It's over Yea Forums lost

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>remember the whole Captain Marvel fiasco
This. Joker only getting good reviews because anti-trump SJW trash that will flop

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>zero picture on little white lies
>time magazine looks like a tranny
So much for professional critics

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dilate

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Nice cherrypicking, Mousefag

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>People's opinions only have validity if I approve of how they look

>He takes the opinion of trannies serious

Just an old woman, you're projecting your fetish

Cry incel cry

We can only lose to box office, never the critics. In fact, reviews can only up the stakes. So Venom was a great win, while Captain Marvel was a great loss.

>tfw you have exposed society

the mischief!

>Just an old woman
Biological the same thing as a tranny

>reeee I hate a movie that tackle social problems like poverty and racism
nice projection incel

Whoa.....

boards.4channel.org/tv/thread/120333333

Is DC, dare I say, back?

Cry harder Tranny ladderfag, cry

>The Dark Knight
>Logan
>Joker
What do these films have in common?

>20 reviews
>couldn't even hit 90%
definitely mid 30s by October

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they all include The Joker

Yea Forums always wins baybee

Scared, ladderbro?

Why do you hate you grandma user?

ladderbro is already getting worked into a seething shoot
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Literally every character loses?

No they don’t

the Joker was behind logan's downfall. In the shadows

they're based on comic book characters that abandon everything about the source material

other than that there's nothing that that piece of shit movie Joker has in common

They expose the truth about Society

Pretentiousness.

ladderbro, you got blown by by Sony and now you're blown out by the Joker. How many more do you take before you kill yourself?

The main characters murder people?

the jokers edgy teenager shit, you really expected a decent film after seeing the trailer?

they all have famous podcasters

Isn't that the average rating for capeshit movies?

Flop
And the incels crying
Flop
And dc dying
Paid critics won’t help orang man is bad movie
Flop
Get woke go broke

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>Good comic book movie comes out and is recognized as a good comic book movie
>Yea Forums lost
How does A lead to B?

Yea Forums hated this movie

It's great that it's successful, I'm not surprised at all. I just wish this magic of critical reverence and audience anticipation over to the actual DC cinematic universe. Likes what's keeps going wrong?

below average actually

>Ladderbro having a mental breakdown
Lol, go hangyouself soon okay?

It hasn't come out yet, and won't until next month. On what merits does Yea Forums hate a movie that they haven't seen? Why are you using a vocal minority to represent all of Yea Forums? Have you polled everyone that uses this message board?

>85%
>Good
if it isn't at least 90% it's shit

75 is high for any movie on Meta

Justice league bombing's the reason why you're getting this so be glad.

>if a movie doesn't make a billion dollars, it's a flop, regardless of its budget, its genre or its impact

Cope. Yea Forums lost, deal with it.

Out of what you've listed only budget has anything to do with flopping or not though.

In what way did Yea Forums lose, though? I don't understand how a comics and cartoon board has lost anything when a good comic book movie comes out.

They looked just like OPs “official real” reviews

Yeah, people were upset because they removed the ability to review a movie if it wasn’t out yet. Crazy huh?

Imagine if they only let people that saw movies actually review them next. It’d be madness!

Last time I checked. Zero dc movie ever made a billion dollar unlike most marvel movies

Your drug dealer is a bad person.

>console war mentality
What's it like to have not matured at all since you were a teenager?

Aquaman came out a few months ago, dumb mousecuck

who is laddederbro and what does he have to do with ladders

>75 is high for any movie on Meta
It's a little better than average for capeshit. 75 is about what the MCU averages the last few years.

>has completely solipsistic and unreasonable standards
>is upset when nothing hits those unreasonable standards
What a happy, joyful and personally fulfilling life you must lead.

>only made money in China
>critics hatred it
>Aquaman hatred and regarded as a joke
Incels gonna Cry cry

BvS and Suicide Squad had a huge review embargo, with reviews not being able to come out until a few days before the movies release. Joker comes out in a little over a month. Face it, the critcs love it.

neither of those movies got good reviews even from first viewers. It was mixed reception from the get-go.

Oh ladderfag, how pathetic you are

What's the most recent, honestly happy memory you have?

Firing Johns was a mistake

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When Mickey fucked him in the ass

ladderbro, I don't we established this. Aquaman made more money in the US than Thor Ragnarok and only slightly less than FFH

>Be dc
>flop
>Be incel
>cry

It didn't make a hundred bazillion dollars so it's a flop, user.

When was the last time you were happy?

