Why is he such a awful Protag?

I could name dozens

That's a lot of ranting but not really anything about Steven not being a good character. Most of that shit is also horrifically out of date as well

Could but didn’t

because every time there is an obstacle in his way he cry's and sings and it goes away

FUCK YOU OP

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>Armed only with a shield
Not even the Targe of the Blooded or the mythic Aegis Shield
Ok, you're right at some point.

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Factually incorrect. Not a single antagonist has been beaten through song or tears

Agent Cooper/Dougie Jones was better than Steven and he was literally braindead.

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sometimes he's good
there's at least something there, eg mom identity issues, that feels relevant and integral to the show's narrative
compared to other cartoon protagoinists that feel more just along for the ride not really anything interesting happening to them except mostly vague "maturing"

but he can be so annoying with such an annoying voice that it makes you want to say he's the worst protagonist you've seen

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Okay

Well you're in luck on the voice front.

Steven is a bad protag per se, it's just the world he operates, creator intention and justifications notwithstanding. The way the show has the characters handle the conflicts is kind of not proportional to the conflicts themselves. No one really suffers the consequences for the actions in a way that feels just.
Pink Diamond/Rose played both sides and pitted Homeworld and Earth against each other because she was lazy, which resulted in her allies being haki'd by the Diamonds and leaving monolithic graveyards worth of friends behind. She passes the buck to Steven to sort through. The Diamonds should've been shattered and made into chandelier fixings as justice, but instead they hug it out with the protag and everything is hunky dory. No one really gets the comeuppance they actually deserve for the shit they pull because Steven believes everyone needs hugs and kisses to makes things right.

ehhhhhh...
>I want my happily ever after back!

Awful show, awful star.

>Out of date
It still happened.

But enough, a defense of Steven

>Generally wholesome, good natured, amusing expressions and quirks
>Defensive, healing and shield based powers are fun and can be manipulated for sun situations
>Good intra episode arcs where Steven learns new lessons, such as letting white lies slide occasionally (ie pretending the exam was hard to ease the CGs worries)
>Good inter episode arcs, including where Steven hold the CGs to account (Amethyst over Kindergarten, Garnet over seperation, Pearl over her various secrets, all of them for not believing in the warp robots)
>Utilises plot devices in a convincing and satisfying manner; good example of this is the audio/video split message, evolving uses of bubbling, clever manipulation of fusion, and various pink animals and humans
>Isn't prone to MC amnesia, where a character forgets they have a skill that's useful in order to raise tension
>Prone to learning from faults, such as fear of anything monstrous or alien, to actively raising corrupted gems, to standing up to the Diamonds
>When backed into a corner, resolutely refuses to move if someone else's wellbeing is at stake, yet is willing to sacrifice his own wellbeing if it gets others out of a tightspot
>Maxed out charisma, leading to a horde of unlikely allies, from immortal light lifeforms, to the ruling class of a space empire, to an eldritch abomination of corpses formed to make a planet killer

There's more, but overall it can be summed up as this; Steven's a good protagonist because despite his flaws, he sticks to his guns of things can be talked out, mercy is always an option, and is able to present good counterarguments to those that disagree. However, he's not what you'd call a wuss, and is the source of several satisfying beat downs, including Jasper getting thwakked amusingly by that damn Yoyo.

Based and fpbpilled.

If you shattered the Diamonds there'd be no healed gems, no fixed colonies and the gem race becomes finite. Put them to work and let them fix shit, that's what the show did and it's better because of it.

Shut up, Boco.

how does that relate to the topic at hand you faggot

Hey I never said he couldn't whine lol. Kid's been working for 2 years to fix stuff (4 if you count S1-5). He deserves to bitch a bit

Fair enough and great write-up

It’s my opinion of Ben. Shit on a shoe.

sorry but I think you misspelled best

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then just say that instead being a faggot about it

He's really not. As far as Yea Forums protagonists go Steven had a pretty solid arc of character development.

