I Moved To Los Angeles to Work in Animation

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Thanks for the Storytime of Pain, op.

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>i moved to los angeles to work on animation
>its a comic
i guess it didnt work out

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>energy conscious
women

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>complains about the lack of jobs and difficulty to get hired
>thank god there are unions
women

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>wearing open toed shoes
>not featured open toes shoes
i guess she has been an "animator" for quite some time now

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>Is animation a straight/white/boys' club?
Whoever asks that question, should unironically kill herself.

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>not purchasing the graphic novel
>having to rely on bootleg scans

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>i couldn't afford to live in portland
>so i decided to move to LA instead

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83 pages and this shit still isn't done? Shit I think the artist maybe should have focused on making a cartoon rather than making a comic about their failed aspirations.

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>Liking Rupaul

and i'm out

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why the fuck would you buy a 12 thousand dollar car when you're already struggling with money?

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How new are you?

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>Alternate POVs
>Everyone featured in this section is basically saying the same thing

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she was living in Portland 12 is probably what a cheap car cost or something

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That's all folks, let the tinfoil ezpz anons seethe begin.

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*seething woops

Jesus, spoiler warning

Go to Santa Barbara. It’s 90 miles north and has everything you listed plus the southern California weather

>posting reaction images during a storytime

so, Yea Forums, do you want to work in the animation industry now?

Yes.

Didn't know Seattle had 2d animation gigs there, Austin has a few although it’s still kinda new to the scene.

Seattle does games. Not all places with animation industries does only 2D.

Yes just not in LA

I'm an animation student. Not a burger, so no massive debt involved quite yet.

Too bad they're going to all die from Bubonic plague.

>It's Friday night... nobody invited me anywhere...
>this being a new, uncommon experience for the author
Guess I should kill myself.
>I just decided to try to make a living of my drawings. And so far it works. I've never really been stressed by finding a job...
Guess I should really kill myself.
>Board artist on She-Ra
>I had no action board experience before my current show

Maybe I'm just being bitter. Still, thanks OP, this was an interesting read.

Same here. I even get free money from my government because my parents aren't rich.
>mfw I get free money and won't need to repay it, as long as I graduate in 10 years

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>Corporations would hire more people if they were allowed to treat the people they hire like garbage
Well, you’re not wrong.

>Natalie
stopped reading there. don't really care about some roastie's sob story.

Oh I did, but then I graduated my animation program and was unable to find work in my field. So I said fuck it, got a different job with benefits and decided to make stuff independently. Probably for the best because looking at how the industry has become in recent years I probably dodged a bullet.

What is the next best city to work in animation and why is it Vancouver?

Except she got a job and makes more money than you do, funboy.

>splitting lanes
PICK A FUCKING LANE YOU FUCKING CUNT!

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Seoul, South Korea. Tokyo, Japan.

>Forgot to specify in North America.
Fuck me

That's weird the comic didn't have a 10 page porn segment where she banged her interviewer for a position.

Isn't that legal in Cali? I'm surprised more people don't just ride motorcycles in LA.

I wish there were comics about storyboarding for tv. The only information I know about that are the Amphibia Crew tumblr and an Adventure Time artbook from 2013

get the artbooks for the wakfu TV series. They're in-depth analysis of the shot-by-shot creation of things like OVAs and batches of episodes from the 1st season

What kind of job did you get? I'm thinking of following your route

>Calling out hipsters
I like her already.

case and point
those "garbage" employees could work their asses to move up the corporate ladder or acquire better connections and portfolio and end up doing way better than they do under an union too and it would take less time too since they wouldnt have to spend years at summer debt camp (college) first

Ended up working in IT of all things. I had a degree in computer animation so they assumed I knew computers. Turns out that IT is easier than that considering most of the people I help can barely figure out how to install a printer.

Thanks for the storytime OP, I’d been wanting to read this.

>I didn't realize how much of the micro-aggressions I grew up with formed my personality and how I reacted to things until I moved here.
Little confused by this passage. Is Portland and UCLA filled with aggressors and LA is a magical place?

>so alone
I knew I'd seen that somewhere before.

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i bet she died of dysentery during that trip.

Eh sure why not.

Honestly thinking of doing this too. Just started a film/TV major to branch out a bit, looking for an on-campus job at this point, and see where things go.

Thanks for the thread, OP

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They're already doing all that while under the union. You think a storyboarding job lasts forever?

For a board full of animation enthusiasts, very few people on here know how the industry actually works.

Good job not killing yourself, user.

What I've heard from other Asian friends of mine is that before LA, they've never felt comfortable in their own skin. My Chinese friend from Ohio would take offense to the smallest jabs because he always grew around white people that would similarly tease him. LA is embracing of a lot of Asian culture, ESPECIALLY UCLA
t. LA born gook

Holy fucking wall of text but i'll read it

Electricity bills are no joke. You'll understand when your mommy stops paying bills for you.

I'm not sure shitposting about ""forced diversity""" all day counts as being an animation enthusiast.

>For a board full of animation enthusiasts, very few people on here know how the industry actually works. Myself included.
Fixd because you left that last part out for some reason

thats not going to happen, sucks for you that your family doesnt lovve you enough to take the burden of your life away from you

Maybe you could take the burden of your life away from us at least?

no

>I wish there were comics about storyboarding for tv
this, does anyone here have any resources specifically about the tv animation industry?

So why isn't this an essay?

Who's gonna read an essay?

I would. I'd rather read that than constantly zoom in and out to read these huge chunks of text in small font and big illustrations. Then again, this woman clearly does not understand how helpful it is to break up long paragraphs.
Maybe she could have made a storyboard for this and just recorded herself talking over it. Works for OSP. It could even be GASP animated!
This half-in, half-out approach does not gel with me at all.

Santa Barbara is stupid expensive

Lane splitting is only legal for motorcycles

It's easier to sell if it's a little graphic novel than a blog post.

how can white women possibly think that they are in anyway marginalized

because they have a fucking horrendous victim complex

she said she liked to do personal projects in her free time, maybe this was a pet project of hers she wanted to draw out.

Yeah those Korean animators that literally have to work to exhaustion to keep their jobs sure have it better!

>paying for something this boring and low-quality

Aaand she lost me on this page.

What I'm getting from this is that big tarmac and big rubber have literally turned most Ami cities into unlivable hellholes just to prevent Americans from moving anywhere without a car.

>It is all colored by my background, identity, and privilege

Off to a great start. Wonderful time we live in where your parents working hard to provide you a good life needs to be "excused".

>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE IF YOU ARE ANYTHING BUT A STRAIGHT WHITE MALE, APPLY TO A STUDIO WHERE THEY'LL TAKE ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND OWN THE RIGHTS TO IT WHILE TRYING TO PAY YOU AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE

What is with this fucking mentality of ENCOURAGING people to share their stories via some big Hollywood platform rather than just, "Tell the fucking story, make a web comic, who gives a shit!".

