Why are superpowers in cape comics so boring and unoriginal?

I'm not even saying that the powers should be completely original, even having more unconventional combinations of powers would be interesting. I didn't really know anything about Carol Danvers until the Captain Marvel movie was announced and from what I read she's got durability, flight, strength and nondescript DBZ energy blasts. Basically Iron Man without needing a suit. I've seen Kamala Khan as Ms. Marvel, and her powers are basically just another size-changing/stretchy hero like Mr. Fantastic. I thought she had some energy powers too, but I guess she just glows sometimes when using her powers.

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probably because the most iconic superheros where created a shit ton of years ago and everything you like today heavily borrows frrom them.
Also when they try to introduce new heroes with wierder powers people go what the shit is this? i dont like it

People like Venom despite being Spider-Man powers plus a few more granted by wearing alien slime. Nobody's ever really complained about him being too weird or complex. (aside from origin story stuff)

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They're not, the simple ones tend to be more popular.
Shit, you posted a Spider-Man ripoff, a mess yourself.

Venom was made decades ago and was very much a lightning in a bottle compared to everything else introduced at the time.
Superheroes have pretty much ran the whole gamut of powers.

"go Yea Forumsway"

>JoJo powers are so original and creative
>So here’s this guy that can’t be hurt by anything ever
Take you Nip cancer back to your containment board.

Yeah, Venom was made decades ago. And was an original idea. My problem is that western comics have seemingly given-up on being original, as if everything has been done, so they don't bother trying anymore.

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He's literally just Spider-Man with different minor traits (suit is goopy and alive, different weaknesses).

>So here’s this guy that can’t be hurt by anything ever
You're confusing Jojo with One-Punch Man.

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Everything HAS been done.

And can shapeshift into clothes and other things or even turn invisible.

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Characters with powers vaguely defined as "magic" seemingly allowing them to do whatever the plot demands of them doesn't count.

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Yes, the suit is living good, thank you for the redundancy.
He's just Spider-Man with a gimmick...that used to be Spider-Man's gimmick for a short time. He's not really any more noteworthy in terms of creativity than Robbie Reyes or Mettle. Nothing changed. New characters just don't develop huge fandoms because comics aren't popular anymore.

Ah yes I too enjoy highschoolers having quirks who go to a school to learn how to use them, manga is so much better than western superheroes, PLUS ULTRA!

>Counter example is a character nearly as old as Venom.

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*living goop

Well with Jojo (at least with stands) battles are more of a puzzle to solve with high stakes than action itself so maybe it's not that suitable for action comics.

I'd rather generic powers used entertainingly then unique powers given episode long explanations and screaming.

But I doubt you've seen a character in a western comic with powers quite like hers.

What are her powers?

>its a "manga vs western comics" thread on the (western) comics board

If only we had some sort of anime and manga board on this webzone

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Araki specifically developed Hamon and Stands so he could depict things that are only possible in manga. He talked specifically about how punching through the frog without hurting it was a kinetic illustration only possible in manga, and he invented stands to visualize impossible physics such as time and force of nature manipulation
Read his book, user

I've yet to see a character like Flex Mentallo, Negative Man, or AVM Man in manga. Closest is Kira from Jojo to Negative Man, but given that Araki reads western comics and Doom Patrol was a big deal when DiU was in publication that's not a coincidence.

It goes both ways, faggot. The creative stuff is less likely to hit off these days and is rarely recognized until years later. Stop tossing stones in your glass house. PS, One Piece went to shit a decade ago, fuck Jump.

Take Giorno in Part 5. His power is to turn inanimate objects into living things. Early on there's also a thing of any harm done to something he brings to life is dealt back to the perpetrator. The entire series he barely makes anything with it once he finds his use as team medic. The closest I can think of in cape comics is B'wana Beast, which is almost too situational to be terribly interesting.

It's right in the pic. She can grow parts of her body from any surface. She has 3 extra arms in that pic, it's not a motion-blur thing.

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>She can grow parts of her body from any surface.
So she's just a much, MUCH more limited Plastic Man?

