What's the worst, most blatant character assassination you have ever seen in a comic series...

>wally
Heroes In Crisis is one of the worst comcis I've ever read. Right up there with OMD as far as character assassination goes too.

>He didn't like Harley Quinn beating the Trinity

Also, hang on, wasn't Pym's soul devoured by some kind of entity?

So badly that they said the real Cap was hidden away in the Cosmic Cube and had to have him pop out and beat Hydra Cap

Did they ever resolve what they did with Hydra Cap?

Vision and Scarlet Witch, the only writers that really cared for them were Roy Thomas, Englehart and maybe Busiek and Bill Mantlo.

Not Pymtron for sure.

Pym's decline started over a miscommunication between creators and a single slap. Hank is not a wife beater

>character assassination
His name was Miles Morales, The Spider-Man...

Spawned a whole slew of memes

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Wrong thread, this about characters becoming worse not better

The villains in Coates' current Cap run broke HydraSteve out of prison and apparently killed him.

Beast has sucked and been a fucking horrible person since he found about X-Force

Go back, Yea Forumsmblr.

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Harley beating the Trinity was the least of Heroes In Crisis's problems.
Beast has only been likable in the Avengers comics and the X Men cartoons.

Dude, there is like 3 good Iron Man stories. His books are just him being depressed.
>Uh oh I got kicked out of the company again
Iron Man is only good in his team books and the Ultimate universe, where he can actually have fun. He literally thought he had a inoperable brain tumor in the Ultimate universe and was still more than fun than 616 Tony. Tony best run was the one by Matt Fraction and even that one wasn't great. You actually need to read comics, Iron Man comics usually aren't good. The movies with him are good, but nearly all of his comics are boring and mediocre

I remember when people swore this was Cosmic Cube shenanigans and Marvel swore, AW HELL NAH, so naturally it turned out to be Cosmic Cube shenanigans.

>fun, fun, FUN I want all my books to be FUN
>EVERYTHING must be the SAME
>FUN
Christ you faggot, if you want everything to be "fun", read something "fun". It's almost as if different books occupy different genres and themes.

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It's screaming that it's ultron doing all of it, like it doesn't fit and needs to be taken apart.

The only way to fix Pym is go full Parallax with him and fully fuse the two characters into something that looks good and whole.

Because...there is NOTHING to that character outside of this new change. Pym being fixed/cured = shitty character.

Pyms decline started the nanosecond they decided to do that thing with him becoming the wasp. He was that useless and shit as a character that they had to go that way with him.

Yes the slap is the worst thing writers have done to a character. Because while a character can be ruined by one writer, Hank's been ruined by ALL the writers. No matter who's writing, it's about that slap. Hank's sorry but nobody cares. He's worse than Hitler. Reformed supervillains are on the Avengers and Hank is a pariah.

Bro he's right.
IM stories have always been shit.
He's had some cool shit happen, but overall he's been shit.

He's only interesting in the Ultimate Universe and with extremis.
Emperor Stark was cool..but the overall story with the fucking inhumans was embarassingly bad.

Goddammit you faggot, just because you don't like corporate shenanigans doesn't mean you can get in, change everything about the character and then say "here bro, I fixed it". I don't give a fuck if you think if it's bad or not, but changing everything about the character and turning him into Spider-Man: Rich Version, is objectively a downgrade. Faggot.

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But that's all Tony ever fucking does, it doesn't even make sense for him. Daredevil is depressed all the time for good reason, Tony isn't. Also even Daredevil stopped being dark for a little bit. It's not even the fact that Iron Man stories are just about a sad loser, they aren't good sad stories like Daredevil. Read any Iron Man from this entire decade and tell me how good it is

Phoenix Cyclops

user, no one here believes you've ever read a fucking comic in your life.

Most of IM's stories aren't corporate shenanigans you fucking retard.
The thing with obediah stane is basically the only good one.