I'm willing to bet there are a ton of diverse voices screaming their story but people in the industry think it's not valid because it doesn't have the Disney logo on it.

>Over the years, it's become common for a storyboard artist to write, draw, time a scene out, and even do keyframes but still get paid for one job

This is ten thousand times more important to me than "we need more black people in animation".

She works for Disney feature.

But it's not really a diverse voice if everyone in the same room still shares the same California liberal sensibilities, is it? If we got MORE shows like King of the Hill that actually have a different voice to it, then sure. But all that is happening is stuff like Twelve Forever, Steven Universe, Star Vs., Bee & Puppycat which all tonally blend in with each other.

>Not a trap

I literally have no idea what she meant by this.

>Wearing a shirt that says "privilege"

Who diminishes their own accomplishments like that?

That's what happens when your group of friends is a circlejerk.

Power of suggestion. When you see a lot of people around you telling you as a minority you should feel offended over this and that, it starts to seep in and you slowly develop a small persecution complex. I've seen it happen to my black friend who was just a normal dude all through out middle and high school, then sometime around college, started to change and would make really awkward comments to me.

Stuff like how he wasn't in the mood to watch some western movie because there's too many white people and that's really boring. I'm pretty sure he believes in the gender wage gap myth now from all his time spent online.

I've seen a similar thing happen to my elderly father who totally got sucked into the conspiracy section on YouTube after binging videos for weeks. Now he talks to me about how there are giants from Biblical times being hidden by the government.

either retards OR those who want to participate in the oppression olympics. or both. It would be funny if she couldnt find work because she is "not diverse enough", then makes a sequel book where she wears a torn up privilege shirt

This is the most annoying thing about the American cartoon industry being based exclusively in Los Angeles. The close-knit community becomes a parochial echo chamber.

I've heard that there are monopoly issues with the union that force a lot of studios to be based in California. Is this true? A vague story I remember of Disney screwing over a Florida studio that had because some clause demanded they couldn't have a studio based there.

A closeknit community where you shouldn't burn bridges.
Let's keep the terminology straight.

In this industry, just tweeting something unpopular like "there are only two genders" is enough to burn a bridge with these people.

Hold up, isn't Hasbro in Rhode Island?

unironically have sex

And with that you are excommunicated and can't land another job.
Now i am unironically hoping for the death of the american animation industry.

>pretend to be in animation and go where these people congregate outside work
>start a rumor mill
>fake a bunch of shit
>have these "cool, down to earth" people turn on eachother
fuck bridges, burn the city

>you'll have to speak up i'm wearing a towel

I would be ready to pay to see something like that.

>tfw been finding the comic super encouraging and helpful
>then this
so basically since i'm a straight cis white male i shouldn't even bother anymore, eh? isn't that kinda... racist/sexist/etc?

Reminder that Forever Twelve had to split the white male character into two POC characters to finally get off the ground

im gay, fuck women they are useless

go look for help, dude

They are attention whores who want to feel special

i don't actually believe that, i'm just pointing out how it's kinda stupid to tell someone to not bother applying because of things they can't control

i found the rest of the comic very insightful and helpful

That's not what it's saying at all though...It's saying that people that don't look like you have a shot now too.

and i never said that was a problem

The cushy Guild salaries discourage people from striking out on their own and going the Bakshi route, and the close-knit community discourages people from making transgressive art. Even though I love glossy American TV shows and can appreciate the work that's put into features, they're ultimately unsatisfying to me.

I feel this so much. I'm not an artist, but I know exactly where I want to live and what field I want to work. Problem is there are never openings that pan out and despair is slowly seeping in. I'm sure everyone has had this problem at some point.

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You said the page was saying to not bother applying if you were a white cis male.

and i never said it was a problem for other people to? those are two completely different thoughts

The guy from the pilot was bland as fuck. He's like a boring self-insert with a manic pixie dreamgirl. The only reason people bitch about him getting cut out is because his replacements weren't also white males so their diseased minds get to whine about "forced diversity."

I hear you, but white straight people aren't losing their spot in the animation industry. There are still plenty all over.

New York is the only city in North America with a similar animation industry to Los Angeles. Another decent city is San Antonio believe it or not. It’s entirely possible to be a studio that only works in conjunction with the bigger ones

i guess it was wrong for me to be a bit defensive, my bad. i get very (probably unrealistically) worried sometime about the future, given i'm still in school and i'm going to starting out at the bottom. i just wanna achieve my childhood dreams

>I moved to a rat infested shit hole to work a job that pays worse than a waiter in a shitty restaurant

LEMAO

Chris Oatley at oatley academy has a ton of great resources for tv

Minimum Guild wage is $45/hr.

i don't want to work in animation
i dont want to work on anything
I dont want to work at all
I dont want to live

damn

then why are you still here?

Seriously, let them bitch. You guys don’t realize how valuable this junk is and how easy it is to capitalize on.
I work in animation in Los Angeles, no one actually believes this shit, but pretending to is the fastest and easiest way to get a job. No joke, I’m a member of women in animation($50 a year) and every networking event is like 70% men and 30% women. Same with all the panels. And most people who do attend, only do so to flirt with each other. Jointing they organization is the fastest way to get connections to studio heads and eventually land a job, they even get exclusive job postings

This is Yea Forums(nel). It seems that you have forgotten that you are here forever.

i meant to ask why he hadn't killed himself yet.

Keep at it man. I'm working on fulfilling the same dream. In the end I believe in the work itself being what gets you where you wanna be, so don't get in your own head too much. I've dealt with it too and it can distract you from just being creative.

Insightful, thanks OP.
I was expected this to end the same way it ended with Morbi when they left to Seattle. Happy she managed to do fine.

Man, what I would pay to see Morbi's version of this.

This is hell. He can't escape.

Thanks for the storytime, OP. Really insightful. If possible, can you give us a link to download the novel?

yes. it actually encouraged me a bit more.

they sure are getting a lot of work though

I knew it. I saw it coming the second I saw this thread. You know this just doesn't surprise me anymore.

Too bad they don't see most of that money. Why do you think companies use them? They're dirt cheap compared to what you see in America.

thanks man, best to you too. apologies again!

I’m a burger and I don’t get any debt. All free (+some extra money to cover supplies and housing) doing animation too.

that is not that great in the LA area, right?

yeah? okay?

>tfw American animators are starving due to a lack of new jobs and people who already have jobs don't want to give up their hard-to-get positions
>companies would rather save money by overworking poor foreigners than help people in their own country
There's gotta be some way we can spin the overseas labor as "the white man taking advantage of the poor asians" or something in order to cause an outrage and get more jobs in America, right?

With all the horror stories from animators, studios clearly not giving a fuck about their employees or the product they're making, the higher ups on the food taking advantage of those just starting, execs forcing you to work on soulless trash aimed at kids at best or autistic/stoner adults at worst, and the whiny little shits, like so many here who will bitch at you no matter what you do

I'm honestly kinda terrified to even try to enter the industry in any form.

