Did this comic live up to expectations?

No.
No.

>can go back to working at Marvel?
Why the fuck would he want to?
That would be like getting off your sailboat to board the titanic when its already 80% sunk.

The faces are very Jim Cheung....which is quite funny for a white supermacist

>The faces are very Jim Cheung....which is quite funny for a white supermacist
Don't mock deaf people

>go back to working at Marvel
Why? Marvel pay is shit.

Ya boi jack

Why would Marvel rehire Liefeld Lite when they already have regular Liefeld?

lower page rate?

Liefield inks while driving.

youtube.com/watch?v=HZ9hjJabvaI

Your argument is invalid.

Now get him to do that another 20 times and he might actually deliver that issue of Brigade that's 6 years late.

As much shit as this guy pulls, you can tell he really loves comics.

This looks so fucking sick

Yes

Lol no. I knew it was going to be bad, but after that storytime showing off how fucking bad the pacing was I felt sorry to whoever actually funded that shit (but there'll still be people shilling it saying that "it better than Mahvel and DeeCee"). Meyer/Ya Boi Hack can't write for shit (remember his Riri fanfic?), and he should probably get a job and pay for that child support.

As for Litefeld, the guy doesn't want to work at either of the Big 2 anymore, and that's a good thing.

This looks okay but also very busy. I'd have to see the actual plot and inner pages to see if it's worth checking despite its allegiances.
I'm very into science fiction but I still rather read hard sci-fi stuff, in comics there's things like Infinite Dark (which just ended) and Outpost Zero (on the way there), but I also like Marvel so I'm perfectly okay with fantasy stuff.

Practically anemic even

"Literally Psylocke With A Spear" looks cute, but none of the designs are that interesting, and this plot summary could put an insomniac to sleep.

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How do all the people who literally document their distracted driving not get fined?

Yeah, that second paragraph killed all interested I had in knowing more. Did nobody proofread this? "Killed all life as we know it", then "those that survived"...
And that "star metal" thing is dumb as hell too. Yeah, this is a pass for me.

This seriously reads exactly like the back of a bad 80s B-movie.
Cast it.

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It stinks of backwards reasoning, or like they just threw clichés in a blender
>need an exotic sword and sorcery setting
>still set it up on very much our Earth for some reason
>which means something has had to happen to change normal Earth into Middle Earth
>err... SPACE! let's say SPACE! happened, even though that has nothing to do with the rest of the setting
>let's have an ancient evil, that's always neat, he's from space too, not that there's any point in that
>DRAGONS! oh no, they get decimated and the last one DRYDEN befriends our "mysterious stranger" hero GUARDAX
>let's have two cool rogues with cool names like WARROK and TYRUS, who are also heroes of an entire region because sure, that's what wayward rogues do
>they were brought together by fate, or Guardax uniting them, or the tradition of passing down swords (the swords were distributed among various tribes like the rings in LOTR by... someone) to find the GHOST TIGER
>the... the GHOST TIGER who's... something or someone who has something or other to do with the story
>and save the world!

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Is that Dave bautista?

This.
I would much rather have superheroes lecture me about my straight white privilege and why anything other than actively supporting open borders makes me a nazi.

>at least it's not that other brand of diarrhea
Err, sure.

Where's the iron sights storytime

Here
>desuarchive.org/co/thread/104135541
Just a heads up it's fucking trash

Does notPsylocke have sex with angel girl?

Richard C. Meyer reviewing comic books and calling them trash is as ironic as Doug Walker calling other people's movies crap.

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Have any of these CG comics been scanned (I assume none have been released digitally). I'd be interested to read a few of them. The only one that looks half-decent is EVS's Cyberfrog only because it took him 2 years to draw so he actually drew well.

I'm not paying for this shit because paying for comics is gay.

I think that some of them like Jawbreakers and Trump's Space Force have been storytimed here before, you probably want to check out the archive for those.

Unironically, yes.
The comic competently accomplished everything a comic should do.
At no point in the comic do you ever reach "THAT PART" that makes you drop it, unlike most modern capeshit from the big two.

Do we think the SEQUEL will be any good? Meyer wrote the main story and a story that brings back the Black Chick he killed off cause she was SUCH A GOOD CHARACTER but like the other three stories are all written by Chuck Dixon.