I’m sure they do, critics usually love everything until it starts to drag t the box office or one of the cast members gets turned into a social pariah. I can’t put much stock into the opinions of people who are paid to watch movies, I’ll wait until the actual movie gets released and people who have had to pay to see it begin to voice their opinions on how good or bad it may be. As it is now it’s nothing that I personally am all that interested in, since I’ve already seen this movie at least twice with two other amazing lead characters

>I don't we established this

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Why is Yea Forums unable to enjoy a movie based on what they saw instead of looking up how much it made? Seriously every movie thread is the same

>Wow I like x movie
>WELL TOO BAD IT DIDNT MAKW THIS MUCH MONEY SO YOUR WRONG

>Literally no argument

>starting that low
It's probably going to end up in the 60s.

>this place has been mostly indifferent to this movie, with some people either criticizing it, poking fun, being cautiously optimistic, or just not really caring
>Yea Forums LOST GUYS

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>Yea Forums lost
>implying we weren’t all rooting for Joker to succeed

>In what way did Yea Forums lose, though?

Yea Forums hates cinema and wanted the movie to flop, where have you been the past year?

Is it out already? I thought it wasn't until October.

It's only Mousedrones who do that

It was at Venice

Has the same guy made all the threads about this movie that are bouncing around right now?

>It's probably going to end up in the 60s.
Implying dc movies get that high

Not everyone does, just the majority of Yea Forums tourist, personally I found Shazam to be the best of the DCEU films so far even tho it apparently didn’t make as much as some other films

Never argue with a DCuck. They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Only 85%. DC is trying to please the critics when everyone knows that Disney is their Lord and Savior.

Maybe we should do away with Company wars and terms like "mouse-shills" and "dcucks". Company wars do nothing but bring the overall quality of posts and threads down

Why would anyone want the movie to flop, though? Like, what's the motivation here? Why are Yea Forumsmrades so offended by this movie merely existing?

Arguing with a Marvelcuck is easy. They never have one

>Why are Yea Forumsmrades so offended by this movie merely existing?
Yes

a 85% for a DC kino is like a 250% for a Marvel/Disney flick

Company warrior fags have ruined this board. They will never go away i'm afraid

Message received. Being a self-aware nerd fucking sucks.

Incel kino is back on the menu boys

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Could you imagine how much the quality of this board would improve if those phrases earned a 24 hour ban and twitter posting earned a 1 week ban?

In a completely unexpected turn of events, the soft remake of two critically acclaimed movies, one of which features meta commentary about entertainment, starring an excellent actor, with a popular character's name slapped on it, proves popular with critics.
Stay tuned for more completely unexpected news like people eating food and breathing.

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Phase 3 had a 75+ every year minus 2017, still came pretty close with Ragnarok. But I doubt they are judging this by usual capeshit metrics. This could've been "Bozo a story of crime" and still have the same reactions from the same guys.

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Because it makes absolutely no attempt to be based on comics.
Because it's Jokerwank, which is even worse than batwank.
Because it looks bad.

Company wars ruin tons of stuff. And it's just because little kids couldn't afford to buy both of whatever it is and had to pick a side, and then they grow up and just keep the mindset out of intellectual laziness.

>Yea Forums completely convinced the movie is the worst thing ever
>people like it
>rakes in money
>Yea Forums puts on their tinfoil hats
It's Toy Story 4 all over again.

>Celebrating less that 30 reviews
This is always the best part of any DC movie release. DC fans celebrate because they think they FINALLY have a good movie for once only to start panicking as the score plummets as it gets closer and closer to release. And the best part is that because they are legitimately retarded they'll do it AGAIN with Birds of Prey.

>Because it makes absolutely no attempt to be based on comics.
So?
>Because it's Jokerwank, which is even worse than batwank.
Based on what, besides it existing?
>Because it looks bad.
According to you.

This shit will flop harder than shazam and birds of prey

>Not the first post from this IP
You forgot to turn on airplane mode ladderbro

>It's Toy Story 4 all over again
And black panther, captain marvel, venom and Aquaman.

Because you keep taking the bait, retard.

It would be paradise. Though, I'd make the use of either buzzword a week-long ban, personally. Maybe the board would become more worthwhile again.

>Remember when BvS was getting nothing but positive glowing reviews?
>Remember when Suicide Squad was getting nothing but positive glowing reviews?
those were pre-release test audience reactions

Fuck off

Shazam made three times its budget and is getting two sequels.

no argument

They aren't superhero movies per se. they have a comic book character as its main character, but the movie isn't action.

>Shazam made three times its budget and is getting two sequels.
Damage control mucus?

Now we'll never catch him

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all were released in a society

The TEASER for Birds of Prey hasn't even come out. What are you basing your opinion off of? Why are you using 'faithfulness to material' as an objective criteria?

