Why can't Steven Universe into fusion?

Why can't Steven Universe into fusion?
How do they fuck up such a simple concept?

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Stevonnie and Rainbow Quartz 2.0 already make SU better than any DB series

>implying

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>make a show about super cool fighting aliens
>fights end with enemies dying or being beaten into retreat/surrender
vs
>make a show about super cool fighting aliens
>fights end with enemies changing their entire ideologies because of the protag's public speaking skills

inb4 vegeta and piccolo
they changed sides after actual character development.

So you're saying Steven Universe is basically Naruto?
And you're implying this is a good thing

Pretty sure that fusion is more analogous to veku

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Still looks better desu

>Yamcha
>Tien
>Piccolo
>Vegeta
>The Androids
>Buu

Even though the newer fusions are weird I still consider Smoky Quartz to be the only really ugly one and I still don't know what the fuck Sugar was thinking. Smoky looks like Gabby Rivera designed them.

He said posting a picture that introduced and then abandoned a rule of fusing.
>"If you fuse with these earrings you become super powerful but fuse forever"
>"Oh wait they separated nvm"

>no DSL
>better

I had to Google this to figure out what the fuck you were saying
I hope cumbrians get genocided

>didn't know the anagram for DickSuckingLips
>knows the term cumbrain
Modern newfags, everyone.

It’s only permanent for gods

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shitty retcon, made Vegito completelly pointless since they can just go Gogeta instead.

is that a genuine character model from SU?
i genuinely thought the designs couldn't get more unattractive

Well the earrings are good for an hour and the dance is only a half hour, so

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>yamcha
tried to steal something, sparred with goku, not a villain.
>tien
fought people and injured them during a tournament, stopped fighting when he found out chiaotzu was cheating on his behalf. Not a villain
>piccolo
said things about wanting to take over the world but never actually did many bad deeds. The closest example of being talk no jutsu'd in the show, except in this case it took gohan a full year to get to him while steven does it in 10 minutes.
>vegeta
was a villain consistently for many years, only didn't destroy earth because of that good earthling pussy/threat of goku. Took the entirety of Z to be redeemed.
>the androids
never did anything past stealing a truck in this timeline. Not villains
>buu
the evil part of buu was killed

and you're trying to compare this to
>the diamonds
have definitely, 100%, taken over and drained many planets of resources. Planted a bomb inside earth to destroy it. Known to execute subjects for minor infractions. Essentially a g rated version of frieza. Talked around in about 5 minutes and immediately forgiven.

Most planets in the universe don't have life. The fact that they eventually finded Earth is a miracle.

>Well the earrings are good for an hour
Except when they aren't

Rainbow Quartz 2.0 and Obsidian are pretty cool SU fusions, Stevonnie is ok as well.

All the rest are deformed monstrosities and thats mainly because theyre fat.

>tried to steal something, sparred with goku, not a villain.
He's a theif, user. Of course he was a villain.
>fought people and injured them during a tournament, stopped fighting when he found out chiaotzu was cheating on his behalf. Not a villain
He was working for one of the major villans, though.
>said things about wanting to take over the world but never actually did many bad deeds. The closest example of being talk no jutsu'd in the show, except in this case it took gohan a full year to get to him while steven does it in 10 minutes
His intentions speak more than his actions, though.
>was a villain consistently for many years, only didn't destroy earth because of that good earthling pussy/threat of goku. Took the entirety of Z to be redeemed.
You are right on this one, though.
>never did anything past stealing a truck in this timeline. Not villains
See what I said about Piccolo.

Combiners > Fusion

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>androids
>working for dr gero

being a thief is not on the same level as intergalactic genocide.
>working for one of the main villains
you mean the crane hermit? because being owner of a rival martial arts school to the hero's doesn't make you a villain
>intentions speak more than actions
if the diamonds had only said 'we're thinking about draining planets to spread our empire' maybe i'd be a bit more understanding of their instant redemption.

Another overarching difference is that nearly all of the redeemed villains in DB/Z start off their redemption arcs as reluctant allies against common enemies, not as the main big bads. yamcha with pilaf, tien with king piccolo, piccolo with the saiyans, vegeta with frieza, then the androids, then cell, the androids with cell.

>steven is talk no jutsu!!
Legit fuck off with that shit, the only reason the diamonds accepted what he said was because he is rose/pd

It’s like his super power, the same way Blue can make enemies feel overwhelming sadness, Pink can make enemies feel overwhelming love and compassion

Lapis and Lazuli never did jack shit for Gero. He abducted them and turned them into cyborgs, and they kill him in all timelines in return.

Steven universe unironically handles fusion a million times better than dragon ball does

>fatso + fatso = bigger fatso
>buff guy + buff guy = not a bigger buff guy
i think it's the other way around

i was going to argue you but i kinda just remembered zamasu and kibitoshin, which actually does this very well.
I dont think vegetto is a good fusion design wise, it shines because the new personality.

