I like muscle girls, Yea Forums
I like muscle girls, Yea Forums
Josiah Ward
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Christian Price
The right one is trans, btw
Jacob Garcia
Angel Jones
Why does every buff amazon/athletic tomboy have to be a lesbian these days
Robert Rivera
Same, especially with a penis
John Taylor
Me too.
Hudson Morgan
And?
Connor Powell
I like giant girls.
Joseph Jackson
I believe that pose of Jasper does suggest something about a blue water gem and torture.
Cooper King
Date with horn girls when?
Joseph Kelly
i need a sauce on this
Alexander Hughes
I like them too. I was upset that Barda was drawn without hips or an ass in the latest Mister Miracle run.
Mason Baker
"Do you like big girls?"
Xavier Jones
Yes I do. Now can you give me the sauce??
Brayden Thomas
I feel you
William Murphy
That was the title and it is the latest chapter.
Justin Flores
Imagine what it would be like to wrestle with a big stong girl in bed
David Williams
Jeremiah Morris
Asher Collins
Abbott and Costello are rolling in their graves. Shame on you.
David Stewart
a like my muscle girls to be more compact, thats why Korra personality being so so shit makes me sad.
Brandon Reyes
MUSCLE POWER
Charles Nguyen
Me too but your examples are shit.
Levi Lewis
I wish Korra was actually a muscle girl in the show beyond like 2 episodes. The rest of the time she has noodle arms.
Jeremiah Morgan
Why can't they find actresses that look like this for the movies? The excuse I hear is "cause they can't act lol," but they actresses they get aren't great performers anyway.
Tyler Gray
Most actresses get into the industry by being hot, and most men don't find muscular women hot.
Isaiah Collins
Very little muscle girls in real life look good.
Camden Robinson
They have male actors like chris hemsworth and cristian bale getting fucking swole for a part but women will only go anorexic
Carter Martinez
Superhero movies are made to appeal to the most common denominator. And they are of the "LIKING GIRLS WITH MUSCLES MAKES ME GAY" mindset.
Xavier Gutierrez
Nice, reminds me of Danni Daniels.
Wyatt Wood
Trannies co-opting this one too?
Carter Myers
Robert Edwards
Most men are cowards.
Samuel Green
Dominic Green
Carter Hernandez
Hudson Sanders
Improved version.
Charles Peterson
Luke Williams
REEEEEEEEEEEE HE REUSED ONE OF THE ROBOTS FOR THE LEGS WHEN ITS ALREADY AN ARM
Ayden Collins
I like the woman so villainous she's basically offensively nude, like neg wondy
Carson Sullivan
I remember when they were trying to co opt The Major not too long ago.
Aaron Torres
Xavier Miller
Tyler Ramirez
most people have shit taste. it's basically the same as 99% of women wanting to be choked and raped by bad boys.
Sebastian Johnson
The thing about Jasper is that she's only ever attractive in fan art.
Bentley White
Andrew Phillips
Liking muscle chicks is just as gay as liking dickgirls.
Carson Sanchez
I'd rather cuddle with one.
Tyler Miller
because in a lesbian relationship one of them has to play the role of the guy
Ryder Gomez
Are you just knocking SU's art style? because she's hot compared to the other characters in the show, best curves and one of the few who has mature proportions
Elijah Murphy
I wonder if you sniff a muscle girl is it girlish smell
Wyatt Hill
Go to the gym.
That's where they are.
Liam Hernandez
At least muscle girls don’t have dicks.
Mason Lee
Bitch looks like John Cena
Oliver Barnes
This gem is cute. I want to marry her.
Nathaniel Baker
Adrian Jenkins
>Dem back muscles
>Dat ass
Some people are just born perfect...unless she had work done.
Levi Davis
the best kind of muscle girl is the kind with a big fat COCK.
Asher Allen
So is the left one
Cooper Lee
Because lesbians like buff girls and by making buff characters lesbians, they can self-insert easier
Liam Martinez
WHERE ARE THE NIPPLES!
Zachary Rivera
>This will never be you
Ayden Wright
good taste user
Aiden Bennett
who is the right one?
Adam Lewis
The only reason to date a Nazi is if they're rich, then you can make it look like a suicide and you can get all their money with a clean soul.
