Rank them

On top of that, he came from the merchandise era of cartoons.
What cool shit did Mumm-Ra own?
Skeletor had Snake Mountain, all kinds of cool vehicles and bizarre henchmen
Cobra, likewise, was loaded with all kinds of fun toys
Shredder had his technodrome, he had robots, he had mutants
Megatron, well, Transformers by their nature are their own vehicles and weapons

Mumm-Ra? He had a couple animal people in loin clothes who just used stone age weaponry for some reason, even though they had spaceships. Why didn't he have as many cool gadgets and shit as the Thundercats? He and his group were the least toyetic in the toyetic era.

which shows how disingenuous the outrage over Thudnerctas Roar was.

Honestly, I feel like the outrage was less about preserving Thundercats' image, and more just lashing out at the "beanmouth" style. That and people just stoking a fire to see how big a shitstorm they can create.
Thundercats Roar could have been a remake of ANYTHING, or even a new IP, and it probably would have gotten the same reaction

4,5, 1, 3, 2

I don't think it was disingenuous. Out of all these shows I've only really seen TMNT and G1 Transformers compared to the others, and their adaptations and spin-offs. The only one I know of that hasn't had a movie adaptation was Thundercats and I never saw the 2011 Thundercats series. Literally the only thing I know about Cobra Commander is that he also has a different design with a helmet. I mostly know Skeletor from memes. But I barely know anything about ThunderCats and even less about Mumm-Ra.

If I were a fan of ThunderCats when the show was airing alongside the other shows mentioned, I'd probably be pretty pissed how the other shows have been kept alive, but ThunderCats was only given one attempt at a reboot before becoming ThunderCats Go!

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Shredder > Cobra Commander > Skeletor > Mumrah > Megatron
FUCK Transformers, it was never good.

Skeletor
Megatron
Cobra Commander
Shredder
The background
The mountain you can just barely see next to Cobra Commander
Cobra Commander's snake staff
Mumm-Ra

>ranking the snake staff that low
Snake staff is way better than the background

It's because Mumm-Ra is a roided out lackey.
He has to ask his bosses for a power up just to lose properly, while the others are always implicitly one good power up away from wasting the good guys.

In the comic he was a salesman but in the cartoon he was a mutated snakeman.

But the snakeman thing is completely ignored outside of the original cartoon. When the show came back after the movie, they only showed him in the snake form before giving him a humanoid form and never directly talked about how he turned into a snake. Once he puts on a mask they get rid of Serpentor, pretend like nothing ever happened and act as he was always human. If it wasn't for the movie, it might as well never have been a thing at all. Seriously, the movie even contradicts the Season 2 finale in which CC returns to his leadership role. If you skip the movie and the first five episodes of season 3, you'd never know about him ever having been a snake.

As for his backstory in other versions:
>Marvel: Salesman
>Devil's Due: Vigilante
>IDW: Multiple people using the same alias.
>Resolute: Unclear, probably human though.
>Renegades: Tycoon
>Sigma 6: Alleged "Warrior King"
>2009 movie: American soldier

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in this rendering it looks kinda stupid. The hood edge is too light, it makes it look like a snake head with basset hound ears.

Mumm-Ra won in that one comic where he turned the Wilys into his weird fetish slaves and let the Beastmen have Cheetara for their rape dungeon. Obviously he lost later on, but still.

Maybe they figured making him a used car salesman was evil enough.

>it makes it look like a snake head with basset hound ears.

Fuck, I can't unsee it now

Skullmaster had a dumber name than any of these guys.

Was actually a threat though.

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>90s cartoon character

That's why. The 90s was really when action cartoons amped up the threat levels for villlains.

Before that, they could LOOK menacing, but they still had to have the 70's style mustache twirling "nyah hah hah" attitude.
That's why they all had annoying voices, whereas the 90s gave us Tim Currys, Mark Hamills, Tony Jays and Clancy Browns

By that logic all of them have won at one point or another.

Wasn't him being a snakeman not even a thing in the cartoon even, but only in the movie?

Megatron > Shredder > Mumm-Ra > Skeletor > Cobra Commander

Shredder really seems like the lowest level, least threatening one of the group.

And mostly from the show ignoring that he actually had huge armies of robot ninjas and alien resources. They only showed up a few times in the entire run of the show.

It all works on kid logic.

It sounds cool for a ninja master to have robot ninjas and a giant robot to turn into a gun and an evil mummy have mutant monster minions to go fight bad guys. Kids never think into any deeper levels than that in the first place because it all works on rule of cool. As long as they look and sound cool while doing it who cares.

>he actually had huge armies of robot ninjas and alien resources.