That's not character assassination, nothing happened to Scott's character. He was controlled by the Phoenix, Scott had no part in it. Scott didn't even want the Phoenix, Tony was autistic and accidentally put it in him. Nothing that Phoenix Scott did was Scott's fault

Yeah, it's getting kinda obvious that you don't read Iron Man

One Year Later Cassandra Cain

not necessarily his action as the phoenix but his characterization during the early parts of that arc made it clear they were just setting up the groundworks for him to turn into a villain
it was character assassination in the most literal sense, they killed him and replaced him with a poochie clone of himself

tom king batman

>But that's all Tony ever fucking does, it doesn't even make sense for him. Daredevil is depressed all the time for good reason, Tony isn't.
It's almost as if being an emotional faggot is a characteristic of his, or something...
>Also even Daredevil stopped being dark for a little bit. It's not even the fact that Iron Man stories are just about a sad loser, they aren't good sad stories like Daredevil.
Who's talking about Daredevil? Yeah, his stories are objectively better. Why the hell does that mean Iron Man has to be turned into a manlet quipster?
>Read any Iron Man from this entire decade and tell me how good it is
...Yeah, this decade, the decade of RDJ Iron Man...
Jesus fuck you faggot, of course the comic is not Glengarry Glenn Ross or Wall Street, because capewritters can't be arsed to write anything different. But to pretend that there aren't undertones is a lie. Stone's whole villain-arc was being a butthurt corporate rival.
>n-no u
Go jump in a lake.

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Someone should make a Hank antman comic where the slap never happened, Hank isn’t a cuck, Jan isn’t a whore, and Pym is respected as a fine scientist (even though not the best and made Ultron) and a fine superhero (even though not the best but important). Have him do signature antman/giantman storylines and people will buy it.

Yeah, didn't want it so bad when he laid a giant phoenix egg he sat on it until it came time to take it out of the universe, Phoenix empowered himself to fight doom only to get snapped.

No, that was really just an extension of where he'd been going since M-Day. We talk about the status quo a lot but in the case of Scott he really did change, just like Magneto (it's being undone because).

The Phoenix and the host are one and the same. This has been the case since the beginning. It's why Jean Grey had to die originally and why her backstory and many deaths are so fucked up and neverending - because she's personally responsible for all the Dark Phoenix stuff, but then it wasn't her it was her clone, but then her clone is basically her mind in a different body, but then that body has its own personality and name now, but then she's several different time travelers, etc etc etc.

The Phoenix doesn't choose hosts, it just manifests through them. It doesn't direct their actions, just gives them limitless power to act as they please. Given the number of X-Men and other mutants who have limitless power and go crazy with it, letting the Phoenix ones off is pretty dumb.

Corporate shenanigans are not enough of a piece of IMs history to be considered 10% of his background.

Quick
Think of 6 coroporate espionage themed or corporate shenanigans created/caused IM villians.

Sane Hank is boring
Non whore Jan is boring

Just remove the slap and make him a science adventurer ala aquaman from BTAB and Jonas Venture
Also make Jan a manipulative cunt who's all about popularity and doesn't really like her Ex-Hubby because he's "too good for her".
But she always ends up in one of his adventures and he always ends up accidentally romancing her.
Till he fucks it up by leaving for some other adventure or they have a massive fight over something and don't end up fucking like coked up rutting animals.

> that was really just an extension of where he'd been going since M-Day
not denying that, but the amount of time it took for it to happen doesn't really change the fact that it's completely different from his original direction and very jarring to his fans
the fact that it ended the way it did is just a kick in the nuts really

Cyclops never did anything wrong in the early parts of the story. The only thing that would have got him in trouble is that he wanted Hope to use the Phoenix to save mutantkind, which worked. If anything, the other character were more messed up than him. Wolverine tried to kill Hope for a safe world, although he saved from Hope from Bishop doing the same thing. Also the Avengers wanted to lock up Hope for no reason than to keep her away from the Phoenix. If the Avengers or Wolverine got to do what they wanted, the world might have been destroyed by the Phoenix or at the very least the mutants would be dead. Cyclops was right. Also I don't recall Cyclops dying in the story, maybe you don't mean literally and I'm being autistic tho

>Think of 6 coroporate espionage themed or corporate shenanigans created/caused IM villians.
Sure.
>Justin Hammer
Corporate Rival.
>Obadiah Stane
Corporate Rival.
>Sunset Bain
Corporate Rival.
>Tiberius Stone
Corporate Rival.
>Edwin Cord
Corporate Rival.
>Melter
Corporate Rival.