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That's literally what it is. These american artist and animators have absolutely unreasonable standards of living and continually demand more and more unreasonable shit and will use their incredibly powerful union as a bat until they get it, and, as much as possible, companies would prefer to hire desperate, and skilled workers overseas, than the greedy and pompous workers in the US
no one bitches at the crew of dan vs
because they made a good cartoon
The quality of your work is inversely proportional to how much people hate you.

A lot of my friends are also in Women of Animation, and I'm female myself, but I can't pretend to agree with that stuff. I think it is true that it doing so can make it easier and quicker to get a job, but if I did that, I wouldn't feel right about it.

Because the heads of Dan Vs. weren't fucking mongs, and knew how to get their team to make a quality product. Ultimately most of the crew has little say in how the quality of a product turns out, and are simply doing their jobs to get it done on time.

The captain steers the ship, but when it gets sunk the entire crew gets screwed.

Fuck unions.

Wait, you can live in a tent when you aren't working? That could save a lot on rent!

What big studios does NYC have nowadays besides Titmouse, Augenblick and a hundred ad agencies that even compares to LA?

I spent my early life learning a specialized trade so why would I want to spend the rest of it arguing with some "Business major" about how my landlord won't accept "exposure" in lieu of rent?

How much whiteness is allowed? I'm a straight male, so depends on how this goes.

>Detroit native annoyed by the west coast but can't leave
There is a song about this.
youtu.be/zYKcJEeV3Mo

Unions killed the auto industry

just failed my rigging class with a 6.9 only 0.1 less that required because for the life of me i can't figure out weight paint
so i do want to work in the industry as a storyboard artist but i fear i won't be able to get at industry level soon i'm already 22 and feel i'm too old compared to most

damn, I'm in the same boat.

you're really not too old.

It can really suck, that's for sure.... But it is always nice to know that there are more of us out there in this industry.

I've read this. I don't remember anything.

Shit like this is why I would never want to work in US animation, where the race/gender/sexual preference of your co-workers is something to be concerned about. Fuck's sake - and she said the TV boarders were childish.

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complete opposite of what happens bud

This is way too wholesome of an interaction for Yea Forums

This. Bought a car for under $4k and owned it for a decade, while also packing all my stuff in it and making a big move 2.5 times longer than the one she describes. There was no reason to buy a car that expensive unless you're an idiot at determining value or you bought something full of shit you didn't need.

inb4 "times were different in the 1950s," because this was in the mid 2000s.

Yea Forumsmrades i'm tryna share this storytime with a friend that it would be useful to but i forgot how tedious it is for a non-masochist to individually click on every pic to enlarge it.

anybody have a mega link or something

It's not even funny how true this is.

I'm not in animation, but post-production audio is a lot more similar to it than most people realize. that being said, my industry has shifted enough recently that i now have to be a shitty mediocre IT person along with everything else, and while the union pay is good, the pressure / hours are real too.

so i've been thinking about whether i shouldn't also just jump into a cushier job like real boy IT. spend most of the day not having to do much, get to go home after 8 hours, not so burned out that i don't have energy to work on my own projects. could probably get away with working on my own shit on the clock too.

i dunno, just saying to everyone else here as an Industry insider that making money doing something completely different to fund your own shit is totally valid too, and might be the smarter route.

Calm down with the redpilles

I've worked several IT jobs, and what you're describing can be true. What can also be true is that you will be a tard wrangler all day, with an ever-growing list of "IMMEDIATE ATTENTION" tickets pouring in because someone couldn't figure out how to change a font in Outlook, or the coffee machine broke, and that's got a computer in it. You may be expected to be on-call nights and weekends, solving issues for remote employees via their hands, because they're working from home.

You have no idea how much fun it is to do IT work over the phone through someone who is scared of their own computer. It's like talking down a jumper.

tl;dr - no career path is truly safe and cushy. Do what you want to do and put up with the bullshit, because bullshit is everywhere.

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22 is nowhere near "too old"

Woof, this is what I needed tonight.

It happens.

It’s normal to be afraid of the future. Don’t get too far ahead of yourself. You’ve got a ways to go. Take it one step at a time.

Any other pegboardfags ITT?

Op here, will upload it in the morning if this thread is still alive.

I just moved to LA to work in TV animation. I'm not a burger so this comic is interesting but not very relatable for me.

>not a burger
Fuck off, hotdog

It's a perfectly fine job to have. People are chill, pay is decent and the work can be fun too. There's no more exploitation than in any other industry and you don't have to deal with the people whining on the internet if you don't want to.

This is the real deal in so many industries. The business developer writing the requirements is sometimes a bit nuts, and it really is about just trying to be bold!

ah ok this sounds familiar then. i've been in these sorts of situations, but luckily the worst of them were never my personal job.

only difference now is that i'm sitting in the same room with the people i'm babysitting, and these people are not woefully ignorant so much as sitting at the peak of Duning-Krueger mountain (i.e. they think they know everything already and won't fucking listen to me). and on top of that there's a bunch of narcissistic producers sitting in a row behind us, tapping their feet wondering why i haven't fixed the application that just crashed 5 seconds ago for no discernible reason, because obviously i'm the one wasting precious stage time.

what are the big differences for you? i'm a native angeleno non-animator, so i'm always interested to hear outsiders talk about how great and terrible my town is, and what their corner of The Industry is like.

Explain what is happening then.

Diversity don't mean shit when everyone is still doing the same thing. OK KO doesn't exactly have a "black man's voice". Its just a silly cartoon like 95% of cartoons. What does it matter who makes it if it's all the same?

Tell them to show you where in your job description that it is your responsibility to support their software as a sound engineer. Alternatively, explain to them that the other fuck-ups are causing the problem. Arrange to be out of office for a day, and see how many problems arise when you're not there to show that you're not the source of the issue. If they don't like that, fuck them. Let them fire you, or just go somewhere else.

There are a boatload of jobs that will attempt to take advantage of you and lay on additional tasks that aren't your responsibility with no additional pay. Don't let employers do that to you, and if they try to pressure you, put in your two-week notice. If they're smart and realize that you're an actual asset, negotiations will happen. If they're not, you're better off elsewhere.

I hate this style so much.

Stop projecting, autist.

>muh seethe
What, you actually liked this?

call me crazy, but I don't think the intended viewing platform for this comic was a cellphone

Even if that were true, that sounds like a Them problem and not a Me problem.

The point in the post you're replying to stands.

>You have no idea how much fun it is to do IT work over the phone through someone who is scared of their own computer. It's like talking down a jumper.
In my 5+ years of DSL/HSD call center tech support, I've never heard it described like that but you're so fucking right it hurts.