>Gamers Rise Up: The Movie is SJW trash
aww, hon, it's okay

Get help.

I know your a braindead fag, but Shazam had a amazing score.

But you don't care about that, because your gonna change the goalpost to box office, won't you?

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>Fucking rotten with top critics
Bruh. The scores gonna come closer later on but RT being used for marketing bs' become so blatant.

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I don't get why DC fans act like the Joker doing well says anything positive about DC, when the people responsible for the film went out of their way to say the film has nothing to do with the comics and consciously ignored them. I mean, if the movie succeeds financially and critically, so what? It has no relevance to what critics or audiences think about the comics or the actual DC character of the Joker.

mad

>thinking this is a rational argument, or statement

Just explain it to me. This movie is like Taxi Driver or something. How does it have any relevance to the character of the Joker from the comics?

They're all carried by the performance of one actor playing a man with a debilitating mental condition.

I don't get why DC fans act like Superman: Red Son doing well says anything about positive DC, when the writers went out of their way to avoid normal continuity and consciously ignored it. I mean, so what if it's so well received? It has no relevance to what critics or audiences think about the actual DC character of Superman

>filmmaker makes film with nothing to do with the joker, batman, or anything to do with DC comics
>slaps the joker name on it and a few references
this doing well is meaningful for DC how, exactly?

How are so many people so incapable of constructing a coherent and consistent criteria by which they judge media? It's seriously baffling.

Toxic masculinity.

I don't understand your argument. I genuinely am baffled as to how you've arrived at your position. Not to mention that you literally have not seen the movie that you're judging.

Your argument loses all credibility when you unironically call people ''sheep'', stop being an edgy contrarian and form your own opinion.

It can redefine Joker's character if it's impactful enough at the very least. And, if they feel the need to "slaps the joker name on it and a few references" this means they think Joker "brand" is strong enough to help the movie. Generally you seem to be damage controlling hard.

He's arguing that the success of a stand-alone Joker movie has little/no bearing on the overall success of the DC brand. I suspect he meant that this movie, with no connections to a broader "DCCU" (or whatever initialism they are currently using) will no bolster that flagging effort. He didn't say this specifically, so he could mean more generally, in which case I agree, I don't understand.

>thread about RT
>instantly turns to company war shitflinging, tranny/incel namecalling, boogeyman whispering and other such cancer

Can we just fucking ban RT threads now? Talk about the movie itself or take it to fucking Yea Forums you mentally stunted fucktards

Any "coherent and consistent" criteria of judging fiction must be necessarily bullshit, being both arbitrary and failing to properly reflect anything

I won't because I know that being the pathetic DCuck you are you're just waiting to scream "AQUAMANS!!!!!11111!!!" so instead I'll just do it for you

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this will always be a problem unless we cut out the true cancer

no not live action adaptations but DC

When is Marvel gonna make something like Joker?

Coherent and consistent means that you draw your observations from what you've seen, can express them in an easily understood way that can be applied to all other media of its type.

Good criteria: does the editing make sense, are the story beats logically consistent, are the characters human and if not, are they consistent to the tone and theme of the media, etc.

Bad criteria: does the adaptation bear fidelity to its progenitor, do the characters talk in a way that resembles reality, are the characters likable, etc.

In other words, be able to do more than say whether you liked it or not, and explain why you didn't like it in a way that others can understand, and can agree or disagree with.

You're still inciting company war bullshit. Check yourself back into whatever tardstation you broke out of

Not until their current formula wears down. No need to change what's not broken.

>9.15/10
It's still a highscore.

because they would rather have good movies

When they stop making 1 billion plus on two thirds of their films.

it's not company wars it's just a fact. As long as DC and Marvel share a board DC fans are always going to lash out at Marvel because of their insane jealousy and inferiority complex.

Where does this number come from?

Yes. because only DC fans do this, and there aren't any rational DC fans that react to the world like normal people do.

Even if they are pretty uninteresting?

It is company wars. Check out disneyshills reactions to stuff like Aquaman or Venom. Your tribe is just as cancerous.

It certainly doesn't seem that way on here at least. Mostly it's just "The Mouse" this and "Ladderbro" that.

If the movies make consistent money, then it doesn't make sense from a money making perspective to change the formula.

That being said they may change it for creative reasons, Multiverse of Madness is supposed to be a horror movie. They've said stuff like that before though.

If you watch the joker movie you are on the wrong side of history just like vic mignogna rape apologists.

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Moon Knight TV show, maybe.

Yeah, cause the guy that's dragging the Aquaman, Shazam, Joker and Birds of Prey is being unreasonable, isn't providing actual arguments, and keeps moving goal posts. Not to mention using fallacious reasoning.