>Sane Hank is boring
>Non whore Jan is boring
Hurr durr you can only be interesting if you’re a crazy cuck and your wife is a whore

Phoenix-Clops and Right-Clops are the most Based-Clops. Thank Mephisto that Hickman agrees.

>Cyclops never did anything wrong in the early parts of the story
He's characterized as being a ticking time bomb that is being pushed around by uncharacteristically dickish Avengers, and eventually blows. The messed up thing is that the Avengers never get called out for having acted like complete assholes and yet everyone gets their turn shitting on Cyclops for having snapped. It's really fucking annoying.
>Also I don't recall Cyclops dying in the story
He doesn't die in that arc proper but he gets destroyed by Doom not much later

I used Daredevil to show what a good emotional person story is like, something Tony doesn't have. Current Iron Man comics suck and past ones are boring. His personality barely exists, most of it comes from reacting to the outside world. He doesn't have major character traits other reacting to what's around him and being a thot. His best stories are with the Avengers, he shines with them for some reason. To the point in which he actually is one of the best parts. Writers barely know what to do with Tony, they try to make him all techy but it becomes too wordy and they make him corporate and it's too boring. I never read his Knight stuff so maybe that could be something. What I'm saying is that most solo Iron Man stories stink

he's essentially a shittier version of Providence Cable, a character he fought tooth and nail against for being wrong for choosing segregation. It's fucking stupid.

He only used that when it was necessary. If Sunspot and Cannonball didn't go to Nation X, he would have never used the egg. It was for big shit and that was a good time to use it. And besides I'm talking about how he didn't want it in AvX, not how he used it in Secret Wars. Secret Wars was literally the worst possible scenario and things were grim, he had to pull out the big guns

Is Hank intersting now?
Is Jan?

>muh boring
I don't care faggot. I liked him. 5 other people liked him. Changing him into a quipster to appeal to people liek your faggot ass isn't an "upgrade". Christ,y ou're allowed to dislike characters, and other are allowed to like them. I'm not even arguing that he's got brilliant and relevant stories. Just that his current persona is even worse.

user, of all of those characters, only Stane had a good story, and had a good MCU counterpart.

The rest of that shit is forgetable shit and a major reason why basically all of 616 IM stories are trash.

She didn’t beat them though

>moving the goalposts
You asked for corporate villains, I gave you corporate villains.

Phoenix must cause some form of psychosis or something. I doubt the world would let Namor off the hook after he drowned Wakanda. I understand that Namor had more control than Cyke since Namor only has 1/5 of the Phoenix but he isn't wasn't in full control of his actions, he was like 6/10 in control of his actions probably. Cyclops was in 0/10 control of his actions, he even says that the Phoenix was controlling him in AvX Consequences. Cyclops admits that he was being controlled by the Phoenix during the second half of AvX

I can't think of another character that got so completely fucked.

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No you're right. I moved the goal posts.
But I stand by my "you don't read comics" thing.
You did a quick google search and named a bunch of nobodies.

Shit, even The fucking Mandarin was a corporate rival for a while.

I guess Cyke was maybe slightly unstable but that was just how he was post M-Day. He became a harder and more in charge guy, took no shit. The Avengers were dickish in the story but Cyclops never really blew back. He just run away from them. He only blew up when he got the Phoenix, which wasn't his fault really. Cyke was killed by Doom in Secret War, but there is a 3 or 4 year difference between AvX and Secret Wars

Emma Frost, over the course of fuck all time, went from declaring she could have killed all Inhumans but didn't as a show of mercy, to trying to kill all Inhumans for something they did well before when she spared them.

Fucking Christ you faggot, why are you butthurt? I like Howard Hughes, Stuck-Up Stark. What's your goddamn problem? Are you just a fujoshit? You wanna fuck that sweet Tony boipucci and you can't fantasize about it if he's a Chad instead of a quipping manlet?
He still is, technically.