More than ever. I've been getting rejected the past few years after interviews with a few big name studios (not for artist positions). This book was a good remotivation after I realized tonight that I won't get a call back for my latest job application, after I'd been almost sure I'd get a call back.
I'm also going to resume working on my comic, which I'd set aside to study for job interviews.

Yea Forums, there comes a time in every user's life where he must shave off the whiskers of persecution and let grow the chest hairs of initiative. You will never make your own comic or cartoon unless you take life by it's dangling appendages and peel them open like the mighty coconut crab! You must make life beg for you to let it go. "No, no! I just had surgery and I cannot even make it to the mailbox without a walker." it will say. Not so tough now, are you life? You are just a little nancy boy. Do you want to put on your pretty sundress with the floral pattern, nancy boy? Well too bad! You must keep peeling until you find the gooey filling with which you will consume for sustenance. Afterwards you will head back to your burrow and relax on your comfy chair to and maybe think to order a pizza, because all you've been eating is peanut butter with celery for like a week and a half now, only to find out that you don't have a phone to have one delivered because you are a coconut crab.

Do you understand what I'm saying, Yea Forums?

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Maybe im just bitter and jealous but how does someone who draws for a living have such a boring style? i cant help but compare it to like simon hanselmann who basically self-taught himself everything from the ground up, starting at literal middle school notebook doodles, and within 2 years had a more attractive & polished style than this.

Damn, what a lot of wasted border space.

She’s able to effectively and clearly get an idea across which is what matters most for her specific job. If she were in illustration or fine art maybe she’d have a more distinctive way of drawing but MUH STYLE is a myth anyway

Bump

You sound pretty bitter and jealous.

>I would. I'd rather read that than constantly zoom in and out to read these huge chunks of text in small font and big illustrations.

Then maybe you should buy the hard copy or the digital download and read it how it was meant to be read instead of pretending that it's the fault of the comic that you're too dumb to know how to read a comic.

When did Yea Forums get this bad?

Come on, we all know that the side of Yea Forums that comes here for cartoons don't actually read comics.

these pages are easily 60% text what the fuck

Well fuck you and I hope they stole every single one of your ideas you dumb bitch

>White males
Dropped

so if you want to direct/be a showrunner you have to be a storyboard artist first?

Not necessarily, some showrunners get the job based on writing experience but being a story artist helps a ton, especially if you’re trying to get into directing:

I kind of enjoyed it, but I'm a sucker for "autobiography" comics too. Granted everything didn't appeal to me like "come here transpeople". But I get that i'm not exactly the target audience. That particular industry seems cool to work in, too bad i am completely trash at drawing.

Almost all people start in animation in storyboarding nowadays, originally it used to be inbetwinners but since asia does that part now...

you could get good as an artist, all it takes is practice

I think you’re just bitter and jealous.

Interesting life story but the only thing I disagree with is her insistence on getting more LGBTQ+ and PoC into the industry just because. Inclusion for inclusion's sake wrecks companies because many people aren't experienced enough to do whatever but were just hired because they were gay or black or a woman.

>just because. Inclusion for inclusion's sake
She literally gives reasons on that page. You can disagree with those reasons, but they are reasons.

Stop shouting.

user just got shamed and apologized for reacting to a racist page. I don't find that wholesome. This is the future of the animation industry if people like you manage to get in.

The reasons are surface-level. She believes that simply being black or gay means you will inherently have a different voice from your co-workers. But as is evident in the industry right now, these people are all making the same content regardless of their background.

The idea of diversity is supposed to be differences in life experience, which is easy to assume that, "If you are trans, you will be different from a white lady". But are you going to tell me when it finally drops that High Guardian Spice will be any different than Steven Universe? Or that We Bare Bears, made by an Asian-American, is different enough from Apple & Onion, made by a white British dude?

Diversity, like beauty, should be skin deep. A white guy who grew up in a loving family on a coastal state and a white guy who grew up in a abusive one in a flyover state would tell two completely different stories. But that's not valued as diversity because the requirements of what is considered diverse is a very superficial checklist.

I also want to add, since I was hitting the limit, diversity also doesn't mean shit when people are forced to boil down their ideas for children's entertainment. OK KO and Danger & Eggs are hardly the products of someone's "life experience as a black man" or "bisexual woman" or whatever. In the end, mostly everyone is just making wacky cartoons where the character makes a silly face and has a lesbian thrown in.

Los Angeles is the worst example because it’s not even a real city, just a village that held more people than it could support and started gobbling up as many municipalities as it could until it covered most of the county.

>Racist page

>"Look there's a lot of white people, but that shouldn't discourage you; there's a lot of nice people from every shape, color and gender, even the most commoon"

lol this fucking flyover post
>45 dollars probably buys you a single coke amirite Kletus! Showed those big city cucks that us flyovers can meme

Every middle class Angeleno is privileged compared to the people they steal water from.

I'm a board artist in NYC, and despite getting almost consistent work for the last few years and getting paid pretty well, I still have that thought in the back of my head of, "I HAVE to move to LA at some point" just because it's said ad nauseam by every artist and animation enthusiast.

I don't want to move to LA. I have family in NYC, I plan on buying an apartment in a couple of years to build up my equity and help me with my retirement plan, I love never having to own a car. But I can't get rid of that thought because I keep hearing that, "EVERYONE is in LA!".

When you prop up as someone's voice being more important based on their ethnicity or sexual orientation, it's a little dehumanizing.

I can't even imagine where his mentality of, "If I'm not white and male, I can't get into the industry" is coming from. I can't imagine any publicly known instances from the last 30 years that would suggest this. It has been nothing but constant support and inclusiveness.

Any aspiring artist who asks, "Do I have to be a white guy to get into the industry" is ignorant, not justified in their questioning.

Yeah, but consistent problems with work visas is going to ensure that a company will never scour other countries to pitch cartoons at the risk of losing their showrunner because of some government paperwork.

Agreed. user literally bent his back over because of his insecurities.

This is why the industry continues to suffer. People aren't willing to call each other out on their legitimate bullshit and its weakening the medium as a whole.

>People aren't willing to call each other out on their legitimate bullshit
Because if you do, you're labelled as "difficult to work with" for being slightly confrontational with anyone you aren't great friends with.

In fact, she just directed an original short for them: twitter.com/disneyanimation/status/1139518467835514880

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Well... At least this symbolism is 10% better than "Purl". I guess.

Seems like all these women artists are just saying the exact same thing, "-ism is baaaaaaad".

>None of them saying neoliberalism is bad

what a bunch of pussies

That would only work if Koreans cared about being payed nickels and dimes. The Japanese work for around the same amount for their own animation as well. In fact Koreans are payed more by American studios compared to how much Japanese studios pay them.

Already working as an animator for almost 4 years now.

Yeah you're a faggot alright.

I mean the animation industry being an echo chamber is probably just an inevitable consequence of how close-knit it is, which would happen no matter where it was. If the industry was based in Montana it would probably be a conservative circle jerk.

They always did though.