Im a pleb so I havent read much, but Neil Gaiman is one of the few I can name who is concerned specifically with characterizing emotions and mythological forces to tell philosophical stories. Others do it too, but Gaiman is much more willing to write a setting thats almosy entirely ethereal and with higher abstraction

jump off a ledge

>Closest is Kira from Jojo to Negative Man, but given that Araki reads western comics and Doom Patrol was a big deal when DiU was in publication that's not a coincidence.
I always thought of Killer Queen as being like Gambit. Aside from blowing stuff up Negative Man's "soul-self" being basically just astral projection, something nearly every stand does.

It's not limited to growing them on herself.

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Not them but no, she's more like Multiplex mixed with The Spot.

>Flex Mentallo
That's just magic. It's no different than Dr. Strange levels of doing whatever the plot demands of him.

What powers does Jojo have?

Something I've noticed in anime and manga is the tendency to make powers really hyper-specific. Like, take Fire Force for example. That's a show filled with what would be fire benders. But instead of everyone having the same overall pyrokinesis, maybe with some variation in skill and stuff, everyone has a very specific fire-related technique that they can do and nothing else. One guy has rocket feet, another has a plasma sword... etc. It's like in anime, everyone has this one specific thing that they can do and they take it to the absolute extreme and push the limits of that one technique.

Apart of me doesn't like the concept of limiting them down to the one technique instead of the wider range of the power, but its an interesting thing nonetheless.

There's nothing wrong with a generic boring power as long as it's used creatively

It's more about execution than discrete powers. The range and occasional unintended activation based on context is a big part of the parallel. Like I said it's not 1:1 because Araki isn't a total plagiarist.

Thst's not complex at all

I said weird, not complex.

If Spidey can take spirit photos with his web, then sure.

power of friendship is not a superpower

By that rationale Stands, Devil Fruits, Naruto's Ninjutsu, and most other shonen manga powers are also just magic. Flex's bullshit is more specific than mere plot convenience, it's just really busted.

Joseph needs tech to make those (not necessarily a camera) and Peter uses his powers to take perfect pics.

Joseph is literally magic Spider-Man in Part 3, just with an Indy motif. Don't be an asshole, it's a very intentional homage.

But how often are powers used creatively? More often than not things turn into matches of seeing whoever can hit harder.

It varies from Jojo to Jojo.

I think you're exaggerating a bit, but part of the appeal of the more specific powers is the limited use requires more creativity to use, usually taking advantage of the environment around them.

>I think you're exaggerating a bit, but part of the appeal of the more specific powers is the limited use requires more creativity to use, usually taking advantage of the environment around them.
Overall, I just like when there are no limits and the characters can get stronger and stronger to an absurd degree and break the laws of physics and the fabric of space-time with pure determination and willpower. Probably because that's what I want to be capable of in real life or something, instead of constantly being told that there are some things you can't ever do and stuff. I'd rather believe that anything is possible if you just try hard enough.

>It varies from Jojo to Jojo.
I was just kinda asking in general.

The power of friendship is like a magical force created from the bond you share with your friends. So their strength becomes your strength, and it multiplies itself, creating something greater than the sum of its parts.

It's a very esoteric concept.

>punch an object, but transfer the kinetic energy through it to the other side without harming it
>perfect control of bodily fluids, leading to freezing of oponents by grabbing them and setting your body to a solute zero, or hyperpressurizing eyeball fluid to create diamond cutter laser eye beams
>stiffen and pressurize objects using human kinectic energy
>can kill others by committing suicide
>can shoot bullet then move the location of the bulletholes like a lser pointer to sloce through targets - later develops spinning bullet holes that suck the target in and allow them to teleport between bullet holes
>when activated, any matter below the user loses density and people fall through the floor like water
>when activated, all fictional characters in the world become real
>can step on raindrops and climb them like stepping stones
>when you learn a chosen piece of information, you blow up
Thats just some. Plenty have Western equivalents but Jojo is cool for this stuff

I'll admit I don't know shit about Naruto or Flex Mentallo, but Wikipedia says his powers are "flexing muscles can alter reality" and that he once was "able to transform the Pentagon into a circular building for a brief moment". Compared to eating a fruit that gives you stretchy powers like Mr. Fantastic, or stopping time for a few seconds, warping-reality is just magic.