They put out three movies this year and EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. made over a BILLION so clearly they're interesting to the vast majority of people. You strike me as one of those people who also thinks Disney+ is going to fail.

Depends on if it's gonna be on Disney+ or not. If it is, then it's doubtful, as nothing beyond a PG-13 will be hosted on the channel.

It IS company wars. I know this because I'm not a child who slavishly picks sides over who does better dumb action movies than the other, and remain unbiased. You're all as bad as each other.

Why is the metacritic so much lower?

>>If I might ask, Master Bruce, what is it about The Joker that causes you to obsess over him so much."

>"It isn't an obsession, Alfred. When I was a child, after I lost my parents, I met a real clown, That day when I was at my lowest the showed up and made me smile. If it weren't for him Alfred, I probably would have ended my life long ago."
>"I don't want Joker to put that man in a bad light."

How's Ladderbro taking it. Still saying it will flop ?

Fewer reviews allowed

Because it will flop

>Flop of Justice
>Flopstice League
>Flopicide Squad
>Wonder Flop
>Aquaflop
>Flopzam
Th..this time will be different bros! B..based DC!

>if a movie makes less then a million trillion bajillion dollars on its opening weekend its a flop
>money earned is a criteria by which to judge media
>basing a piece of media's quality by its popularity

Coz RT allows more reviews and use only negative/positive formula.

He doesn't exist so I would imagine he is taking it however you think he is.

there is literally nothing wrong with rape

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It won’t eceb make half as much as avengers

>9.15

OH NONONONONO WHAT HAPPENED BROS!?

>YouTube changes algorithm
>RT redesign
>RT stops accepting reviews below threshold
>Metacritic drops user scores
>"Journalists" in a tizzy
>Twitter in a tizzy
>Half empty theaters
>Prelude to the biggest soi-movie ever

Fuck I'd hate to see us win.

Well that one fag who constantly spams his gif set is fuming

ladderbro seething

I don't care, and neither do the execs. Because that's an unreasonable thing to expect off of an Elseworlds movie like this.

MarvelTranny having a breakdown i see?

we just need to go and troll everyone saying the movie is misoginistic and all that shit

SHUT UP SHUT UP MARVELET
How much did the mouse pay you to make that post huh? HOW MUCH?!

I get bullied at school every single fucking day for being a DC fan. Marvel guys throw shit at me, they flushed my Limited edition Batman vs. Superman Movie Tie-In Comic Book down the toilet. One time they even said "Here's your Best Makeup Oscar" and then a bunch of them came all over my face.

Well it's going to stop. Joker WILL be a hit, then it's all going to be great.

Ma'am, this is a Wendy's.

Nice try forgetting about WW, pathethic Marvelcuck. Go suck some more mousecock

user wasn't wrong, your criteria are fairly arbitrary. Experimental editing and "illogical" narrative flow can both be good if they fit the story you want to tell, like a movie about altered state of mind or insanity. Likewise while the main (or other characters) being likable is far from a necessity for all movies, it's pretty important if you're telling a classic hero's journey where the MC represents the forces of good.
As for adaptation accuracy, it's more of a criteria to decide whether something is a good adaptation rather than whether it's a good movie. If you adapt something but it ends up bearing no resemblance to its source material, it begs the question what the point of making it an adaptation is.

samefag

>Now you remember when Avenger had 100% on RT and a guy gave it the first rotten, what happened next were hundreds of fanboys threatening that person.

Say what you want about this Joker movie, but I'm not seeing threats... how the hell are Joker fans more civilized than Avengers fans?

>Having this saved
So Aquaman started lower and still stayed fresh . What's your point ?

I guarantee you can find people doing this right now on Twitter, we're talking about Joker fans here, some of those people are legit nuts.

That came mostly from neo-nazis engaging libtards.

DC chads win yet again.
First Marvel loses their precious spiderman and now DC is finally getting its shit together when it comes to their movies again.
Cope and seethe Marvoids.

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I thought user meant a story about a character going insane, not "when will Disney have a character say the N-word while bathing in blood". So I'll go with Blade instead.

>DC is finally getting its shit together
come on pal, you really think one movie is enough to save the whole dc cinematic universe?please

>wanting Yea Forums to be a good board
>this thread

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>Going forward

Are sequels planned, or is Leto out as DCU's Joker?

>9.15/10
NOOOOO LADDERBRO SAVE ME AHHHHHH

>thinking that Blade will be anything more than bloodless and PG-13

No, but Wonder Woman and Harley Quinn were massive hits and Aquaman made more money than Thor Ragnarok