That's certainly true for publishing, to the extent where white male authors are having to pretend to be brown women, and having their publishing contracts ripped up when found out.

Cute, easy to read and very informative. Thanks!

I'm already working in the animation industry and have been for the past 7 years
I did live in LA for the first few years when i started out
shits expensive as fuck, but thank god for furries and miscellaneous nsfw commissions.
but now I don't live in LA anymore and only go there for business and industry events

>"Is animation a straight white boys club?"

I really doubt anyone has ever asked her this question enough to warrant a page answering it considering one of the most popular fucking cartoons right now is Steven Universe.

Animation has never been a man's club; even in actually sexist countries like Japan, animation was chock full of women even back in the 70s and 80s.

This. You may have heard of the up and coming young Asian writer Rahila Khan who's works were loved by critics, broadcast on the BBC and collected and sold very well by Virago.

UNTIL it turned out that these works were written by the Revd Toby Forward. His contract was squashed, his books were pulped (despite selling well) and he was essentially blacklisted.

Where are you living now?

Maybe, just maybe he get blacklisted because the hoax he pulls. Not for his gender.

There was the era where women could not get jobs as animators at Disney in the 50's and prior and there are stories told by Lauren Faust in the 80's how bosses would compare some of the artists skill abilities based on sex(IE: "You don't draw as well as the boys" comments), but these have since diminished or fully gone away so heavily that I can't imagine any major studio actually rejecting someone for being a woman. You're more likely to get screwed for being a recent college graduate because studios will take advantage of your wide-eyed attitude than you would be a woman.

You know writing under a pen name isn't illegal user, a lot of people have done it including JK Rowling.

Except it was explicitly because of his gender and skin colour. Not for any other reason. People have used pen names and pretended to be other sexes for centuries now. Indeed, some are more open about it; many female writers of thrillers and such are actually secretively men because the publishing industry in Britain and the US has become so heavily female dominated that it's become almost a necessity.

It's not really talked about outside of the writing industry, but it's a major factor on many writing careers.

No, it's quite common to do so. He just committed two unforgivable crimes; he was a man and he wrote about women who weren't the same race as him. Ask any literary agent who works within London or New York; if you want to get a decent shot at publishing and you're not an already established male author (and indeed, many female writers are actually previously established male authors who have had to use a literary agent and claim to be a woman), you're not getting published as easily as a woman. SK Treymayne is Sean Thomas; a writer who has had decades of success, but had to start writing under female names to get his works published. Thankfully for him, he wrote about white people; otherwise he'd have been blacklisted as well.

newer works that is.

He should've pretended to be gender fluid or trans without the surgery whatever the fuck it is. Then his representation would've gone through the fucking roof.

>People not expecting this page.

I'm more surprised she hasn't stepped on an aids needle and got raped by an illegal. Then again she's a white girl so I'm sure daddy is paying for a nice apartment for her.

>4 weeks
>it was still a pretty short timeframe to organize to move to another state
>it's the same country, they speak her language, and she can just pack up and drive there alone
Uh-huh

>Then again she's a white girl so I'm sure daddy is paying for a nice apartment for her.

I wonder where this mentality came from of insulting parents who worked enough to become successful themselves and spread that fortune onto their children during an era where the government wants to screw people out of an education and healthcare while most companies try to screw you out of benefits and a living wage.

Is giving your kid money so they can afford a $1900 a month apartment in California while they make enough money themselves to afford to pay it suddenly make that kid a spoiled Paris Hilton brat or something? Do people think it's abnormal for a parent to provide for their kid past the age of 18? Is it just bitterness?

You have to remember that for most of human history you lived with your parents until you got married, and even then you only maybe moved out. If you moved out, chances are you were just living with your spouse's family instead of your own. It's only extremely recently that Western culture has pushed that out in favor of "move out as soon as you can, don't worry about not being able to afford and going into debt"

Calm down Chairman Shang.

Based

bump for later.

Where the fuck are you?

Wait so what’s with all the passionate rants and stuff on Twitter? Like how people blamed patriarchy for Tuca and Bertie getting axed, is it like 50/50 with some people genuinely acting like this?

Loud minority, silent majority. It's very common for someone who is offended to make a fuss while everyone else doesn't want to rock the boat will keep quiet. Nimesh Patel is a comedian who performed at Columbia University, told a joke maybe three people found offensive, then was asked to leave. He then got a swarm of messages afterwards from students saying, "I'm sorry that happened" even though at the time, no one in the auditorium shouted, "Let him stay!".

Another example is people think that everyone in the 50's must've been a racist. That's not true. Incidents like the first black family moving into Levittown is portrayed as the entire town mobbed and harassed this black family. But if you look at interviews taken at the time of that incident, it was a very aggressive minority with the others going, "I had no idea my neighbors would think it was such a big deal, I thought they were just going to accept the family like me?".

If you submerge yourself in the "woke" crowd who all retweet the same things, it's easy to think that's the world the same way if you submerge yourself in the Jordan Peterson world, you would think, "Oh, good, everyone is against this nonsense, good".

Does anyone have experience in animation studios located in Austin?

Sorry about the delay, here's a dl for it.
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She's applying to be an animator, not an engineer or a computer programmer.

>These american artist and animators have absolutely unreasonable standards of living
What exactly is this unreasonable standard of living? Give me some hard numbers.

Curious, where are you from?

The Netherlands, Mr. user.

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This is among the strangest gender based complaints I’ve ever seen. I don’t really know what you’re implying, but you’ve certainly got my attention.

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Your dad sounds like a cool /x/-friend

what would be the best qualifications to have if you wanted to create your own show?

women get into dumb trendy shit without really thinking about it because their friends got into the same dumb trendy shit

Can you honestly say that men don't do the same? Herd mentality isn't gender specific.

>Energy conscious is trendy
What year are you posting from where people around you are still boasting about owning a hybrid or having recycled material made furniture? People are too busy whiteknighting Twitch streamers to whiteknight for the Earth.

>I've seen it happen to my black friend who was just a normal dude all through out middle and high school
Too bad he ended up being sheltered little bitch. Ironic that he got offended from his friend talking about real shit.

Get 4chanx and press the "expand all images" button.

Who are you talking to?

That's one of the most interesting reads i've seen on here in a long time, o-p. Very comfy sitting here sipping a tea and reading it.

Thank you.

there is way too much fucking text for a comic, this is just a blog with pictures. Why the fuck am I reading this

It depends on what you want to prioritize, user. It's like with christian rock: It's more about what the band wants to tell people than how. If you know the people who'll want to read about this aren't really looking for fine art but rather words of encouragement and ((((relatability)))) (not to mention if you want something that will sell easily) , you'll focus more on this style that is more "friendly" and demands less attention. If you're, y'know, not a queer and you're out to make something more transcendental, you'll focus on something else. Maybe you'll make more complex drawings, maybe you'll structure the story differently to illustrate your point better. It all comes down to what you want to achieve. People will tell you, like this faggot over here that style doesn't matter or it's a myth. I say style exists as much as different intentions exist, and as a means of conveying intention, it matters a whole lot. I don't know any of this chick's other works , but if this is all she can do, she's limited at conveying intention rather than message, and that's a shit style. Or at least, shit for comics.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to that kinda thing, user. It's like getting angry that McD's sells by the millions while that joint down the road makes much better stuff but sells much less. It's more naive than bitter, I'd say.