>More often than not things turn into matches of seeing whoever can hit harder.
That's a matter of schedules, productions, the companies involved, rights, and popularity, not creativity. Superhero comics are far more niche than shonen manga, creators get less of a cut and less of a say, and since the process is divided there's less room for perfectionism. We even see this in action with things like All New Ghost Rider, which was terribly creative visually and conceptually...but got fucked by scheduling and staff changes and executive meddling.

Each part of the comic has a different protagonist with a different power. They all seem to have varying levels of super strength and super speed.
Cujo Jotaro can stop time briefly.
Josuke can fix things by touching them, but can't heal himself.
Giorno can transform inanimate objects into living things.
Jolyne can unravel her body into string.

>It's shit, but I've got an excuse.

It's something bad mangaka copy to both stop readers from asking "why didn't x do y" and to compartmentalize characters. You'll notice protags rarely get restrained like this. It can be done well, but it's often a crutch rather than a self-imposed limitation.

Also Ohkubo is a hack who just copies other creators and has no personal skill with writing and design. Soul Eater got insanely lucky because he took the right elements from Arakawa, Bones gave him a template to improve his work, and the disparate elements actually came together well for a short time through coincidence. His comics are generally garbage and Fire Force is no exception.

>can open people's bodies and read them like pages of a comic book, which shows their autobiography of what they have done and what they will do, and you can edit the comic to change their fate and behavior
>has a magical comic book that shoes the future
>character has a punch that makes you 'instantly meet your fate, forever'.
>character can escape into the ghosts of past buildings and incidents - hides in an invisible underground crashed plane the main characters have trouble finding and escaping from becaus it is in the afterlife
>can make sentient metal balloon animals by blowing into iron nails
>an inimate radio tower has superpowers and anyone who enters it cant leave until they trick someone else in
>they must escape a boat with a rapist orangutan on it, only to find out the boat was only an astral prohection from the orangutan

>can open people's bodies and read them like pages of a comic book, which shows their autobiography of what they have done and what they will do, and you can edit the comic to change their fate and behavior
Grant Morrison must be seething he didn't come up with this first.

>Acting like this is some us vs them thing

Please fuck off until you're an adult. I'm acknowledging that working under Disney and WB fucks creators over when it comes to execution with exceptions here and there. Japan isn't immune to this either, but it tends to harm the long term more than the short term. American independents tend to do fine, but they're very rarely viable fiscally. The market just isn't strong enough or pro-creator enough. That's also ignoring that we often cherrypick when we talk about manga. The market is fucking massive and most of it is horrendously bad. There's more quality content that comes from that industry partially because there's just so much more in terms of sheer volume.

on top of these first six Jojo's powers being a bit out there, the last two Jojos take the fucking cake in terms of batshit weird abilities (for MC stands anyway)
Johnny's powers consist of shooting his nails like bullets with the power of spinning shit, and on top of the bullet holes they leave can follow there target for a short time and still do damage if they manage to latch onto you. Later in the part he can do shit with wormholes to teleport his body to weird places and at the end of the part he can harness the power of infinity by having his horse run a certain way.

Gappy, the 8th Jojo, also has weird ass powers as during fights he primarily fights using bubbles that have the ability "Take something" from the environment and store them for however long he wants. this can be anything from the sound of a lightswitch, air from someone's lungs, his own voice, and even someone's eyesight

>A character with a psychic fishing line that allows him to fish for people through solid walls? That's dumb.

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I misread as man-eater lad

>>when activated, all fictional characters in the world become real
man, I would have so much sex

youtube.com/watch?v=ATwQfQaHr1k

90% of the U.S. doesn't watch anime or read mango

They beat him by drawing a new fictional character whose power is to beat every other fictional character instantly and also undo everything, save everyone, and kill the opponent. The protag of the fight draws this character as a stick figure in blood as he is bleeding out dying after being assaulted by the mouse and co outside of disneyland

[rainbow laser magic intensifies]

God I love how weird the 2nd half of part 6 was...

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>literally that powerlevel guy
Can he beat Mr. Rodgers in a bloodstained sweater?

I like how Pucci's motivation is to create a world where everyone understands their fate, because he had accidentally called the KKK to murder his sister as a child

>jojofags
>ponyfags
Who's worse?

anons that get irrationally angry that either group exists.

