You know what I'm amazed at Green Arrow in the JLU? You'd think he'd be siding with the Justice League against Project Cadmus 100%. But he is actually concerned about BOTH Cadmus AND the Justice League. Like he doesn't think ETHER side should dominate because he kinda sees that neither side can be fully trusted in being infallible. Basically, "who watches the watchers" (later became Who Guards the Guardians in the end after he convinced the League not to disband the group)
>Not exactly what I pictured a leftist to be. I assume your idea of a leftist is the Yea Forums strawman?
Jordan Sullivan
"Leftists want everyone to be controlled by an all-powerful central power" I'm afraid is a more pervasive American notion than just a Yea Forums thing.
Dominic Bell
Ollie's a classical liberal in the vein of Camille Paglia and Jordan Peterson. He would likely be very concerned about the Progressive movement, especially being a wealthy capitalist.
Kevin Russell
It's not completely unfounded. But it's not inherently a leftist thing. It just seems like a Leftist thing now because they're the forefront of culture atm. It's a particular mindset that's bipartisan. The desire to control everything and destroy those who stand in your way.
Cooper Smith
That's because Green Arrow is a real leftist and not the tards you see screaming today. Oliver was all about the little guy, and that was exactly why Batman wanted him on the team. He was the first to remind the senior league members that the Justice League is fucking terrifying to the public, hence why organizations like CADMUS came to be, and was the first to pull Superman out of the pit/encourage him to keep the League together.
That's all true but I think Americans tend to see it more as a leftist thing because of the decades of red scare they went through.
Adrian Garcia
Once upon a time there was a politically significant, if not necessarily large, portion of what we know as 'The Left' that favored the small people taking initiative over their own affairs as a mighty collective. If you were a strong, you lent that strength in the service of your neighbors under the pretense that they'd do the same for you. Becoming the end all be all political superpower-in-one, coming to make everything okay with an iron fist, that shit made a lot of left-wingers weary.
A lot of the early twentieth century titans socialism made sure that philosophy and its adherents found themselves on a one way trip to the back of a shed in Siberia. And the Democratic Party sure as shit isn't going to start angling for worker's collectives and decentralized democracy anytime soon. So naturally you won't see much of this kink from any of the fistful of companies that own pretty much everything we see on the boob-tube. It's fucked, but that's what it is.
And of course, satirical shit like Socialism Monopoly being considered "Offensive" doesn't help.
Luke Ross
>Not exactly what I pictured a leftist to be. Yeah, people can act differently from how youtube has portrayed them for the past 3 years.
Aaron Turner
>hence why organizations like CADMUS came to be Cadmus was fucking retarded. They're the ones who started literally everything.
Cameron Sullivan
Correction. The Justice Lords incident kinda started it.
Levi Lee
I'm unaware of that development, but considering Parker brothers basically swindled the creator of Monopoly, a woman who intended the game to be a criticism and warning about the dangers of extreme capitalism, I can't say the irony there is lost on me.
This. But even if Justice Lords didn't happen, CADMUS was inevitable. The Justice League is a group comprised of some of the most powerful people on the planet, unchecked, and answer to no governing body. They all sit up on their orbital clubhouse, plotting, and have a death ray pointing down. Combine that with mind control or simply a hero saying "fuck it", and the Justice League is pretty fucking terrifying to the public. CADMUS was made to ensure the world wouldn't be caught with their pants around their ankles if shit went south. They are essentially people with the same mindset Batman had when he created all of those contingency plans for his friends. Why do you think Batman was the one always conversing with Waller? Because he knew that they were justified, and tried to ease both sides preventing all out war.
Evan Martin
>CADMUS was made to ensure the world wouldn't be caught with their pants around their ankles if shit went south. And yet they're the ones who went out of their way to antagonize the league and activate the laser.
Jeremiah Adams
No, Darkseid started it when he brainwashed Superman. That was the first and biggest catalyst. The Justice Lords just confirmed CADMUS's fears
Nolan Green
>activate the laser. No, Lex Luthor did that behind everyone's backs. Waller and CADMUS really thought the JL attacked them.
Brandon Thomas
Well yeah user. It's a story, and the JL are the protagonists.
Jeremiah Gray
That was Lex doing that shit to fuck over both The League and CADMUS so he could finish his AMAZO body which was later revealed to be a Brainiac plot. Quit being willfully stupid
It was Brainiac working through Luthor who orchestrated all of it. Watch the show again
Eli Butler
But Brainiac wouldn't've been able to do shit if the essential elements weren't already in place. If it hadn't been Brainiac who struck the match that lit the fire, it would've been someone else.
Jaxon Robinson
The League thought adding a satellite cannon was a good idea
Nolan Hernandez
>The Justice Lords just confirmed CADMUS's fears Justice Lords confirm absolutely nothing except that cadmus is run by incompetent retards.
INFINITE REALITIES means ones where cadmus rules and rapes people and eats babies on the daily, guess it's time for everyone to activate those cyanide capsules, right?
Nah, it's pure stupidity.