Which is as far as I can see the only selling point. No the other selling point is "NOT drawn by Jon Malin" but Dixon writing means at least three fifths of this comic will have decent writing.

> but like the other three stories are all written by Chuck Dixon.
what

Dixon's writing for Meyer? thought he was making a movie with Vox Day

Dixon goes where people pay him to go. Vox has him writing and Meyer is also shelling out to get him to write the "ORIGIN STORY OF DEVIL DOG"

Despite Meyer saying a lot that he thinks origin stories are stupid and you don't need them. But there you go.

Funny, because I reached "THAT PART" when just reading the fucking synopsis.

Not enough transgender awareness for you?

You better be paid for this

I get that you're trolling, but some people don't want to read mindless schlock and would prefer to read good stories. It's not enough to simply not commit the sins a bunch of big two comics are doing right now with political content, you have to also not be shit on your own merits.

>At no point in the comic do you ever reach "THAT PART" that makes you drop it
Funny, I reached it at the first page, because I didn't have buyer's remorse I suppose

Fellas, fellas. It can be possible to not be SJW pandering nonsense and still be raw shit. The art looks fun but if it can maintain that look throughout is doubtful. Likewise the blurb on the back reads like nine bad movies got in a car crash and this barely walked out.

Also yes, I know he's deaf and apparently that means he can't write well or some shit according to his defenders and fans. It could just be bad and he needed someone to give it a once over.

Can't we all just HATE shit and each others tastes without defaulting to the two insults that now dominate the board. It used to be we had some REAL creative insults

No, again that's a false dichotomy, there's just so much bullshit that it sounds like an intentionally bad story.
See No mention of transgender or any soju shit, just complaining about a badly put together pile of clichés. For all I know it's full of positive depictions of strong MtF lesbians, it wouldn't make it any better.

>but some people don't want to read mindless schlock
It's not even good mindless schlock, it's fucking boring. Even schlock like absolute carnage goes full ham, this one is just there

>>Also yes, I know he's deaf and apparently that means he can't write well
How does being deaf mean he can't write well?

>I get that you're trolling, but some people don't want to read mindless schlock and would prefer to read good stories.
It really depends on where you set your bar for "good".
I would say this was "alright". It did everything competently, and had a few memorable pages, but overall pretty run-of-the-mill, and the only reason anyone will remember it 10 years from now is because trannies will still be dilating in anger over the author.

If you bring up that his blurb is bad. His fans, Comicsgaters and others say he's DEAF- which he is and he advertises he is- so apparently learning ASL taught him "different grammar" so now his spelling and tense is bad. But mentioning his writing being bad has people go "HES DEAF AND DOING HIS BEST". It's fucking hilarious.

>I know he's deaf and apparently that means he can't write well or some shit according to his defenders and fans.
What are you, some sort of ableist shitlord?

Absolutely.

>It did everything competently

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>apparently learning ASL taught him "different grammar" so now his spelling and tense is bad
But those are not even the issue there. The ideas themselves are bad and he puts them together in a messy way. The guy has four named characters in his blurb and they ALL have a 2cool4school letters in their names (K/X/Y).

>he guy has four named characters in his blurb and they ALL have a 2cool4school letters in their names (K/X/Y).
Really, all the shit in there and this is what you focus on?

No I know, I'm just telling you the most common thing heard. Having any issue with this man's concept is apparently you hating on a deaf guy. Like no joke, I think they even had a stream about how people calling this guys concept weird or bad was bashing a deaf guy and looks like you aren't so TOLERANT after all etcetc.

Comicsgate is a performance art at this point and it's always fun to find the next act.

Horseshoe theory is real, comicsgate is basically extreme sjws

It was based.

It's just the most amusing way to point out it's obviously trying way too hard to run on "rule of cool". And not even original rule of cool, just blatantly trying to be like way too many stuff the author has seen or read 30 years ago.

Kinda sounds like you're desperately trying to find reasons to hate it, but coming up short.

>and im thinking of funding them
This nigga can't be real

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But only if you insult them and their guys. Otherwise it's hurt feels.

>Kinda sounds like you're desperately trying to find reasons to hate it, but coming up short.
Hey hey hey, he's only emulating the comicsgators in this, cut him some slack

user, this was my post. I find way more wrong than just the guy's naming conventions, I just thought it was funny so I pointed it out.

