ITT: What could have been done better?
What could have been done better in 2003? In 2012? The movie? The IDW comics? How much would need to be done better about Rise for it to stop sucking?
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All I can say is I will never understand Yea Forums's boner for 2003. It was a bog-standard 90s cartoon for boys, aping the likes of the DCAU with only a fraction of the heart and way less sensible worldbuilding.
"It's a world a lot like ours, but with secret ninja clans, and secret monsters, and secret lost civilizations, and secret aliens. Oh! And also superheroes are real there."
IDW 8s doing April well by understanding that she really shouldn't even be there.
If anything Yea Forums is spoiled with the turtles. The original concept was never that great, and Mirage never really came together into something with a strong and coherent story. Yet it's been spun off into countless comics, cartoons, movies, games, and for some reason an anime and a sentai show.
All from a shitpost indie black and white comic by people going "what if we did a Frank Miller ninja comic, only with funny animals."
At a certain point you have to admit that the quality is never going to be amazing because the whole thing was held together by the duct tape of "looks neat" from day one.
>improving Rise. Even by TMNT standards it's a sausagefest. April isn't even in most episodes and I don't think there are any female mutants?
I want more Archie Adventures
The only Turtles that matter.
I mean, it was good, but not "burn all other versions" good.
You accidentally posted the 90s movie and not Bay's
At this point I just want a solid ending. And Raphael reuniting with Ninjara. Fuck that wolf.
Eww, shoo shoo. People with tastes are talking in this thread.
Ehh, I don't know. I could definitely live with just the first movie.
It resonates well with everyone I know that loves TMNT.
You know what was good? The rifftrax version of that.
so splinter is dying in 100 is shredder gonna come back then as his original self and his descendant is the dragon? and original shredder helps the turtles
I would pay SOOOO much money for Shredder in Hell to end with Shredder just staying in hell. It's so obvious it's going to end with him coming back that I really really really want it to do the opposite. "Naw dog, he's dead."
>ITT: What should April be?
A girl. That's about all everyone agrees on.
I'm torn between "it hasn't aged well" and "no, they absolutely should look kinda uggo."
I think I'm going to settle on "the boys are turtles, so they should look more moist. They're too dried out!"
Rise is easily improved.
Just needs to play to its strengths.
She is very attractive.
That design shoulda been their April. MISTAKES WERE MADE.
I like the way you think
Agreed. I'm tired of child April.
I'm tired of grown-ass-woman-abandoning-her-life-to-the-whims-of-some-bizarre-teenagers April.
She was a shit walking plot device until 2012, there to be a human that could do human things for them and never asking anything in return no matter how much they fucked up her life.
Mirage and 2003 April?
Mirage is the worst offender at that. The turtles saved her, yeah, but every day she spent with them after that was new things trying to kill her or ruin her life. For some reason she went from being a brilliant programmer to running an antique store to (once the store got destroyed purely due to her association with the boys) eventually becoming the housewife of a lunatic. And finding out she was a drawing brought to life.
At least the original cartoon April could claim they helped her on a regular basis, since her own job put her in harm's way every two minutes.
Say what you will about 2012 April, she hung with the guys for a long time because they were her best shot at getting back her dad. Long enough for it to be believable when she kept hanging out with them after she got him back.
Mirage/2003 April should've helped them a few times before going "guys, I appreciate the time when you saved me from Baxter, but this is just too much craziness."
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They are already making the forever war and the first issue was storytimed here some months ago Ninjara shows up at the end
Wish there was a way for non-backers to buy it. Everyone who found out about it too late is SOL.
I bought one copy. Is there a way to scan all of it without tearing the whole comic?
Literally more than 20 years in the making.
Yeah, never thought I'd see this happening. Turtle fans are really something else.
April's inherent issue is that it's hard for her to stay relevant as the stakes increase.
My solution to that would be, maybe a bit counter-intuitively, keep the stakes a bit lower. Keep it weird, have mutagen, a bit of mysticism, etc- but keep the overarching conflict locked on the fight between the boys and a crime syndicate with shredder at the top. Don't have a full on alien invasion, don't go to space.
Not to say that they should structure the plot AROUND April, I like the idea of it in the first place and it just happens to prop her up, too. Maybe the foot clan could have some of their hooks in the local government/corporations and the guys are generally unpopular because of that with April being a friend in the media subtly advocating for them alongside working support.
Was at a food festival today, and one of the stalls had a very little kid working at cashier. He was wearing one of those hoodies that are basically a costume, with the hood up - Leo's face on the hood, Leo's chest and belt on the rest. Kids are still into the Turtles.
And it was not the Rise design, lemme tell you.
April's inherent issue is that Eastman and Laird first envisioned her as a scientist.
Then they changed their minds and said, no, she ran a store where the turtles could crash.
Then when the TV show came out it said no, she was a reporter.
So just in the very earliest days, three very different jobs assigned to "the turtles' human friend." Makes it very hard to know what's the RIGHT thing to do with her. Should she be a reporter? A scientist from beginning to end? Or a scientist that quits her job to run a store?
No, the thing is that April does all those things well in the initial bits of a story, but then as things wrap up, what's the point of her sticking around?
If she cares about her own career/life at all and doesn't just cow to the turtles' impulses and follow them everywhere, there's really no sane reason for her to join them in space and on their crazy adventures after a certain point. Having her be a scientist feels a little redundant because Donatello exists, having her become a ninja/psychic kind of removes some of her appeal as a normal person compared to people like casey, but it also means that whenever she's doing some like driving the turtles around or playing support staff, you can't help but think "why aren't they just getting someone else to do this who's actually qualified in a fight?"
In a show where it mainly sticks to a city scale and things like information and spin matter I think you could make reporter april work. Play it like season 1 of daredevil or something.
This is a big part of why I maintain that 2012 April is best April.
She got rescued by the bros, and that's why she trusts them.
She sticks with them because she needs them (initially) to rescue her dad. And it eventually turns out that she really should be sticking with them because the Kraang are very interested in her.
Her mutation is a combination of immunity to mutagen (which is useful) and low-grade telepathy (which is useful, and provides an explanation for why she can pick up martial arts well enough to be of use in a fight).
They did fuck things up with making the "will they or won't they" thing with Donnie go on forever, but that's the writers trying to milk a plot element forever. The basic character idea was the best approach to April they've had to date.
The problem is, in Mirage the turtles killed Shredder in the first issue then immediately went to aliens. It's hard to argue that they should just fight thugs and ninjas when practically their entire publication/broadcast history ssys otherwise.
I'd argue that the easiest version of TMNT to fix would be the Bay movies. They did a lot wrong, but they also did a lot right. They nicely modernized reporter April, and the boys were... not my thing, but sure, they felt like teenagers.
But way too much screentime was given to generic businessman villain, and Shredder having a magnet suit was just stupid. Cut all that crap and just do the Foot as a gang taking shit over, no business ties, and have Shredder be just an incredible ninja, no power armor.
Hardly, while they had plenty of stand alone episodes, they had a pretty detailed story line and got a lot of stuff past the radar. 2012 was the cartoon for boys, 2003 was an IDW morning love story.
She's still ultimately relegated to the sidelines and I'll say that I still think having April be born with special powers kind of mucks with her appeal of being the normal friend thrust into this world of insane ninja crime. I think so, anyway.
have mutants, have aliens, just have them be more of a background/side-threat that get shut down before they can become the main enemy compared to Shredder being a genuinely scary and intimidating crime boss who has his hooks in the mayor and the cops.
IMO the series has always been at its strongest when it seamlessly mixes the the dark martial arts crime stuff with the weird rather than shoving the crime stuff out of the way and immediately focusing on archie-tier weird shit for the rest of the run.
>Hardly, while they had plenty of stand alone episodes, they had a pretty detailed story line and got a lot of stuff past the radar.
And? They got SOME things past the radar, but for the most part it wasn't that impressive a series compared to what else was on at the time. Not to say that the other series were either, just that Yea Forums puts it on a pedestal when really it was just following in the footsteps of series that WERE groundbreaking, only with more stilted dialogue and even less skill with "mushy stuff" than even the likes of Transformers (2012's approach to romance was hit or miss to put it kindly, but 2003's handling of Casey and April was straight out of the hack writer textbook).
Gargoyles was amazing. Batman the Animated series was amazing. 2003 was acceptable.
Everyone always forgets 2007. It wasn't THAT bad.
Best version of tmnt.
Man, the archie guys really couldn't draw splinter
That's the best drawing of Splinter, you shut your whore mouth.
He looks like a mascot for a fast food restaurant, I still like it.
Not long back from deployment, and getting caught up on a lot of things. Dare I ask... how has reaction to "Jennika the fifth turtle" been, here and elsewhere?
Good Yea Forumsnnoisseur Yea Forums, or stereotypical comic book guy Yea Forums?
What exactly are you arguing? I've never seen anyone claim the 03 series was superior to other cartoons of its era, just that Yea Forums generally considers it the best animated tmnt series.
I mean it would depend on where you go
I think mostly whatever, with a sprinkling of reactionary I BET THE SJWs DID THIS forced in by a few maniacs and on other sites a bit of excitement about female rep, that kind of thing.
But mostly just apathy. Jennika hasn't really eched out enough of a spot prior to her mutation for her to really stand out as anything other than a new girl turtle, it's not like if they mutated april or karai or something where it's like WOAH shocking and newsworthy
It's actually been kind of calm, all things considering when you think of the "I hate sjw bullshit."
Even some of the bigger anti-sjw are kind of like "Yeah, this is fine."
It probably helps that even though she is the black sheep, Venus did already give us an idea of "yeah, there could be a female turtle" mentality. It probably helps that they are just simply adding a female character, intead of say turning Leonardo female.
But overall for Jennika...going by issue 97, which is when she gets her headband, she will probably be staying as support character.
Honestly since Tom has stated that Nick doesn't even want to talk about Venus, so it's probably a stripulation to at least not officially make her part of the team. Jenny probably won't stay with the turtles and probably crashes where she doe typically.
Oh my gosh, she was so fun to edit! Good times.
Imagine if Guillermo Del Toro had been involved.
If they had to brown April, this would have been a much better design
I love how the one Rise character people gave a shit about and want back is a character that almost certainly won't come back because she has such a small and specific role.
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>TALK! TALK STRAIGHT!
>BE! BE STRAIGHT!
>SEE! SEE STRAIGHT!
>THINK! THINK STRAIGHT!
This was very gay. And bad. Gay but bad music, a rarity.
where's that pic where oprah asks the guys what they'd do if april was a turtle and one of them says they've already been trying to get april to agree to a relationship
and then it cuts to the expression of the kids in the audience
And I'm arguing that Yea Forums acts like it was leaps and bounds beyond 2012 and the various comics, when... nah. It had its pluses and minuses, people just tend to only remember the pluses because it's been 16 years.