Julian Martin
Holy shit wife material
Samuel Lee
Maybe I get off on the idea of changing her political and racial ideologies with my dick.
Wyatt Hill
Julian Anderson
Gavin Myers
Brayden Anderson
Carter Mitchell
Nolan Fisher
Wait a minute... DIO!
Anthony Wright
Bentley Watson
is there a thread on /aco/ right now. i really want to see some muscle girls getting the dicking they've earned
Brayden Gutierrez
I CAN'T DECIDE!
Jace Hughes
I like em big
I lke em chunky
Luis Thomas
so if average/skinny girls are cheesecake, and muscle guys are beefcake, what does that make muscle girls? a quiche?
Alexander Parker
Cheesesteak?
Christopher Baker
Fucking lold
Colton Rivera
not a cake or pie but its catchy so i guess it works
Ryan Thompson
Not that one, though. She's smelly.
Owen Brooks
uhh sauce on this? for research purposes of course
Evan Garcia
Andrew Bennett
>Having more than one waifu
You disgust me.
Mason Ortiz
Lies and deceit
Nathaniel Carter
Who's gonna be She-Hulk?
Josiah Parker
>Integra, Balalaika, Esdeath all in alpha female tier
perfect
Liam Nelson
e-hentai.org
e-hentai.org
It is a 24 page long Betacest doujin. Do you know how many Jasper doujins westaboos have made? A lot
Jaxson Sanders
a trim, average build female cgi'd to be slightly bigger than usual
Brandon Evans
Some do and some don't. It's just like with most people in existence.
Aaron Fisher
Joseph Morgan
she literally isn't. she just got titty implants.
Kevin Rivera
Goddamn korean slaves can't stay on model
Carson Hughes
Lincoln Sullivan
I miss Demo
Ryan Hill
>not pregnant muscle girl
Nicholas Martin
Meh a solid 40% maybe
Grayson Perry
Tyler Perez
Post more Yea Forums examples.
Camden Morgan
Gabbi is 90% roids and it shows.
Angel Butler
The pasties are so you can nazi her nipples.
Jason Ramirez
Fit Muscle >>> Steroid Filled Beasts with clits bigger than Chyna
Jackson Ross
My nazi wife can't be this degenerate.
Luke Powell
Camden Lewis
>calarts will melt your brain out your nose
Ethan King
Don't let the occasional bean mouth get in your way of loving big bootied brickhouse bitches
Landon Rivera
Kevin Ramirez
Eli Martin
Thomas Hernandez
Fine so long as she's not Mary Sue Turbo Bitch
Jordan Roberts
Jasper made me realize I might be bisexual
gee thanks Rebecca Sugar
Ayden Morgan
Homosexual socio-cultural conditioning that presses people with homosexual tendancies to adopt traits of the opposite gender to compensate for their sense of non--belonging as a result of their non-standard sexual preferences which as resulted in society at large ingraining these traits as being related to homosexuality.
See for reference the gay lisp and lumberjack larping lesbians.
Tyler Bailey
Does anyone know where this is from? Reverse image search gives me nothing
Cameron Taylor
>and lumberjack larping lesbians.
You mean noelle stevenson?
Ethan Cooper
Are you a boy or a girl?
Samuel Hernandez
>Yea Forums
>girl
good joke
Mason Brown
Jasper/Lum?! *supreme god nut*
Sebastian Ward
sporty jaspi makes me want to work out
Levi Mitchell
I enjoy muscle girls occasionally, unfortunately most muscle girl art is either solo stuff or some sort of femdom shit with little twinky dudes. Just once I'd like to see a muscle girl get dominated by an even more muscly guy
Oh and next time OP why don't you try making this thread on /aco/ where shit like this fucking belongs
Isaac Cruz
because no one wants to look at a guy mate. Are you gay or something?
Jaxson Rivera
Nicholas Lewis
Brayden Campbell
Nathan Barnes
Justin Diaz
Nazi futa is the best
Angel Rivera
being bi sucks period
Isaiah Foster
Mods are gay and/or pedos
Aaron Ramirez
literal incel coward. romfl
Dylan Richardson
Does anyone like muscle girls but like not want to be dominated by them.
Nicholas Price
you're all gay she is roiding
Jack Cook
My right or your right?