But Kiwi Farms told me this was the best comic in years.

I wouldn't go that far.
But anyone saying that this completely average comic is somehow terrible are obviously doing so for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with the comic itself.

I don't think enough people know about this book to be seething about now, much less in a decade

Kiwi Farms also can't stop obsessing over CWC instead of letting him die in peace

I don't think anyone here said the comic itself is terrible since very few have read it, the criticism has been aimed at the synopsis which is fucking terrible and makes the comic sound bad.

>I don't think enough people know about this book to be seething about now
Then apparently you missed the other hundred threads we've had about it.

I guess I did

>But anyone saying that this completely average comic is somehow terrible are obviously doing so for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with the comic itself.
How new are you? You see this every Wednesday

We had threads about Jawbreakers, not about Starblades, which is what this reply chain was discussing.

To be totally fair, the guy creating this is Kyle Ritter, a deaf mute who is the colorist for a lot of the Comicsgate books. He's a "literal who?" in the comic world though, and has no actual experience, he's just a really good colorist, who turned out to also be a pretty good artist as well.

He definitely needs a writer or an editor or something, though. The story is pretty blah, and doesn't even read like a Super Hero comic. All the tropes seem like every Japanese RPG since literally the 1990s.

Hopefully in the future he teams up with talented people who can take full advantage of this skills and uplift them, and not some grifter in the "movement" that will use him as a prop while he draws a terrible comic full of strawmen.
I have never seen a thread about this one. In fact I remember the Shinobi shit posted earlier more (which got no replies, by the way ) than Starblades.

>doesn't even read like a Super Hero comic
Nothing wrong with that in and of itself. This seems a lot more like a sword and sorcery comic, with some unnecessary sci-fi sprinkled over it.,

>Comicsgate

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>food analogy
>enlightened centrist
This seems like a recipe for (You)s.

>hot chick
>cute...

>Did this comic live up to expectations?
Fuck no. It's shit

>Do you think Jon Malin can go back to working at Marvel?
Uhhh...

>only ONE side has good ideas
>it's the side I like btw :^)
extremists are extremely dumb amongst everything

>there's only two types of comics, SJWs and Boomer hacks

There's also Manga.

What's with the overpraise for manga? Honestly manga isn't in a better state nowadays than western comics

The bigger field means there's a greater chance of success.

Actually, the comic doesn't work because le comicgoobers have always delivered (despite SJWs saying that every single one is a scam that will never happen), and at least up to the standard of quality that was originally promised.
Even that visual monstrosity "Iron Sights" delivered exactly what it promised. The entire comic was the same quality (or lack thereof) as shown in the kickstarter page.
Nobody's taking money and doing something else. Hell, even that Alt-Hero one is still ongoing after all this time.

I'm weird about names too. A name that sounds too out there always pulls me out of a story. The premise for Starwhatever sounds alright and I imagine that while there are people like you and I who immediately tapped out there has gotta be people put there who read those names and couldn't get to their wallets quick enough. Different strokes.

Malin nothing on a page of this that makes me want to give this project money. Dude sandbagged on every single action scene. Those preview pictures convinced me the interiors would be solid.

jawbreakers was meh, but graveyard shift is legit good.
malin has been talking some about what he wanted to do with cable, and x-force when he was still at marvel. they pretty much ignored everything he had to say. pretty much the only he says he'd work for them again is if they gave him complete control over what he's working on.

it's amazing that Kyle Ritter, and also Canaan White were never snatched up by the mainstream companies.

i'm cool with that. that was the very reason i liked the old Crossgen books so much

Jonathan Hickman on Iron Sights

Lol you wish. Reminds me of that time when gators wanted to get fucking gaiman to support them. Gaiman

ethan van scivers comic is a year late and when backers ask where the comic is evs mocks them and calls them sjws

>backers
Consistently, the only people I've ever seen complain about anything regarding any other these comics are people who did not back it.

Because the people who didn't back the comics didn't fall for a scam artist.

>gators wanting Gaiman to support them because they've never even read Sandman
>sjws talking shit about him being a terf because they didn't understand the Sandman story and what a huge deal it was when it first came out
And yet he remains courteous throughout it all. I don't understand how he does it.

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Why. Why did they think he's a terf?

Thought it was alright, really hate the artstyle though. I love 90's stuff, but this just hurts my eyes.