Oh they say way more than that.
I'm pretty sure they say "conceptually that works for me" but the closed captions insisted it was "sexually that works for me," and I can't be 100% sure that's not what the actor said.
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I think most of Yea Forums were just kids when 2k3 were airing so they love it the best. I think its garbage.
Garbage is a bit strong, but I don't know how they wrote that dialogue after stuff like Gargoyles had proven you can DO better.
And I will never get over the first ep, where the lose their lair and immediately find a new one... that happens to be a lost Atlantean outpost or some shit.
I really don't get why people overthink April.
Her role is to be the turtles' human friend. She can do certain things they can't (like drive them places or talk to other humans), but thematically her reason for being there is to keep TMNT rooted in the real world. When the only characters around are mutants and ninja weirdos it doesn't feel like the story takes place in our world, just out of our field of view. It feels like a weird sci-fi fantasy land. The Nick cartoon is a really good example of this.
I don't mind April having some kind of additional hook to make her more plot relevant (antique store owner, reporter, scientist, hacker, etc), but making her a part of the freak show completely misses the point of her.
>her role is to be the human's friend
It's a shit role that becomes more and more irrelevant the more you think about it. "She can go places they can't," well, not a whole lot, because they're fucking ninjas so they can actually get into a shitton of places SHE can't. She's at most the designated person that has to walk up to humans and ask questions, but since the boys also know folks like Casey Jones that can ask a question AND fight, she becomes irrelevant fast.
"The human friend" works well in a movie with a two hour or so running time. The longer the story goes after that, the harder it is to justify a human person willing to deal with all the shit that comes with the turtles, and the harder it is to make room for her in the storytelling that makes her important.
Face it, there's a limit to how many stories you can write where a bunch of ninjas need a completely unpowered and untrained woman to walk up to someone and ask questions. Especially if you're trying to make her look important and not just the gopher.
Supporting cast exists for a reason. They supplement the story and the cast but they aren't the stars.
What the hell is so wrong with a character that isn't on the screen at all times and isn't necessarily the most important? Why are people okay with Superman having Lois Lane but it's suddenly such a big fucking deal to have a normal human female when it's TMNT?
Lois Lane is also Superman's girlfriend. And for a good chunk of the publication history she WAS someone that did things to benefit Superman, but she was also someone that was trying to figure out his secret identity, and was going rogue, even sometimes sabotaging Clark Kent's efforts to investigate things. She could work at cross purposes. And, not to put to fine a point on it, Superman is way better at keeping a "normal human" safe than the Turtles are.
Look, I'm just saying, this has happened in almost all long-running TMNT media. The longer it goes on, the harder it is to keep her from drifting waaay into the background, and the harder it is to explain why she keeps sticking her neck into harm's way for the turtles. There comes a point in every woman's life where she should really be going "I need new friends, these ones keep nearly getting me killed."
I haven't watched Rise of the TMNT since it came out. How is it now? I remember loving the animation but that was it.
Nothing all that exciting has happened yet besides the reveal of Splinter's past. It hasn't changed much, still 95% hijinks. They did introduce the idea of Shredder and the Battle Nexus though so maybe season 1 will end with something interesting.
>How is it now
Frustrating. There's some neat new ideas in there, a different take on the origin, some different directions with personality, much more emphasis on humor... it often feels like it could be good. But honestly it feels like they didn't hammer out enough beforehand, especially for such a major departure from what came before. The writers don't feel like they're on the same page.
Shit, they can't agree on basic worldbuilding facts. Really central ones too.
It could in theory come together eventually, but getting there would be the most uphill treck since The Next Mutation.
>they can't agree on basic worldbuilding facts
Like? This doesn't seem like a series with hard defined rules.
I'd argue that we also got the revelation about what Shredder is this time around. Emphasis on "what" not "who."
Donnie is more blatantly a sociopath. In one episode he literally overwrote his brothers' personalities with his own, turning them into copies of himself, because he didn't like them as much as he likes himself. Then he eventually undid it, not because he realized he was a fucking monster for doing something like that, but because he didn't like that he was no longer unique. Fucking hell, this series.
I....
WHAT?!
>much more emphasis on humor
That's really the biggest issue isn't it?
Whoever is overseeing the writing sure values comedy over consistency. Nick wants a memeable show, not a touching one. Memes and sincere narrative don't mix. It doesn't have to be gritty or dark, in fact I'd rather it not try to be because modern Nick would never execute that correctly. But fuck, it takes literally nothing seriously. Leo nearly dies and it amounts to nothing. Every new episode keeps reminding me of all the wasted potential.
I said, in one episode he literally overwrote his brothers' personalities with his own, turning them into copies of himself, because he didn't like them as much as he likes himself. Then he eventually undid it, not because he realized he was a fucking monster for doing something like that, but because he didn't like that he was no longer unique.
Thank christ someone else sees this. The majority of the fanbase online are teenage girls who want to fuck that sociopath, I guess it's the eyebrows. I was starting to wonder if anyone understands how unlikable his character is now. What the hell happened to Donnie in general? He was intended to be the understanding one. His weapon is a wooden staff because he's a pacifist for fucks sake.
>Nick wants a memeable show, not a touching one. Memes and sincere narrative don't mix.
not him but, it isn't exactly a normal wooden staff anymore desu.
That was my point
Ehhhhhh... the whole "pacifist" angle was introduced AFTER the 1987 cartoon was already well on its way. Leo being the leader, Raph being a hothead, and Mikey being a joker were the traits established early enough on to really be solidified throughout the years. With Donnie what got solidified was "does machines" not "pacifist, as much as a ninja can be."
That said, this version takes the "sometimes nerds lack people skills" take of 2012 and turns it up to 11, so he's a flat-out selfish monster. Shit, he got addicted to gaming and stole from his brothers... and it turned out it wasn't, like, a hypnotically addictive game or anything. He just sucked.
Pacifist would be a shit trait to be remembered for in an action cartoon, so of course every iteration plays harder into his technical skills. He may be a genius first but out of the four he was still the passive diplomat. And it works great, because he's the foil to Raph's aggressor personality, while Mikey the slacker youngest is the foil to Leo, the disciplined eldest. But
>he's a flat-out selfish monster
I couldn't agree with this more. The game episode really hammered that home for me. I thought for sure I'd see someone, somewhere mention what a dick Don's become in this show but I haven't seen anything. Guess anyone who actually cares wouldn't be watching Rise to begin with.
I just can't completely hate that animation though.
I mean, I agree that pacifism isn't a good trait for memorability in action cartoons, I'm just saying it's also not a trait in most iterations of the character.
Mirage: Wasn't there in any real way until maybe the Northampton stuff, well after Leo the Leader, Raph the rager, and Mikey the lighthearted one.
1987: Because it wasn't in the early Mirage stuff, didn't show up in this.
Archie comics: Yes, although with Archie everyone could be surprisingly spiritual at times.
1990 Movie: Nope.
2003 cartoon: Yes, they definitely do a little with Donnie wanting to be a pacifist.
IDW: Eh. Varies, but kinda no.
2012 cartoon: Nope.
2018 cartoon: Holy shit, definitely not.
So it's not nothing, but not something there so consistently that its absence stands out as much as, say, Leo not being the leader.
Why the fuck Rise is popular among tumblr subhumans?
>ITT: What could have been done better?
All shit with Raph Shredder from Image vol3
It was great
It's really not. Check the reblog count vs. what 2012 could achieve. The show has fans there, but fuck, it has fans here. Just not in the same numbers as past versions.
Considering I was never a fan of 87 or 12, my perception is skewed more toward pacifism for his character. It's not even really pacifism, I think it's more accurate to say he's just the least confrontational. But again, the contrast with Raph works incredibly well in a literary way, it's satisfying.
But, I'm not saying he has to be pacifistic in every single iteration anyway, in fact I was quite enjoying how sarcastic and snarky Rise Donnie was in the beginning. But there's enough calmness in his character's past incarnations that making him a violent, selfish tool out of the blue is really fucking jarring. And to be honest I saw the start of it as soon as Nick got its hands on the IP.
Turtle and monster fuckers mostly. The rest obsess about brother wholesomeness or their own autistic self inserts.
Image in general was just a slow car crash that had some neat ideas but not enough to hold it together.
I enjoy reading Image reprint more than IDW City at war.
>about Rise for it to stop sucking?
maybe watch the show instead of bitching about how it doesnt follow the same cannon as the rest.
You people are too up your ass.
ok I like rise.
And before you guys get all up in your heads about it I will at least explainn why I enjoy it.
Basically after we saw small shorts variations of ninja turtles and the fact that multiverse is a thing, all I look at it as another multiverse where things are far different from the original. Like a multivers can have all variations of characters reworked and put out there.
Rise is simply that,
Characters are different and leo and donny stick put more than Mickey and Raph do. Mickey is the weakest in terms of character because of how much pf a hippie he is.
Now terms of animation its more dynamic angles that make it look so good. Then there are the villains that arent black and white type villains just good fun until shredder shows up.
The show isnt terrible but it certainly is not our regular turtles and you shouldnt let that bother you since we have had some many issues of turtles that stick closer to the original more.
why cant you just have fun, not everything needs to be 2k3 again. jesus
Why cant you just have tastes.
one of the main villains is a female mutant.
outside of that there is Sunita, the three Digg girls, the Foot Recruit, the Purple Dragons Leader. a whole bunch of one episode girl villains as well.
Your show is shitting the bed, accept it.
I like unhinged sociopath Donnie, but I'd wish they'd do more with it in terms of making him realise how fucked up he is and how it's harmful to the family. That's pretty much the show in general for me, I want it to get heavy from time to time. Not go full grimdark, but able to take itself seriously sometimes.
Also after that Dig episode I could see Mikey having rage issues and that being an interesting character development and departure from Raph being the one that can't control his anger.
I like Rise, but for a show that had the balls to change things up so drastically it seems too afraid to dig into the characters and start having consequences and growth.
I do its called expanding them
Dobson of all people you have no right to say it.
eh I think the mind meld episode already touched on that
Not even sure what this means, but take this pity (you) since your show is still a let down
>doesnt know what it means
well if you aint dobson a newfag work just as bad
You can deflect with random internet personalities all you want but your show still blows
I'll need to rewatch it, I just seem to recall it being kind of shrugged off at the end like "I'm sorry I brainwashed you and destroyed your personalities because I was annoyed, I'll be sure to not change my behaviour at all"
What's the best TMNT cartoon?
dont think he said that last part
We can all agree this was best Splinter.
By an absurd margin.
all are good.
Glad to see I'm not the only one to notice that Rise Donnie is a fucking psycho. There's just so little emotional warmth in this version of the characters.
best Splinter, Shredder, and April.
Worst Irma.