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You're missing the point, which is that there is a pint at which Scott will happily gobble down a bowl full of Phoenix Force. Whether it's death of the entire multiverse OR him wanting the Phoenix to somehow help the mutants after the trajectory towards extinction they were on after Decimation, they're the same thing to him. Scott didn't take the egg to fight Doom, he took it hoping it would save mutants form the end. Everything he does, as extreme, whoops, as Xtreme as he goes, it's all for mutants. However much damage control was attempted later didn't really matter at all. And sure he got worse when he had the Phoenix and the more Phoenix he got the worse he became. That's just the Phoenix for you.

Fine, I understand that current Iron Man sucks more than the past Iron Man. He acts like a try hard to be quirky but doesn't have the charisma of RDJ. At this point, it's just an argument of opinions. Its just personal preference of what type of stories we like now. I really don't like most 616 solo Iron Man stories but I like his movies.

>hyper advanced machines merged with humanity to propel it to greater heights
>people push a fucking mill wheel manually
jesus christ who writes this shit

K.
Mike Grell.

The fuck?

user, no one likes old IM.
His comic always sold poorly and IM has never been well liked.
Being a drunk and his battle with obidiah stane are basically all people know about 616 IM.

Probably this Piece of Shit right here.

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Yeah, I understand what you mean about Cyclops wanting the Phoenix in Secret Wars. He actually says 'I've been looking for an excuse to take you out" or something similar to it. He also says, "Do you know what this is? It's love" to the Phoenix when uses it in Secret Wars. He definitely really wanted to use in Secret Wars and loved it. But he didn't even think about using the Phoenix for himself in AvX, he spent the entire training Hope for it. The Phoenix going into him was an accident in AvX but he purposely really wanted to use it for mutants in Secret Wars. He most likely wanted to use it's powers for mutantkind and to show he can handle the power without being taken over like in AvX

>classified as a B-lister
>90s cartoon
>several video game appearances
>was chosen over any other character to headline their cinematic universe when Marvel's big names were licensed out to other companys
Yeah, I'm sure absolutely no old liked old Iron Man and he wasn't well liked at all before his big jump in popularity to A-lister from the MCU.

>different people have different tastes
Crazy concept, I know...

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Well he was a B-Lister but that's not that bad. He definitely made an insane and undeniable jump in popularity due to the MCU and is now of worlds most popular fictional characters. Normies didn't know his name in the 90s, he wasn't unpopular but he wasn't popular he was a B-Lister. His jump is one of the biggest ones a superhero has ever taken

> Implying

Iron Man was a so so character. He has a handful of good stories. But MCU Iron Man is fine.

Now MCU Thor, on the other hand..... what did with him with his two movies is terrible.

This Shocker pisses me off.
>treat him as though his suit is necessary for his survival
>act as if his name is "Shocker"
>clearly gets his vibration shockwave powers wrong

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She was able to get the drop on all three of them, hold Batman hostage, and then get away scot-free. She beat them
really what happened is Clark and Diana stoood there and laughed while Batman got his ass kicked by the manager of the Hot Topic in the Gotham mall

Well, it's comics. The characterization tends to get all fucky from writer to writer (and sometimes for the same author). Fitting for a thread about character assassination. The last run before House of X didn't help him much.

Yeah, Scott was definitely edging closer to extremism for quite some time but he certainly didn't intend for the Phoenix to be split as it was, or use it personally during A vs X. Moving on from Scott I'm curious what they'll do about Wanda after all this. I wonder if she'll go back to being a mutant now that Disney owns Mutant film rights again. Otherwise it's (presumably unintentionally) hilarious that she decimated the mutants, was called a traitor, but instead turned out to be humanity's greatest weapon against mutantkind. You could say she made up for it because she and hope undid No More Mutants but she attacked the Phoenix, mutantkind's murderous patron saint.

In Endtown it was Holly and later Dottie who got the character assassination treatment. Both instances were extreme and blatant, completely 180ing them as active competent protagonists into a shrieking madwoman or tonedeaf SJW journalist.

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Apparently attractive heteronormative aryan man in a position of power am bad.
Look at Hulk. Male strength vigor and agression is bad.

>He's become so paranoid he'll call anyone with a dissenting opinion a fujo now
Don't worry Starkfag I'll still be wanting to clap those cheeks even if Tony's a chad whether you like it or not.