Also, this is a good post to use to out those who don't read comics
Kevin Long
So it's not gay. Traps aren't.
Jeremiah Thomas
Pretty sure I'm the only one at this point
Evan Hughes
As I said before, huge girls are for huge cuddling.
Camden Ross
Literally everyone on this thread
Angel Taylor
So thats what happened to Duke Nukem
Tyler Johnson
what's the difference between mature women and mommy GFs?
Connor Cook
Mommies let motherhood consume their entire psychology
Adrian Phillips
Christopher Hernandez
Hudson Cooper
Zachary Parker
Why not muscle dick girls
Christopher Miller
That’s literally just a man then.
Isaac Bell
Duke Nukem Forever really took a toll on his psyche. You may now call her Duchess Nukem
Austin Foster
Adam Sanchez
a mature woman is just an older woman, whereas a mommy GF is a woman, regardless of age, with a motherly, nurturing personality that extends beyond their children.
Noah Ward
Caleb Rodriguez
who this? What is she from? Is it worth watching?
Adrian Reyes
she from Metal Family, is worth warching if you dont have a problem with watching it subbed
youtube.com
Wyatt Torres
I love everything about this excepting the song
I don't think I'll enjoy the series but who knows
Elijah Flores
the song hasnt anything to with the show anyways, I think they just wanted to make an introduction clip
William Bell
That's nice, I'll give the show a try then.
Jackson Sullivan
Nolan Rogers
Jordan Ward
Michael Campbell
MUSCLES!!!
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Cooper Gomez
Adam Reyes
this scene was 90s tier levels of inserting your fetish into your show
Logan Nelson
Ain't it grand?
Logan Ross
>tfw mommy gf but guys hate that shit
I'll stick to listing after real mommies
Asher Clark
That's because you're a tranny, dear.
Austin Hall
Very nice. This is a racing show, right?
Robert Johnson
Yep. NASCAR Racers, as I recall.
Brody Gray
Honestly mad that Steven shitverse gave me a muscle girl fetish. First I could joke about how she was a man but at some point I became an unironic jasperfag and I’ll never stop being pissed about that. Fuck that show
Charles Lee
Really? Steven Universe of all shows gave you a musclegirl fetish? Are you 12 or something?
Owen Morgan
"I want weak pathetic children who can't crush skulls like soda cans"
-this user
Tyler Martinez
>soda cans
Get up on proper crushing analogies.
Gavin Cox
Well... my first crush with tomboy or muscle girls was Makoto in my early years.
But the real one thing we must accept is...
Brown is better
Leo Taylor
I don’t know dude, something about Jasper’s body type does it for me and that show was my first time being exposed to it. I don’t even like the show and only watch it to pacify my girlfriend.
Lucas Diaz
Brayden Walker
Are there any transexual nazis?
Bentley Ross
Only Eskimos.
Camden Lee
Caleb Rogers
>a measly 30 feet tall
What a pleb
Carson Jones
Are you looking for a bf? I don't want someone who does everything for me or anything like that. I also want to help out and never make you feel burdened.
Brody Collins
is there an uncensored version of this?
Daniel Martinez
Well... the most archetype thing of a mommy gf in those cases are...
This lunatic hot freak
Charles Long
ooo11.tumblr.com
Jonathan Wood
How big is yourheart?
thats yandere user...
Benjamin Peterson
So you're incel if you aren't raping is what I've gathered today
Nolan Garcia
Fuck you
John Morris
Will you be buying this statue?
Brody Young
Tanya Vanderflock was the female muscle nerd on Mighty Ducks. Shown bodying guys on the ice and once lifted a teammate with one hand.
Leo Cook
Yes please.
Jonathan Harris
The world needs more beefy nerd girls.
Kayden Long
not with that face, she looks like Jim Carrey/the Mask
Austin Lee
So many morons fall for this bait.
Wyatt Edwards
is She-Hulk as strong as the Hulk? I rememver she not losing herself in rage being a thing but I forgot how exactly she works
Tyler Barnes
why not pick a woman of your own size? imagine you had a muscle gf and got really mad with you for whatever reason
she could beat you up pretty badly...
Jeremiah Flores
It's so much better with sound
youtube.com
Luis Garcia
the effort that went into this...