City at War is a bit of a mess. Too crowded.
Uh...
Nah. The anime is too weird, Rise is trash, and the 2007 movie was written by idiots.
Risefags will swear that their version has the most emotional warmth because the turtles like to hug and call Splinter "dad".
>Rise Donnie is a fucking psycho.
I like mad scientist donnie.
I'm hoping IDW Karai and her all of minions drop dead. But I guess it wont be happen. She just become the worst Incarnation of Karai.
There was a whole ep about how he's never once hugged them until that ep.
Honestly my favorite part of watching 2012 as it was released was to see older characters get reimagined, i remember watching the SDCC panels where they showed off concept art to reveal upcoming characters, it was pretty fun, though they did suffer from a lack of interesting brand new characters, the only one that really stood out was Tiger Claw and he wasn't even that unique, though some of the horror inspired characters from season 3 did make for interesting episodes.
The fuck are you talking about? No there isn't.
>All shit with Raph Shredder from Image vol3
How did such a nifty concept go so wrong?
>maybe watch the show instead of bitching about how it doesnt follow the same cannon as the rest.
>Implying you can't watch the entire show then walk away having concluded "this is a shit show."
Rise's problem isn't that it doesn't follow the same canon. Rise's problem is that the new canon it introduces is very bad, with serious plot holes held together with the sticky-tape of "no, you don't understand, it's goofy therefore things don't have to make sense!"
It wants to be a TMNT series with extremely different origins for the characters. And an extremely different tone, emphasizing comedy. And the characters have remarkably different personalities, with Splinter being flat-out abusive, Donnie being a sociopath, Raph being Sonic Boom's Knuckles, and all of them being very willing to put their family in danger for selfish reasons. That's enough things changed that they really should have just not bothered using an established IP, but hey, a reasonable adult can look past all that and evaluate it on its own merits.
And on its own merits its pretty bad, because it tries to merge adult "these characters are damn assholes" humor, regularly writing the guys as having all the compassion of Peter Griffin or Rick Sanchez, only the show also wants to be a kids show. So you get this weird whiplash nonsense, where the characters do something bad one minute, but the next minute it's okay because they're the hero. The humor never really comes together. This is a bad show, and that has nothing to do with it being unlike the previous versions.
I feel like rewatching the old cartoons. The original, 2003, 2012... any mega of that stuff?
I know 2012 is on Hulu but the only other thing I can find anywhere is Netflix having The Last Mutation for some fucking reason.
>go wrong
It didn't? Raph's anger finally manifests in him leading international crime syndicate which operates on killing. Leo getting mad that everyone have their own life (Donnie science stuff, Raph Foot, Mikey writting) and the only thing he can do is being a leader without a team. Foot clashing with Triceratons and etc.
>Uh...
No. Others. Exist.
>mirage purist
Disgusting
Didn't '87 come up with the different colored bandannas? And the whole idea of... not killing Shredder five minutes into the story? And streamlining Shredder and Splinter's feud, so it's not "you killed my owner who killed your brother, because your brother attacked my owner's wife, because they were both in love with her..."?
And Jesus, 2014 makes the cut? JeffVictorArt is a shitty person, on a spiritual level. Probably abuses animals too.
Where's 2012
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The different bandana colors were made because Playmates couldn't justify parents buying their children four of the same colored toy, so the bandanas were changed to make them seem different.
And? It stuck. And lemme tell you, in 2003 there were definitely times it would've been impossible to tell them apart without it.
It was a very useful addition to turtleness, and it came from the 1987 cartoon, like a lot of good ideas. Laughing at this monsterfucker artist, because just... holy shit. "Yeah man, I love, uh... the original! And the movie! And 2003! AND THE BAY MOVIE AND RISE AND FUCK EVERY OTHER VERSION."
Him turning up his nose at 2012 and 1987 is bad enough, but doing it while EMBRACING the Bayverse and Rise? There's shit tier taste, and then there's being on the shit tier of shit tier tastes.
Looks like Splinter's seen some shit
Not that user but I gotta admit, for all I love when TMNT stuff leans into Mirage-ness like say, 2K3 did.... I still like them with different-colored bandannas.
Eastman and Laird-style art with the different color bandannas is GOAT to me.
Whose the cat in the center?
I agree.
I also think she shouldn't have super powers.
I think you're onto something....
In Archie's TMNT series (which was done by Mirage luminaries), Ninjara the kitsune was first introduced as an enemy, then became Raph's girlfriend, and was such a mainstay that she basically became the fifth member of the core team.
>unpowered normie
Ask IDW how well that works out. She's lucky to appear a couple times a year.
It's not that people are saying that there's no room for alternate universes or different takes, it's that they're saying this particular one sucks. There are even moments where we can get on board and say we like specific things about it, just that it doesn't come together.
Hell, I kinda like that this time around they're mutated by an already-existing monster that was out to create himself an evil army, instead of the TCRI origin. Could be an interesting new version. But it's just lost in the noise of everything else in Rise, the show where everything's made up and the points don't matter.
What motivated him to undo it though wasn't that he missed his brothers or felt bad that he'd basically, you know, become a murderer (type 4 death variant: death of self). It was that he didn't feel unique any more. And, horror of horrors, they might even be smarter than him!
I hopeshe and Raphget tougheter in Forever War.
Tiger Claw was interesting, but it was so weird when he was introduced. Like, they'd made a big deal about how the Foot were surprised to find out about the turtles and splinter. Mutant animals? Whaaaaa?
And then out of nowhere it turned out that one of the top members of the Foot clan was himself a mutant animal. Oh... kay? Why hadn't their reaction to the turtles been "huh, so kinda like Tiger Claw?"
Obviously because the writers hadn't come up with Tiger Claw yet. I'm just saying it was awkwardly done. Still a great character though. "I'm a ninja. My weapon of choice is... these fucking guns."
I really need to get my hands on Forever War. Have they hinted at a wider release? I missed the campaign.
Their take... worked.
He doesn't even look like a rat. He looks like some weird bucktoothed dog
They haven't say anything about FW in a while, they are currently finishing another fanbook.
They started with just straight up doing the cartoon version of Splinter, then started tweaking it, then... well you know how it is, you simplify and simplify and tweak and then it starts becoming something very different. They probably overshot the mark in trying to make him a better dad-Splinter.
>white backgrounds
oh come on you lazy fucks
The bottom panel is about clearing your mind and it bleeds upwards for effect. C'mon.
I don't just hate Karai, I think it's a wasteful interpretation of her. Traditionally she's been a very different threat, someone in the Foot Clan with at least some honor and lacking Shredder's bloodthirsty obsession. Turning her into a psychbitch is just boring in comparison.
Weird, I don't think I ever want to go back to fully-adult April. Looking back I didn't think anything much of it at the time, but adult April hanging out with all those teens all the time and letting them steer her life... that was weird.
I think IDW had a good idea making her an intern. Young enough to hang with particularly mature teenagers and be a "cool big sis" rather than a mom. Biggest problem with IDW is that she's NOT a cool big sis, she's Debbie Downer.
Rise and 2012 are about equal in terms of lazy writing/worldbuilding, but I let Rise get away with it more since it's primarily a gag-driven show. 2012 pretended to be a legitimate story a lot of the time and if you look at the writing for more than two seconds it utterly fails to stand up to any level of scrutiny.
Nothing from 2012 strike me as especially worse than 2003 (where the world has Superheroes in it except when it's written like it doesn't). Certainly nothing as jarring as Rise's inability to decide if being a mutant is a big life-changing problem or the equivalent of getting a zit.
>I'm hoping IDW Karai and her all of minions drop dead. But I guess it wont be happen. She just become the worst Incarnation of Karai.
She's a VILLAIN. Okay stop pretending that Karai is good or anything. You've been watching that stupid 2012 cartoon again haven't you? Karai is NOT some naive little girl. Much less is she Splinter's daughter. Karai under general circumstances is just a straight up evil woman. That's all she is and no amount of BS like Nick's TMNT or 2k3 with the Muh Honor bullshit will change that. On the latter? Despite being Muh Honor she was more than willing to take advantage of Leo's white knight faggotry to kill him and his brothers in that dark future episode (was so satisfying when April killed her).
But yeah, IDW Karai is evil. She's a villain it is part of her role as a villain. A villain doesn't need to be likable, a villain doesn't need to be someone you root for, etc. A villain is simply there to be fought and defeated by the heroes. And Karai is frankly doing a much better job than many of the other foes in this comic series. I do want to see her fail and die for her crimes. I like villains that are horrible characters. However, the only thing that ruins villains like this is the writing excusing them and allowing them to live. Karai better not survive this comic series. She has to die. She better die along with her minions.
And if I'm honest Alopex deserves to die as well. She was Shredder's personal favorite assassin (remember her Micro Issue about she killing deserters of the Foot Clan who were begging her not to kill them?). Now Alopex is a hypocrite who abandoned the foot and merrily lives like a happy go lucky oh so nice bimbo. Yo bitch, you're living a life that would have necessitated your death. God I hate Alopex and I hate this whole "Got a new fur mask so now I'm a totally new person who is innocent of all previous crimes tee-hee!"
>What could have been done better in 2003?
People say 2003 has great writing but I can't get past the character designs, music, or voice acting.
> In 2012?
More background models. Better writing after the first two seasons. Less mutants. There's a lot 2012 could've done better but I appreciate it for really getting me into the franchise.
>The movie?
Which one? They have their flaws but I honestly love the Michael Bay films.
>How much would need to be done better about Rise for it to stop sucking?
Rise is amazing, we just need less filler episodes.
Tiger Claw was recruited by the Shredder after he found out about the turtles, before that they had never worked together.
Mate, in Mirage, 2003, and 2012, Karai may have been a villain, but she wasn't the sort of villain that would cackle wildly about killing children. You can have antagonists that don't grind up the bones of innocents to make bread. In Mirage she even went of on an atonement pilgrimage and was considered "goodish enough" that Casey boinked her. Similarly, the 2003 cartoon made her someone that Turtles could maintain an uneasy peace treaty with, even toward being loose allies.
IDW took a look at a character that's been the most "shades of grey" of any big name character in the franchise, and went "what if we make her, like... someone that makes Shredder look decent."
Throw in what they did to Bishop and they just seem to be wasting characters that have produced great stories in the past.
Meant to just list Mirage and 2003. My point was that 2012 was just building on the "she's not ALL bad" stuff that came before. IDW is the one sticking out like a sore thumb.
>IDW took a look at a character that's been the most "shades of grey" of any big name character in the franchise, and went "what if we make her, like... someone that makes Shredder look decent."
Well you're wrong there. Shredder has no problems murdering children. And Karai also doesn't care, she will happily kill children all the same. It's a family hereditary trait in this continuity. And let's face it, even before Shredder was born, that family bloodline had a lot of evil murderers in there.