Steven's character doesn't change through the series, he gains magic powers but his essential philosophy is never challenged. He starts off as the pacifist unifier champion of group cooperation and stacks up a pyramid of victories being just that.
Steven believes you can always hug it out and everything and everyone can be fixed with the power of friendship and he's always proved right. If the hero's journey is a wheel of self discovery through confrontation of the unknown then Steven isn't a hero capable of discovering anything because in the context of the plot he already has it all figured out. As a Mcguffin Steven works great but as a protagonist he never represents the viewer.

i really hope they can pull out some decent writing for season 6 because there's some real potential now that steven isn't an eternal manlet and zach doesn't have to do that insufferable falsetto shit anymore

HA! Wrong

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Hopefully 6 isn't the last. Would be weird if they only renewed them for one 25ep season

First he was too incompetent, now he kind of feels too competent. I think the sweet spot was somewhere between 3-4 when he started to figure out gem shit

So Steven Universe is Chris-Chan with a modicum of success. Got it.

I dunno, he straight up lost to Aquamarine and Topaz and had to sacrifice himself and even on Homeworld his plan to fix shit blew up in his face and in jail he admits he didn't even have a plan before going.

He's a blubbering pussy. The show implies crying and singing can fix things, when it wouldn't do anything if the "Bad guys" were any kind of actual threat.

I feel like Steven is the right amount of competent.A lot of the criticism for the show in its earlier seasons was totally justified because Steven was incompetent.

Penultimate faggot pansexual cuck manbitch lead that all colleges academics and perverts have spent generations brainwashing the minds of unguarded children teens and "adults" in colleges into thinking is good and right.

This type of character is horribly unpopular with children and adults and calarts artsyles are gone and done.

And no, calling everyone sexists racists self hating(insert whatever here)pedophiles and elitist snobs to shame them so they can steer the narrative and tell people how they should behave and act is...exploding on them.

The theft and rape of the sacred cows of the normies has pretty much signed the death warrant of a massive swath of the entertainment industry.

Look at american cartoons and comics.

>The theft and rape of the sacred cows of the normies
Bit much

u sound triggered bud

>this post
>this reddit spacing
>this rant completely unrelated to anything Yea Forums related
Good lord...

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>I blame the academics

Seethe harder Nigel

Believe In Steven

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Aquamarine was backed by plot even even stopped Alexandrite so I don't know how much that counts. Plus unprepared as he was, he still achieved the best possible ending (making peace with the other Diamonds, gems get uncorrupted, nobody gets shattered)

Actually now that I think about it, it isn't him being competent so much as it is things always falling into place for him that irks me

That's just how it works for the good guys sometimes tqbh. Goku needs to beat the man? Kamehamea times a BILLION

Job's a good 'un

Because he acts like the perfect boy and everyone around him act like he's perfect. There's absolutely no character there, that's why everyone around him shines.

> Bismuth invented a new kind of war crime

Oh boohoo, she wanted to kill people in the WAR so her comrades could live and her race could experience liberation. What a monster

>Didn't watch the show
Yeah we can tell.

You don't need to kill gems when you can bubble them. Bismuth took things way too far and had bloodlust.

Even if Rose disagreed with them, they were still her family.

Bubbling takes time and effort in the middle of an active battlefield and lets your enemies get rescued by reinforcements. It's like trying to slap hand cuffs on everyone ion a modern battlefield. It's especially stupid if your enemy has no trouble with the idea of shattering you.

It's not like Bismuth knew that. She fought reasonably within the terms of the conflict as she knew it. It's not her fault Pink is an idiot

Plus she has no reason to let any homeworld gems die. If anything, she did Bismuth a favor. Look at the Diamomd's powers. That would be one short and failed coup

I'm more reminded of the time Naruto convinced a villain to kill himself and resurrect a village he just blew up 20 minutes ago

steven is what single moms think of a perfect little boy: a whiny sensitive effeminate bitch boy

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What is to stop the gems from waging war again? Never make deals with demons.