He’s accurate if he’s talking about Magenta Magenta

I read his books and what I get is a man who can't follow the own rules he set up
>Stand is a manifestation of your fighting spirit
Then explain this
>There is one stand that kills the users and another that only activates when the user dies

>More often than not things turn into matches of seeing whoever can hit harder.
Yeah but that's par for the course in fiction in general simply because it's easier to write. It effects everything from Superman to DBZ.

Those users are suicidal and vindictive cowards. Next question

That's a shame because Superman was originally a subversion of pulp action heroes. He was never intended to have enemies that could stand a slightest chance against him.

Sometimes you get an idiot that is suicidal or has a really bad perception of life. So you end up with a crappy stand. Also, forcibly awakening a stand can lead to unintended consequences where your stand actively tries to screw you. The entire reason for part 3 is because someone not suited for using a stand gets theirs awakened and they're dying from it.

>Araki says this peace loving woman can not have a stand
>But two babies defiantly can, one of them is even a killer
"Araki forgot" exists for a reason

Nico Robin is limited to growing body parts on places she can see, which is why I always liked when she did this. So often she just grows hands on shit to hit things.

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Oh yeah. I forgot about him.

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Some infants have a will to fight, and some adults don't. What's the contradiction? I think you're confusing fun characterization of an infant with a plot hole - Araki simply wrote a baby that would kill someone

The reason you make the powers specific is that by establishing rules, you create the room to create both tension and exploitation.

We will NEVER know what Superman can actually do, or how well he can do. Superman's power level swings all over the place, and he frequently will just get new powers handed to him out of the blue, most of which never get mentioned again. As a result, its hard to imagine putting Superman in a situation where he actually needs a clever solution to get out of it, because we are used to him being handed new solutions out of nothing.

Everyone's talking about Jojo, so lets talk about Bruno Bucciarati. Here is a guy whose power is 'can put zippers on anything'. Thats a power that sounds really fucking dumb, and in some ways it is. But its also really fucking USEFUL in indirect ways, like putting a zipper on a wall and unzipping it so you can step walk through the now open hole. Or zipping a dismembered hand back onto the arm. You establish a specific, questionably useful power and you build up the hyper-specific rules for it and how it works so that you can create situations that seem unwinnable and then brilliant (or somethings just insane) solutions that exploit those rules so that you can eek out a win and it feels like the character earned it rather than just got handed a situation-specific powerup so they could end the issue.

This doesn't always work out in practice, lazy writing or the writer taking a shortcut can undercut this trick a lot. But when it works, it really works.

>Yea Forumsco/'s bizzare adventure they called it
Own up to your own mistakes, you bastards can't just send your people to other boards.

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Babies have a instinct to try to live. It is primal. Holly lost this, due to her upbringing.

Does spiderman channel sun powers through his webs and are his webs capable of entangling spectral being?

Spider-Man also can't create a map by throwing a fist full of webbing at the ground. The comparison of Hermit Purple to Spider-Man is just retarded.

Right, so no contradiction. Also Holly is a sacrificial character whose only real priority is to support her family, so it would make sense if her power saps her own energy.
user is right that Araki doesnt necessarily dwell on or get back to everything, its just theres no contradiction between Holly's established frailty and Mannish Boy's established status as a evil genius baby

Idk. Who gives a shit about capeshit anyways?

I think capeshit suffers from the fact that almost all of these have to be some iconic vigilante in almosy any story. Sure there's plenty that escape that, but the sheer proportion of superheroes wearing the same clothes in different colors doing the identical remarkably specific job of patrolling the city streets for crime. We hardly even get superheroes helping out in the country unless its Superman visiting his parents. A completely blank sheet of paper, and all ninety-eight out of a hundred times the artist decides to render an image of a flying acrobat stopping street crime. What a shame

That motherfucker is scary as fuck. How many street-level super heroes would be able to keep their cool againist a fucker that can hook you by you mouth with an indestructable hook that goes through walls?

Shonen Jump's three content core themes are 'Friendship, Progress, and Victory'. At least that explains why their Shonen is a lot of the same

But user, Joseph Joestar is a alternate universe Peter Parker. Think about, look at the greater picture.

Not really. The only things they have in common are that they are american and quippy.