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>character is written from the start to be a disguise Magneto made up to infiltrate the X-Men
>clues are dropped throughout Morrison's run on New X-Men in such a way that on subsequent readings, it's actually very clear what's going to happen
>executed so well that readers end up liking Xorn as much as the X-Men did, really selling his infiltration and inevitable betrayal
>Xorn as a concept has a defined arc, and a defined expiration date, and that's part of what makes him work
>Marvel: Oh shit, you guys liked Xorn??? UH UH UMMMM A-ACTUALLY, THERE REALLY *WAS* A XORN! HE'S REAL, GUYS, MAGNETO DIDN'T COMPLETELY MAKE HIM UP! SEE? THAT CHARACTER YOU LIKE SO MUCH IS BACK, PLEASE BUY MORE X-BOOKS

It's been like 15 years and I'm still mad.

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God fuck, not everything is pollitical. Stop saying everything is SJW, Thor was just depressed

Cyclops abandoning his wife and child with zero hesitation the second he hears Jean's back over a phone call

What the hell were the Silver Age fanboys at the office thinking? I get wanting to do an original 5 book, but launching the comic like that?

Speaking as someone who grew up reading Hank Pym in West Coast Avengers thanks to my cousin's 80's stash, I never understood all the hatred and disrespect shown by Marvel writers.

The only instances where Pym is treated with respect is in the Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon and the MCU. Michael Douglass as Pym is awesome as fuck and I wish we could get a big-budget mini-series about him and Janet doing shrunken adventures in the 80's as a spy couple.

Pym is a great character, but I agree with the rest. Ultron is Hank's dark mirror. Their merge is interesting, but I hope he can be redeemed and rehabbed in the future. I doubt the wider audience cares, but I do.

Hank Pym has always been a piece of shit no big deal there

Humphries and Spencer of all people wrote him respectfully. Of course Busiek fixed him for real until the Bendis era ruined everything again. Slott is a mixed bag. Gage did a great job in Avengers Academy.

Go away Bendis

>beats his wife
>builds evil robot that beats his wife
>merges with that robot so he can beat his wife more effectively

I rather liked Hulk. Sure he has brains as well as brawn, abut as for the "best of both worlds" did he really? When we saw him back in 2014 New York he was a pale shadow of that Hulk. Sure he had the brains and could better direct his raw muscle power, but he lacked what makes Hulk so effective in combat: his anger. Without the savage he just wasn't as useful. But then this seemed to be a ploy to weaken him and Thor so there was more room for others.

I could've sworn that Shocker would get royally fucked up if he used his shockwaves without the full-body oven mitt.

Really hate what they did to the Question

Robert Downey Jr. himself as Iron Man is god-tier, but the comics failing miserably at imitating that is what the problem is.
They basically turned him into the normie perception of Deadpool.

wasn't actually a slap, shoved her away but miscommunication between writer and artist, classic "marvel way" screw up. he was drugged and manipulated by egghead, but it's okay that jan exploited him being crazy, with everyone know he's going crazy, to marry him. same era that would give us the rape of ms marvel.

don't know why people never understand what started the whole "abusive hank" meme.

...Except the prior panel shows Hank trying to squash Janet in a fit of rage.

The whole "miscommunication" excuse is Shooter trying to cover-up his past fuck-ups. There's an interview from around that time period where he extols Janet as his waifu and that she shouldn't be tied down to Hank. So it's clearly evident that Shooter wanted Hank to be a spouse abuser.

It's the same revisionist hogwash that he spouted about Avengers #200 where Carol Danvars got raped/impregnated by her own son.

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Since Byrne, writers who cared only seem to care for one of them, and have kept them apart, and their best known stories since are House of M and King's Vision, which they may never recover from if their Disney+ series adapts one or both.

Immortal Hulk

Not really, it’s contrived and overplayed to make him a fuck up failure cuck and her a whore

Waid wrote him well in a one-shot and in Daredevil

OP didn't say "post character reconstructions".

>always been a shit crazy piece of shit

show your work. crazy? sure. piece of shit? how

Oh, he does. But I mean even when not using the gauntlets. Like here:
youtube.com/watch?v=oO9lLFZrWcQ
Gargan, whose suit is supposed to be fused to him, is able to take it off. But Shocker somehow is required to wear his suit even while in prison?