It works for certain effect which is clearly what the panel is aiming for. Plus the center panel has a background.
>Throw in what they did to Bishop and they just seem to be wasting characters that have produced great stories in the past.
I really don't like how Bishop murdered his own father (just to make sure Hob stays suspiciously innocent and morally grey instead of the evil human hater that he is). Bishop now is a man who wants to defend humanity but also doesn't value human life either given he can kill his own family just like that, how can I take him seriously? If he so easily murders family and inoffensive family at that, he's just a piece of shit.
Man, you and I are total opposites in that regard. I like April being kind of a loser but the boys don't get this because her, as an attractive woman who's connected to the outside world and experienced in stuff they're not so well versed in, she's the coolest thing to these four kids. Its like when you're in high school and someone knows a guy in their 20's or has an older brother and they can get you beer and weed and find cool parties even though they themselves work a dead end job and live in a shithole, they seem cool to you because they can do things you can't. But, well, a PG version of that.
Casey is amore pure version of this and April being loser herself is never really touched upon.
>People say 2003 has great writing but I can't get past the character designs,
Whats wrong with the character designs? They're pretty generic action cartoon but not particularly bad.
>Nothing from 2012 strike me as especially worse than 2003
2003 was borderline autistic about its continuity. You're seriously comparing the superheroes in 2003 to the fundamental continuity failures in 2012? Get the fuck out of here.
>They're pretty generic action cartoon but not particularly bad.
That's probably why I don't like them. Not a fan of action cartoons.
I mean, I was asking for examples, user. Yeah, 2012 has flaws. I'm not sure what flaws are egregiously worse than, for example, the way 2012 had Superman-types that never showed up when they would be of use. Not putting 2012 on a pedestal, just raising an eyebrow at your insistence that Rise and 2012 are both equally bad at a consistent world, and also Rise should get a pass for being labeled "comedy," so 2012 is somehow uniquely bad.
Dude. Did you not read City at War? That was her entire character arc. She was sick of the constant craziness in her life so she moved to California with her sister, then she realized that normal life is boring and empty and she missed her surrogate family so she went back. It's only with the turtles, Splinter and Casey that she felt like she truly belonged.
Having just reread the issue you're posting from... Splinter was about to drop out of her life entirely without so much as a goodbye when she did her heartfelt "you're like a second father to me" speech to some bushes she suspected he was hiding in. And he'd never really acted like a second father.
April O'Neil, the turtles (hot, female) human friend was a good idea and Eastman and Laird knew it. That said, she was definitely never the literary highpoint of the book, and it's no wonder that she's the character that gets changed the most in the other comics, movies, and toons.
Never forget, Laird struggled with her so much he thought "drawing brought to life" was a good idea.
I will try to keep this as brief as possible.
>Character arcs/relationships
These were incredibly inconsistent and changed whenever it suited the writers. What was Donnie and April's relationship? Were they a couple? Did April turn Donnie down? Did she lead him on to not hurt his feelings? It depends on what episode you're watching.
>Copouts/Subplots that led nowhere
Mutagen Man went absolutely nowhere after being prominently shown for many episodes. Mikey accidentally created anti-mutagen so the turtles could save NYC from the Kraang, but the writers did it that way so that the turtles wouldn't have any anti-mutagen afterwards so it would still be rare.
>The turtles are fucking assholes
How many times were people put in danger because of the stupidity and negligence of the turtles? April's dad, and really the entirety of season 2 was the turtles' fault. Also the turtles being fucking dicks to Lord Dregg eventually lead to his invading Earth.
>Miscellaneous
The reason Splinter's death didn't have any weight is because they'd teased it twice before. By the time they actually pulled the trigger the audience had been conditioned to not care.
The lack of originality in the show is astounding. If you disregard Tiger Claw, just about everything in the show is a callback to a previous TMNT iteration or something in 80s pop culture. The show didn't have a single original idea in its head.
This is all off the top of my head. I watched the entire show and I could write a fucking dissertation if I wanted to. The show was brilliant every once in a while, but really shoddy writing kept it from being anything above decent.
>"It's a world a lot like ours, but with secret ninja clans, and secret monsters, and secret lost civilizations, and secret aliens. Oh! And also superheroes are real there."
It feels like its the same guy complaining about superheroes in 2k3. You know that comes from Mirage, right? 2k3 tried to appear gritty but it never really tried to be 100% real world. There's a giant Japanese ninja building in the middle of new york.Just because it didn't go pure surreal like the 80's show doesn't mean it was supposed to be realistic.
Also, bog-standard is still better than most TMNT media, that's why.
>The turtles are fucking assholes
Already that's all I need to know you're full of it.
W-why are you in this thread then?
2003 always erred on the side of science fiction since that was always Laird's favorite part of TMNT. Eastman was the one that preferred the street level violence, which is why he wrote all the original Mirage Raphael/Casey stories.
If Paramount and Nickelodeon Movies would announces for a hand-drawn animated movie about the Ninja Turtles with the original old school style, it could happen soon.
I don't think we're using the term "worldbuilding" the same way. I don't use that to talk about whether nor not plot-threads are resolved in a satisfying way, or how well-done the characterization feels. I'm just talking about basic rules of the world. Are there robots? Will people freak out if they see a monster? Aliens: are they real?
Rise cannot make up its mind about how accepted "monsters" can hope to be by humans. Repo Mantis even runs a business where he interacts with humans regularly. None of the people who got turned into mutants seems especially bothered by it (Bull Hop got over it pretty fast). Meanwhile the whole supposed plot rests on the Yokai needing to stay hidden, which Baron Draxum hates. That's the writers not being on the same page about how their world works. The other stuff you pointed at for 2012, like characterizations being inconsistent, show up in Rise too. But the basic rules of the world were something the writers agreed on. Being turned into a mutant was shitty and you couldn't easily go out in public. Pretty straightforward.
The turtles being "assholes" (like all teenagers can be sometimes) isn't a failure of the staff to be on the same page.
Man I'm just sick of pussified Raphael. I get there's only so much you can do in a cartoon for kids but the way he's being written these days is just the worst. 2012 and Rise turned him into a teddy bear. I hate it.
He's defaulted to being not-that-bad ever since he saw Casey and went "whoah, this guy is nuts!" An entire issue from the early days spent showing Raph running around after a vigilante and yelling "not so rough, you'll REALLY hurt someone!" Mind you, Casey was crazier than a shithouse rat in that issue, but still.
You asked for 2012's flaws in the post I linked, not about worldbuilding specifically. But since you asked, what the hell.
2012 was terrible at showing how the world at large reacted to the craziness of the mutant/ninja shit, which many times became very public. I mean hell, there was a literal alien invasion of New York, not even getting into the many normal citizens that had their lives permanently altered by exposure to the mutagen. The show's focus was extremely insular and never deviated from its core group of weirdos so we never got a sense of what impact they made on the world they were always trying to save.
2003 Agent Bishop is a fucking brilliant character because he's a direct response to all the crazy fucking shit that had happened up to that point. He and his group of black-op government guys represented the normal world striking back and getting involved in the craziness. And there were lots of little moments like that, like petty criminals getting alien weaponry on the black market. We never saw politicians debating about aliens or anything but we saw just enough, from the turtles' perspective, to understand that their actions did have an impact and the world was changing around them as a result.
Because I love TMNT.
>How many times were people put in danger because of the stupidity and negligence of the turtles? April's dad, and really the entirety of season 2 was the turtles' fault.
And they got shit on for that, their relation with April was almost destroyed and they created a shit ton of mutants they had to contain.
Ninjara knows
Anyone else feel bad for the silverfish?
They woke up one day, cursed with intelligence.
All they want to do is eat - not even eat PEOPLE or anything that bad, they'll stick to trash.
And they got eaten by Meat Sweats, while the turtles don't give a fuck about these poor creatures that never asked for any of this bullshit.
>The original concept was never that great, and Mirage never really came together into something with a strong and coherent story.
>At a certain point you have to admit that the quality is never going to be amazing because the whole thing was held together by the duct tape of "looks neat" from day one.
I love this franchise but I can't really disagree with you, its a very fair assessment.
Fuck off.
>Don't have a full on alien invasion, don't go to space.
Even outside of figuring out what to do with April, this should be true. Every series always goes downhill when it comes to space and aliens.
2003 handled it well I thought.
Riiiiiight up to the Shredder revelation.
But breaking into the Utroms' place, and running around with Fugitoid? The Tricerators? That was a blast.
Who's the best 5th Turtle?
I think they fucked up with 2012 April. Her needing the turtles to help find her dad was fine, but it turned to shit when she became a psychic super ninja mutant and surrogate for Splinter's daughter. It felt contrived and at some point she just became boring and annoying. I think Rise April works much better with her being a loser that hangs out with the turtles because she genuinely loves them and their her best friends.
I also loved the concept of Michael Bay April.
Archie Slash, savior of universes. When the fuck did April look like that?
And Mona isn't a turtle.
I haven't watched 2003 TMNT so maybe they did, I wouldn't know
>and Shredder having a magnet suit was just stupid.
that shit was cool as fuck
one of my favorite things to come from the Bay movies
Zach.
Sentence: Banishment.
Seconded
>Memes and sincere narrative don't mix.
Have you not seen the show?
Not sure, She did get turned into a turtle in the Archive comics, but looked identical to the others barring wearing a white bandana.
I think its pretty funny
EVERYBODY ON THE GROUND.
THIS THREAD IS NOW UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE CROOKED NINJA TURTLE GANG
It's doing poorly, so he's far from the only one to come to that conclusion. They should've either done a comedic-tone version of the usual TMNT stuff, or gone for their radical departure personalities/origins. Doing both at once was just a bad idea.
Why does everyone have weird skeleton mouths?
Easily the worst incarnation of the turtles.
This, I like salt and pepper capable splinter.
Huh. I never even thought to include it in that kind of talk. I guess?
>Raphael is just a complete bitch and it’s unfun seeing him whine
>Leonardo is a complete asshole for some reason
>Donatello and Michelangelo feel like afterthoughts
>suddenly April is a ninja which would be fine because this is standalone at first glance but in the trophy room there’s the Time Scepter, TGRI mutagen, and Shredder’s mask which implies this is the same universe as the original films
>how the fuck do the turtles even get jobs
>the plot is ridiculous even for mutant ninja reptiles fighting ninjas involving prophecies, the 13 monsters, and stone warriors
Even if it’s not that bad, it’s not very good.
>>how the fuck do the turtles even get jobs
The Great Recession hadn't hit when the movie was written, it still seemed like getting a job was doable for people.
To be fair while not quite a pacifist 1990 at least gave don a personality
He couldn’t really interact well with his brothers until the end and he had organically displayed his intellect through obscure references and pointing out the antique store couldn’t take that many people
He also bounced off Michelangelo well
Plus he’s kind of a fuckin asshole
>don’t worry, I came prepared!