Steven could punch those faggots into dust.

>Posts Wanted
Opinion disregarded

he'd just cry and whine about it to connie

t.got a wedgie

They weren't malicious and Yellow and Blue hated the system. The movie will probably touch on this given one of the songs is all 3 of them and Steven called Let Us Adore You.

Lars bullied him all the time and he didn't care so I doubt it.

Physical pain doesn’t really do it for him. Now emotional pain, that hurts. Or animals like snakes who lack arms.

Could have fooled me Batman. You got a clown to catch...again?

lars teased him and it was pretty weak

>Physical pain doesn’t really do it for him
it does though

I’m honestly having a hard time thinking about a time when someone hit him and he cried.

The only time I've seen him shed tears from pain is when his gem was ripped out and he was literally about to die. His durability is fuckhuge since he's a gem.

he cant even stand working out, sadie and lars has greater durability

That was like the first season, things have kinda changed. He regularly trains with Pearl and battles against her HoloPearls.

That's...not what durability means user

more like bad writing

>There's occasionally a thread where
>why is *insert CG name* such a piece of shit
>And it's never Steven
you're in one right now

I mean I like Peaceful Protags, but some times you just gotta kick some ones ass. fuck I'm OK with the no killing rule just find someway to justify your characters peace loving bullshit fuck write a creative where Steven is force to battle.

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yes it is

That's the movie. Also the Diamonds (in Reunited). Also Jasper (Stevonnie and Smokey Quartz). Also Topaz.

Actually that’s called stamina

same thing

>As nouns the difference between endurance and durability is that endurance is the measure of a person's stamina or persistence while durability is permanence by virtue of the power to resist stress or force.

I don't think the Diamond ones count, he got knocked the fuck out and did nothing, they only won cause they pulled out some conveniently magic diamond power shit, and Jasper well everyone shits on Jasper so really no one cared about that one.

I'm talking bout Blue my dude. I know he did the aura stuff to end it

if durability is use in the context of working out they have the same meaning

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I honestly cant remember if he fought Blue or not, I either have bad memory or it was pretty forgettable episode. I guess I'll take your word for it.

Less posty threads, more takey meds.

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He and everybody fought Blue and Yellow

kill yourself halfag

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shitton of problems, doesn't cry endlessly about them

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wander

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Wow a grown adult man. Cool. Now post one around Steven's age.

Move on already Kuro. Ben ain’t shit.

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>muh toon force
Orange Arlo isn't a character he's a force of nature

hilda

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>kuro
obsessed

Please Kuro.

goalposts meet moved. I'm sure you're gonna get long great, your landlord is user.

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First three threads are all this tumblr show. Please....

You criticized a child put under heavy stress for crying, what the fuck did you think would happen? What's next, mocking cancer patients?

bugs bunny isn't a character
spongebob isn't a character
roger rabbit isn't a character
the the Warner siblings aren't characters
I could go on and on

1) You realize how stupid that sounds right?
2) You are the one who gets to decide who and who is not a character based on arbitrary rules that only you know ya' walbat

but you know what? Maybe you're right. Lemme' go check real quick on Wikipedia to make sure he's not a character. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wander_Over_Yonder

Characters...okay let's just scroll down here and, yup. there he is.

"Wander (voiced by Jack McBrayer) – Wander is optimistic, good-hearted, outgoing, energetic, and occasionally annoying to the more level-headed people around him. He aspires to explore different worlds and help people have fun and live free, in opposition to the evil reign of Lord Hater and his army of Watchdogs."

well shit, that's crazy because that sounds like a fucking character to me.

He's not. He's not only a likable character but he fits perfectly for the show he's in. It's one thing to have an empathetic and kind character but steven universe (the show) actually ties deeply into why that's important thematically. You really couldn't have a better protagonist for the kind of show it's trying to be.

And none of that matters because unlike Steven, Wander does not have limits. Also unlike Steven he actually DOES sing to solve all his problems.