Juan Thompson
>I am scared of Superman's potential as a threat, so I will manipulate and violate this innocent girl that has done literally nothing wrong to me and even stood against her mad cousin, and then warp her clone into a sadistic and evil monstrosity whose only joy is in causing harm to others >I will then blame Superman for everything I did What the fuck went wrong with Hamilton? All of his claims are undermined by the fact that he developed a secret psychopath child soldier to assassinate all of his/Cadmus's enemies.
desu who the fuck wants a giant laser pointing to earth 24/7? half of the problems were because martian autism towards human race. The other half is all in superman, being so stupid to fall into every lex trick.
Austin Jenkins
They needed it during the Heart of Darkness story.
Daniel Murphy
They built it due to their troubles during the Thanagarian invasion. Giant space weapons seem like a good idea when your worried about aliens wrecking everything.
That's mostly a Leninist notion, in other words the idea that for a socialist society to survive in a capitalist dominated world it needs a strong centralised state built around a socialist vanguard party that can defend and expand the communist idea until all major threats against it are dealt with. It seems a bit cynical for an ideology all about liberation but Marxism has always been a materialist viewpoint rather than an idealistic one and the truth of the matter is that a liberal form if socialism would have never been able to survive throughout the history of the Warsaw Pact and in all likelihood still wouldn't be able to survive now. Arguably it was Gorbachevs liberalisation that strongly contributed to the downfall of the Soviet Union. East Germany rejected it for exactly that reason.
>I used to think you were a guardian angel sent here to protect us. But Lucifer was an angel, too. Powerful.
Aaron James
And it was. Did you see the shit the Tanagarians pulled? Might have been swell to be able to shoot them down instead of ALLAHU ACKBAR'ing the entire fucking satellite into them
Isaiah Roberts
>the truth of the matter is that a liberal form if socialism would have never been able to survive throughout the history of the Warsaw Pact and in all likelihood still wouldn't be able to survive now Self-fulfilling prophecy when you go out of your way to kill every liberal socialist person or regime amirite. Just ask Alexander Dubček.
Kevin Morris
His whole thing was worrying about the civilians. Sure that's what the other heroes and even Cadmus would be concerned with but they were both so focused on topping the other they did things that allowed Luthor to take advantage. What GA saw were two powerhouses employing weapons of mass destruction and metahumans and fighting each other. Batman brought him on as part of the Justice League to be that voice that's there to remind everyone the real reason they were fighting for.
The people.
In the end Batman was right and Green Arrow was there to back him up.
He's a realist. He knows the end result in the JLA is going to be the Justice Lords at some point and that CADMUS is fucking retarded and makes Superman clones and stores shit that should really be destroyed which is where Super Lex came from.
Jackson Nelson
Dubcek was forced to resign, not killed. And China has proven how quickly liberalisation can lead to the complete abolishment of socialism.
Jonathan Torres
I don't really see the point of Cadmus. Not because of any moral or ethical issues. But because the US government already has proprietary rights to super-strong/tough/Energy Projecting mandroids. Which the league buys and uses to provide substantial challenges during training.
It cannot be easier creating 80 clones than it would be an assembly line for Zetas.
Supergirl had the same potential to be a threat as Superman.
Oliver James
I loved Cadmus arc. There were solid in-universe reasons that justified the existence of an organization that intends to make sure that super-powered beings won't ever again become a threat. But unfortunately their attempts to keep capes in check resulted in escalating tensions and an arms race between the superheroes and Cadmus. It felt like a very realistic conflict; one where both sides felt like they were doing the right thing, both felt like the other guys were to blame, and it was difficult to determine where things actually started or who's the guilty party.
Also, stuff like this scene was great: youtube.com/watch?v=m2U5BHxBRMI All the people involved in that argument have a point even if they disagree with one another. It's IMO pretty intense and awesome to handle the arc's conflict that way.
Julian Hall
Even worse. She's going to get a more advanced version of Brainiac inside her.
Ethan Collins
Wait, are you saying China's not socialist or am I missing something here?
you know what, I'll make it a freebie this time here's the episode in question, this page has all the characters that appear in the episode, it also links them back to their origins and comics they've appeared in
Wait are you saying CADMUS custom grew superheros with brand recognition and personality not for funding. But rather they were aware of the propensity of faceless mooks and robots to be overwhelmed by heroes with attitude, despite all having superior statistics? Now that's what I call meta.
Ian Ortiz
>Millenial Monopoly >Forget real estate. You can't afford it anyway.
>Socialism Monopoly >rrads like a parody written by Bill O'Reilly wow. Yeah. No idea what they were going for there.
Matthew Barnes
Because the majority of the US government likes the League and doesn't want to conspire against them.
Which is the biggest problem with Cadmus. Yes complete unchecked power of the League is bad. But when the majority of the planet is on the Leagues side because they frequently go out of their way to help people and save everyone from countless disasters, the only people you're going to get to sign up for taking them out are either trigger happy nuts like Eling or people that already have an axe to grind with the heroes like Lex and Hamilton who are not the kind of people you should want to work with because if they don't like the heroes that probably means they want to/or have been stopped from doing something bad.
The only rich guy they could get to fund them was Lex (because most of the other richest people in the world either are part of or otherwise allied with the League) and surprise surprise he was playing them like chumps while he tried to ascend to god hood.
Joshua Wilson
>Superman is the only one not covering his eyes Wouldn't his supervision make his sight even more sensitive than the average person?
Luis Reyes
Yeah but his invulnerability means it won't hurt his eyes.