This but for TV screenwriting.

i believe the screenwriter's bible has some sections relevant to that.

desu it's more than i make as a software developer in LA, and i live a pretty comfortable life

I was doing fine on half that a few years back. I was in a studio apt in noho but I could bike to the metro and everything at the time. the comic explains decently enough how to land an apt, though it legit helps that i'm a pretty white boi (/pol/ btfo, etc.)

>...my place isnt nice enough to have people over here...

??

>it takes calories to make art

So that's why it's called CalArts.

There's literally nothing to be confused about here.

from the look of some of these artists, they've got cals to spare

from the look of some of these artists, they've got cals to spare

Nice

Isn't this the plot of Grapes of Wrath?

Grandma and Grandpa didn't die in this one.

My only complaint was the other artists section cause it dragged a bit longer then I liked but otherwise this turned out a lot more positive then I expected. Normally when I hear people say anything related to working in the industry, All I can think of is "Starving artists forced to work for chump change while on crunch" but this is a bit more positive.

I live in a underpopulated 3rd world country user where the concept of animation as a job probably exists in the heads of less than 100 people. So I couldn't even if I wanted to.

In other words, there is no reason NOT to hire more diverse people if it doesn't matter in the end.

Especially since it would, you know, send a message to minorities that they can try to. It's way more encouraging that way..

You know we're supposed to believe that diversity is an amazing thing but I don't really see or hear any convincing reasons why. I mean in Australia female engineers need to have the bar lowered for them and in NYC gifted programs have to be eliminated because black/hispanic kids can't make the cut. Diversity just seems to drag society down doesn't it?

This is, quite frankly, bullshit.
Women existing in the same space as men does not make something not a boys' club.

>Diversity just seems to drag society down doesn't it?
Considering places like Harvard admit to rejecting Asians from their school because, "We want more diversity than just all Asians", yes.

When it comes to art, whatever, but fucking academics? I want the best person for the job, not quota hires.

Who the hell is telling black people, "You can't get into animation, it's for white people"? If someone is saying that, they're probably being overall abusive and saying that person is a worthless piece of shit in general. Seriously, I've seen no evidence of Indian kids or Mexican kids getting bullied out of being a storyboard artist.

If your studio wants to hire more brown people, fine. But at least people should admit it's just because they want to look at someone different than just another brown-haired white guy rather than parading it as some important milestone that must be reached because we have to hear the voices of the oppressed!

If people didn't push this idea that it's racist to be attracted to black people, it would be a hell of a lot easier for people to admit, "You know what? Fuck it. I just want more Indian dudes in my work place. I don't care".

Bump to read.

Don’t feel bad, a female studio exec who turned down my animation pitch literally told me “you’ll make a great staff writer, and I see you being a show runner in the next 5 years, join women in animation and you’ll land a job”
I asked her if that was unethical. Her response? “Nah, they need the money anyway. The message itself isn’t bad, but I doubt many members actually follow the politics

just had a little cringe fit

It’s a mixture of what said, and also a mixture of pretending to be hip we all pretend to like something to get along with our friends better. As it so happens, animation people in general are a little more introverted and awkward of a bunch. Hence why they got really good at making art while others were out playing. Because of this, they feel obligated to take one for the team to keep their social group alive.
But in my professional experience, I have never met a single open SJW in any studio I’ve worked at, or at any networking event I’ve attended. The closest I got was talking to a blue haired couple(both the guy and girl had blue hair) who mocked the “calarts style” debate. And personally, I don’t consider that to be a very sjw thing to do. And I admit to not make things awkward. I laughed along with it. It’s just what you do to keep society running.
But people like this chick are indeed the minority. As a straight white male, I’ve seen nothing but encouragement from the industry regardless of who or what the person was. All I can say is that, If you do want to work in this industry, keep an open mind, be willing to accept rejection and move forward, and don’t be afraid of the progressivism. You’ll find it’s mostly a front and almost everyone is chill and making similar jokes to what you see in Yea Forums all day long. Especially the bosses... but it’s still a job, so don’t go full /pol/ and drop nbombs or go shouting 1488

>Who the hell is telling black people, "You can't get into animation, it's for white people"?

Why do you think you need someone to outright say that? The impression is enough.

1-creativity in the story. A lot of people have ideas, but not stories. They are not the same thing.
2-the ability to either design your own characters, or work with people to design them. In fact, doing the latter is good proof that you can manage a team
3-being able to manage a team
4-being able to properly explain your show in a single sentence and have it be compelling enough that they want to ask more
5-being able to create a concept where the characters drive the show and not the story driving the characters(most people fail at this)
6-knowing the average script length for your project(17 pages for 11 minutes and 36 for 22 minutes)
7-being able to directly identify the age group your show caters towards and the groups the network caters towards. As the ex-president of development at CN put it best “if you make a show about two stoners in a trailer, you likely won’t sell it at CN”
8-having the knowledge to know what makes your show timely. Riding the mystery trend is big right now, but that can change.
9-being able to actually dedicate yourself to working on it several hours a day. If you can’t complete the script in less than a week, you won’t do
10-being willing to spend your own money on the pitch
11-well spoken so you don’t slur or stutter in the pitch
12-be likeable. You can still make a fan in the room even if you fail the pitch. This will be vital for the future
13-knowing when to move on to another project. Too many people get caught up on “the big one.” When everyone should have at least two projects in the works at all times and back up ideas. You can always shelve something to revisit or borrow from later

I mean, I’m a screenwriter with enough artist connections that I could probably get it done.
It would probably cost a few thousand dollars though.
The thing with screen writing is that you need to understand regular writing first. If you’re the type who is given an essay, and moans that it’s 900 words, you will not be a good screenwriter.

It’s actually easier than film because you know you have a strict time limit. Film always goes for however long they think they need and then cut back. In tv, your boards needs to be way more meaningful since you will never has as many of them.

Who the fuck is implying it?

Give me some realistic examples of how the hell people are making the environment feel anti-black other than, "W-Well. That person FEELS that way, that means it MUST BE A REALITY and not a distortion brought on by their own insecurities!".

Do you have proof of that though? Anything that shows the measure? I can also blatantly generalize:

Since you will not really use all the stuff you learn in university or college, what does the grade matter if the basic knowledge is there, and the rest has to be learned on the job?

>diversity is an amazing thing but I don't really see or hear any convincing reasons why.

I have the feeling you don't want to be convinced no matter the reason.