Xavier Gonzalez
Soda cans can carry a lot of weight when unopened.
Michael Young
Is that an xcom reference?
Jack Bell
Her She-Hulk strength depends on her strength as a human. This is why she works out in human form.
Ayden Price
Currently, she's stronger than calm Hulk, due to years of working out in her human form.
Feeling fear and anger can increase her strength but not as much as Hulk's.
Gavin Wright
Nolan Long
Kevin Thompson
Logan Garcia
Aaron Murphy
Jaxon Green
Connor Thompson
Jacob Thompson
Kayden Perez
Ryder Diaz
Nolan Wilson
who is the nazi i dont recognize her?
Sebastian Scott
>that episode where she had to put on a dress
Art of musclegirls in feminine attire is sorely lacking
Aaron Perez
>tanya (15)
Someday when I have disposable income I'll cave and commission art.
Lucas Rogers
more
Ryder Perez
Then just call the cops. Plus, having a muscle girl who’s taller than you is great for numerous reasons: You have more meat to lick, her strong arms and legs during sex will increase your orgasm, she can protect you from harm, and muscles usually bring out more confidence in a person.
Isaiah Evans
this is such patrician taste I'm astonished there isn't more
Isaac Fisher
Bless you
Jace Baker
>not also being a musclechad
The dream is to stand on equal ground
Michael Edwards
Haha oh no that would SUCK haha, but uhh worth the risk?
Joshua Sanchez
I bet muscle girls are weak to anal.
Jordan Myers
Seems like a dangerous game to find out
Jonathan Lopez
That's why guns exist
Carson Howard
Nicholas Wilson
Thomas Richardson
Women can be psycho bitches no matter how big or small they are. It's important to have clear communication and be able to talk shit out.
Charles Murphy
Logan Taylor
Thomas Thompson
Tyler Garcia
Jonathan Thompson
Benjamin Price
Asher Wright
Samuel Fisher
Nathan Martin
John Taylor
Jayden Anderson
Carson Ortiz
William Harris
Mah bulging brocep. That is the absolute sexiest contrast ever conceived.
>be the user who requested that chart
>picked Pantha because I couldn't think of any other prominent animated muscle babes, and added the headgear thing out of an autistic need for a unifying element
>huge animated girls start pouring out of the woodwork just weeks after the chart was completed
Number three absolutely would've been the Scotsman's daughter if I had waited.
Matthew Long
Jayden Williams
Christopher Smith
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Owen Bailey
I'll be waiting, mang.
Adrian Lopez
I see no way this can possibly end with a fortified compound in the middle of the desert surrounded by armed cops
Kevin Powell
lol
just want a healthy loving relationship (TT)
David Myers
no because I refuse to support this version of She-Hulk
Ethan Nguyen
oh noooooo hahaha
Lucas Reyes
yes, vogol on pixiv
Gabriel Russell
C-coco?!
Sebastian Long
I can't find it on pixiv, sorry I don't understand
Blake Hall
search by users... you DO have an account, right user?
she-ra was kinda based
Ian Price
I wish I could post more than 1 pic on this site.
Also, is there a list of couples that consist of tall, muscle girl and short guy relationships? Besides Big Barda x Miracle and Krillin x Android 18?
Charles Russell
ah got it thank you, also nice scorpia
Colton Jones
you can make multiple post if you wait a little bit
Cameron Campbell
Ok.
Matthew Parker
Cooper Phillips
Apparently, her movie has been announced. What do you guys predict?
Personally, I think they’re going to fuck her up. Both her character and design.
Nathan Gomez
Gamora but cgi to scale her up a little
Ethan Reyes
It’s probably baseless but I’m worried the MCU version will be seen as what the REAL She-Hulk should look like and that the old comics version is dated.
Adam Perez
It's a Disney+ series, not a movie. I am cautiously hyped.
Gabriel Long
"Do you like big girls?"
Aaron Wright
Yes, most of the furry community are both trans and nazis. They're also mostly national bolsheviks. I don't understand how this happened, but they all wanna fuck dogs, so they're lunatics.
Joshua Thomas
Trans Nazbol Furries
Juan Nelson
David Perez
you could make the exact same argument with genders reversed.