Funny enough I remember Laird saying it was his second favorite movie, somewhere on his website.
Green lovers come rescue me
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I hope the artist made no money from that.
what have you got against marc m?
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I loved Raph and Leo in 2007. It was the last time Raph had some legitimate edge to him, and his beef with Leo felt really personal because Leo was playing into it instead of trying to take the high ground.
>"I'm better than you"
That's such a good line. Does he really think that or was he just trying to hurt Raph's feelings? It works both ways.
Guy who posted here and that’s one of my major problems, I feel like, considering since this is the fourth film in the universe, after everything they’ve been through, Leonardo would never say this
For all the oddly good convo and debate on TMNT having flaws or narrative incoherence baked into its base concept, I always also took it being the literal comics equivalent of the kitchen sink was also paradoxically one of its strongest points.
Mirage volume 1, Tales volume 1, and the slew of specials, mini-series, and one-shot issues in anthology books together still makes a fantastic overall narrative of a cycle of revenge. Even if it's being done through, well.... teenage mutant ninja turtles. And yet all the weird shit flung at or they flung into never felt unfun or out-of-character at all, because you start off with said literal TMNT with a crazy comic-book sci-fi origin as the driving characters. That whole production is still one of my favorite set of comics ever.
It's a soft sequel, if anything. I feel like they just didn't want to do the origin and Shredder again. There's a cute nod to the old movies at the end but they never explicitly say it's a sequel to the 90's movies.
It's best to just judge it on its own. It's a cool movie with awesome animation and surprisingly good character drama with a fucking ridiculous and unnecessarily complicated plot.
Yeah, agreed entirely. Eastman and Laird are super humble guys and would never put on airs about such a ridiculous concept, but there's more baked into TMNT than even they give it credit for. The themes of family, revenge, honor, and the neutral-good nature of the turtles themselves are all there from the very beginning. And Volume 1 itself (the Eastman/Laird content) is a very solidly executed story with a beginning, middle and end. They restore their honor by confronting and killing Shredder, but it isn't until they broker peace with the Foot and end their blood feud that they can finally live in peace.
2003: Voice acting. Theme song. Better humor too. Not do what they did with Shredder.
2012: Not make Mikey an annoying drooling mouthbreather. Make a better Casey. Not go to space for half a season. Pull the trigger sooner with things instead of prolonging something or going back to square one.
Rise: Everything. No like.
>sequel hints at the return of Shredder
>5 people saw the movie so it’ll never fucking happen
It came out just a few months before the Stock Market crashed. The shittiness of the movie and subsequent box office disappointment was a key factor. Prove otherwise.
I wish the 2k3 main Shredder was the Demon and Ch'rell came later, so the original/real Oroku Saki has a bigger role overall
They made him an alien in the first place so he could pick up his severed head but magic works just as well
Dude, I got so hype when I saw this poster. I don't know if it was just done by a member of the production staff for fun or it was a legitimate pitch but damn man.
>everyone but Michelangelo is unmutated
Yikes, I dunno if I could’ve stomached an hour and a half of michelangelo
Dude.
Or give Ch'rell a separate human identity to have him interact with Tengu from the start. IIt would be playing the Krang-type kinda straight though. Then after Tengu is dispelled or whatever, Shredder shows up but it's Ch'rell.
>we got a sequel to the 2014 movie but not this
Rise April is just a bad colorswap of Irma. Deal with it.
As frustrated as I was that we never got resolution to Donnie and April, I thought it was pretty obvious that she wasn't sure of her feelings herself but was moving in the direction of liking him, spending more time hanging out with him in the final two seasons. I'm baffled anyone could watch any episode and think she had turned him down or was just not saying anything to avoid hurting his feelings.
>at some point April will get a turtle dicking
Rest In Peace vagina
Eh, it had a good run.
From the music video I'd always figured that the staff had decided that they should end up a couple and Ciro was holding off on it because he wanted to do it in the sequel movie. The one he still insists he'll be able to make.
There's literally an episode in season 5 where Raph is missing Mona Lisa and he gets frustrated watching his brothers in their relationships. Donnie and April are all over each other. There's no linear progression to their relationship, it's just what's needed in each episode.
Rise is making people nostalgic for 2012. He might get the movie yet.
>when the fuck did april look like that?
Never, which is actually semi surprising to me considering everything the cartoon got up to.
>Laird struggled with her so much he thought "drawing brought to life" was a good idea.
Laird struggled with Splinter, too, which is why in Mirage v4 he had him basically stand around saying vaguely Zen sounding things and doing fuck-all for like a dozen issues, then Laird threw up his hands and had the old guy just croak so he could write a big weepy funeral and then be rid of the problem.
>raph is boom knuckles
Fucking wrong, only one instance portrays him as being super aloof in the entire show
>splinter is abusive
He's a lazy sack of shit and regularly shows affection towards the dudes
>donnie sociopath
He's more of cocky narcissist than anything regularly praising his handiwork and pride in his machines
>all the characters are assholes
4 episodes show them doing selfish shit but they almost always do the we are a family lets work together a ndd win quote
Where did you get this?
I'll say it's decent it's far from boring shit like Hilda and non cohesive shit like rwby and it's potholes are very few, it's a monster of the week set up show for the most part and solely plot driven episodes still have a level of comedy to them (see fish and ladders episode, splinter figuring out the resurrection plot episode, and footclan side notes at the end of the early episodes) nothing is so completely out there that it actively destroys the watchabilty of the show
I wanna say you're a shitposter but I'm not too sure, what's your thoughts on sneed?
You anti-Rise fags are obnoxious as fuck.
There's a lot to dissect here, but my main takeaway is that you think the most notable trait of Sonic Boom's Knuckles was that he was "aloof" and not "the dumbest musclehead alive."
Also you think a guy that we're told LITERALLY NEVER HUGGED HIS KIDS UNTIL ONE OF THESE EPS is a fine father. I mean, it's a comedy, but we can still say that the joke apparently is that he's a shitty shitty father.
Simple facts, user. 2003 and 2012 were huge toy-sellers and we know that 2012 was a ratings behemoth for the first couple seasons: tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com
Rise is underperforming in comparison. That's not opinion, it's fact. The ratings its pulling in wouldn't be too bad if this wasn't a major franchise with a history of doing way better. For a first season debut, its not on the trajectory Nick would have wanted. I don't see it lasting nearly as long as the 2012 series, and it's entirely possible (although __DEFINITELY__ not likely) Nick might consider doing a movie with the previous version. If Rise had done better they probably wouldn't want to dilute the Rise brand. The worse Rise does, the better the odds of them deciding "fuck it" and doing a little more with the 2012 universe.
Frankly I'd love to see 2003 get some love, but that would be damn hard at this point.
Rise is getting a Netflix movie. It was announced like a month or two in.
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Do hugs and kisses give a show "heart," Yea Forums?
Yeah, I know. They threw a lot at this take, expecting it to be as successful as the previous versions.
It's still underperforming.
Damn, Netflix will greenlight anything.
A running gag is that Splinter doesn't know his sons' names. Them being emotionally starved for affection is kinda something that keeps getting brought up as a plot point, hugs be damned.
I remember once Michelangelo and splinter had this exchange In the first episode
>hey we wanna be ninjas like Lou jitsu
>HAHAHAHAHA NICE TRY
Later it’s revealed splinter is Lou Jitsu so that’s even more fucked up
Who insults their child for them wanting to be like him
It was a deal when they were just warming up and thought that Rise might just be a bit of a late bloomer. But it's struggling and you can't un-green-light a netflix movie.
Rise is the Teen Titans Go of TMNT.
GO is waaaay more popular even now.
This. Every ep I've tried to watch had Splinter being a douche to his own sons.
I don't think that is the aspect of GO that user was inferring to.
What is hard about adapting April into becoming more of a detective or private eye? Hell being the finger with her pulse on society or having her ear to the ground on street-level to inform the turtles of the common threats of New York. No matter the situation the turtles are still as mortal as April but she is not a martial artist. April should always be carrying.
You could easily make her an investigative journalist who does the same thing.
Archie did.
>What could have been done better in 2003?
Ditch season 6 and 7. Make season 5 longer.
Baysed
>Ditch season 6 and 7. Make season 5 longer.
somehow gotta salvage the Bishop and Baxter stuff though. That was okay.
Adventures April was best April
>Became a freelance journalist
>First April to became a ninja
>Beautiful as fuck when it was drawn by Chris Allan.
Don't forget redesign the dragon form. Western Dragon look so stupid.
Seconding this.
An interesting artstyle, but odd enough it works pretty well
>tfw Raphael is your favorite turtle, and he's always the main character in the movies
Reminds me of those Italian Donald Duck comics.
>There comes a point in every boring woman's life where she should really be going "I need new friends, these ones keep nearly getting me killed."
fify
>love the Bay films
Why? Legit asking since they were pretty bad outside of the Turtles banter and action scenes. Splinter vs Shredder is still the hypest fight from action movies that year
The older I get, the more I appreciate Donatello in that film. He doesn't shine like Michaelangelo, but he provides the support for Mikey to shine. Their chemistry is perfect. He also has great chemistry with Casey. The scene in the barn where they are running through the alphabet using insults is pure kino. Most of his lines are pretty memorable, too.
Same. I also like how he's sort of an outcast in his own group, and wrench monkey Donnie will ALWAYS be better than super scientist Donnie who can make interdimensional portals using trash cans and pizza boxes.
2012 ratings were plummeting during it's last years of showing like most shows nowadays. They aren't bringing it back even if they did cancel Rise. We're more likely to back to the "action cartoons dont sell anymore" period, again.
and he always get the girls
Imagine enjoying Riffrax in 2019.
Raph has a Harem
>Leo BTFO
Why do TMNT threads need to go into a gay incestual place?
From what I heard that was a fan art sent in to the studio.
*A white girl
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They clearly didn't all agree on that.
And the very original April they're all based on, Eastman's girlfriend, was mixed.
Well when you used to be a world famous rich action star that had a different woman on your arm every night and an ego the size of the solar system you're gonna be pretty shitty at showing actual affection.
Are we making excuses for shitty parents now?
Just saying it makes sense.
Contextually though, user was saying that the claims about Rise being emotionally fucked up and a terrible family are false, because, um, there's pictures of the boys hugging.
Meanwhile there was a whole ep devoted to how Splinter had never hugged them. And in another ep he mocked them for dreaming of being as skilled as he had been. And he doesn't remember their names. And... so on.
Him being a movie star might offer some context there, but back to the original point... this is a shitty un-family version of the turtle family.