It's a poor reflection of a society that claims itself to free, yet does nothing to encourage and spread the feeling of opportunity it prides itself on when certain fields are, feel, or look exclusive to just one group of people.

The hackneyed way Hollywood is trying to pander to everyone is ironically the greatest testament to a diverse society. They don't just want white money, they want ALL the money.

People like you always assume that diversity suddenly means that "capable" people are skipped over in favor of a less skilled person of color based on.. cherry picked reports from overly nervous human resource employees and opinion pieces?

The goal is to consider other groups than just "white" people. Of course, it's so easy to say "Well, maybe [INSERT MINORITY GROUP HERE] should reach the standards then!" conveniently ignoring (or not caring) that sometimes entire groups don't have access to that.

It's not about feeling anti-black (for that implies something hostile to it), it's about feeling like it's just not something a black could do because it is so white dominated. A simple feeling of alienation and otherness and issue of identity. A simple "Hey, it's okay" is not going to cut it if the field stays dominated by just one group.

Diversity is a tougher issue than that. The problem with modern diversity isn’t the celebration of other cultures, people should love that, it’s the celebration of other cultures by the way of making American culture seem less valid and by only making American culture look bad while others purely look good.
But you know, most things don’t do that. I have always vent the best way to celebrate diversity is to embrace the melting pot. Let’s not single out a culture, let’s show what that culture has to offer our culture when it comes into play.
I’d say Anne from amphibia is a good recent example. Obviously an American teenage girl in every conceivable way, but has this heritage that changes up what a descendant of European ancestors would know or act like. Hell, El Tigre did it even better with how Manny was portrayed

No one takes into account differences in jobs and how it appeals to different genders. The majority of producers are women, but nobody ever mentions that. They only mention how there are too many men as directors and showrunners, even though the producers are the ones who get projects going in the first place.

And it's STILL not "diversity" if you're just adding to the echo chamber. I'll all for diverse voices who make really different cartoons like Courage the Cowardly Dog, The Boondocks, King of the Hill, Ed Edd n Eddy, Steven Universe, Superjail, Primal, Rugrats, etc.

What I'm not in favor of is some Asian guy making something as terribly dull, boring, and generic as "We Bare Bears" and then claiming it's a representation of how minorities are treated in America.

That shit comes from other blacks though, not from whites. Urban Black and Latino culture looks down on trying to succeed a lot of the time because it’s “too white.”
Social boundaries are bad for all races. And we won’t truly teach equality until we all stop giving a fuck what our parents think of what the “cool kids” feel

Is that what it’s supposed to be? The bears rarely interact with anyone whatsoever, how can that be representative of minorities? They’re also in San Francisco, a place where Asians aren’t a minority.
I only liked the episode “Panda’s Date” because it was basically “how I got cucked” the show

You can read more about his explanation here:
cartoonbrew.com/tv/bare-bears-allegory-minority-america-says-creator-daniel-chong-144825.html

I don't really buy it, though. Shit, I would buy that Catdog is a representation of being a minority way easier than We Bare Bears. The show has our different and unique heroes being bullied by stereotypical Americans (A greaser, a southern gal, a redneck) and screwed by a corporate businessman who is always trying to look for cheap sources of labor. At least you could make a better argument for something that had basic symbolism like that.

We Bare Bears doesn't really have much except for cute characters doing cute things.

i'm just a white boi but i figure if you can join an org that gives you a leg up, then you should. i have certain advantages and i'm aware of their relative ethics level, but it doesn't mean i don't use them, because i know they won't be around forever. it'll never be a true meritocracy, so grab whatever you can now to get that foot in the door before the zeitgeist moves again and you're arbitrarily ascribed to some other new disadvantaged category.

everyone's life is shit. so as long as you're not actively making anyone else's more shit, use every advantage you can to make yours less shit.

I’ll pass, I can’t stand cartoonbrew. I agree that cat dog would be better in that role, as would rocko’s Modern life since he’s an immigrate living next door to a typical all American neighbor.
But seriously, I can’t think of a single time the bears are discriminated against by anyone except Nom Nom, who is intentionally an asshole internet celebrity.

The only brilliance the show does have is the surprisingly decent amount of animal facts woven into the characters, especially Nom Nom, where almost all of his traits can be attributed to actual Koala behavior

>Can you honestly say that men don't do the same?
some men do the same

enough connections that you could probably get what done?

>“if you make a show about two stoners in a trailer, you likely won’t sell it at CN”
i guess regular show is the outlier

Heres a tip from a californian. Dont be a californian

Feels good being a midwest chad and not living in a socialist state where it's $60 for two fucking pizzas
I wish I was making that up by the way it actually costed $60 for two pizzas in San Diego, it was flabbergasting to see how much more expensive everything is in California

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What about a New Yorker? People are pretty cool here, usually because they're too busy or in a rush to give a shit.

As a white guy in the industry, the diversity griping in this thread is stupid. I listen to Joe Rogan and and am cis as fuuuuck. If you are good at this job there is work for you as long as you aren't tweeting about some two genders nonsense. (Let's be honest, if you are a pro maybe don't talk about politics at all.) Don't be stupid.

>It's a poor reflection of a society that claims itself to free, yet does nothing to encourage and spread the feeling of opportunity it prides itself on when certain fields are, feel, or look exclusive to just one group of people.

The reason certain fields are dominated by particular groups is due to human biological differences. Different races have different average IQs (The hierarchy tends to go Jews>Asians>Whites>Hispanics>Blacks.). IQ is one of the most rigorously validated psychometrics in all of psychology and it is the best predictor for life outcome BAR NONE. These differences in IQ lead to disparities in life outcomes with higher IQ peoples getting into higher paying jobs, more demanding fields and vice versa. This gives the impression that groups with lower IQs are being discriminated, disadvantaged or passed over. The reality is that the gaps in achievement/wealth/academics between groups can be largely attributed to differences in IQ. That is not to say that outliers don't exist, we should absolutely accept the best and brightest of every race/group/whatever. However, we must bear in mind that these average difference will mean that the percentage of truly brilliant/talented individuals will be for lower avg IQ pops than that of higher avg IQ ones.

Take a look at this graph. Pay attention the right tail end of both curves. You can see that the area under the curve for whites in the gifted range is substantially larger than that for blacks. This is due to the differences in both group's normal distribution of intelligence. Whites tend to have a flatter distribution meaning that they have a varied range of IQ's while the black curve clusters more at the median with fewer exceptional people at the right end.

You might think this is all racist, but it's the opposite. If all these disparities in our society are due to natural reasons then maybe we can all lay off the oppression narratives that do nothing but engender hatred and resentment.

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>(Let's be honest, if you are a pro maybe don't talk about politics at all.)
Majority of artist in the industry with social media bitch about politics all the time, including their stance on abortion and frequent "fuck Trump" tweets. And a lot of them are showrunners.