>why don't we use malachite, sardonyx, opal or alexandrite as a better example?
because people wouldnt take the bait that way.

He doesn't have Vegeta's hair at all.

They literally took the last gasp of DBZ and made it into something far better.
It's not simply about increasing your power level to beat a pink goo man. It creates avenues for character development and growth.

Malachite's pretty cool

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This is your brain on SU

> Make a show about fighting
Vs
> Make a show about crying
ftfy

>said things about wanting to take over the world but never actually did many bad deeds. The closest example of being talk no jutsu'd in the show, except in this case it took gohan a full year to get to him while steven does it in 10 minutes.
on the flipside gohan changing piccolo actually felt like something instead of being the "don't do that or i'll cry plz" crap SU did for most of the show.

Yugioh did it better

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based

>imagine being such a horny loser you think fusion dance is essentially sex.
Is it not? If Steven is a fusion, if that chapter was about consent, if the canon nongendered gems are also canon poly lesbians,... how is not the fusion sex?

Can't argue with that.

It's not just sex. That's an oversimplification.
It's a representation of relationships of all kinds not just romantic ones.
Consent doesn't just apply to sex either user.

The same way you fuck up a simple sentence.

Newfags everyone

Steven on Amethyst is so hot

How exactly does fusion work in SU? It feels so inconsistent. Sometimes the fusion acts like their own person, other times they act like two people piloting one body. Which is it?

Both

if it was sex then steven was fucking with all his adoptive moms.

There's a reason why Lars hung out with him despite Steven being everything that would annoy an insecure teenager.

Can yellow make people feel wrath?

They know their viewer base. Healthy and fit people scare the fuck out of them.

So Obsidian is a powerful God while Fluorite is a slow worm. Why is that?

i see it as they both fusing into a new self, most of the time that self loses the fight and the fusion crumbles, other times the self becomes so strong it remains over the self of the others (garnet sugalite malachite).
Its quite fascinating when protrayed right, stevonie feels like bullshit half the time and that the writters werent sure what they were doing.

diamond powers > off color abortion.

But which one is hotter

Literally Obsidian

It's close relationships.

In the show we had examples of:
Close friends
Childhood love
Sexual partners
Comrades in arms
Siblings
Romantic love
Family units
Poly freaks

I wouldn't put that possibility past Rebecca Sugar

It's a three legged race of consciousness. You can still think like one person can, but you have the mental assets of both participants. At the same time, it's not an easy thing to do and requires cooperation and a unity of purpose. Otherwise you end up falling down or straying from what you're supposed to be doing.

This. Fusion in Dragonball is completely pointless and just makes a slightly different looking Goku to job like everyone else who isn't base Goku.
In SU there is an actual point and fusions actually get to do stuff and combine abilities, personality traits and visual ques from the components.
Both series kind of suck but SU does fusion 100 times better.

Smokey is the best, but I get why people would be put off by the design

Now if we're talking rad fusions, I'm all about Sunstone and from the upcoming movie (ACTUAL SPOILER) Steg

>Stronger bond=Stronger and more solid fusion
If the gems have a weak bond they act for their own in the fusion, malachite as an example.

Obsidian is comprised of gems whose lives have been spent on developing their individual power and combat prowess. They contain a diamond and a Sapphire, rare and powerful gems.

Flourite is literally a worm. She's small because she lives in fear all the time. She's made of broken, weak, and weak willed gems. She's basically a well justified coward.

Smocky's design is literally Amethist but fatter, rounder, uglier and with a layer of brown paint. It's a disgusting and lazy design, and I find that weird since the fusions of the other gems are really pleasing to look at.

Yes, this user summarized it really well

>So you're saying Steven Universe is basically Naruto?
Why do people keep saying this? Naruto has actually beaten people into the ground.

Smokey is the fusion of Amethyst and Steven, what the fuck did you expect? It's a great design that channels both characters perfectly.
Why do you think that adding Steven to Amethyst would make her more fuckable?

She's probably also an Alice in Wonderland allegory. Probably a bullshit theory, but I like it

>Steven and Lars go down a hole
>They meet Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum (Rutile)
>Someone who is always late (Padparadscha)
>A slow talking caterpillar (Flourite)
>And Rhodenite who might be the Queen of Hearts or the Cheshire Cat, dunn things kind of fall apart here)

>Complaining that it's NOT ripping off anime.

okay

>BDZ invented fusions

DB fusions are actually good tho. Also NAME ONE Fusion that Jobbed
>inb4 Gotanks when he was absorbed

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Best Fusion is Malachite

>NAME ONE Fusion that Jobbed
Name one that actually won a battle without splitting up.
Some of the non-canon game fusions are fun I'll give you that.

