What the fuck was Caps argument?

Too bad that's the law already even before this whole mess started. Or do you think that Daredevil is allowed to invade private property and break people arms like that?

Cap was shot at for so much as expressing concerns over registration literally minutes after the law was approved.
Can you blame him for thinking the SRA was an abuse of power?

Like I said, the writers contrived ways to make the pro registration side dumb by either making them too extreme, corrupt or dumb.
Taking the principle of both sides (and again, I'm not entirely sure what caps actually are) Tonys side makes sense, vigilantism is illegal and people with superpowers who want to use them to fight crime should be trained like any other civil servant is.

Cap's issue was that he viewed the government as untrustworthy, and giving the government everyone's secret identities would only lead to disaster.

Tony's side is meant to be correct in Millar's view, but Millar is such a shitty writer that he couldn't make his position sympathetic.

Cap's position is essentially that the government is too inept to be in charge of the superhero community.

And Spider-Man invading a bank while police is trying to negotiate with the criminals to spare the hostages is legal? Daredevil invading Kingpin property is legal? Denying to take off the mask or go with the cops to the police station due to being considered suspicious is legal?

Superheros are not legal already.

>Too bad that's the law already even before this whole mess started.
Prove it, speedreader. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

Yeah, but most law enforcement was fine with all that because the heroes were good at what they do.

>The second Spider-Man held that press conference to reveal his ID,Aunt May was killed.
In fairness, she was safe until Peter took May and MJ out of Avengers Tower and hid them in a cheap motel.

What makes you think the prison was illegal? It was an obvious Guantanamo Bay allegory, right down to the law deeming unregistered superhumans and vigilantes as "enemy combatants" who could be legally imprisoned without trial.

Registration is unconstitutional and everyone was out of character.

>Tony's side is meant to be correct in Millar's view, but Millar is such a shitty writer that he couldn't make his position sympathetic.
Millar actually wrote a bait and switch story, where you assume Captain America is right because he's Captain America, you assume Captain America's going to win because he's Captain America, and all of the popular heroes are on his side, or defect to his side, while Iron Man's team and SHIELD are being so heavy-handed in enforcing the law, and doing shady things that make them look like villains so you won't support them even if you think they have a valid argument.
Then the story ends with the public firmly on Tony's side, while Cap is exposed as having no plan, and his fight is just causing more damage and making the public hate them all even more.
Was Millar's goal to make readers lose their minds?

They started hunting and imprisoning people even before the law was out due to "futurism".

Captain America’s stance in Civil War is pretty much identical to most posters on /k/ , just switch super powers for guns

What the hell are you talking about?
His point was that they needed their own agency to operate efficiently.

Tony didn't do that. SHIELD attempted to do that to Captain America when he refused to work with them or enforce the law. They weren't trying to charge him with breaking the superhuman registration law, they were treating him as a renegade soldier refusing to follow orders from a superior. Nobody was actually imprisoned before the law was passed in the 2nd issue.

>His point was that they needed their own agency to operate efficiently.

They would still have had that under the registration act, they just had to wear badges and have SHIELD know their identities, which on principle is reasonable, so of course SHIELD has to be corrupt for Caps side to have any kind of legitimate argument, though they didn't know that at the time.
If vigilantes want to be vigilantes demanding that the law not apply to them strikes me as trying to have their cake and eat it.

Super hero registration = gun control

You don't need a plan to just fight for being able to help people without needing government approval

After the law had been passed, he was fighting to change things back to how they used to be, with no plan for how he was going to accomplish this.

Superheroes already break dozens of laws anyway, I don't see why they would give a fuck about this law or even fight Iron Man for it. The moment a cop consider you suspicious(completelly reasonable since heroes are usually close to crime scenes) they must demand the heroes to identify themselves, what heroes never do.

Legally, nothing changed due to this new law, the entire story is bullshit.

No, they wouldn’t. The law inherently makes their agency less.

The government would pick their missions, limit their fighting style, decide if the target should be taken alive or not, etc. They would essentially be the Suicide Squad only instead of death as a motivator it was staying out of prison.

>It was an obvious Guantanamo Bay allegory
so illegal

You might not like it, but it's obviously not illegal.

what changed is heroes started going after other heroes for not registering their secret identities with an agency that regularly gets taken over by bad guys

fuck, Cap was AT THAT MOMENT dealing with Hydra infiltrators in SHIELD

>The government would pick their missions, limit their fighting style, decide if the target should be taken alive or not, etc.
And how that's a bad thing again?You could argue that this would be a bad idea at DC but Marvel superhero community is EXTREMELY dangerous and out of control.

Can we all agree that the worst part of Civil War was Marvel not publishing the SRA verbatim, so readers could actually understand it?
Because what we got was different writers writing their own interpretation of what it means to fit their story, and the whole thing was a contradictory mess.

Fuck off statist

Any superhero who claim to cooperate with the laws and aknowledge the authority of the goverment (f4, Cpt A and Iron-Man) should already do that anyway.

>kill this villain or go to jail
>you can't fight Wilson Fisk, he's a major donor to [political figure]

>Can we all agree that the worst part of Civil War was Marvel not publishing the SRA verbatim, so readers could actually understand it?
I mean, it's a tie between that and people acting like anyone gave a damn about Goliath.

Cap could recognize that not everyone is comfortable with their identity being public knowledge. Hence the fucking masks.

When the law proposes to put your family, friends and favorite prostitutes at risk for attack by Supervillains, abiding it is simply not an option.

>Xavier doing secret experiments to several mentally ill invidividuals that can destroy the planet
>Banner refuse to be treated even though he aknowledge he's completelly insane and can destroy the planet
>Sentry almost destroyed the planet 3 times
>Cpt A worked for hydra
>Spider-Man made a deal with the devil
>Sue invading latveria and assaulting Doom(the country leader)

Those guys are all fucking lunatics.

Can you explain the differences between the Marvel/DC superhero communities?
I'm a Marvel manbaby, so idk how it would be okay at DC.

>the differences between the Marvel/DC superhero communities?
Not him, but for one thing, the Justice League is sanctioned by the US government and the UN. They're basically an NGO. Most DC heroes are already accepted members of law enforcement. Even Batman is an honorary member of the Gotham PD. Super-human registration would be pointless and redundant.

>the Justice League is sanctioned by the US government
heh, that's funny
Because currently in Marvel, the Avengers re-grouped as a nation-agnostic group at the North Pole, so in response the US Government recreated the Squadron Supreme.

DC - JL try to get rid of any dangerous and unpredictable vigilantes, heroes will hunt down anyone suspicious, Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman consistently trying to push their views over others and against each other but seem to agree on the basic

Marvel - Avengers have little to no authority over the vigilante community, the line beetwen heroes and villains is ridiciously thin, several members are clearly mentally ill and extremely angerous(Sentry,Hulk,Legion), others are basically villains (Punisher, Namor, Deadpool)

>Cap didn’t think heroes should give their real names and identities to the public and then expect the government to protect their loved ones and keep them safe.
considering that no one at marvel has a secret identity anymore and the one guy who does (spidey) paid the consequences of going public with his identity that just means that cap was right

Were they supposed to stay up there in that tower forever? Even with Avengers detail there's nothing keeping them safe forever.

That's hilarious because it used to be the opposite.

>Trusting the police over your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man

>Not trusting your friendly neighborhood policemen
What are you, a criminal?

No, that wasn't a long-term solution, but Peter put them in danger instead of looking for a solution.

This is sort of a meta argument now. Before we were just talking about how Captain America sees the situation and it’s a very possible position to take. Some people irl just oppose the government wholesale for no real reason at all.