Not really. Unless you make Shonen or moeshit you’re going to have to work another job to pay the bills.

>delivered
Isn't EVS on this 5th kickstarter for the same project?

The most recent one I remember was kind of sad. It was a transexual lass who'd read it as a kid and the way the transexual kid got killed in the comic made them feel bad. They thought Gaiman was making a statement with the Moon Goddess and the gravestone having the male name, rather than the final scene with Death. Then they never reread it or looked into Gaiman, and kept those bad feelings with them until now, presumably staying away from everything else to do with Gaiman and thus never seeing their mistake. It's kind of forgivable if you read it as a kid when you haven't been taught to parse messages yet, and just identify with the character and get hurt. It's way more understandable than the sjws who haven't even read the comic, just seen one or two out-of-context pages online and condemn it on that. But then of course she got defensive, even when Gaiman's old transexual friends that he asked advice from at the time came out to protect him. Gaiman finally found out that her grandma had died a day or two earlier and so deleted all his tweets directed at her. Class act all the way.

the most hilarious part was Richard then getting asspained Gaiman wanted nothing to do with them and kept trying to pull gotchas on Gaiman based on Wikipedia dates

Oh yeah, when he thought the date of Gaiman's first issue being published was the date of Gaiman being hired, bringing a full script and comic with him presumably?

Huh. This dude's art reminds me a lot of Jim Cheung's.

If they "fell for a scam artist", then they would be the ones that would get upset, not random SJWs.

Damn, honestly I think creators should just avoid social media all together. You don't know who these strangers are.

I didn't imply it was wrong, my incredibly baitable friends.

Well yeah, that's all fine and well, people can consume whatever they want, but I'll be making fun of it if I think it's stupid. He named his main character who has to PROTECT the world GUARDax. It sounds like a rat poison brand or an extra strong brand of adult diapers.
And you know what googling it it's the name of a brand of security shoes. Because that's the level of creativity we're dealing with here.

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Nah, m8, I say "unnecessary" for a reason. Sci-fantasy of all flavors is fine, but here it seems like an empty "scientific" excuse as to why you're supposed to buy that a sword and sorcery world exists.

Are the people that feel for Anita's scam upset?

Most creators perhaps, but Gaiman is like the patron saints of explaining things to people. It really is better for him to be there and correct people or help them out with questions. Creators who get upset or tired of the eternal song and dance obviously shouldn't, but then Gaiman jumped on the talking-with-fans-online train long before most people so he's probably had a longer learning curve than the ones jumping into twitter today.

Also, if creators didn't have twitter accounts then I'd never have learnt about William Gibson's fashion ideas and all the quirky made-for-life clothing lines he likes.

Sixth and if you act now you can buy Authentic Cyber-Frog Coins. I am not joking. That said apparently the comic is FINISHED he now has it at a publisher (it was delayed due to SDCC he said as all publishers were SUPER BUSY that time)and now he just needs to wait for the CROMIUM covers for finish, of which there have been some small delays. Allowing him to do another Indie-Gogo for ANOTHER variant cover for Vampriella on which he slapped the 50th anniversary sticker despite not being part of it and not being invited and doing a cover for a now two month old issue.

But Cyberfrog is 100% coming pals.

Yikes.

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>Do you think Jon Malin can go back to working at Marvel?

Why the fuck would he do that when his second gn already pulled in over $100k in funding?

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I hope niether of you are that fat faggot scott kurtz, or the spergs that called into the killstream weeks ago.

I hate how these faggots co-opted any attempt to deal with the bullshit that goes on at the Big 2, they're just as regressive if not more so.

the week is now over, has the book shipped?

Shut up Ted

He's signed about 2,000 of them that are to go to the first backers from last year. So they should be showing up by next week. If they're using the USPS there'll be a delay for labor day.

Since when has making shitty comics stopped anybody from failing upward in the comics industry?

It hasn't, just look at jamal igle or mark waid.

Old Yea Forums warned you the multiple times they tried to pull a comicgate during and after GG that it wouldnt work and would screw everyone involved over. People should have listened.

I'm not even in tune enough to know wtf you're talking about.

youtube.com/watch?v=gqpkZ2LPpps

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streamable.com/x4az1

And now my life is enriched by having more knowledge about how retarded people can be retarded online. Sure, let's go with that.

