Remember that time Bruce met his father who specifically told him to stop being Batman...

Well he's a shit father across several writers, enough of them seem to think it's a part of his character to be bad at it.

>you're hurt they are are strong you'll die
>at least I'll die like father
>his father is one of the enemies
OH NO NO NO

Remember when his dad came up with a convoluted plan that involves killing Bruce's family to make him stop being Batman so he can finally be a family man?
Thomas Wayne is a fucking retard.

>Well he's a shit father across several writers
The stuff about Bruce's parents being evil Satanist drug addict murderers in Batman R.I.P. was faked by Dr. Hurt if that's what you're thinking of. Almost all description of Thomas Wayne in other comics is positive.

Stop posting Tom

Ok so I don't really read comics, but if TomBat just wants BruceBat to be nice to his kid, why doesn't he fill in for Batman duty and like rotate time with his family? Like half the week Bruce is Batman and the other half it's DadBat?

>Who told him to instead be a father to his son Damien?
Bruce has more than one son

This issue isn’t written by King, so it’s not surprising that this Thomas doesn’t fit in the story now. You can’t blame King for this.

He'd still be Batman, Thomas doesn't want Bruce to be Batman at all.

I was talking about Bruce, not Thomas.

>Bruce has more than one son
Tim ,Jason and Dick are adults.

Damian is Bruce Wayne's only biological child.

Tim is still like 16 or 17

He is 19.

Not Bruce son in rebirth.

Tim "Drake's" parents were alive and well in the TEC

>Bruce discovers an alternate universe where his parents are alive and he's dead
>doesn't start immediately packing his bags

I also remember Tim holding grudges against Dick because he threatened Tim's parents, or something like that. I don't quite remember it clearly, and I forgot where I read that (probably in either Batman Eternal or Batman & Robin Eternal).

Terry

Batman and Robin Eternal is what you're thinking of. To go over the basics, both of Tim's parents are still alive

>BEING BATMAN IS BAD FOR BRUCE!
>BRUCE IS THE REAL VILLAIN!
Fuckking faggots will never understand that being Batman is what heals Bruce, not breaks him.

not born yet and he is not Bruce kid in the comics.

This type of shit is literally why everyone should be okay with certain characters like Uncle Ben being dead. Thomas Wayne coming back and being a Batman villain is damn near One More Day-tier bad. The only reason it isn't THAT bad is because Batman isn't being character assassinated, his father is. I guess there's also the consolation that it isn't 100% Thomas Wayne either, but a different version of him that went through things differently than the actual dead Thomas Wayne. It's still REALLY bad regardless.

Too be fair, Spider-Gwen is STILL far less bad than what they did with Gwen in that story where she literally cucked Peter with the fucking Green Goblin. They already fucked up Gwen when they did that bullshit.

At least Spider-Gwen never did that with her Peter.

Isn't Steph in college? Why is she dating a 16 year old?

That's because the only way to think that is being fucking whacko.

>Tim's parents are still alive
Is this a n52 or rebirth thing? I just read War Games and I'm sure Tim's dad was murdered somewhere around that time.

Hilarious

Bruce Wayne died on that night along with his parents there is only Batman

that doesnt stop you from being a parent all that does is limit your parenting advice to serious matters now

jason 19 tims 17

No.

he is 23 and Tim 19..

How about no

This is retarded. They're not going to stop making Bruce Wayne Batman. And because of this, any story written saying Bruce really needs to stop being Batman is always going to run into pic related's problem. The Joker can't die because he's too popular to permanently kill off, so writers need to stop making him so evil it's ridiculous that no one has just fucking killed this unpowered, scrawny bastard. Same with "Bruce you really need to stop being Batman." It can exist as a small part of his character, to add tension and some amount of tragedy to his choices. But you can't keep hammering on the idea that "BATMAN IS A TERRIBLE THING TO DO STOP BEING BATMAN OR YOU'LL BE A TERRIBLE FUCK OF A HUMAN BEING" without ultimately weakening the actual strength of the character. Because ultimately Batman is not about how fucked up it is that Bruce is Batman.

The Punisher is a good comparison here. Because the same sort of conflict is much more cohesive to the Punisher story. The stories are grounded, gritty, grim stories about the terrible, fucked up underbelly of modern society and Frank's never ending crusade to kill every part of it as much to try and satisfy his very personal issues as it is to make society better. Except that time he was Frakenstein. Frank is ultimately supposed to be a very screwed up character and the stories embrace this even when they lean heavily into the simple audience enjoyment of monsters getting what's coming to them. Batman has aspects of that, but because of the characters popularity and huge historical variety, the story is ultimately not about how Bruce is a complete failure of a human being, psychologically lacking anything but kill kill kill the bad guys.