As far as the cartoon was concerned, he might have been marketed as the main villain, but let's be real, he was always just Krang's bitch.
Remember the stint when Krang was like "no, fuck YOU, you kill the Turtles without my help."

Krang wouldn't even let him have Rocksteady and Bebop for a while. When you're being denied even bottom-of-the-barrel mooks, you know you're a bitch.

They were all different depending on era and medium.

Comic CC was a car salesman who turned evil and formed up a terrorist organization.
First season cartoon CC was some random guy who was a part of several uprisings and bombings around the globe, was disfigured in some way and led a huge army and kidnapped scientists
Second season CC was a snake mutant from snake mutant country that led a army to take over the world for snake mutants.

>It sounds cool for a ninja master to have robot ninjas
I figured that was just Samurai Jack-styled censorship.

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They also won a lot more often. Skullmaster won at the end of several episodes. As did Xanatos, Neosapiens, and Robotnik,

He was only a villain mastermind with armies of robots in like the first couple episodes. After that the technodrome was on Earth and shredder was a lone guy causing trouble with either Stockman or Bebop and Rocksteady as his minions.

Even the rock soldiers almost never appeared after the initial appearance and it was just the four main villains mostly acting on their own without help for the rest of the show.

Mumm-Ra
Skeletor
Cobra Commander
Megatron
Shredder

>I could write a book about what you don’t know
youtu.be/mNz6eHfsESQ

Skeletor
Shredder
Megatron
Mumm-Ra
Cobra Commander

You often do see these five as the core '80's villain characters, but there's usually one or two more tacked in group art on like Venger or Tex Hex.
The real question is who deserves to be up with the 'big 5' if anyone?

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There's also around 9 million novelty shirt designs featuring them.

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Mon-Star was fucking based

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Megs
Skelly = CC
Shredder = Mummy

Wait, I thought the movie was the very last OG cartoon?

>IPC: Neo-Nazi nobleman who murders his whole organization to re-emerge as CC

Skull master won so hard time had to reboot.

Middle 2 on right side, who!

Cyril Sneer, lumber-baron and aardvark entrepreneur from The Raccoons, and Emperor Krulos from Dino-Riders.

Below Krulos, also that’s a huge nostalgia bomb.

>Seriously, the movie even contradicts the Season 2 finale in which CC returns to his leadership role.

Wha? I was always pissed as a kid that Cobra Commander got pushed aside, but I don't remember him usurping power before the film... how'd he do it?

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The one twirling his mustache is Dick Dastardly, from Wacky Races and other Hanna Barbera shows. Unsure who the ursine or feline villainess is from.

Fuck you guys for leaving out the Inhumanoids.

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S- There's so many versions of Megatron and all of them are done really well overall, I can't not rate him on top.
A- Shredder dies easily and his original cartoon version has his issues, but his 2000 version was so relentless and creepy
B- Skeletor is the silliest, but he owns it really well.
B- Mumra's track record isn't much better than the others, and he only has two iterations, but that odd rankin and bass way of speaking he has makes him stand out.
D- Cobra Commander is pretty whiney and I feel like he fails a lot more often than any of them, His renegades variation was Ok.

Megatron gets shit done on occassions.

>captured X-ray, created an Army of Laser eggs and destroyed the Horse Head Nebula base

I don't think we give Destructo enough credit.

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Who's their leader? We're not going to put all of them in.

Other one is Catrina from the original mlp

well megatron killed prime, so he feels the most worthy of the top spot, the others are more subjective but I feel shedder>skeletor>mumm-ra>cobra commander is a fair way to rank then, based on legacy along at least

If anything Cobra Commander is the best person to work for. Medical benefits and other forms of compensation are well known and loyalty is actually rewarded in the organization.

meltar is the leader but d'compose is the coolest

I mean, it's a bit unfair considering how many reboots Megatron has gotten.

Shredder is kinda pathetic considering how many reboots he's gotten

hey now, shredders cool in every cartoon past the 1st

>Shredder
>Skeletor
>Cobra Commander
>Mumm-Ra
>Megatron

I mean in the comic he rules the world for years. If having nubile cat teenagers wash your mumm-balls for you for years isn't winning, I don't know what is.

I fucking love Destructo

>The only one to actually kill his nemesis
>Bottom

Dipshit.

Shredder has killed Splinter before.

Skeletor>cobra commander>shredder>mumm ra>megatron

It is. They're humans in most continuities

Pizzazz wins for sheer insane dedication, as well as being right 90% of the time about her songs being better.

Megatron. It was always offscreen, but he was winning the most. At the beginning of the show, Cybertron is all but under his iron grip.

The movie between the second and third season? He's completely won Cybertron.