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DBS: Broly is in fact canon. Cope!

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Speaking of cool non-canon fusions, I heavily recommend DB Fusions for the 3DS. It's actually really fucking good

I thought they would be a little more in synch and bigger, the double arm just makes me think he's up her butt

This nigga in The Broly and Janemba movies and Gotanks with his first fight with Buu

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Ah, I stopped watching after DBZ. Still though every fusion in DBZ was kind of pathetic. It is nice to see them actually being useful in Super.

>Gotanks with his first fight with Buu
Did he win? I thought he got eaten or something.

Man, it's such a small thing, but seeing him finally become canon made me so happy.

Helps that the movie was great

It would fit the satanist themes of the show.

not him but he did. Gotenks was a jobber

Vegito actually never lost he was just planning to get absorbed so he can save everyone

Eh.

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He won the first fight when they were in the Time Chamber but then was abosrbed when Gohan showed up

Okay but Sunstone tho

He beat him th3 first go around but then when they fused again with Gohan near he was absorbed.

>DSL triggering someone on Yea Forums

What happened to the next generation that turned each and every one of them into an old church lady?

They've got anchor arms, and everybody loves them!

I like the little lady arms

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social media made people scared of being themselves 24/7.

That's Sapphire cheering on Steven and Ruby!

This is litterally the only SU fusion I like

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no Gotenks jobbed upon first encountering Buu

They didnt even fight Fat Buu because they de fused before they even saw him. I'm talking about when he used Super Ghost Kamikaze attack and Buu Volleyball

Boi

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I'd say SU does way more with fusion. We've only ever seen 3 canon fusions in DB with two of them being the same two people.

Which one is that one?

>Opal back in the movie
>Singing and everything

Opalchads, your faith has been rewarded

She’s only in for a minute

Why can't you?

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The song she sings with Steg is one of the longer ones and apparently really good, so I dunno about that

Has Dragonball had anyone who didn't look similar fuse yet at all?
Like Tien with Picollo? Or just anyone who wasn't a Saiyan with another saiyan of similar age/build?

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Ballerina archer.

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BEST
GIRL

Gogeta
Vegetto
Gotenks
Kefla
Zamasu
Kibitoshin

We've seen a few

Pretty sure an evil version of Goku fuses with a green alien guy in super but the fusion just ends up favoring the green guy.

The difference is some fusions I want to slam me in the ass.

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>but the fusion just ends up favoring the green guy.
Because "Evil Goku" was literally Zamasu in Gokus body.

It was zamasu fusing with zamasu technically

Yes, this is Goku's body + a green Kai

There are some non-canon fusions as well, like Tien + Yamcha

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Oh shit I forgot about those. Still I feel like it's only scratching the surface though especially since it would be an easy way to rebalance the lower tier characters so that they can actually keep up with Goku.

Well Piccolo has fused twice so far already, I'm not sure why they don't introduce some new Namekian to serve as fusion fodder

Ah okay cool.
That's still canon? I assumed that would have been retconned, what with it being as useful/important as Bulma's activities on Namek.

I'm surprised they haven't had some noncanon movie of Lord Slug fusing with an entire army worth of namekians to be super God level powerful.

well that’s not a character model from a model sheet (it’s fanmade, pic related is official), but it is an official design

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I feel like throwing up
At least tell me it's intentionally ugly, and not some "so powerful" social statement

Smokey looks goofy because Steven and Amethyst bonded over being the "worst" crystal gems. Ironically so because Smokey fucking STOMPED Jasper right after they fused

I think most people here like DB over SU. But you're on crack thinking DB fusions has actual personality and time put in them compared to SUs. Maybe compared to the rushed Steven pearl/garnet ones but the rest of DBs is just more angsty goku or more jokey midget goku.

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Super sounds incredibly retarded but I can't tell if it is a fun kind of retarded.

That's a thing in Super. Two Namekians from U6(?) fuse with half of their race each to become super powerful

Garnet is her own being. She is aware of and acknowledges that her very existence is bound by the shared consciousness of Ruby and Sapphire.

Sometimes the show provides some interesting insight into how fusions operate, other times it extremely redundant and meandering garbage. The show forgoing fusion dance sequences is extremely disappointing.

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Fucking love Kefla.

Vegetto is clearly distinct from Goku and Vegeta while sharing personality traits from both.

Virgin Experience v. Chad Strongest

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They are a fusion between the two fattest CGs and their main personality trait as a fusion is that it hates itself. Pretty sure it is on purpose.

Fusion dances were never necessary, just something to help gems who aren't super close sync up. They brought it back for Obsidian though which was cool

Because diamonds were right.