Aspects of it are there, but unlike Frank, the best stories come down on the side that as tragic and negative as Batman could be, he's still a functional human being and being Batman isn't a bad thing for him to be doing. Whether this is realistic or not is beside the point.

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Really? The mentally unstable billionaire who dresses up in a bat costume and beats up other mentally unstable people did something irrational? Color me fucking shocked.

Detective comics should be what the name implies, detective stories. Just saying this off the top of my head, should be James Bond meets the Pyg side mission in Arkham Knight game. James bond part is that it is just a forever mantle and the stories are supposed to be self contained. But the detective part was going over dead bodies and clues to find out who dun it.
Now days detective comics is tabloid magazine head lines and celebrity references doing un characteristic things for shock value.

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>Fuckking faggots will never understand that punching hobos and refusing to give The Joker the justice he deserves is what heals Bruce, not breaks him.

Uh-huh.

Nu52 Tim Drake's real name isn't Tim Drake and his parents were Witnessed protected away and are alive.

Yes it's stupid and pointless retcons that nobody ever remembers and has probably been dropped.

>The only reason it isn't THAT bad is because Batman isn't being character assassinated, his father is.
King made Bruce a canon cutter, a retard and has him describing being Batman as a slow inevitable suicide. Calling it character assassination is just too on the nose user

wait what. Was that Tynion's tec run? I remember them teasing that "Tim Drake" was an alias but I dropped TT quick as fuck around then

tim and him are two years apart and only in people headcanons is jason in his 20's.

back when jason first came back writers thought he was dead for 5 years, higher up had to state it only been 3 years because 5 would make both jason and tim 18 since before retcons jason died at 13 and tim came on 6 months later at 13 so dc said they're two years apart

But what did batman think?

What? What's the context for this?

Tim's old origin was returned, so who knows what the fuck is up with his parents nowadays.

No, but the batman persona is closer to who he really believes himself to be than the front he puts on in public. Batman is who bruces wants to be, or is afraid he is, The public wayne is who he despises
(Ironically,Tarantino had his superman observation on the wrong damn dude)

Have you Batman since Rebirth, his character is totally shot. King has done so much damage to the character if the next writer can't get the sales up DC will have to reboot again.

How hard is the hard retcon going to be for Batman once King leaves the book? I bet it's going to be super hard. I expect that, the immediate next issue after King is gone, Bruce will be swinging on his grappling hook through the skies of Gotham like nothing has happened.

I mean, that's basically happening already. Justice League and Detective are basically ignoring the character arc from Batman.

Yeah, a father isn't really the last word on anything.
Bruce is a grown man.

The real Bruce Wayne is when he's on his Bat Computer (in costume but with his mask off) trading banter/jokes with Alfred and his kids. This is one of the rare times he's not putting up a front, but he's also not deliberately trying to be as grim/scary as possible.

does Bruce ever show his real self to other leaguer? or at least Clark and Diana?

You understand jack shit, Tom

Sure. Probably when not talking about work or when he's not wearing the mask. Once Bruce wears the mask, he's gotta be scary.

>be Batman
>raise an ungrateful, spoiled dipshit son who'll never amount to anything and is arrogant beyond anything.

The smart man would keep being Batman.

I mean he’s telling him to stop, while he is simultaneously also being Batman.
So....

>>raise an ungrateful, spoiled dipshit son who'll never amount to anything and is arrogant beyond anything.
Dick's a good boy.

They’ve brought back Jor-El as a dark character, too. Daddy issues!!!

>This issue isn’t written by King, so it’s not surprising that this Thomas doesn’t fit in the story now. You can’t blame King for this.
But you can blame King for how Thomas is written now, pretty much opposite of what he was earlier. "I will kill all of who he cares to make Bruce stop being a Batman, I am sure that will work." Getting persons earlier motives that much wrong tells me King did not read earlier works involving Thomas Batman.

so whats stupider, evil thomas or batman who laughs?

>ungrateful
Jason is not Batmans son ..

It’s funny how we always complain when the female super hero’s aren’t being mothers but find excuses for the fathers.

Lol, what a tard

If Bruce was a woman and a mother readers would want him dead for how he treats his kids. But Fathers? Look, he gave one of his sons a pat on the back, he's forgiven for all the horrible things he has done to them! Such a good batdad.

>things that only exist in your head