I don't think her stand did it, she was simply weak willed and there was a fucking psychic vampire tapped into her family's spiritual phone line.
Josuke was hurt by Dio's fuckery too but eventually developed Crazy Diamond.
If Holy were returned to, it wouldn't be surprising if she developed an actual stand but given her personality it'd probably wouldn't be suited for fighting and reflect her kind nature in some form.

he can just rip out your heart from half a train away, and even if he doesn't aim for your heart have fun trying to dig out that phantom fish hook from your arm. Only reason Bruno won is because his zippers hard countered him and he still damn near lost. Moral of the story, be careful who you call a mammoni

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Right, thats probably the case. Either way its no contradiction that an adult woman who lets her son call her a bitch would not be in control of her fighting spirit

AND he's an ugly pineapple retard with a serious face, which I always found funny

someone is about to have there heart ripped out

>Joseph Joestar is a alternate universe Donald Trump. Go ahead, name another rich and famous realtor. I'll wait.

>shoot a finger bullet at someone
>it misses and leaves a bullet hole in the wall
>they laugh at you
>you wave your finger gun to the side
>the bullet hole moves in tandem and slices the opponent in half
Why I read Jojo

>youtube.com/watch?v=vtMKQi7-XOg

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I always enjoyed the fact that pesci hard countered Secco, and is probably why the assassin team worked so hard to get pesci in and train him up despite his cowardice.

>implying Donald Trump likes foreign food and foreigners as much as Joseph

I fucking hate Jojo fans so goddamn much.

east vs west threads are cancer and against >>>/global/rules/3 and >>>Yea Forumsrules/1
OP is a faggot.
Do your part to help purge this board of subhumans like him by reporting this thread.
Here's a link so you don't have to scroll up to the top of the page.
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How about an American President whose power is that any harm that befalls him, instead occurs to a member of a third-world country, leaving him safe

Ion Fury Fag, shouldt you be at Yea Forums ruining another hyped game?

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Its not a versus thread, and you've got no sane reason to be against it but kneejerk fanboyism and a warped sense of turf on a sequential art forum

For interesting powers in comics, I recommend "Chew"

Who's bullshit "No u" power would win, Valentine's or Giorno's?

In part 7, the US president has the power to swap places with other versions of him from other dimensions.

So, when he dies, he just swaps place with another version of hin.

Everytime I hear about JoJo it seems lamer. All flash, no substance, all powers, no heart.

Just a bunch of shitty edgelords playing 'my powers are better than yours forever.

Anime has a serious problem with power escalation in lieu of actual character growth.

That's how you end up with a thread like this, where anime fabs can't understand that the main draw for Spider-Man isn't his powerset.

It would depend on if GER could reset funny valentine taking things from other dimensions
if it couldn't then Valentine
if it could then I would say Giorno

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maybe you should watch it before saying all this garbage

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I kmow lol. In Part 7 in the final battle chapter 'Ticket to Ride', Valentine develops an ability that forces any harm on him to befall on someone outside America. They show a southern Asian man taking a bullet on Valentine's behalf on the other side of the world using this power. Johnny must evolve Tusk Act 4 to break this protective barrier, that's what that part is about

Careful with all that spite, friend. Its an art-focused shonen manga that depicts duels of logic in sequential art. No need to stress

Joseph was web swinging at the conclusion of part 3

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Daily reminder that all of these anti-Jojo, Transformers and other shit here at /m/ are being made by Mouseshits, the more threads like these continues up, more the faster the Disney garbage dies.

just notice the pattern, its always the samefags derailing.

I wish morrison could pay a homage to valentine in some way.
since he has contact with multiversal shit

By that logic Hierophant Green is also Spider-Man.

>even though these two people posted within less than a minute of each other they share the same opinion so they must be samefag hurr

Jojo is actually one of the few shonen manga that don't have major problems with power escalation due to the way it's structured. That's one of the main reasons it's been so successful for 30+ years now.

If Jojo's has power scaling issues then how come the current main plot is about two housemates competing for possession of a garden plant?

Read Steel Ball Run or fuck off.

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jojo and hxh are exception to the rule, most anime shit was energy blast or element powers.

Yea Forums is an anime site and Yea Forums was the first or one of the first boards ever created.