>Watch the episode where they have to return the tape on time
>They get super hyped about promised hugs
>Laugh and think it's cute
>Later realise it's because they're starved for affection from their dad
Pacifism Donnie just doesn't stick out when standing next to his brothers' personalities. He doesn't even stand out as the philosopher, what with Mikey often doing things like composing poetry and Leo trying to live by a code of honor.
Best Donnies were the awkward trying-to-be-cool-but-not-getting-it Donnie of the movie, and the anxious overthinking nerd Donnie of 2012.
Same
>Rise is getting a Netflix movie.
Fucking seriously? How do you get a movie when your ratings are iffy at best and you're not moving merch?
Leo had to suck a lot of dick
HE WAS GOING TO DO THAT ANYWAY!
Sure, but you might as well get a movie deal out of it.
So are there any female animals you wish would get introduced into TMNT?
Also Hob is an idiot, he wants animals to take over, but he only mostly has male animals and of different species. They won't reproduce. And suppose Hob mutates females and gets his army, where is he going to keep an army of animal mutants? That city is going to find out and he can't keep an army hidden.
Nick greenlights TMNT whenever it can, 2012 had multiple seasons greenlit before the previous one had even begun, they probably thought it was going to be a success
Ever since Stephen Murphy did his Merpeople issue (the only guest writer that Laird calls canon), a bit part of the Turtles' whole story is "the species ends here." No kids. Maybe more mutants through mutating further animals/people, but I don't see any mating happening.
Shit, even if they had a "breeding pair" of the same species, there's just not enough genetic variety for it to be morally defensible to have kids. Talk about inbreeding...
Make way for cutest Splinter.
How did we go from the absolute best design for her too the worst.
Indeed, make way for him. Get that shit out of the way.
I mean, 2003 is a step down but that's a harsh way of putting it.
Can we please bring this character back and wrap up his story arc of just what his deal was. And no, I don't want that female wingless version. A guy who had the ability to effortlessly wipe the floor with the Turtles that would make Shredder jealous deserves a spotlight.
Nobody tell him.
Remember where you are
Male main recurring characters:
Leonardo, Donatello, Raphael, Michelangelo, Splinter, Shredder, Casey Jones
Female main recurring characters-
April O'Neil
GOSH, I WONDER WHY tHiS kEEpS gETtING gAy.
I swear, it's like watching Transformer fans shocked that their boys keep getting shipped. You make your series a sausagefest, it turns gay very quickly.
I'm glad we're in agreement on cutest Splinter. But you shouldn't be too hard on 2012 Splinter he can hang around too if he wants.
>sausagefest
...they're robots
2012 Splinter isn't the cutest, he's the hottest
>2012 Donnie
>best
Discarded
>Rise Splinter washing the boys
Why not draw him breathing in space, it's about as likely.
>They're robots
And? Just ask Elita-One if that means there's no such thing as boy robots and girl robots. Probably shouldn't have stuck robot beards on a bunch of them if we weren't meant to see any genders there.
Ehhh, not exactly. TF makes it very clear that they're biological life, so I don't really mind there being male and female Cybertronians.
It's when they start pairing up romantically that I start getting annoyed. Cybertronians don't reproduce so there's really no reason for them to have sex drives or families in the same sense that we do.
So what you're saying is that the people complaining there's too much gayness in the IDW comics are being silly, because there's no such thing as boy or girl robots?
Feel free to post cute Splinter pics, user.
Fact that EVERYONE is a Super Fanboy of his in the show is a riot.
One of my favorite gags in the show.
>Oven mitts because Raph's a biter
Heh
Rise Raph would have looked a fuckton better if he was just a closer size to the others. He could have still been the biggest but he throws the visual balance off when three of the turtles are similar in size, and then Raph is as wide as all of them combined. Then he just looks out of place unless he's standing in the middle of them.
Alligator snapping turtles are big motherfuckers. Plus I like how his brothers climb all over him and it doesn't bother him at all.
>I like something about Rise
They do say that confessing your sins can be good for you.
I generally like Rise even if it could be a lot better.
The size only looks alright in those instances though. When he's standing to the side he just looks untenably awkward. There's no reason they had to adhere to the realism of their species 100%, you can get the point across without making a behemoth. I've learned to accept it but I still consider it a mistake.
I've only seen a few eps of Rise so maybe this is unfair, but what strikes me about it is the way they kept doubling down on targeting JUST the youngest viewers. Obviously some older fans still like it, but they had to know that a lot of the changes they made would rub older fans the wrong way, and it feels kinda like they're just in a cycle of doubling down on that.
Artistically I can support that, even if I dislike the results. I just seems odd that Viacom was okay with them putting all the eggs in one basket in terms of targeting demographics.
About as well as can be expected then. Okay, thanks.
I assume toy sales are the real reason Viacom even wants tmnt. It's the reason any big media corporation would want it. With plummeting tv viewership (especially from anyone older than 7) they have to double down on appealing to the toy-buying age group even if it forsakes everyone else. Milk the profits before television dies completely and all that. It makes me wonder how different the original vision for Rise was from whatever Nick decided it had to be.
Wasn't she also the first 5th turtle?
Not sure if that happened before or after Venus, but it was a one-issue thing so meh.
>wish these characters into the IDW TMNT universe
Shinigami
Gosei Hattori
Radical
Complete Carnage
Go-Komodo
King Komodo
Shadow
I think before and even then eh, it's something.
>tfw all these franchises are getting edgelord grimdark reboots except the one where it would actually be appropriate
>Trying to be stealthy
>Raph's screaming like an asshole
Hob isn't making mutants silly, he's rescuing them from labs. He's not concerned with future generations so much as saving mutants in danger right now, and stopping the people trying to use and abuse them.
I would be amazed if he wasn't also trying to figure out some way of making more for future generations.
>Alligator snapping turtles are big motherfuckers
That's Slash's thing, though, why would you give his thing to Raphael? What is Rise Slash supposed to do when he appears?
Wasn't the original vision like not a TMNT show at all, until the network told 'em "we can't sell something that doesn't have a brand attached, but lucky for you, we own this ninja turtle thing, so if you just rework it a bit..."
Raph's biological father who is not mutated.
Robots do not have gender and thus do not know love.
how the fuck is that image 2.23 MB?
I gotta say two issues in, I like the way they've handled Jennika-turtle so far.
I imagine he's thinking about it, but he's got a lot on his table already. There are a ton of mutants being experimented on in Null corp labs and elsewhere.
Classic Raph!
I mean, Eastman and Laird made their little comic but AGGRESSIVELY pushed for toys, toons, and whatnot, putting together a press package and trying to get it everywhere. The original vision was "let's make a comic" followed two minutes later by "let's franchise the fuck out of this baby!"
Tell that to the guys that gave Optimus a girlfriend practically from the start.
I suppose, but I don't see how that relates to network guy saying "yeah, babe, I love your ideas and your energy, but I can't sell that "original idea" shit, so make them all ninja turtles instead and we're golden!"
What? Where did you hear this? There was a video interview somewhere that said Nick approached a bunch of people for their take on the turtles, and went with Suriano and Ward because they both had nearly identical ideas.
Some fellow TMNT fan, so I suppose it's bullshit then. That's why I asked, really.
youtube.com
Yeah here's the video. The way they talk about tmnt gave the impression that they had a sincere respect for it. But I think something went terribly wrong with the way they're handling the new series. Makes me wonder if it's Nick's influence or not.
That's a fucking funny way to show love.
I don't think they could blame executive meddling for basic shit like "do mutants need to hide?"
Sure, but even then they gambled 100% on kids being into the toys and show, assuming that there was no need to keep around older fans that had liked previous versions. A gamble that the too-young-to-care-about-other-versions demographic was all that mattered.
And again, artistically I support that. I just think it's weird as fuck that Viacom thought it was the way to go, since Viacom is way more about the Benjamins than the art.
I mean fuck them for not caring enough to monitor the consistency of their own show yeah. But I meant stuff like the writers they can pick from or how they're able to format their stories may or may not be controlled by their Viacom overlords. Then again I don't know, I wish I did so I can decide whether it's the creators themselves or Nick I should be most pissed at.
I think it was a pretty safe gamble to make when it's significantly harder to please older fans. It takes way less effort to appeal to kids who don't care than to adults that do. And effort is money
This image right here sums up how far pop culture has degraded and exactly how toxic PC culture can be to creativity.
Jesus Christ, this should be featured in textbooks when future cultures look back on how America imploded after the 2020 election.
Uh huh.
What the hell are you talking about
He's angry that SJWs turned April white.
Meanwhile the woman that April was based on was of mixed heritage and that was reflected in Eastman's art. The toons just skewed for making her whiter until the pendulum swung the other way.
that's the guy who forced that inane "jennika is LITERALLY a tranny OC" hoax and either writes or does art for cringeworthy trump parody comics
lmao
And?
What's your point? We know who the character is based on, we know she was of mixed heritage. No, she was never "black black blackity black," she was however based on a woman of mixed heritage and likely had that in mind when drawing her. The cartoons usually leaned into ignoring that in favor of her being just white. New version goes for black. It really doesn't matter, but anyone saying "Eastman wanted her to be an Aryan goddess" is as wrong as anyone going "Eastman wanted her to be a Nubian Queen."
Writes. Which is more pathetic. Looking at the previews I have no idea how it needs to be a two-man operation.
Wait really? I only knew him because he used to make a pretty good timeline for the IDW comic, he never really seemed against Campbell though
He's done a decent job of not shitting where he eats, but his twitter is another story. The sort of guy that thinks "Iceman, written with a lisp, because the character is gay now" is PEAK comedy.
Damm, he's even worked on the IDW comic before, i guess i know why he doesn't update his timeline anymore.
Worked on it to a questionable extent. His artist friend did one or two of the variant covers. The Bebop and Rocksteady doing the Back to the Future parody one, I know for sure. He helped... in some way? He's just a writer, his friend does all the art, not sure how he could have helped with a cover. Going "hey, put that in too"?
My point being that when he lists IDW TMNT as a past work, it's not like he got very far in the door.
Yeah, though honestly looking back on his tweets a lot of his comments were decently reasonable, but he put them out in a retarded way that made it so nobody in the book will probably want him involved. Not that he needs it anyway making political parodies is paying off for him somehow.
Look at that motherfucker, how can one man be so cool?
He's a comic fan. Most comic fans are that cool.
Aren't you?
>Most comic fans are that cool.
>April was originally white
Didn't we all know that?
eastman based her off of a mixed race girl
laird always thought of her as a white girl
she's allowed to be both, any dude telling you that she should EXCLUSIVELY be black/white is a nutcase
>"jennika is LITERALLY a tranny OC"
Tranny creates tranny character. Film at 11?
she didn't
some elements of an old OC were taken for an idea she was asked to help create
by a regular-ass white dude
>she
But user, Ross Campbell is a man.
>But user, Ross Campbell is a man.