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It's 90's as fuck so yeah it delivered as promised.
Mymy problem is the boomers in CG misconstrue the 80's/90's comics industry as a standard, while not as bad as now but they are not doing a service to the greater growth of American comic industry.

i support comicsgate on principle but none of their books appeal to me.

Trump's Space Force was storytimed here. It was harmless fun.

literally was going to say the same thing. I only enjoy listening to them when they trash sjw's and talk about the shitty comics professionals but every time EVS or Meyer deviate from that subject it pisses me off.

The only thing that annoys me about them is how much power people have given him. Getting onto EVS' stream is probably the easiest way to get a project funded usually (his followers will buy anything he points his finger at) but they usually want you to kiss his and his cronies' asses first. Also putting you into the crosshairs of the CG bs if you do.

>Literally a jawbreaker

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Oh no, Bautista always likes to write more gritty stuff.

Not exactly sure how that answers their question considering a middle of the road book with, say, 30K issues sold per month, pulls $150K in average monthly. Obviously not all of that goes to the pockets of the creators, but it's nothing to scoff at (and again we're talking 30K which is very middle of the road these days).

Ya boi?
Like 'yeah, boi'
Or like 'it's ya Boi'
Tf is this

Trump Force was hilarious because it made fun of him but also played with the idea in a comedic way, nothing like trying to fluff the guy or anything. I'm sure many thought otherwise without reading it though, and I don't blame them, but it was definitely not the focus of the book.
Jawbreakers was just insulting in that bad 90's way. Like yeah, harmless for sure, but the storytelling was downright awful, like you just can't understand what drives a man to commit these ideas to paper.

a certain group of people sucking his dick vigorously and without cease

>Obviously not all of that goes to the pockets of the creators
That's why Malin would rather stick with his own IP and not bother with Marvel's shit.

Were can i read it?

he's still splitting that money with Richard, and Richard really seems like the kind of guy to fuck over artists

I'm talking about the Graveyard Shift graphic novel Malin has created. He got 100K for it last year and the sequel made over 100K this year already.

I thought it was pretty good for an Indie ashcan comic. I don't know why some of Yea Forums is such a wet blanket about the guy.

I liked Michael because he reminds me of Jim Carry in Me, Myself, and Irene.

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Not like he can anyway, he's thoroughly blacklisted, him and everyone involved.
There's absolutely no way this post was in earnest.

Yea Forums is infested with twitter/tumblr faggots and spergs that hate anything related to CG.

>I'm talking about the Graveyard Shift graphic novel Malin has created.

He made a comic about the best King movie?

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>Not like he can anyway, he's thoroughly blacklisted, him and everyone involved.
I'm sure he'll be fine without the Big 2.

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I hope you also don't believe there is gatekeeping in the industry because that actually is an example of gatekeeping.

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>pretty good
it's nigh incomprehensible and this nigga is LITERALLY FUCKING FLAT

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Again, those are paltry numbers compared to indie creators that are actually signed to a publisher. At least half if not more of that money has to go towards printing and shipping (and the first step is already painful as it is), so it's not as glamorous as it looks.
And I'm not saying that you have to stick corporate cock in order to get ahead, it would be highly hypocritical of me, who's opposed to the notion. I'm saying that there isn't much money to be had from this hobby, even if CG wants to paint the false idea that they're all reviving Image days. They certainly aren't, not with the poor output they have; I hate the guy but Liefeld was pulling a lot of stuff back in the day and then this allowed him to chill and sell properties like crazy, while EVS has been coasting off a single comic book by releasing multiple campaigns. I guess that's the trick though, but it's not sustainable.
You mean the blacklisting part? Malin himself burnt those bridges, and he wasn't the only one: I'm sure some of us here remember the Indonesian guy who inserted anti-Christian and anti-Jewish propaganda in X-Men, and you could easily say that was "simply exposing an opinion" too.

What's so autistic about these threads is that no one can tolerate different oppions over a (lets be honest here) a medicore comic. If you say you liked it, or thought it was pretty good. Well...You're really just a paid shill liar, or your tastes have no value for anything. If you didn't like this comic, you're a tranny sjw beta whatever. These are ALL the comicsgate threads on /co. Why does this comic have such mystic control over all of you fags? This thread should be dead already.