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>I can't tell if it is a fun kind of retarded.
yes

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It’s a thing

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He fought fat Buu without transforming and got his shit pushed in.
Their fight in the time chamber didn't go anywhere. When piccolo thought it was going to be a draw, he blew up the exit.

they wished to get separated again with the namekian dragon balls

>Actually believing this

the DBS manga also inserted a retcon explaining that the bomb Krillin wished out of their bodies was also what made them evil in the first place

didn't one member of the crewverse staff said on twitter that gem fusion is essentially analogous to sex?

Obviously not, that's been a meme for years. The term, if such a comment existed, would be "relationship". The concept of consent isn't limited to sex either, it's mostly about trust and acceptence.

Digimon has the superior fusions except for that teapot freak from adventure 02

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speaking of being "in sync", it really bothered me that Steven was able to fuse with gems in their unconscious state. Wasn't consent a big part of SU's fusion? Same as the bullshit with Jasper and the corrupted doggy.

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I totally forgot about Kibito. It still a recolor with different wearing, tho.

>Omnimon
Neither I nor my digiautism can't argue wit you, my sir.

I think I would've liked his original concept more tho

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Jasper's case was a forced fusion. In Steven's case he's essentially reaching inside their gems to bypass the damage done by YD. They're aware of the process given what Smokey (or Amethyst) says after they form in CYM

>Don't worry! I'm here for...hmm, what just happened? Holy smokes...I'm Smokey! Steven, you beautiful genius. You brought Amethyst out of her gem through fusion!?

Because Sugar thought something that was just a dumb power up created by a notorious hack was a prime tool for exploring relationships. Toriyama might be a shit writer but even he wouldn't conceive of something so stupid.

>centaur body
No.

Fuck you

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Now post a webm showing how shit SU looks in comparison

Holy fuck that manga is awful

I thought the show was bad, but somehow the manga is just worse

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Quads of truth.

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Get some new bait Yea Forums. The only one of these shots that looks wonky is the tracking one.

I like the current arc though

If you ignore the fact that Steven keeps getting shorter every time the camera cuts.

Meh, even if that's true, one good arc does not justify every other one being shit

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Fusion sucks and has always sucked, in other forms of media how much it sucks as a concept is usually hidden by hype because it only shows up once or twice and acts as a huge power boost. But Steven Universe makes it a central part of the universe and story, which means that all the shit that comes with it when you go any deeper than surface level with fusion comes roaring to the forefront. Making it shit

so, why does fusion sucks?

>then the androids, then cell, the androids with cell.
Shaka, when the walls fell.

Vegeta blew up an entire civilization of bug people and murdered a whole village if innocent namekians and now he's one of the main protagonist

QUALITY

plant lives matter

>tien
>Not a villain
The guy intentionally broke Yamcha's leg for the fun and was a willing pawn of Crain. He stopped being evil only after Roshi takino justued him into being good.

> Make first episode about Steven trying to summon his WEAPON
> Lol I don't get why people want the characters in SU to fight so much
Like i get it ended up being a shield but for fucks sake, the main 3 crystal gems don't summon their weapons at all in CYM outside of Obsidian. People forgot that Bismuth gave Garnet and Pearl upgrades because they summoned their weapons so rarely after that episode. What was even the point of giving them upgrades if they didn't amount to anything?
Yes, it's ultimately not an action show and the focus is not on good fights or action, but you wouldn't have guessed that if you just got off watching the first season, and the gems are super cool fighting aliens. It's just that Rebecca decided to make a really cool premise for an action show for her character driven "there's a world where Earth is tolerant" escapist soap opera.

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I'm give you Steven but Amethyst has always been more curvy than obese. Even so, choosing the "big" aspect of them to focus on Smokey's design was a mistake, and I like Smokey more than most. There was a fan fusion back before Smokey was revealed that actually was smaller than the either of them because it emphasized their youth. I think that's a much more interesting concept.

this height inconsistency is just ridiculous

So the metaphor is that people with strong bonds lose their individuality.

Putting on an earring is much easier than learning a convulted dance that can also screw up and make you weak.

To be fair most of those were for reasons unrelated to Goku.

Yamcha was at least nominally evil until he got with Bulma.

Tien was evil and an asshole but he had to deal with Piccolo so he had to work with the others. Even then he was a loner and didn't hang out with the others besides training when he was forced to.

Piccolo was nominally evil all the way to Android Saga and developed due to Gohan, not Goku.

Vegeta was also an ally of convenience and only stuck around because of the androids, then because he had a son. He didn't mellow out until Super and they had to reference shit from Buu saga to justify it.

18 switched sides for Krillin. 16 switched sides for Gohan. 17 just stopped caring because he was never invested in the whole thing anyway.

Buu was all Mr. Satan.

There isn't actually a single villain that turned good due to Goku's influence. Because Goku himself is explicitly an amoral being who doesn't care about good and evil and at best only nominally cares about his home or family or friends.

if you think about it, the SU movie and the DBS movie will have the exact kind of ending.