of these people feel the same way.

Careful with all of that edge user.

I've always liked the idea of an arty, lower-budget superman movie where he's just solving everyday human problems instead of punching doomsday so hard it does the thing where it zooms out to show the planet and there's a big hole where there aren't any clouds because he punched him so hard

He's a good man trying his best in life. Anybody that is at least half a human being respond well to that.

>You may not remember the old Superman cartoon (not the 90s one), but he spent most of his time stopping bridges collapsing or slowing down speeding trains or repairing burst oil pipes - Man vs. Nature is when Superman is at his best.
That lost a lot of traction when the Silver Age leaned heavily into him being a cosmic character, for better and for worse.

Superman Grounded had a good deal of that even if the last act is shit.

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Somebody could loosely adapt Secret Identity as a Sundance indie darling and I bet it would be a huge success

>Anybody that is at least half a human being respond well to that.
I think that's being harsh. And that's been an issue I've had with Superfags: the bile that comes out at people who don't like Superman.

I think my favorite thing about Spiderman Homecoming was Iron Man saving that boat - he didn't punch anyone, he just saved people. It somehow finally made Tony likeable for me.

I liked the segment where Spider-Man's just being a straight up friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, catching bike thieves, getting into misunderstandings, talking with people on the street. That's my crack.

Say what you want about the MCU but there's a lot of that in them.
I'm guessing you didn't watch Iron Man 3 for instance: youtu.be/QkCFtL5sH40

On the other hand people have a hard time with a superhero movie that doesn't have any punching, that's a common complaint people have about Superman Returns.

>bringing MCU cancer into a thread that has no relation to MCU

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not being very superman right now user

He's got a point, this is a superman thread lets leave company wars out of it

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return still saving people from crashing the plane, with survivors there

meanwhile, edgy supes didnt even bats an eye

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>implying Supes wouldn't be disappointed in people behaving like idiots

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Even if you think like that, Superman would still save you while respecting your opinion.

>behaving like idiots
>talking about movies where people actually act like superman
??

Superman is actually a heroic character who just wants to help other people and a good role model for kids, while almost every other superhero uses their powers to solve their personal problems with extreme violence which leads to uncomfortably fashy subtext.

While I agree there's more than enough MCU talk on the board, there wasn't any warring going on there.

Did he murder cap and thor ?

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>equating talking about the Disneyguished Competition with looting
Okay.

In this page Superman doesn't use any of his powers, yet he still saves her.

That's something anybody can do.

You have the chance to be Superman, or just act like Superman would act, for anybody that really needs help, even if the person rejects the help in the end.

You always have a chance to help.

I don't think you understood what I wrote famalam. It was a manner of saying that most people like a nice person. You have every right to not like him though. I just think that you're being edgy with those kind of responses (I assume you're the overly negative dude in the thread).

>no relation

bruh !

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Go read JLA/Avengers

There's a place for the sacred tradition that are company wars, but this thread isn't it.

Worst part is he saw and heard his father's lifeless body get thrown through the tornado. They should've shown clark immediately going to retrieve the body, it would've added actual weight to the scene. You cast the perfect Pa kent and that's the script he gets

It was from the sign or something???

That scene was extreme kino since in most action scenes you know the hero can't die yet, but when the tension is saving random extras it is actually completely possible in the narrative for the hero to fail so it's suddenly very intense.

>It was a manner of saying that most people like a nice person.
Sure but the wording, you said if you can't like that you aren't even "half human". I mean shit user, phrasing.
I like him, I didn't always like him, not through any failings of his but because I wasn't in the right place in life to be inspired by him. And when I was first exposed to Superfags then I can't say I felt they were very inspired by their hero, despite a lot of them saying his appeal is specifically that his being exemplary morally is a human trait that you should try to emulate.
>(I assume you're the overly negative dude in the thread).
I'm not.

Which is funny because Tony, regardless of plot armor, literally can't die in that scene because he's piloting the armor remotely.

Jodorowsky actually hates Superman, he hates american entertainment overall

Sorry OP but you're a dumbass

>Garth Ennis
Never actually read Superman and has only written Superman as his anti-Irish mouthpiece.

>Alan Moore
Likes the adaptation because the showrunners asked his permission.

>Jordorowsky
Sauce?