Yes, but we're talking about SOPHIE Campbell! You see, if you change your name and put on a wig and lipstick, it's as good as changing your DNA!
let's talk about april instead
April is good.
How come the mods don't delete this shitty gay furry shit content?
>Vampire April will never seduce you
>Ross Campbell
Ross? I thought Yea Forums named him "Gross Campbell."
Anyway you know what I don't want to see? Jennika dumping Casey for one of the other turtles. That would just piss me off. I'm not the biggest Casey fan, but let the dude have something decent in his life. Right now he's going to lose because it's City at War that means the heroes HAVE to lose in this arc. April? Doesn't have her anymore. And his father is going to resent him yet again. Just let the young man have some joy in his life.
She's shit. She's shit. She's shit. Should never include her or always include her to kill her off.....not that you can do that because if you EVER kill off April that's considered rape in real life and it's illegal and you WILL get fired and then charged and then sent to prison over a fictional character and don't say that doesn't happen because it has. Innocent men going to jail because of fictional characters.
Because he's the most interesting of them. Leo and Donnie are both boring. Mikey is comedy relief. Raph is the most complex in terms of personality.
The big worry I had was Casey dumping Jennika, see his initial reaction to seeing her new form: But it looks like they're not going that route, and instead doing more of a Romeo/Juliet romance angle with Casey's dad (Hun) disapproving pretty hard of his son dating a freak.
>Mikey is retarded
That's almost entirely a TMNT 2012 thing. And one of my problems with that series.
>And the very original April they're all based on, Eastman's girlfriend, was mixed.
The original April was white and got a perm a few issues in. Which may have been influenced by Eastman's mixed girlfriend's appearance, but April herself was never meant to be black or mixed.
t. Laird
>He's just a dumb angry guy. But since most HUMANS are stupid
>Most humans aren't:
I wonder who is behind this post?!
>"Gross" means "I'm terrified" means "I'm dumb"
That other user might be on to something here.
>I mean, Eastman and Laird made their little comic but AGGRESSIVELY pushed for toys, toons, and whatnot, putting together a press package and trying to get it everywhere. The original vision was "let's make a comic" followed two minutes later by "let's franchise the fuck out of this baby!"
100% false. Eastman and Laird had only done the Paladium tabletop game and some iron-on t-shirts before they were approached by a licensing agent named Mark Freedman. Freedman met Eastman and Laird in person and made his case, which ultimately led to the Playmates toyline and tie-in cartoon.
TMNT was never meant to be anything but a comic. Get your bullshit lies out of my face.
>Ross? I thought Yea Forums named him "Gross Campbell."
You're the only person that says that deleted-kun
Nah, it's a guy that bumps his own threads by posting 'bump' and then deletes the posts after someone has replied to hide the fact that he's bumping his own thread.
A common ploy.
>He can't read deleted posts
It's not bumps, some guy was getting mad about Campbell and talking about how April deserves to be raped
I like how he tried to push that meme and then implied that calling something "gross" means you're afraid of it and stupid. I would delete my posts in shame, too, if I did that.
>His own thread
As the OP, I can say with happiness that I'm not that retard. I'm more on the "I haven't read enough stuff by Campbell to have a firm opinion on Campbell's writing. Great character designs though" end of things.
Are they being stalked by the Predator?
Tbh I've actually liked most of Campbell's work on IDW TMNT so far. The Leonardo macroseries issue was really great and I'm hoping it's what his work is going to be like on the main series.
Earth Protection Force and Agent Bishop, actually. The cam shows mutants only, which is probably why Bishop wants to talk to Hun.
I've liked most of it, but didn't care for the stuff with Allopex and Angel...
But honestly Angel just annoys me in general (she's almost a photocopy of Casey, but with Iron Man armor that seems like a bad fit for the book), and Allopex hasn't felt right in aaaaaages.
IDW TMNT has a ton of neat ideas that just aren't followed up on at all. Nobody and Alopex as crimefighters is a neat idea. The Mutanimals waging a secret war against the military industrial complex is a neat idea. A pantheon of higher beings using mortals as their living chess pieces is a neat idea. But the book either doesn't feel it has the time to really dig into this stuff or Waltz doesn't give this stuff any thought beyond "Wouldn't it be cool if..."
Honestly I'd be fine with it Waltz just devoted a year or two to just one idea and really played with it, but because he feels the need to juggle everything at once it all just feels like a muddled mess.
This book is begging for a writer that can execute on Waltz's neat ideas.
That's a big part of why I'm looking forward to Campbell. Hopefully things will slow down enough to just let the characters breathe. There's no way any author but Waltz would try to shove in so many things at once.
Gargoyle's was mediocre and followed the typical Greg Weisman standard of "let's bring up all these mature subjects and intricate plot threads but let's explore them in the most juvenile way while devaluing the main characters' efforts by making the antagonists overly competent to the point of silliness."
2k3 needed better sound editing and a heavily reworked 5th season. Get rid of the Ninja Tribunal shit, keep the Foot Mystics as a frail background threat, bring back the comfy character-based episodes, and work on resolving the plot threads from the previous seasons.
Any TMNT series goes to shit whenever magic or mysticism becomes a main plot point, and 2k3 was no exception to that.
Honestly just cut the 5th season entirely. Milking things with no endpoint in sight is the biggest problem with this whole franchise.
Shit, even when 2012 killed Shredder they were afraid to bite the bullet and decide one way or another about April and Donnie. Even when they DOUBLE-killed him they were still hoping for a movie. Like... fuck guys, just call it a wrap.
You have my sympathy.
"Nobody" was running around the original Mirage comics, iron man armor and all. It's got the grandfather-clause.
Yeah, but... so does "April was a drawing, all along." And "Mikey is a baby daddy and wants to straight-up-murder the mama."
Mirage's stories weren't all winners.
Thanks, I suppose.
Hello there, friend, have you heard the good news about turtle tiddies?
>Greg Weisman standard of "let's bring up all these mature subjects and intricate plot threads but let's explore them in the most juvenile way while devaluing the main characters' efforts by making the antagonists overly competent to the point of silliness."
A small part of me was glad Spectacular Spider-man was cancelled because it looked like the show was heading in that same direction. Too bad Young Justice was that way from the get-go.
Aren't those both Mirage v4? That was Laird's solo brainfart. It was full of dumb stuff that made the Image run he decanonized look smart by comparison.
There were stinkers in a lot of other Mirage stuff too. Once upon a time, a bolt of lightning turned a white dude and a native american woman into avatars of good and evil, pollution and nature. The story kinda went downhill from there.
That was Michael Dooney, dude.
I'm not going to sit here and defend every single story Eastman and Laird did *cough*Unmentionables*cough* but lumping Laird's volume 4 trash in with early Mirage because not every Mirage idea was a grand slam is intellectually dishonest.
Wait a second, are you shit-talking Radical and Complete Carnage?
Well yeah, I know it wasn't Eastman and Laird. I'm just saying "hey, that's been there since the black and white days" doesn't make something a great idea.
Still not sure how I feel about "a bunch of worms ate Shredder and now Shredder is made out of worms." I mean, points for being fucked up...
Always struck me as being a bit on the nose.
I swear, Rise's fans all seem to suffer from the delusion that anyone who doesn't like it doesn't watch it.
This is Yea Forums. We watch things we dislike all the damn time, and then we bitch about them. Like adults.
Sandals or na?
What in the actual fuck man?
Well... doesn't look a lot like her, but it's still a better redesign than when they bleached her and called her Alopex.
And both are shit characters.
Okay fine better?
Sandals or nah?
You're entitled to your opinion. I would argue that you're wrong in the case of Ninjara, because she injected a healthy new viewpoint into the book. While Raph had talked the good talk about being a bad boy (something going back to Mirage, where all in all he was always more bark than bite - still a good amount of bite, but even less than Casey), Ninjara had actually walked the walk and worked with bad guys. Plus she knew how to have fun, and wanted to do so. The grumpy gus with a temper and the more worldly character with a history and a desire to start being a better person. It was a good dynamic, and letting one of the brothers have a relationship that could grow and change was good for the book.
nah
meh. the character of jenny isnt near as bad as made out. wasnt an OC at all
This is a pretty accurate description.
Leave the femturts outta this
They got nothing past the radar they were allowed to do all of that Viacom only had one rule the turtles can’t kill on screen
80s April's rack is too small
What's the bottom left?
I would desu.
thank you user
I think Shredder will defeat the god dragon spirit within him. But the dragon will possession to Karai or Splinter.
wtf
This just makes me love the guy even more. Fuck Jennika and fuck Ross.
she has cute feet
who is she?
A goddess of creation, don’t remember the name. She appeared in Shredder in Hell 4
Dreamer
Anons i dont know what is going in this thread-i just wanted to go to Yea Forums and ask
Am i the only person who likes 2019 show?
seeing every fuckingbody HATING the new show is so depressing. they jerking off the 2003 cartoon and whining about black april and fat splinter all the time.
What the actual fuck
Am i the only person that can accept every TMNT show as a separated one and enjoy them without retarded connection to other shows?
Ehh, some people here like the show, it's ok i guess, though it's funny about how 2012 tried to please the adult audience a lot, while Rise really wants the younger audience.
I like it, but it definitely has its problems. Not enough to warrant the autistic level of rage and hatred it receives, but it could be better.
'12 was really hit or miss for me and then my interested kind of fizzled out after the farm stuff. Still haven't finished it and I probably never will.
>it's funny about how 2012 tried to please the adult audience a lot, while Rise really wants the younger audience.
>Am i the only person that can accept every TMNT show as a separated one and enjoy them without retarded connection to other shows?
i guess i am
its not awesome but its better than 2012 show definitely. 2012 had ugly designs and 3D animation that will definitely be outdated soon.
The new show has fantastic neon colors feel and nice sharp forms.
Guuez user i was just pointing stuff out, it's hard to talk about a reboot without talking about previous reboots, the connections are pretty obvious and hard to ignore
>the connections are pretty obvious and hard to ignore
>Am i the only person that can accept every TMNT show as a separated one and enjoy them without retarded connection to other shows?
It's not that difficult user...please try to be smarter.
>Am i the only person that can accept every TMNT show as a separated one and enjoy them without retarded connection to other shows?
You can't reboot something and ignore every other attempt, if they didn't want comparasions they shouldn't have made it a TMNT show.
My problems with it don't like in the designs or the animation, but in the format and and the writing.
>like
*lie
>its not awesome but its better than 2012 show definitely. 2012 had ugly designs and 3D animation that will definitely be outdated soon.
The new show has fantastic neon colors feel and nice sharp forms.
>Am i the only person that can accept every TMNT show as a separated one and enjoy them without retarded connection to other shows?
I guess you're not the only person because not even you can do that.
>You can't reboot something and ignore every other attempt,
I can.