You mean Hulk going back to his roots?

Yeah, current Iron Man is a cheap imatation of based RDJ

The Xmen

Jesus mate, did someone hurt you?

>everyone hates Hank for slapping Jan
>but everyone hates Jan because... she exists, I guess
That is some weird 4th dimensional contradiction/hypocrisy going on there.

Fraction's the one who ruined Beast though.

It's clear that Cyclops like the rest of the X-Men are being brainwashed, why else does he want amnesty for fucking Sabertooth?

EMH Pym was great and he got to go balls deep in the best version of the Wasp

James Gunn with Starlord. I know this thread is about the comics but I guess it counts since they tried adapting the shitty movie version into the comics.

>It's clear that Cyclops like the rest of the X-Men are being brainwashed, why else does he want amnesty for fucking Sabertooth?
Because he's a mutant. Fighting humans to protect a mutant, even Sabretooth, has been normal for the X-Men for a long time now.

user, annihilation comic Starlord is not much different from movie starlord.

Both completely inferior to the pulpy black and white space cowboy Starlord and his space ship.

Because Joe Quesada was a massive bitch that hated Morrison because he went to DC after they rejected his Marvel Boy 2 pitch.

Morrison left after X-Men and Joe Q. tanked his run real fast.

The only reason Scott/Emma stayed around was that Whedon wanted to write them in Astonishing X-Men and Joe Q. couldn't tell him no.

For crying out loud they keep letting Magneto join the team and he's been trying to kill Scott since he was a teenager.

Bendis didn't fuck Hank, Chuck Austen did via having Jan make up fake instances of past abuse EXPLICITLY to turn Hawkeye against Hank, so Jan could finally fuck Clint after years of him cockblocking her because of bros before hos (as Clint was Hank's biggest defenders at the time and was the one who got Hank to join the Wackos after he retired).

Bendis treats Hank as someone who is too pure and good for the world, which shits on him. Hank was the ONLY person running the Pro-Registration side to get fully cleared/absolved from the evils done by the Pro-Registration side and Secret Empire explicitly states that Hank is like Batman, in that his soul/mind/memories can be weaponized; but unlike Batman, Hank's soul is so fucking pure that pretty much every Skrull who impersonated him via memory dump/DNA transfer, rebelled against the Skrull Invasion force until they decided to only do a partial memory dump into the last Pym Skrull to avoid him going rogue.

Not to mention the fact that Age of Ultron was built entirely on Wolverine going back in time to kill Hank to stop him creating Ultron only to find out that killing Hank dooms the Earth to a hellish nightmarish dystopia. Or that (if urban legend is to believe), the chief reason why Avengers Disassembled was such a steaming pile of dog shit that didn't make sense, was due to the fact that the plot was originally conceived by Chuck Austen with Hank as the murder and that Bendis, when he was hired to take over the book and told that he had to write Disassembled as his first arc, explicitly changed Wanda to the murderer due to him not wanting to go with Austen's plans to have Hank be the one who murdered half the team to set up the JLAification of the team.

Also for a fun fact: Avengers D

Wow which issue?

at least annihilation Starlord was semi competent

If Hank and Ultron fully fuse, I hope they name themselves "Salvation".

>Still believing Shooter's bullshit excuse.
Yeah, I'm sure that the man that allegedly drove Zeck to nervous breakdown couldn't just make artist redraw it. Also, he sure had a storyline with clearly slapped Jan ready fast!

I always thought Remender intended to have the character redeemed but I could be wrong. That ending in Rage of Ultron with Starfox telling Pymtron to love himself and him floating in space and us seeing his heartbeat. I dunno but what we got after that is just disappointing.

the slap isn't really mentioned much in the story

Marvel were being petty bitches
They managed to spook Morrison out of Marvel completely. I don't think Morrison even has an interesting in working with them again.

Not the user you replied to but I think MCU Star-Lord is more like DnA Star-Lord more than Annihilation Star-Lord but I get what you mean. But now that we're on the subject of character assassination and Star-Lord I think Humpries was the writer that majorly character assassinated Peter. He made him into an incompetent buffoon that no one respected and I really hate when comic writers do that to Star-Lord.