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He also killed Prime and technically Starscream.

And then there's the live-action movies where two in particular's brand of evil are dialed to an eleven.

Shredder and Skeletor in the 1990 and 1988 movies own the films they're in. They truly make the protagonists work for that victory.

Megatron? His presence feels like a gnaw to their's and he's been in five damn movies. Cobra Commander? Alright, the origin for his live-action counterpart are dubious in his first outing, but his second he's easily one of the best parts of the sequel movie and commands a huge presence when he's onscreen (for what little time he gets).

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Should be Dr. Blight on this chart instead of Captain Pollution

Captain Planet is a 90’s cartoon, and Doctor Blight was his biggest actual antagonist.

We just doing merchandised stuff?

Because some animated movie villains belong on here, as well as some of the Ghostbusters villains.

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These rankings don’t mean any of them are bad.

Megatron. Considering that in the G1 Cartoon, he not only has a functional space bridge, he got to send Energon back home on several occasion...oh and he conquered Cybertron.

Hmmm, let's see.

Whateven fucking is Mumm-Ra? Like an ancient human or something and he just was an asshole to cat people from space? Eitherway, he's last place.

Shredder is neat, but he basically ran a crime syndicate, and the Turtles murdered him in issue 1. Forth.

Megs and Skeletor got so much going on, but Megatron did want to strap rockets to Cybertron and use it as a mobile base for interstellar war. I know Castle Greyskull could do all that and more, but the STEEL BALLS it takes to say "this is the plan!" and still raise a willing army earns him 2 and Skeletor 3.

Cobra Commander is just some asshole who got so pissed about, honestly, 1st world problems, that he became a threat to the entire globe, and nearly took over the world despite the Joes and his own backstabbing inner circle. And he can kick a stray dog in the face and I'll STILL love him. Number 1.

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>If I were a fan of ThunderCats when the show was airing alongside the other shows mentioned,
I was, and I don't care. Thundercats doesn't hold up the way G.I.Joe and Transformers does, and the 2011 reboot was a horribly written mess by the end of ONE SEASON. Roar is objectively the smartest direction to go to prove the IP even matters enough to come back as a pure action show in the future.

Honestly, after Roar wraps, Thundercats wants to become TMNT, as in a new show is in development as each old one is ending. I'm hoping for something like Justice League Action, eventually.

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Everyone is fucked if Pizzazz shows up.

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What she's gonna do? Sing at them? This ain't Macross where everything can be solved by pop music.

FACTS.

>What she's gonna do? Sing at them?
Yeah, it'll be just like in Macross!
>This ain't Macross where everything can be solved by pop music.
You ain't the boss of me.

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Gargamel and Krang

The Misfits had a pretty extensive list of criminal activity in the show, including multiple attempted murders.

He looks familiar, but I cant put a finger on what I know him from...sauce?

Why do I think this whole pic would make a bitchin crossover?

Ahem, I'm pretty sure you mean attempted MANSLAUGHTER. Roxy alone has only attempted pre-meditated murder, like, twice. Possibly both times directed at Kimber.

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Correct, sort of. The first two seasons treat him as if he's human and the movie just pulls the snake thing out of it's ass. The third season takes place after the cartoon and show him in his snake form just long enough to turn him back into a humanoid, but when they talk about what happened to him they're ambigous and say that he used to be human rather than a snakeman. And as the series progress from there, they never bring any transformations up ever again.

It's pretty underwhelming, the Cobra members just realise Serpentor sucks and start to shift their loyalty back to CC.

Well, they accidentally made a crazy person who can bench press all of them at the same time. It feels great to TAKE Washington DC, but the moment you have to hold it you start to realize why Cobra Commander retreated so often.

It's been a long time, but didn't Shredder regularly solo all 4 turtles combined? In the Eye of Sarnath episode, he effortlessly beats the tar out of them all, and Splinter is the only one who can beat him one on one.

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If we're doing power levels:
Skeletor>Megatron>>>Mumm-Ra>Shredder>>>>>>>Cobra Commander
Based on quality:
Skeletor=Cobra Commander>Megatron>Shredder>>>>Mumm-Ra

Yes, it would.

You think Leatherhead is the best TMNT villain?

>Mumm-Ra
Dead last, he's just some asshole and you know your not doing good when your old man form looks cooler than your actual one.

>Megatron
Really only ever liked him because of the guys he had to play off of. He's really boring without the contrast of Soundwave's loyalty and Starscream's starscream-ing. Was also mega boring as Galvatron and his lackeys, and can't get any points for how great BW Megs was because that's a different guy.

>Shredder
Legit the high point of the 80's cartoon, his dynamic with Krang is hilarious. Every other version of him is also able to be taken pretty seriously as his own thing, and all of the foot clans toys were the coolest.