By definition, everybody is at least half human. It was just a figure of speech.
I don't deal with fandoms but that wouldn't surprise me.
>I'm not
Sorry for that then.

the fucking 7-11 is a god damn cancerous eyesore.

>By definition, everybody is at least half human. It was just a figure of speech.
Well yeah but the figure implied that you would consider someone who doesn't like Superman a (much) lesser person. Don't worry about it, it's just a pet peeve of mine.

Becauae Superman is the most complex character in literature and it takes high iq for people to understand him.

>"Now in society there's no more examples, before you had Zeus, Hercules or Achilles and now there's Spiderman, Iron man, Superman and all that north american garbage"

Actual quote from Jodorowsky, translated from spanish

>Zeus
>example
I think Jodo just likes to shitpost irl.

>Why are these kind of folks always tsundere for Good Ol' Supes?
Because Supes is the original and everyone else is a fucking knock off cashing in

I don't think he was talking about examples of paper thin capeshit characters.

OK Lex

It doesn't matter. Zeus is a fucking asshole

I think he just likes all the raping.

Go read Hitman #34.

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Why don't you read my post?

>Planet to Finger Luthor
Mogo's getting frisky.

what's anti Irish about Hitman #34?

Because Donner's Superman was a pop culture landmark. It's the same for millennials with movies like Space Jam and 90s/early 2000s cartoons.

It's the usual Ireland bad, America good. It's more about immigrants than Superman himself. Ennis never even read any Superman comic while growing up.

>THE archetypal superhero
Heracles?

I mean, that scene literally started with him murdering a super human so I only half agree with the point you're trying to make.

Your feelings have been noted and moved to the Recycle Bin.

Space Jam isn't anywhere near as much of a landmark comparatively. And the only cartoon from that era that could compare would be the Simpsons (or DBZ in Europe and Latin America).
t. millenial

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>Supergirl and Super-horse

completely forgot kara was fucking a horse at one point

It's from a failing hovercar

Not really, most of the shit Heracles does is because some God or other is pissed at him and he's trying to get out of it. Superman originally isn't built like a classic hero's journey, there's no refusal of the calling and then following it, he just does this shit because he wants to and he thinks that's the right thing to do. Down to an archetype that's what a superhero is, someone who does good because it's right. A classical hero like Heracles usually has to be forced into being heroic when he just wants to be left the fuck alone.

He's The Superhero. To write a Superman story is to write a story about the idea of Superheroes. He's his own character and simultaneously a metaphor for the whole genre. It's gotta be tempting to write him.

Thats very clearly a muffler from a car

I honestly think it was supposed a street lamp or something like it because I'm skimming through the book and I have no clue where that muffler came from

>>Jordorowsky
>Sauce?

This, I wanna know about the part where he wanted to write the character.

Isn't the only adaption Moore likes "For the man who has everything?"

I remember being 19 years old too. You'll keep putting off therapy because it's "weak" and then your obvious mental illness ruin your relationship with whatever desperate girl takes your virginity

Fuck I'm stupid
I see the hovertrain, I always thought it was a theater banner or something

Why doesn't Superman stop abortions if he finds all life so precious?

Sick bro lets listen to this Burzum album together!!

It's also one of the easiest traps to fall into, using your story to make a big sweeping statement about an issue and using Superman as your mouthpiece for it, while forgetting the "he's his own character" part.
Because he's not just an easy metaphor for the superhero genre, people focus on all sorts of apects of him to make statements, from immigrant to messaic figure to space alien to goody-two-shoes. And I guess it's fine, it's just a bit tiresome how much some writers seemed to be enticed by the iconicity of Superman rather than by him as a character.

That scene and the ones in Justice League were in direct reaction to audiences complaining that cape movies didn't involve saving anyone, due to Snyder and Weadon jerking themselves off to almost micheal bay tier fight scenes

Why don't you go shit up a different thread?

No Cap gave him his shield and Thor got knocked out by the bad guys.
Its pretty awesome actually Cap acts as the commander while Supes acts as the rallying point

Thats why Dark Knight Returns Supes left a bad taste in my mouth. Miller is an idiot

The MCU's reaction to that was in AoU, when there's like 30 fucking minutes of them evacuating civilians from Sokovia, and Tony scanning a building before smashing Hulk into it to determine it's empty.
And then you had Civil War where half of the fucking plot is about collateral damage and casualties are ridiculously low as a reaction to Snyder saying 5000 people died in Metropolis.
By the time Homecoming rolled around that shit was almost an afterthought.