I also hated what the Russos did to MCU Star-Lord as well.

Also when Tony uses Hank's virus on Ultron and Ultron deduces that it couldn't have been Tony who developed the virus and that someone much more creative did it which is how he deduces that Hank did it.

But yeah I never got that Bendis hated Hank. Also Chuck Austen is the worst.

Hank beat Janet one time everyone keeps bringing it up, when other heroes do terrible shit no one constantly brings it up reminds me how Deadpool called Cap on that bullshit where he does something that they don't have the balls to do they hold it against him but when someone like Blackwidow or Logan crosses that line all is forgiven or they get a slap on the wrist.

It was contained in the soul stone from what I recall.

Janet has gotten beaten so many times, even by Hank's daughter who also beat her friend but they all get a pass except Hank.

I thought it was Bill Jemas that he always clashed with?

>After learning of the Infinity Stones' return,[60] Ultron began a quest to collect them all. While the aliens he infected with his virus and sent to take the Space Stone from Wolverine failed at their task, Ultron was able to steal the Soul Gem from Magus after ruthlessly killing him. The fragment of Hank Pym's soul that lived within Ultron became trapped inside Soul World when he took hold of the Soul Gem.[61] Hank was wrapped by the all-consuming Devondra, a monster corrputing Soul World, in an idyllic fantasy in which the Avengers managed to rescue him. While deliriously believing that he had returned home and reunited with his friends, Hank's soul was eventually consumed by Devondra.[62]

fuck Marvel

>Janet has gotten beaten so many times, even by Hank's daughter who also beat her friend but they all get a pass except Hank.
Holy fuck lol you have any panels?

You're right user, thanks for correcting me. I am sometimes blinded by my Bendis hate, and Austen had the benefit of Coipel and giant Jan. But you're absolutely right about all that shit with Clint blowing up during that arc with Scott Kolins art. It was Austen's fault. I guess Bendis tactfully wrote Hank and Jan out of the way in Avengers Finale, to his credit.

Pymtron is a great idea for an eventual Ultron redemption arc, it's just a Shane he's so underutilized and underdeveloped. The issue where Pymtron calls all of the Avengers out on their shit was basically the only good thing to come out of the Hydracap fiasco.

Batman. hes just a somber smart dude

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So many to choose from...

Iceman
X-Man
Sentry
Wonderman

>Also for a fun fact: Avengers D
user posted while in mid-sentence, now we'll never know what the fun fact was going to be.

This

I mean look at this shit...he has no trunks.I'm glad they fixed this shit. He looked way too faggoty.

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I'm pretty out of date with my canon but the last bit I read about "PymTron" was rage of Ultron. I thought it wasn't canon. Are you telling me there's a "PymTron" running around ?

Yes and he's fused Vision with Simon and now he's going to fuse Janet with Jocasta in Slott's Iron Man.

PymTron became canon in Duggan's Uncanny Avengers.

This will be my final post on Yea Forums.

How can anyone think that this is scary for real ? How can anyone take seriously a horror book with Green Trump as a supposed to be frightening monster ? How can anyone see Green Trump as frightening for real in this book ? "Ouh, Green Trump is smiling, so unsetlling, this is so scary guys..." why are you lying to yourself like that ? You guys are just forcing onto yourself the new fade there will be in this hivemind of a board, with the blandest, tamest, most classicly safe comic book there can be, while your selective outrage is shitting on Shelton's The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers for things that would be praised if they were written by someone else, but NOOOOOOOOOOOO you have to shit on it even if it's good because the hivemind dictates you to do so !!!

No wonder you can't get laid, but guess what ? I got a girlfriend now. For the first time of my life after 36 years I finally got a girlfriend, and all that nerd fuss has become so irritating since. I'm just leaving for good now, I had plenty of fun with that board but I'm done. I wish you to get girlfriends to, maybe it will open your eyes about the hivemind that is destructing your self, but sadly, the hivemind is probably keeping you away from being able to seduce anyone, so you're most likely trapped in a vicious circle, and sadly, there is no Jean Henri Gaston Giraud to save you from it. I just hope that this message will maybe help you to think by yourself a bit more and to get a girlfriend to.

Enjoy your book