So Joker is good?

>liberal critics love it
The problem is that it's DEFINITELY going to turn the Joker into some sort of stand in for the populace as he rallies against the media, some Trump-ian politician, and corporate America

look on the bright side OP it only needs 800 perfect 100% reviews to get a 100% overall

the only way is up

>comics-inspired cinema

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Nice. I liked V for Vendetta!

The Joker shouldn't be a good guy

>9.26/10

it went up
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The reviews are surprisingly diverse. Some critics love the movie for elevating comic book films out of the rut of cinematic universe Disney slop while others hate it for thinking it will empower the incels/people disregarded by society. Either way, I’m glad we’re getting comic movies like the Joker that try to something more than quips and action scenes, the last time this happened was with Logan and now Fox is being dismantled for parts by Disney.

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Don't see how it'll maintain the hype for a month.

It's gonna make bank on the name alone, but it actually being good would be a nice surprise considering how lame the production made it look. Anyone know if any of those spoilers that were floating around for a while are true?

He's murdering people. Just because he's the protagonist of the movie doesn't mean he's a good guy.

Pack your bags and get in the car you filhty bitches we're gonna live in a society

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each time it goes down going up again becomes much harder

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so another decade of heat legend only this time its joaquin time
and apparently gamers are gonna rise up

oh boy hopefully this doesn't inspire school shooters

making a villain a protagonist doesn't mean they are the good guy
some people are mature enough to tell when someone's doing something wrong

V is portrayed as a good guy.

Seems to be. I've read the negative reviews and they're exactly what I was afraid they would be. Commentary on the trendy paranoid fear of "incels" rather than the failings of the film itself.

I really hope this doesn't destroy the tone of DC movies for years to come like the Nolan Trilogy did

We might never get a good superman in that case

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V is trying to destroy the status quo and bring about a regime change or maybe just create anarchy
edgy mask man
with charisma
etc
either way the methods he uses are abhorrent
not a good guy

>considering how lame the production made it look
I felt the opposite. The low budget and real sets gave it a charm you don't see in regular comic films that use CGI to the point that Captain America can't even fight in a regular room without it being computer generated.

I have no faith that this movie is going to be good but at least it'll be memeworthy

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Yeah if Joker does good like dark knight good you can kiss your ass happy sunshine DC movies goodbye
we are going right back to the grim and gritty tone

Didn't they already learn their lesson from BvS and Suicide Squad about not doing that?

If DC is smart they'll keep rolling with elseworlds tales letting creators do whatever they want without being shackled to an oppressive continuity or aesthetic. But DC isn't smart, so we'll see this Joker fighting Pattman in no time.

I think based Aquachad being a big bright colorful movie that made bank might safeguard the rest of DC from the Joker. The best option would be to make the Black label for villain centric films

>But DC isn't smart,
"DC" doesn't get a say. This is all WB. Phoenix isn't signed on for anymore films either. Marvels been chasing him for years with no success because he wont sign multi film deals

But it's not going down. started at 80% after the press screening. It was at 86 after the premier. It's going up.

At worst it'll probably hover around the mid 80's.

This. Todd Philips himself said whether they do a sequel or not is up to Joaquin Pheonix's willingness to reprise the role. And Phoenix said that he doesn't want to do any sequel heavy roles. Unless they present him with a really good script he's not gonna sign on again.

I feel like Superman and his mythos/universe is a lot harder to translate into live-action film than Batman.

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There are only 4 negative reviews on RT out of 28. The rest are positive

Isn't this a standalone film? I don't see this particular Joker ever becoming competent enough to fight Batman

You just need someone who not afraid of the weird and the comfy and the brightly colored

If what they say about Harley is true, then yeah.

Yeah it really is. Batman can be grounded but Superman always has to be larger than life. Superman's villains aren't really cut out for this type of film. Except maybe Luthor and DCAU style Toyman

The movie hits too many "critics eat that shit up" for me to trust their judgement on it.