Because I want to shit up THIS thread.

Tankies are the worst

It's from the fucking train, look above Clark's head in the last panel. You can see where it fell out.

Because as crappy as it makes him feel, he doesn't want to see someone be born into a terrible life where they're not wanted, both because he can't stand the idea of causing someone to suffer, and because he doesn't want to have to punch him in the face in 20-30 years.

Now go back to ruining Yea Forums.

Pessimistic, aren't you?

Also to add. It paints a stark difference, Tony saving people on the boat after Peter decided reminded him of the first time he went and played superhero and thought his suit could stop a bunch of arms dealers he created. Then he gets paralyzed by a sonic device in his powerless state and nearly died because of it

And Spiderman is making the same mistake he did with more to lose than he does. Spiderman needed to realize he does the best when he is just being a local hero instead of stopping what amounts to a gunrunning biker gang that FBI gives kickbacks to

Then why doesn't Superman abort all the babies to spare them the pain of living?

Not everyone.

There were other Super-animals besides Krypto?

>And Spiderman is making the same mistake he did with more to lose than he does. Spiderman needed to realize he does the best when he is just being a local hero instead of stopping what amounts to a gunrunning biker gang that FBI gives kickbacks to

Spider-Man has always fought threats of varying levels. "Friendly neighborhood" doesn't mean he should ignore other shit.

ok grandpa

I think streaky the cat was kryptonian

Closest thing I could find by OP's description was a Brazilian site which interviewed during Cannes when he was promoting Endless Poetry (he also talks shit about Iron Man)
www1.folha.uol.com.br/ilustrada/2013/05/1282574-homem-de-ferro-e-um-filme-para-idiotas-diz-cineasta-alejandro-jodorowsky-em-cannes.shtml

Translation (its the last bits, where they ask him if he would be someone to make a hero film if they charged it more than he expected):
>"Never, I'm an artist. There was this one time where I was requested to do a Superman script and they [DC Comics] instructed me that they required 15 copies [of the script]. And so I asked: 'Why would you need 15 Copies? So 15 other jackasses can read it?' So I denied it"

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>asking artists to make their own copies
Classic entertainment corporation and classic Jodo reaction.

damn, he's so fucking based

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A little bit, but it's more that I believe in the right to die however you wish.

How can one man be so based?

as I recall, there was a monkey, a cat, the dog, and the horse.

though the horse was actually a transformed centaur and was trying to bang Supergirl

>Didn't read "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?"
Explans a lot

I'm pretty sure he's doing his best Manchester Black impersonation there, user.

Alan Moore kind of took the piss with Superman in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen with Hugo Hercules killing Hugo Danner and Superman just a government funded Hollywood production, but consider his current views on cape comics and the like it's not surprising.

I agree, but here Superman doesn't force her to not die, he convinces her not to. The agency still lies with her. You can always try to help someone whose down and support someone without forcing them to act the way you want them to

It's not the only time, remember Top 10 with the Justice League knockoffs?

Besides, it's not like he doesn't enjoy aspects of Superman. His view in the last decade or so primarily comes about because of his view of the companies that own the characters. Had Superman gone PD in 2014 instead, I'd wonder if it would've been different.

Is Man of Steel the most disgusting use of blatant product placement in a movie?

Because he's the original?

Not anywhere near.

My god. Superman is secretly Sergeant Cosgrove.

Do you know that Enis has shown respect for Superman in Section 8?

Let's be honest though, the Irish are fucking awful. Their aura of romantic sentimentality just fools casual observers who don't see the *constant* malice roiling under the surface.

You're forgetting that the entire reason she's about to kill herself is because she thinks her therapist has abandoned her for missing their appointment, even though he just got held up on public transport and was on his way, and Supes knows this. He stopped her from killing herself over nothing. Having the right to end your own life is all well and good but she would have literally been killing herself over a misunderstanding.

Superman's meta powers so strong they affect the real world

So does Superman, even if he doesn't agree with it.
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My man

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Seconding this, it's exactly how you would want that crossover to go. Busiek did good work