>Cobra
I barely know much about GI Joe, but Cobra Commander never seemed like a "weak" or comedic leader to me, and his thing with Destro felt less an integral part of his appeal and more just a thing that happens. The Serpentor/Snakeman shit is retarded, and Helmet>Hood.

>Skeletor
Filmation Skeletor is the most iconic thing about the entire brand, even if he's a joke and technically under Hordak. Mini-Comic Skeletor is legitimately creepy and most other incarnations of him make him about as cool. He has to be first if for no other reason I feel he's more synonymous with MOTU than He-Man.

Seconding Mon*Star, his transformations were hype

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> so many Mon-Star fans.

We exist?

Who are the two directly below Catrina?

Depends on how you define "winning".

Cobra Commander in the comics at least got slight depth as a guy that legit thinks "America has gone astray. "

Shredder keeps walking up to depth and going "pass"

Nobody was reading comics back when these guys showed up. Everyone was focused on their shows.

The only one that actually had won was Megatron as he conquered Cybertron until his inevitable defeat/surrender.

Mum-ra in theory was the de facto superpower on third earth but that’s questionable with all the other magic guys around.

Everyone else never amounted to anything.

Mumm-ra was just the ancient spirits of evil's pawn.
That kinda detracts from him, in the same way Shredder relying so heavily on Krang detracts from him (though not as much because Shredder COULD fend for himself in a pinch.)

The other 3 were their own masters.

Skeletor and Hordak were both under Horde Prime iirc

Well yeah eventually they all lose, but some of them were probably more successful than others

Skeletor only should subservience to Horde Prime in the Christmas Special.
Outside that, he was a standalone.
Hell, one time he stole Horde Prime's flagship, I believe not only to use it to destroy He-man and take Castle Greyskull, but also to usurp the Horde Empire

>The real question is who deserves to be up with the 'big 5' if anyone?

Gargamel, The Stay Puft Marshmallow Man, Pizzazz, No-Heart.

Those four shows are really the only other iconic 80s shows besides the "big 5", so their villains should probably be seen as having the same rank.

Guys like Venger, Mon-Star and Tex Hex were all really great, but their shows are not exactly widely remembered.

You could also argue for either Flintheart Glomgold or Magica DeSpell, but Ducktales has this weird thing where it's remembered as a Disney cartoon, but not as an 80s cartoon. Prob because all the other Disney afternoon shows were 90s and people forget that Ducktales aired in 1987

That's weird isn't it? I guess it's just because so many of the others were owned by Hasbro.

I don’t think people are actually aware of him.

Skeletor is the best.

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Dr Skarab actually ruled the world for a few days, and it took a banding of multiple secondary characters to rescue the MCs.
Only guy half as successful as him was Megatron.

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Yea Forums BEHOLD the most successful 80s and early 90s cartoon villain. In fact, they even gave him an award the very episode when he conquered the world and stated he was the first cartoon supervillain to actually do the deed.

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That's how a live-action adaptation SHOULD look.

Should he keep the sunglasses and dancing?

Not the entire time, unless maybe it was He-Man: the Musical.

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80's Shredder is the smartest Shredder
He builds Krang's body, makes some neuro shit that messes with turtle brains and invents retro mutagen ray. Even Chrell is a dumbass compared to FW Shredder

>but didn't Shredder regularly solo all 4 turtles combined?
Besides EOS arc I can only remember that he held on his own 4 turtles in season 7 finale.

I unironically want a He-man musical

He actually did, and since there was no follow up, it stuck.

>He builds Krang's body, makes some neuro shit that messes with turtle brains and invents retro mutagen ray.

Shredder did all that?
I thought Krang did it all himself

Mummra wasn't alien.

Mummra actually had won long before. Earth was a fucked up place and it was implied that he a hand in its destruction. Also the guy was immortal. He could simply wait for the Thundercats die of old age

Krang taught him some stuff but he Shredder did all the hard work.

No

People who loved Cats fucking LOVED Thundercats

Man, I can't believe after all these years only Megatron ever got any real depth.

Megatron>Skelator>Cobra Commander>Mumm-Ra>Shredder!!!FACT!!!

Really? You don't think Shredder or Skeletor have gottn any deeper in any of the comics or reboots?

What makes Megatron any deeper than the rest?

Mumm-Ra is pretty much the star scream in the group.

He just gets more face time in the show.

>at villain meetings, Mumm-Ra is forced to sit at the "traitorous little shit" table with Starscream, Evil-Lyn and Destro while the adults talk.

What? No, they were really clever.

You sure? What is skeletor's real name?

Keldor.