The negative reviews are fucking laughable

What are thy saying about Harley?

each successive review comes from a finite pool of accredited reviewers

each review that is not significantly higher than the aggregate number makes it harder for the number to go up

in the first dozen or so it can be all over the place, but by the time it hits 50+ reviews it's pretty much only going to go down, because going down is a lot easier than going up

>because going down is a lot easier than going up
Your faggot ass would know

It's going to be fine

There's a batman figure in it.. just saying

Seems like this is a movie where the critic opinions differ largely from the public opinion. I remember the early review scores for Watchmen was like 90%+

They're banking oj the film festival circuit keeping the hype up. Plus WB is not looking to make a bajillion dollars on this. It's oscar bait. Most Oscar bait movies don't make any real money until after they're nominated, hell a lot of them don'tget wide releasesuntill they get nominated.

Either way if this movie manages to rack up some film festival awards they're gonna use that to promote it and it'll probably over perform since it's budget is only $55 million. It's reportedly tracking for $77 million.

DC doesn't have a say in this phoenix is only doing one movie
that's the reason he passed on dr strange

why does he NEED THIS?
it isn't going to be IN the fucking DCCU, if that even is a thing anymore...

Her origin and actress is different in this movie.

To be honest? I don't think it matters.

It would be very hard for me to think up a concept I'd be less interested in watching for two hours than a Joker movie. Part of this might be that DC has burned me again and again in cinemas, but also, I just cannot see this being interesting for any considerable length of time. Joker can be a great villain, but I have less than zero interest in him as a protagonist.

I get that. Most of what I saw, since I don't tend to seek that stuff out, was just him running around looking goofy and people memeing the shit out of it, but I see where you're coming from.
That's kinda weird, unless Thomas is Batman or some shit, but honestly Bats doesn't feel like he even fits in with the way this movie is looking.

You sound so gay lmao

She's also not named Harley. It's obviously a different character. It's not like Marvel pulling a fast one with their "MJ"

Movies can just be movies, user. They don't all have to tie into some huge shared universe/ongoing story/marketing scheme.

Is this going to be part of the DCU or separate from everything else?

lol no they're probably just heavily moderating all the bad reviews

Because the DCEU had a terrible start and WB decided that going the Deadpool / Logan route of doing R-rated Elseworlds would probably recuperate some of the losses if Todd does his job well. Let's be honest, the worst case scenario of an R-Rated DC movie is being in tier with the dark tones of Fan4stic.

And it’s already flopping

Fuck shared universes. The MCU was fun but it's so intertwined that you cannot watch a single heroes trilogy and have it make sense. I'd rather just get good stand alone movies from everyone else

Well it's a oneshot, not an Ironman 1. I think it would work for just one movie, especially since it's not an adaptation of The Killing Joke and more of a fanfic rewrite for The King of Comedy.

What losses? Only one DCEU film flopped.

It's separate but if it does well enough I bet they'll try to connect future movies to it

>Reported at Deadline Hollywood that "The Todd Phillips-directed DC origins story was met with an eight-minute standing ovation and shouts of “Bravo!” at its conclusion."
Society loves it

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Flop is the wrong word, yeah. I was thinking losing audience trust for the DCEU since Justice League. I mean who would've thought years ago that a movie called the Justice League would come out so bad that it can't even rival Avengers 1?

Probably a rogue's gallery universe, like Gotham but big budget. I both love and loathe the idea of it.

Batman has the best rogues gallery for this and you can use the brand recognition of his biggest villains to make them successful.
Two Face, Penguin and Riddler could all carry a film. Especially now that Joker has paved the way for them

I'm excited for them getting good oneshot films. I'm not excited for DC probably forcing a cinematic universe after the success or two or three black series movies. Besides, I think Todd hinted that this isn't the only rendition of Joker's origins that will be made, but I can't find the source again.

No they didn't. Apparently Todd Phillips spent over a year hounding WB execs to get the movie greenlit and they only agreed because of its relatively small budget compared to other comic book movies. Todd Phillips said there is no black la el or plans for any other dark DC movies unless The Joker does well. It's off to a good start but WB is reactionary when it comes to their DC movies now. They only move forward on projects if they have something successful to build off of.