Let me guess, your next post is 'See??? They even defend the show when I attack it, these people are crazy!'

what do you think of this guy?

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Just because they’re not exactly alike, doesn’t make it not a reference

Nice. Makes me wonder how they beat him

Joseph uses it like spidermans webs eventually but it really is a lasso to go with his Indiana Jones look

>anons that get irrationally angry that either group exists.
Ah yes I forgot the centrist fag which is the most retarded of all.

Why should Yea Forums have to have these threads any more than Yea Forums? It would be on topic in either place. And if you don't like the thread you can hide or, hell, even report it.

>>Counter example is a character nearly as old as Venom.
Robin came out ten years after venom

cap starts to break free with his will power, so snatcher uses all his power on him, miles then venom blasts him.

She can grow any part of her body anywhere within a certain range. Also she can combine those body parts to mold into a giant version of themselves.

She can also fly with wings made of hands.

>But when it works, it really works.
Which in Jojo's case, only 0.00001% actually work and the other ones are just supremely retarded like your example.

Yeah man nothing more evil than someone who is capable of talking about JJBA AND Spider-Man, you fucking meme dolt

yaaaas venom blast

>bleh I don't like that one

Not the point.

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is there an anime character with powers like the brotherhood of dada?

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That guy's awesome and a geeat example of exotic Western abilities

>He doesn't like Sticky Fingers

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This really only applies, in JoJo, to the protagonist and main antagonist, whose powers by necessity become increasingly esoteric.

Is it so alien to people that fans of exotic ppwers will read both western and eastern work to find the best of both?

Any western comics with this feel?

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>be naturally retarded weeb
>never read a single comic book in his life
>probably never had an education either
>nigger dad finally scrounge up enough money from robbing liquor stores to get you your entertainment money
>buys jojo because "ayy dat cray cray shit" your weeaboo friends of gangbanging descent keep talking about
>see all the "le weird jojo power meme" like any other deluded jojofag on the internet
>boot up his watermelon-scented Asus laptop that his dad stole
>open up 4channel
>click Yea Forums
>click create thread
>"hurr durr why are superpowers in cape comics so boring and unoriginal?"
true story I cri everi time.

>Spider-Man also can't create a map by throwing a fist full of webbing at the ground.

The 60s cartoon spiderman probably could

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>Can fend off two swordsman while only moving one arm
what a chad

Just some stuff that is not dc or marvel

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>to get rid of multiple pages of exposition just to explain power
They still did this a lot.

Neat post user, but we didn't need your life story.

What's he doing?

I'll never forgive Araki for wasting such a cool power and good song

Chris please leave

>The best tortilla bowls

Not pedo stuff, surprisingly

Shit I just realized, did Araki predict the dimensional merge bullshit Chris has been spewing or did Chris just read Bohemian Rhapsody and delude himself into thinking it's real?

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wanted to post this

>Goddamn Japanese, I'll never forgive them for Pearl Harbor. (bangs Japanese woman)

Anybody that makes the concept of interest rates into an actually effective power gets a + in my book

>incredibly pissed at the japanese because your daughter married one and moved halfway across the world
>never get to see her, grandson barley even knows who you are
>so pissed that when you finally get to visit her in japan, you grab the first mildly attractive japanese girl you see and put her into a mating press for hours, knock her up, then nigerundayo
How could Joseph be so based, bros?

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JoJo is a special case though you cant really compare anything to it

>Chris, the former bastion of heterosexuality
>Ever reading a series who's main characters come in either the overly-buff or twink categories

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Damn, so it's the former? What the fuck hasn't Araki predicted? Did he sacrifice his memory in exchange for future sight or something?

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Because you aren't thinking about Sideways. Cute MC that comes with twins and a harem of MILFs are just a few of the added perks.

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Gone too soon

this is the best picture posted on this site today

ponyfags by a small margin and if you don't think otherwise you're new as fuck. jojofag animeonlies make me embarrassed to like the manga and means i never want to read youtube comment sections for any music ever but it's nowhere near the same level. not every person who likes jojo is a massive faggot, just the normies. meanwhile everyone who isn't a little girl that like ponyshit is an unbearable queer.

You're just talking about Funny Valentine from part 7 using Love Train.
That's literally a thing.