I think that's just a aesthetic choice user, since everyone, even the background props look like cardboard. although I don't find the artstyle very appealing. Too flat. Too boring.

>I think that's just a aesthetic choice user,
You mean the cameo by Reed Richards, there?

Drawing someone flat who isn't named Eel O'Brien is just bad art, not an aesthetic choice

Everyone on that page looks flat.

And? I said the art looked boring to me personally. But having one character with a flatter head then the rest of them (who all look flat as hell) and using that as the one representing example of why all the art is objective garbage just sounds retarded.

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"Let's complain about a shitty comic not a single person in this thread has read, created by a retarded conservative movement of e-celebs" yaaaaaaayyy.

would you rather we complained about a shitty comic created by a retarded liberal movement of YA writers because we can complain about America some more if you like

user. Look at the New Gingrich Guy in the third panel. Specifically, his head.

Yeah dude I'm not against it. Stupid names should be mocked. I mean "Guardax". If he was a sentient Axe or electric guitar then we wouldn't be having this conversation though.

Marvel isn't even Sjw anymore and America came out in 2016 and will forever stay in 2016. It would be amazing if Twitter drama was banned from Yea Forums. I think the politics there is cluttering the boards with shitty e-celeb shit.

>like you just can't understand what drives a man to commit these ideas to paper.
Essentially it's the "wow, everything is so terrible that I may have well try my fucking hand at it" approach only it worked out for him. It didn't re-invent the wheel but it demonstrates that the industry wouldn't be helping along it's decline by desperately attaching itself to the diversity brand. All that happens at that point is that months of content is burned p in attempting to build these characters up as interesting leads of the next generation except it's just really bad PSAs and uninteresting slice of life shit with like two pages of action.

Pump some hot blood into those fucking stories and stuff like this from literal who's wouldn't be out there earning the way they do.

>Marvel isn't even Sjw anymore

I'm not that obsessed with the page user to feel like re-checking.

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Well are they?

Newt Gingrich on panel three, is the flat guy everyone is referring to. It's okay to feel dumb, because you are.

I don't like how samey the dudes look. Water Man and Fire Guy should have more divergent hairstyles. Same goes for the Beard Bros. One of them has gotta either give it up or go a different color since, save for a couple of face lines, they're virtually identical. Hot chicks. One set of wings on a team is too god damn many as it is.

>you dumb and stupid
Oh my user, you flatter me so!

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>indiegogo.com/projects/starblades-vol-one#/
33 Leaf bucks for a 44 page funny book

They delivered what they promised.A fun 90's style adventure.
No way in hell current regime at Marvel would take Malin back.

Unless Ike Perlmutter cleans house.

Things will change eventually...eventually

>It didn't re-invent the wheel but it demonstrates that the industry wouldn't be helping along it's decline by desperately attaching itself to the diversity brand.
Oh for fucks sake, fuck off with this bullshit. There's absolutely nothing worth appreciating from this shit nor is a good response to anything, you're so fucking entrenched in the idea that diversity is wrong that you can't even see that there's way, WAY more comics out there than Squirrel Girl and America. Let it go already, this insight of yours is completely worthless. Like this, for example
>Pump some hot blood into those fucking stories and stuff like this from literal who's wouldn't be out there earning the way they do
Just shows you don't even read anything current whatsoever. Even in Big Two there's great stories but if you go to indie stuff there's great material also. Fucking mentally addled culture warrior faggot. And yes, I'm going ham on you because I've seen your posts, you got nothing to offer beyond platitudes to excuse garbage simple because it's not "SJW". Retardation made flesh.

>Are the people that feel for Anita's scam upset?
I have no idea, why don't you go ask your SJW friends?

>calls Anita a scam
>LOL SJW
you people are just fascinating

>you're so fucking entrenched in the idea that diversity is wrong
Not him, but I literally have no idea what you mean by this.

It's really not that deep, no point on explaining it either if you can't grasp the concept.

>it's just my art style
I'm pretty sure the dude just can't draw perspective.

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I don't get what "diversity" you're referring to. Racial diversity? Because Jawbreakers had a pretty "diverse" cast.

He said the industry is "desperately attaching itself" to the "diversity brand". That had nothing to do with Jawbreakers.

In that case, what do both of you mean by "diversity"?
Because I don't consider Marvel's obsession this last decade with putting white characters in blackface while spouting the exact same modern democratic party lines to be "diverse".