So really all you've done is show Yea Forums they were accusing the wrong pacifst of lazy writing all this time.

No what you did is respond to the topic of -
-Steven is unironically the best protagonist of television this decade.
--HAHAHA NO, dipshit. was then replied
---Name a better one. You, or someone else asked for someone to name a better protagonist from this decade.
----shitton of problems, doesn't cry endlessly about them. that was my response but I did indeed post a better protagonist. Never said a better CHILD protagonist, never better NOT CRYING protagonist, just "Name a better one"

but instead you decide that moving the goalposts wasn't enough now you want to switch the subject so that now we're talking about the merits of a child crying in an intense situation or whatever, and that's a conversation we definitely COULD have but that's not the one we're currently having. Y'see?

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We're not having a conversation on who sings or cries more. Just who's the better protagonist. You said ">muh toon force
Orange Arlo isn't a character he's a force of nature" and all I did was respond with, yes he is. That's the conversation we were having in that moment. Now if you want to talk about whether Steven does or does not have limits or whether the songwriting in Wander is better or the songwriting in Universe is better we could do that too. We could also talk about the fact that Wander and Universe are different shows, one is mostly serialized the other is not, or we could talk about the merits of who's writing the better plot per episode or as a series whole but we gotta' be on the same page here.

By not serialized I meant half of Wander isn't and half is but I suppose Universe has it's "Townie" episodes as well so they could remain somewhat equal on those terms.

Self insertation vessel for fat dykes

>Wirt
No

> Actually now that I think about it, it isn't him being competent so much as it is things always falling into place for him that irks me
Hitting the nail on the head for me. Trapped on Homeworld with a dead Lars? Unlock revival tears that bring him back with Lion powers allowing him to get back home no problem. Diamonds finally show up and their literally curbstomping him? That's exactly what let's him talk to them, he wins by losing. White Diamond refusing to listen, bleaching all his friends, and pulling out his gem? That just proves her wrong and unleashes and unstoppable force that culminates in her changing her ways. At least Lars had to die to get him off Homeworld but he never sacrifices anything with the Diamonds, never actually makes a solid convincing point to them, and he himself never defeats any of them physically to get them to listen. He literally loses to all of them yet things just fell into place to make it that he wins because of that. He's just stumbling into these victories by happenstance yet everyone treats him like a brave messiah with a +5 charisma roll when he really just has the lucky feat, and 25 AC made up by below average wisdom and intelligence.

He’s just very lucky

> unlike Steven, Wander does not have limits
Pretty sure his shield doesn't have any sort of limit whatsoever. It's proven so far to be indestructible, he can have multiple out at once, it can expand to whatever size he needs, and let's not mention yet that his healing doesn't seem to limited either being able to bring back the dead and all. I think you're the one mixing up pacifists here.

>show spends lots of episodes about Wander's shortcomings (most notably how autistically rigid and potentially self-destructive Wander's pacifism is), such as trying to solve nonexistent problems which end up making things worse, being too competitive, almost killing himself from overexertion when he's sick, getting stuck in a void and having a bout of escapism and selfishness, almost killing himself multiple times by trying to befriend Dominator, almost killing the entire galaxy by giving away their secret planet by accident to her, etc.
>notably his MO for conversion is incredibly time-consuming and inefficient and relies mostly on annoying the character in question until they get burnt out and hopefully end up a better person over anything else, completely fucking failed with Dominator
>retards who haven't watched the show say he has nothing wrong with him

Hey next time try actually knowing what the fuck you're talking about thanks

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retard

Steven is an alright protagonist, I think the problem stems from the storytelling around him
The camera is almost shackled to him and kinda brings down the feel of the show when you're fucking around for several episodes doing nothing then plot swings onto the scene like a wrecking ball, then leaves as fast as it came
I kinda wish there were more monsters and artifacts of the week, and those are my favorite episodes where you get to see the mundane shit overlap with the cool space magic

because you are watching a childrens cartoon