Why not pick a guy your own size? Imagine you had a muscular bf and he beat you up.
No short girls would ever date average height guys.
Aiden Foster
muscle girls are female, "dickgirls" are male. only the latter is gay.
Lincoln Adams
WHO THE FUCK IS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT Yea Forums? ANSWER ME
Chase Nguyen
I don't remember the name, but they're from The Dark Knight Returns.
Caleb White
A girl with a penis is 10% male, a girl with a man's body is 90% male. Sorry, bro, you're gay and in denial.
Jeremiah Wilson
I actually got a request done of her a few years back, back when CR was a semi-frequent drawfag.
Josiah Thomas
joker's gf
Levi Adams
Are you retarded?
Isaac Barnes
>literal years ago since new art
Damn. Sucks the show never caught on with art furfags.
Wyatt Taylor
Love it when Yea Forums shows it's capable of having good taste.
Ryan Clark
my wife
Luis Rodriguez
Chase Moore
Nathaniel Thomas
Bentley Jones
>that bulge
no men or futa please
Oliver Green
The only good thing we got.
Thomas Thomas
Found this from an user that found it here in Yea Forums. Anyone know what this is from?
William Cooper
Samuel Roberts
Gregsper is my favorite ship in SU.
Julian Long
They really did have weight lifting equipment in the Pond, but I imagine Grim and Tanya would hit their local gym to socialize.
Asher Baker
Definitely PortalComic, but damned if I know which comic. I can't even tell if it's from the BE Story Club or the giantess counterpart.
Easton Moore
look at this fool who doesn't appreciate a big vulva
Henry Richardson
>shill ra
>not having a penis
Leo Morris
cope harder.
Luke Jenkins
shouldn't it be the other way around
she should be paying men for their dick
Ryan Collins
>botw has the best depiction of amazon warrior women I've ever seen in a video game
>there's lots of personality and charm among them
>some are incredibly awkward and nervous around men despite putting up a tough front
>you can learn a lot about some of the random gerudo npcs around town if you just pay attention
>all fanart is basically just the loli gerudo being a loli and urbosa posing dramatically
>no one pays attention to the goldmine of muscle girls in the game because most people who say they've played the game actually never got that far
I'm still mad.
You have the Gerudo in the bar who obviously pursued this one guy for a long time and he kept trying to let her down gently before revealing he was already with someone and she's super depressed about this but can't even be mad at him.
The teacher of the voe class and the jeweler had a rivalry going for a guy but neither actually ended up with him. The jeweler also canonically sleeps naked while wearing jewelry.
Risa, one of the students in the voe class, keeps answering questions about getting a guy in the most extreme manner possible, "I'd deal a crushing blow and take him back home to nurse him back to health." and all that, only you can find her practicing pick-up lines on a dummy and she's just a super sweet and lonely person to it and can't bring herself to be aggressive even while pretending to talk to a guy.
And you'll see little to no fanart of them because most zelda artists don't even know they exist and this pisses me off beyond belief.
Sebastian Hernandez
it's almost worth watching Archer season 9 for her
Samuel Kelly
Anthony Lopez
Amazon Pam was so perfect
Brayden Sanders
Adrian King
why live?
Brandon Flores
Brody Jackson
Luis Rogers
Jaxson Wood
That would be G.I.L.F from Giantessclub.
Landon Taylor
Source?
Also everyone in this thread is based
Elijah Watson
Bomango, from its dA days.
Jacob Adams
I fucking hate that shit.
Too fanservice to me.
I prefer writing erotic shit
Luis Wood
Why do I hate seeing this webcomic?
Dominic Fisher
should have been a permanent change
Nathaniel Allen
I'd have settled for the third act being better executed, really. Maintain the second act's focus on her mental and emotional state. They lightly touched on it with this moment, but they didn't do anything with it.
William Rogers
honestly I always thought a better way to do the third act would be to keep Ruth involved and have it come down to Marge having to convince first herself and then Ruth that using steroids in such a manner does more harm than good
Carson Hill
>soda cans
>not watermelons
Henry Butler
Mm, maybe that could be part of it, but a more natural progression would Marge initially avoiding, but eventually having to confront the fact that she IS still afraid, but now she's afraid of going back to being weak and helpless.