I love every Splinter. the previous splinter was tall and wise. This Splinter is goofy and short. They both awesome.
Im one a one dimentional autist.
Please dont tell me that you dislike TMNT for writing but at the same time you enjoy crap like Duck Tales reboot or Star VS Forces of eevil
Its just a regular modern cartoon writing with humour based episodes/fillers
>I guess you're not the only person because not even you can do that.
i just told that i disliked the 2012 show designs autismo.
I didnt said "i dislike 2012 show designs because 2003 show designs were BETTER than 2012 show designs"
Do you even use your brain?
>Please dont tell me that you dislike TMNT for writing but at the same time you enjoy crap like Duck Tales reboot or Star VS Forces of eevil
Haven't watched either and I didn't say I disliked the show
>Its just a regular modern cartoon writing with humour based episodes/fillers
Maybe, but it could be more than that. As it stands it just feels too breakneck and aloof and it never lets itself settle or get a little serious and let the characters grow. That's why I think it could benefit from half hour format instead of 15 minutes.
Plus it seems pretty inconsistent with mutants and their presence in society at large. Do they hide, not hide, how aware is the public, do they care, etc?
I don't think it should go full grimdark but it just feels like nothing really matters or has any consequence. Everything's played for laughs and if that's what they're going for then they can, but it wears thin for me after a while.
Again, I like the show for the most part, and I like a lot of the changes, but there are just things that I don't like and that dampens some enjoyment.
Then again I haven't gotten around to watching it since the truffle episode so maybe it's changed.
You compared 2012's animation to rise's dumbass, that's making a connection between to shows, think before you speak next time and use YOUR brain.
Holy shit this Ninjara looks cute, like she's straight out of Animaniacs or Sabrina-Online
Was Kirby ever canon?
Yeah, make him like the one from Teen Titans Go, and make him super small, but still can fight like a master and talk and all that, and I can them making him cute for as joke
one of the few times a writer other than her creator wrote her too
Yes, alas. See: April, drawing.
I think he was talking about Kirby the Fifth Turtle from the proposed TMNT 4 live-action movie that didn't happen. Kirby King (yeah, that's actually his last name) is the human guy based on Jack Kirby that used a magic crystal to draw stuff into reality.
As for the Kirby turtle, he got reworked into Venus De Milo for the Next Mutation TV series (that used discarded ideas from the 4th movie). He's not really "canon" I guess since he never appeared in anything beyond concept art, but he did inspire a different terrible character.
>implying Mirage v4 is canon
>Please dont tell me that you dislike TMNT for writing but at the same time you enjoy crap like Duck Tales reboot or Star VS Forces of eevil
>Its just a regular modern cartoon writing with humour based episodes/fillers
What kind of fucked-up logic is this?
>I think these other unrelated shows that I brought up are crap and I bet you like them so you shouldn't be telling me the show I like is crap
>because it can't be crap, it's exactly like those crap shows that I've imagined you like
>so you're maybe a hypocrite ha, ha
Seems like an own goal there, user.
wait, why are there two ninjaras?
One is ninjara the other is Meezcal (a mutated coyote who marries Raph in the future)
why are they so similar? why not just have him marry ninjara?
Ninjara and Raph broke up, I guess he just wanted more canine pussy.
This is TOO furry. MODS!
>TOO furry. MODS!
>The mods say: owo
Maybe you should read the new rules.
I prefer my turtles street level.
Ninjas, thugs, maybe organized crime.
I don't like them travelling time and space. I don't like dimension hopping. Spirits and demons are stupid.
I don't know why I'm like this.
Eh, TMNT has always done a bit of both, but I believe Eastman sides with you on this one, he seems to favor street-level warfare over the cosmic stuff.
it's still so weird that they actually changed that too being just porn. next thing you know they'll release the ponies.
Eh, apart from a few old diehards stuck in 2008 "yiff in hell" mode, I don't think anybody gives a shit anymore.
Is that why they still delete all threads about animal girls? Or even if a thread is about general waifus they always delete the animal ones?
I'm pretty sue it's keystone kops on the janitorial team, so some of them may be operating on the old rules, or just trying to keep those old rules active after the change because they're mad or whatever.
Ask on /qa/ if you're wondering why something got nuked, it may be a rogue janitor.
>We
2012 Karai is best Karai
>new rules.
Wait what? when did this happen?
Doesn't matter. You still can't post anthro girls. Seriously start a thread with Alopex saying you want other animal girls posted within it. You will get banned for it.
If that happens, go on /qa/ and ask why. You might get the guy who did it booted from the janitorial team.
couple of months ago, but yeah not like it really changes anything.
>You might get the guy who did it booted from the janitorial team.
Is there anything more satisfying that can be done on Yea Forums?
>yiff in hell
I keep forgetting that was a thing. It is pretty embarrassing. I found it embarrassing we needed a separate board for pastel ponies. We do have legit autists and spergs on this site so no matter what you're going to get someone bitching.
There's four quintessential parts to TMNT
Teenagers: Angsty and emotional interpersonal relationships.
Mutants : Sci-fi, mutations, interdimensional shit etc
Ninjas: Shadowy stealth fighting crime
Turtles: Furbait abound
Funny thing to me is a lot of the people doing it were huge furfags just having a laugh, at least until retard newfags came along and bought into it 100% seriously.
Pic related, go look at Oniontrain's online art. Or don't, it's chock full of furry.
Rise Raphael Smash!
Who is best TMNT who isn't a version of April or Karai?
Best TMNT girl? That's easy, it's Sally Pride!
>some elements of an old OC were taken for an idea she was asked to help create
Even that's pushing it. Waltz created Jennika the Foot Soldier that became loyal to Splinter, came up with the idea of making her a turtle, and came up with the idea of giving her a yellow headband.
Waltz: "Hey, can you come up with a character design for this?"
Campbell: "Oh wow, I once did a fanchar girl turtle with a yellow bandanna, maybe we can incorporate some of those ideas!"
Waltz: "This character's pretty well fleshed out, so..."
Campbell: "Well here's a design. With pants, Shredderesque claws for being former Foot, a bow and arrows, and an extra toe for being a former human."
Waltz: "We'll keep the claws. And the pants. The rest... no."
Like, seriously, that was Campbell's contribution to the character. Pants and claws.
Not even the claws, Jennika used them before. See issue #59 cover.
>Mikey being dumb was just a 2012 thing
2012 fucked up by turning the dial up on that in the belief that it made him "cute" or something, but if you go back and rewatch 1987 and 2003... 2003 was the one that got that ball rolling. If there was a button you weren't meant to push, he would push it. If letting out a shocked gasp would alert someone that they were being spied on, Mikey couldn't help himself. If it was a REALLY bad time to sneeze... dammit Mikey.
Don't get me wrong, there's no question that 2003 was the better character (and 1990 movie Mike was even better than 2003), but 2012 didn't pull "Mike the dumbass" out of thin air. 2003 started down that road.
that's a better look for her
too bad she got mutie'd
You can deny it all you want but Greg Weisman is the JJ Abrams of television cartoons.
I mean, just going by stuff like metacritic, nielsen ratings, toy sales, etc. it's certainly not an "oh my god pull the plug how did we fuck up so bad" bomb, but it's the least successful iteration since - sorry, but it's the truth - The Next Mutation. It's just plain underperforming. People aren't flocking to it the way they did for previous versions.
Campbell suggested the more Shredder-style claws she uses now though. Not those finger-claw things.
So we got "pants and slightly different claws." That ain't much.
>muh tranny
Dromers are fucking stupid
Yeah, that's my point. Retards are acting like this is Campbell's character, or a revamp of one of Campbell's old characters, or something. Waltz literally came up with everything except claws and pants. I mean hey, deciding what weapon a turtle should have isn't entirely insignificant, but...
>sucking Campbell's feminine cock
Yikes and cringe
Thank you for making it so easy for people to understand that I'm the one with a good grasp on who contributed what.
April and Karai have always been shit (and yes fuck you asshole who says "Karai has always been Splinter's daughter that's great!" Fuck you and your family). The only things those two have going for themselves is at one point having decent character designs before political correctness got a hold of them (so the first thing they lose is their breasts).
And this one is easily going to be turned into a dyke by Virtue Signaling IDW. Come on a character design like that looks like a dyke. She also hangs around with the lesbian woman often and her job is also mechanic (similar to how in real life butch lesbians work as mechanics).
Sally is a total dyke. Maybe not now, but in today's politically correct times you bet that Pro-SJW bastards like IDW will definitively make her a lesbian. After all lesbians are a trendy thing like the new Batwoman TV show or Steven Universe or how about how conveniently when a show is cancelled or ended at the last minute they reveal female characters as lesbians? Sally is doomed.
>Like, seriously, that was Campbell's contribution to the character. Pants and claws.
Campbell does more than that. Remember Eastman created Alopex and what did Campbell do when he got a writing job? He made Alopex go through a rebirth when Alopex got the new fur mask and from there on out according to Campbell Alopex is now a stupid empty headed worthless bimbo.
With Jennika's mutation I see this as another excuse for Campbell to rebirth another character he did not create. And basically Jennika in the mutated form will have a wholly new personality. One that no doubt other writers will have to agree to because the bastard is going to be head writer starting from issue 101.
You just repeat IDW propaganda nothing more.
>I'm very angry about things that have not happened
You shouldn't borrow rage from the future, user, it's not healthy.
Besides, people said the same shit when they teased that one of the characters was a lesbian years ago. Then the reveal happened and it turned out it wasn't Sally, it was the doctor. They've got their token lesbian already.
What's more, who cares? I'm not some gay ass zoomer who's mad about lesbians, I remember when a girl-on-girl scene was a pleasant surprise in a porno film, and when seeing hot lesbians make out on TV was just a pipe dream. Now we live in the golden age and all you fags do is whine about it.
And that's how I learned to hate Michelangelo. I don't hate the concept of Michelangelo but because I know that writers can NEVER be trusted with a slightly dim character and they always flanderize them into being extremely annoying retards, this automatically and permanently made Mikey my least favorite turtle and IDW has not done much better as here and there you see the same failings.
Fuck writers and their bullshit handling of Stupid Characters.
is that you mark or whatever your name is
>he's never banged a lesbian on the sly
I pity you.
Very few people are 100% straight or 100% gay, though it's not politically correct to admit it.
Awful thread.
Let's end it.
Almost done.
The turtles should be sexier.
And you're all faggots.
Raph was getting NTRd by a big wolf man as Ninjara was recovering from a gunshot wound from a hunting rifle. I remember being very upset reading it as a teenager. Archie writing is top tier.
And then wolf man died in the first issue of Ninjara's furry porn comic in Furrlough. He shouldn't have tried to steal Raph's woman
i love evil triceratops janeway
but she'll never come back