Maybe we'll get a porn comic of Derek butt ass naked and smashing every girl that was in the original series.

There's not really power creep except for Giorno in part 5 since his ability was so ill defined. Maybe the final battle of part 3 seems like that if you haven't read it but it's really not.
It's more about the "how will they get out of this situation?" Like many people are saying the puzzle and its solution is the real spectacle. 'What sort-of-bullshit stretch of the definition of their power will get them out of here?'
The anime is also shit, just read the manga.

They've been around longer together than apart.

>Does spiderman channel sun powers through his webs
Not normally but he has used them to conduct as well as smother heat/energy, so kinda.
>and are his webs capable of entangling spectral being?
Actually yes, he's been Captain Universe before and he fights Morlun.
>Spider-Man also can't create a map by throwing a fist full of webbing at the ground.
Yes he can. Have you people never read ASM?

I know, it's great

The Heavy Weather arc is so fucking weird, the explanation for the snails is dumb as shit but it's also intense and I couldn't stop.

There was a late 90s manga where the main characters would eat guns and then he could transform parts of his body to create the gun he just eat. It was call Eat Man or Eater or some shit.

>REEEE CENTRIST

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Pony fans were never as big a problem as the people who lost their shit at seeing them. Jojo fans aren't a problem they are just annoying when they genuinely think everything is referencing their show.

>2)Jojo powers are just random bullshit for fun spectacle
You mean like being bitten by a spider gives you a sixth sense, tactical telekinesis, super strenght and super speed?

Carol Danvers was created to be a supergirl rip off, that's why her powers are generic.

Honestly, it doesn't seem like combat is even the focus of that shit anymore. They punch each other to drive in some story or character narrative, not to make an interesting or creative battle in itself.

People still bitch and try to argue the spider should have given him webs.

>I've seen Kamala Khan as Ms. Marvel, and her powers are basically just another size-changing/stretchy hero like Mr. Fantastic. I thought she had some energy powers too, but I guess she just glows sometimes when using her powers.
She's a full shapeshifter. The writers simply refuse to do anything interesting with her powers because they don't want to balance her threats accordingly.

You mean like the time Dio punched a hole in his throat or the time he was almost necked by the Empress or magnet lady?

>Have you people never read ASM?
Most of Yea Forums can't read.

because you can only do so much with stuff like super strength, speed, and telekinesis. at least stuff like x-men have actual varied and interesting powers.
nigga anime/manga for the most part have way more interesting abilities and use them far more creatively. though to be fair those stories are usually in their own separate universes and dont interact with each other like comics

>2)Jojo powers are just random bullshit for fun spectacle
you mean how comics used to be before they were grim dark serious 24/7?

>though to be fair those stories are usually in their own separate universes and dont interact with each other like comics
good point, Western comics might have to keep things balanced across characters, across their respective brands.

Another aspect to consider is that a lot of these characters have existed for decades. Meaning a lot of them from the inception of the genre. And while "Leaping tall buildings in a single bound" was mindblowing in 1930's its been adopted and codified to well everyone by now.

That said, I do find that older superheroes really did have more interesting powers, and aesthetics, if only because comics publishers of the day were desperate to find their hook for an audience.

A lot of them did seem to follow the format of "Like Superman but..." for example Captain Marvel was Like Superman but his secret Identity was a kid.

Others seemed to have some pretty narrow abilities. Can't remember his name but there was some guy who's gimmick was that he had a telepathic bond with a single bee, and they solve crimes.

But yeah otherwise it can get pretty bonkers at least as far as costuming. pic related is basically arthurian gigantor vs nazis.

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A lot of anime falls into the issue of having interesting powers that either get sidelined or simplified to be bullshit power level fights.
Like Yuyu Hakusho, not the MOST creative but there was some effort with mixing things up while Yusuke was the basic power set of punching hard and shooting energy beams. Then in the end he became basically the strongest thing allowed to legally be on Earth. So for the next arc they decide to start giving enemies more cerebral and esoteric powersets until in the end they say fuck it and make him fight a guy who's just crazy evil Yusuke. And then he wins by going full demon.
Followed by another arc of just getting stronger and punching harder but not being particularly clever about it.
And best boy just gave up being savior of the world to study for college and doesn't even care that he wasn't there.