Colton Cooper
Xavier James
What would you want a muscle girl to do to you when she’s in bed with you?
Connor Cruz
Ryder Morales
He's one of those idiots who thinks that any female that isn't an anime waifu is a man.
Evan Jenkins
shit-tier: dominating muscle-girls
mid-tier: being dominated by muscle-girls
god-tier: fighting muscle-girls with the winner dominating the loser
Connor Torres
Christian Peterson
where does "having a 3some with an outgoing muscle girl and a shy muscle girl and you and the outgoing amazon teach the shy one a few bedroom tricks" fall?
Nathan Morales
Lucas Allen
tell me i'm worth loving
Nicholas Price
You got any more of that Aunty Censorship?
Juan Evans
I believe liking musclegirls is the gateway to liking more self-destructive stupid shit like femdom, cuckoldry, /ss/, scat and feet.
Unless you yourself are also muscular, in which case it would be natural and patrician. But that's unlikely given that we're on Yea Forums, the most sedentary and left-leaning board in 4channel.
Justin Carter
>cuckoldry, scat
i really want to know the thought process you had to think this.
Matthew Robinson
Hitler took female hormones at one point if it counts. In fact the night of the long knives happened so Hitler could get rid of his gay buddy Röhm.
Carter Powell
>buff futas
A man of taste , finally
Colton Hall
She is going to fuck my ass and that makes me very happy .
William Jones
We fight and we cuddle .
Josiah James
Imagine being this retarded and insecure .Have fun being a homo .
Wyatt Young
Finally , some good opinions .
Brandon Russell
true
Ian Carter
I like her show but this one was hard
Kevin Lopez
Maledom fags are so insecure, honestly.
Noah Ward
As far as I know, it’s just the one image.
Lucas Reyes
>Maledom
on par with using "cisgendered" in your day-to-day vocabulary
Carter Turner
>deletes post stating the truth about femdomfags
mods aren biased tho
Angel Collins
Sorry, I'm not into tentacle stuff.
Asher Jackson
there's a difference between being a man assuming the standard sexual role and being an obsessed maledom fag who absolutely NEEDS to be in complete control sexually and who is threatened by a woman showing anything even slightly resembling dominance.
Easton Ross
Thomas Young
Owen Mitchell
Based /fit/izen
James Allen
Jayden Evans
best fetish
Alexander Butler
Benjamin Miller
who dat
Jeremiah Reed
Her name's Daisy. That's about it.
Jeremiah Thomas
I want her to wipe my credit records if ya know what i mean
Gabriel Mitchell
Much respect, Trains is hard job
Connor Williams
Landon Robinson
Submissive musclegirls are the best musclegirls
Michael Bennett
>Samus in Amazonian
reminds me of the lack of muscle girl Samus art we have
Henry James
Any muscle girl boxing matches?
Alexander Perez
I don't like cringing, yet here you are, making this cumbrain thread
Leo Mitchell
Jack Garcia
any cute fan art of Bruno???
Mason Stewart
No match, but...
Luke Hughes
Easton Ward
Gentle loving and cuddling, user.
Brody Powell
finger in the bum
James Adams
It's a shame people keep forgetting that Samus is meant to be like 6'4" and fucking BUILT.
David Reyes
That’s never been that concrete even accounting for that one thing it’s from.
Colton Turner
What if she’s like a black belt or something and you never win? Would it go back to mid-tier?
Parker Torres
Maybe we'll get lucky and Prime 4 will take her Ultimate build and run with it.
Carson Richardson
Brody Lee
Kayden Anderson
user, that's only canon in one single piece of american art and that's all.
Outside of the suit she looks like a normal sized woman in the origiinal game.
Face it.
Your swole huge amazon shlick fantasy is some dude who never even read anyrthing about Metroid or Samus making his own personal OC donut steel.
It's like....the megaman off of the box of the first megaman game.
Carter Ward
I'd say the height at least is canon. She looked pretty damn tall in Hero's reveal trailer.
Anthony Walker
>normal sized woman in the origiinal game.
I mean... you literally don't have anything to put her beside for a sense of perspective. The game doesn't provide us with "a normal sized human" to stand her next to for comparison.
Liam Martin
Brandon Ward
Oh fuck, the scale just killed itself