Maybe if you weren't some fucking flyover you'd be smart enough to just say that one pizza costs $30.
Where I live, it's $15 a pie, but then again I also live in NJ. My town has 9 different places to get pizza.
That's because they're trying not to breath the NYC air, which always smells, but smells worse in summer.

(cont.) and instead work together to find solutions that are not punitive like affirmative action which discriminates against other groups for their perceived privilege or bigotry.

did you drew that?

He meant don't expose yourself as having right wing views, if anything joining feminist groups and shouting bluck blonald blumpf over and over would probably increase your chances of finding success

>He meant don't expose yourself as having right wing views
That's not very pro-diversity.

californiafag here, my local pizza place is significantly tastier, faster and a better value than any chain. you're just an idiot for buying memepizza

maybe as a character designer, storyboard artist, keyframes, and a writer than ye but as a animator animator? maybe not honestly. considering alot of work is being outsourced these days landing a job to do in house animation is hard to come by.

The people who work the same job as her can afford nicer apartments?

>When it comes to art, whatever, but fucking academics? I want the best person for the job, not quota hires.
Why would you want less quality in your art?

...this is a comic about storyboarding for tv.

Because luck has never ever played a factor in finding a decent living place in a urban environment.

This is a comic about storyboarding for film. Are you ignorant?

another industry white guy here, and can confirm it's this. stop blaming your rejections on diversity quotas. it's because you're an asshole and/or just not good enough. these are both things you can work on, or you can just pursue an unrelated career and fund your own projects.

though like i said in , it's not and never will be a true meritocracy, and that's nothing to get angry at, it's just reality. that's why making your own shit is totally valid, if you don't want to wait for luck and/or don't want to change.

Because art is subjective and a very well drawn human from a model posing class isn't a sign of good art, just good technical ability.

>that's why making your own shit is totally valid
It's apparently not valid when there are a shit ton of indie women comic artists and indie women board artists who put their pilot animatics on YouTube and are ignored, considering if you included them, the whole, "We NEED to hear more voices!" complaint would've been resolved.

>meet a girl off Yea Forums
>she lives on LA, I live in europe
>she comes over to meet me after months of talking, we hit it off and she comes back to visit me a couple more times
>go visit her and her family during halloween. loved LA, halloween was incredibly fun, so was the city. have lots of nice memories from that trip that I'll never forget.

I was considering just moving to the US to live with her at that point. then she started acting more and more distant with me to the point we barely talk anymore. I consider that whatever we have is completely gone and it's stupid but it feels like I blew my only chance to live in los angeles

fuck this comic for giving me feels

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>implying that lack of technical ability doesn't hinder even the most creative of artistic visions

>comic
It's non-fiction with illustrations.

Aw don't feel that way.

You never had a chance to begin with. You didn't lose anything.

If you're a good storyteller, you can make your It's Such a Beautiful Day-tier doodles more incredible to watch than even the best looking anime with the shittiest writing imaginable.

Execution > Raw technical ability

Always.

>t. non-angeleno
san diego is shit and san francisco has gotten recently shit because tech. but LA is generally great and the best the idiots can come up with in this thread to justify being stuck in their flyover shit holes is "lol but it's expensive"

yeah it's expensive, for you.

I'm fine not stepping in shit every other step and contracting medieval diseases, thank you.

You're just saying "doing a thing is better than being good at something and not doing it."

Yeah no shit, but what if you spend time and effort to be good at something AND then you do the thing?

You're using really broad concepts to justify being shit at drawing, but when you get down to it artistic ability is something that anyone can cultivate with time and effort. People just choose not to because it's easier.

And you're choosing to be as obtuse as possible just so you can hear yourself talk.

Being able to draw a realistic elephant isn't going to translate when you have to do quick storyboards for a cartoon, so who gives a fuck if you're less technically skilled as an artist as long as you're able to tell a good story in a decent enough way? That's why I don't give a shit if you don't pick "the best of the best" artists. Mike Judge is a shitty artist, but Beavis and Butthead DO America is ten times better than Rock-A-Doodle.

But when it comes to someone doing surgery on me, yeah, I want the fucking best.

desu the internet is surprisingly more meritocratous than studios/businesses looking to hire employees. it doesn't mean it's all merit, just that merit ends up making more of a difference.

but also "valid" does not equal "predictive of (financial/peer-recognition/etc.) success." it just means like, what's your goal? do you want to make cartoons, or do you just want a job you can brag about? because if you want to make cartoons, you can make them. that's what's valid. it is an avenue to pursue that is worthy of artistic acceptance, that is nothing to be embarrassed of, regardless of audience size.

Ok, this is REALLY boring.

You can say that again.

It's still a comic. Is a graphic novel any less of a comic despite the pretentious marketing?

Speak for yourself, farmer boy.

I expect a graphic novel or a comic to be at least 51% illustrations.

Western light novels when?

Doesn't matter what some nerd on Yea Forums expects, it doesn't change the definition of a comic.

I lived in Portland for years (got the fuck out of that shit hole, I miss portland of the 90s)
You can very much get a decent car for $4k. Portland just has high(ish) housing costs, everything else is pretty run of the mill. $12k for a car loan when you don't have income yet is pure fucking retarded.

my impression is most people get really spooked by how much they think they're gonna have to drive everywhere, so I'm gonna guess she got dumb in her anxiety and felt like she couldn't risk getting a car that cheap. but yeah it's pretty stupid and i hope for her sake she regrets it.

>how much they think they're gonna have to drive everywhere

In LA, you DO have to drive everywhere.

Like another user mentioned, I wish there was a version of this comic specifically about TV animation. Natalie touches on it briefly but the experience is way different. I have a couple of friends who do it and the workload sounds very involved and intimidating desu

A graphic novel of similar(though probably higher) quality detailing how one prepares a script for animation, including pitfalls mistakes, and regular challenges

I point that out all the time: regular show was green lit after she left, and in many ways it was the anti-CN show. Which is probably why it worked so well. They weren't afraid to be different at that point in time

In regards to storyboarding I mean. TV animation storyboarding

nah. like i said, everyone thinks that, so most people behave that way. but no one ever told me that because i'm a native, so i lived on my own for 10 years without a car, just riding my bike and taking the metro everywhere, and i was fine. i only got a car so i could carry bigger shit, or for the occasional longer excursion.

Not my local pizza. It’s better than the chains(they’re their own chain of like 9 locations now) but it’s still $18 for a medium 1 topping pizza. But you are definitely paying for quality over quantity

It’s a blog post that went on way too long and was illustrated because the chick had nothing better to do with her free time and already had connections with a publisher

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hahaha if that aggro fatass didn't even lock his fuckin bike then he deserves it. and that's like best case scenario, all he has to do is get it from over that fence.

>Cyclist spends all his time working out
>Can't even catch up with a fucking George Costanza wannabe who is half an inch from his grip

kek

>Yea Forums likes this shit
the cover should have been enough to turn you off from it

>Pink hair

Every time.

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