I just hate how these faggots try to conflate themselves as the only alternative. Like there's no middle ground between shitty SJWs comics or shitty Boomer 90s ripoff comics.

What that Iceman retard meant with "diversity brand" was pretty clearly women and non-whites, as that's code-speak for anything that isn't traditionally white ("because as you all know, the demographics who compose the fandom blah blah blah").
But that's completely irrelevant to the discussion because that's the argument culture warriors use to excuse the bullshit they peddle. Like yeah, there's a black dude in Jawbreakers, but that's the same imbecile who wrote him saying "by the power of 1000 slaves!" so I pretty much doubt that's a good example.

I agree with pretty much everything comicsgate complains about, but I just stick to webcomics these days. They have an actual diversity of writers and artists.

But that was one of the best lines in the whole comic.

As someone who's studying to get into comics myself. I don't like this artist drawing style (it's too generic for me). But your complaints show a lack of understanding and obvious partisan bias. "Bad perspective" or "the art is bad" with nothing more specific because you don't have the artistic skills to name what is actually wrong with the page.

I'm not him, but "Iron Sights" is one of the few stories I can say that a good story was ruined by bad art. When it was storytimed here, I had difficulty telling characters apart, and I remember some hispanic jokes falling flat because you couldn't tell who was supposed to be hispanic without putting it down in writing. Also, the gore looked less shocking, and more silly.
The stupid part is that literally all of this could have been fixed if they just added color.

You have to admit though, ALOT of businesses have been taking advantage of this current culture war anyway they can to remain relevant. comics, video games and even food brands.

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a character is literally flat. That is not a stylistic choice, that's an artist who doesn't understand perspective.

>The stupid part is that literally all of this could have been fixed if they just added color.
My bad, but I completely agree with this.

Can you explain art perspectives then for us user?

Because people keep falling for it. But one should be smarter than that as long as you recognize it as such.

creating the illusion of three dimensions on a two-dimensional surface

i.e. not making a nigga look flat

Then would you say these are better panels of this guys work?

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this is relatively ok, but it looks like he drew the car and the guy separately in the first panel
this has flat people too, and what looks like a rough sketch of a person he forgot to erase in the last panel
the fat guy has weird little baby arms because again, the artist has a tenuous grasp on perspective

>There's absolutely nothing worth appreciating from this shit
Good argument, faggot.

>but if you go to indie stuff
I don't give a fuck about indie stuff and your response is irrelevant.

I took some basic art classes, I know bad perspective when I see it. The characters lack depth to the point one dude looks like Flat fucking Stanley. The backgrounds are especially horrendous, they make the already flat characters look even more out of place. I'm no comic paneling expert either but even I can tell that having the characters switch sides like that in the bottom panel without moving their positions in the room is one huge cardinal sin.

this thread is literally about indie comics. Starblades is an indie comic.

I misquoted the wrong user. My fault.

>that's an ashcan

Makes me consider posting up the ashcan for the indie comic I'm working on with some people.

>looks at the smaller details to criticize
Good art is if you can understand what the imagery is conveying. If it can do that. Then the art is passable. That is subjective, true. But it's extremely easy to take any artists work, whether a obvious newbie's, or a master's and just nit pick inconsistencies and mistakes without context.

You inspired me to make my own art. If you can what I'm conveying then that means it's good and you're just nitpicking otherwise.

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Awww, somebody forgot to dilate today!

Kurtz is still alive!?

The difference is Mags won't ever make a quarter of a million off 'her' book.

Mags works on like 12 different books, like most of the Big 2 people. She’ll be fine.

Would comics suck less if they would stop doing this?
Would Kelly Thompson and Bendis be competent writers if they weren't writing 20 different dumpster fires at the same time?

Unquestionably. Good writing takes time, concentration, and mental strain. The fact Mags is able to diarrhea out as many pages as 'she' does proves there is no care or love of the craft involved.

>Good art is if you can understand what the imagery is conveying
fuck off

No
Fuck no

Yes and still has both feet apparently.

>Did this comic live up to expectations?
Yeah it was what I was expecting pretty much. I sold mine to back God King and Red Rooster
>Do you think Jon Malin can go back to working at Marvel?
Of course he can't, until, they get in entirely new management they're fucked

>The comic competently accomplished everything a comic should do.
Christ, how low are your standards?