Apt comparison, as Watchmen also had
>social commentary
>meta commentary
>a serious "refreshing" and violent take on what is seen as an inherently silly family friendly genre (nevermind that at this point it's hardly fresh anymore)

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They literally can't. Especially without Joaquin Phoenix. He isn't contracted to star in any other movies and seems vehemently against the idea. Him doing another Joker movie or agreeing to appear in any other DC film will depend entirely on whether or not he gets an Oscar. If he's snubbed again he's never gonna touch the role again.

The difference is that they were trying to sell the movie as a typical action capeshit and it wasn't. It also wasn't an arthouse movie either , it was a weird middle ground but not enough of either one to satisfy fans in either camp.

The Joker is being sold strictly as an oscar bait arthouse film with a small budget to match. Plus there's a difference between a strict oress screening and a being shown at a film festivals, in addition to the press screening.

True, but I think it's safe to assume a lot of people who are going to watch the movie will do so based on the Joker brand (and a context-less RT score) might not be ready for a character study.

>the leaks turn out to be right

Oh god. They kept the stupid faux-Dad subplot.

Remember

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i wont see it as i dont want to get shot

>This isn't a children's cartoon. You can still get good film reviews without a lesbian couple.
But do you need a couple of rich white men to be the real monsters and the insane murderer just a creation of their society?

No.

That was more of a writing fumble than anything.

Joker isn't gonna be heroic here

We're all living in a society. Not just rich white guys. You, me, the filmmakers, Nosferatu

Bruce Wayne is like 8 years old in Phillips' film
Shazam, Wonder Woman and Aquaman proved that staying faithful to the character's tone is best

>Shazam
did you even watch that movie? It was just Curse of Shazam, which is about as unfaithful to captain marvel as you can get

>I really hope this doesn't destroy the tone of DC movies for years to come
It will don't worry.

>We're all living in a society. Not just rich white guys. You, me, the filmmakers, Nosferatu
But who are the cause of society being so shitty for clowns and their minority girlfriends?

Is the movie saved by the ending? The blank notebook bit implies the entire film is bullshit Joker made up

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>It was just Curse of Shazam
Billy was a lot less of a dick in the movie

Yeah there's a few things like that apparently that you would have to rewatch to pick up on. There was something about a cat?

You just want to someone to say the K-word don't you?

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we live in a society that fap to anything with the joker

There's a few things
>Arthur owns an orange cat that is subtly revealed to be not real. Before he goes on his "episode" he lets his cat free, but when the cat leaves the apartment it has no reflection. Other hints of the story being fabricated are Joker's cell at the end being the exact same cell his mom had, and the psychiatrist being similar to the one he was seeing earlier in the film. Both are implying that the memory is fabricated from things Joker is seeing in his current stay at Arkham

Also I think the only Batman nod is "It's a private joke between me and HIM"

Shazam literally came out earlier this year from the same studio, not every DC movie is going to have the same tone. Stuff like Joker can come out alongside lighthearted blockbusters

I can't believe they pulled this off. It stayed comics accurate in the most ridiculous way possible

For the last fucking time, Zazie Beetz character is not Harley.

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This. Also there's a Superpets movie coming out in 2022. Unless Krypto is being portrayed as a pitbull I don't think that will be dark and gritty.

I didn't expect them to keep Joker as the unreliable narrator he is.

At least this is what I think this is what they're implying from what I remember reading. The notebook for example he directly says "At least how I remember it" and when he slides his therapy journal to the doctor, its completely blank
Could this mean that if well received, they could bring back Phoenix in The Batman or another Batman film while completely ignoring this film?

>there's a Superpets movie coming out in 2022

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They could bring him back only if Phoenix wants to since he was only signed for one film

You didn't hear? cbr.com/dc-super-pets-movie-release-date/
Apparently it's 2021. It could be something as low budget as Teen Titan Go though