This comic is garbage but still miles better than the average marvel sjw comic.

Both are absolutely shit compared to manga tho. American comics as a whole are fucking terrible.

I remember last time we had this thread there was some utter sperg who if you questioned Malin's art was demanding you list better artists than Malin and was reviewing people's comments. He also claimed "Arguing about textures and the size of things is retarded as no artist is perfect at that and you just want a culture war."

It's good to see it's NOT that bad. I look forward to the threads storytiming their comics more than the comics. The Iron Sights, Jawbreakers and Graveyard Shift threads were honestly hilarious for the responses to the comic over the comics themselves.

It'd help if you could like or hate this without picking and a side and honestly if you made a comic about the comicsgate creators and the sheer toxic landfill amounts of drama and arguments they get in making their super late "not political" comics it'd be ten times more engaging and dramatic than any of their actual comics.

In this months issue Will EVS condemn Mike for besmirching a dead man's work or will he and Doug Tennenpal get in another argument over how he's NOT IN CHARGE of Comic'sGate cause it's NOT a company but he is still copyrighting the name, logo and brand for his own use!?

Will they find a way to blame a cosplayer who is able to get industry connections by not being a raging fuck nugget in public for all their failed ideas!? Will TUG bring up how he's been doxxed for the twelth time this year and not his wife soliciting DIC PIX from underage fans!?

Tune into COMICSGATEZ

>Christ, how low are your standards?
Clearly not as low as yours, if this one-off decent and neutral indie comic is what is grinding your gears, while you unironically defend DC and Marvel.
>inb4 HURR WHATABOUTISM
It's not whataboutism, because this comic was objectively okay.
Whatever cuckshit you gargle from nuMarvel is not, despite having infinitely more resources.

nothing about the comic is decent. It is not objectively ok. The writing is unironically America-tier, and the art would be laughed out of the room by any professional.

I don't understand, is this actually good for companies? Do profits actually go up? all it seems to do is make no one happy according to these articles.

>his wife soliciting DIC PIX from underage fans!?
no way.

>nothing about the comic is decent. It is not objectively ok.
The worst thing about this comic is that it's average, from a classic comic sense, as opposed to a "CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE STRAIGHT WHITE MALE" sense. It's not particularly special, but doesn't make you cringe like most modern capeshit.
>The writing is unironically America-tier
Congratulations, you just showed everybody reading this thread that you have absolutely no idea what was wrong with Gabby's writing.

>honestly if you made a comic about the comicsgate creators and the sheer toxic landfill amounts of drama and arguments they get in making their super late "not political" comics it'd be ten times more engaging and dramatic than any of their actual comics.
Some tranny did that and made this garbage. So please reconsider this statement.

kickstarter.com/projects/797348512/astonishing-gaters

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Exactly. you have grown men and women upset over fucking chocolate. Which leads to them to ranting in comments about how its the left or rights fault they're mad over chocolate, and click on the next article to repeat the process.

>average
This is not the standard of comics, it is quite clearly below mediocre in both art and writing. Sure, it's not offensively bad in any way but you can be shit without being offensive or incitive.

The only difference between Iron Sights and something like America is that Marvel was retarded enough to pick up America.

Negatively obsessing over art by other people is the first step in becoming a failure as a artist yourself.

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Yeah, threads all about it. She basically went around asking for dick picks from dozens of CG people and then their fans and got some.

All anyone here is saying is that the art looks like shit and gave concrete reasons to support that opinion. All you've done is brush any of these criticisms away with hugbox handwaves of "that's nitpicking, you're obsessed about it!" and other such bullshit reasoning for people daring to have standards with art.

I thought this was the one made by a 13 year old who tore into Iron Sights? I actually have read it and honestly doesn't go hard enough on the drama. Just mocks Malin for having shit art and Ethan for being a hideous boomer. Unironically it's as bad as Iron Sights but like doesn't cost 40 bucks. Also at least it came out on time and on budget.

and people paid $30 for Iron Sights

No, it was made bu a full blown tranny

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He didn't defend Marvel you partisan retard. Stop this false dichotomy and argue on the comic's own merits.

>argue on the comic's own merits.
he can't, because there are none. The same thing happened in the storytime thread.