What went wrong?

What went wrong?

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Doing the opposite still counts as a response.

Nothing. You just don't follow comics and would rather shitpost about em.

Marvel decided to act like people who don't actually read or care much about comics are their actual readers.
So now only sjws and feminists get their wishes while more and more readers decided to move on.

Readers got stupider and doing what they think is good became narrative suicide.

they hired a bunch of fanboys and it turned into a wankfest. then, they hired a bunch of sjw's. now we're back to fanboys.

This, readers fucking love Batman who laughs

Too many people stealing comics via the internet to cover the cost of good artist and story writers

This, you don’t even have to follow comics to see how they can never ever cater to their “readers” as if it’s a singular entity

They have never ever done that. Just a peek at the letters column of old comics should tell you enough

Disillusioned veterans who are creatively bankrupt.
Infiltration by regressive ideologues.

Easier to respond to fan feedback when only like 10 people a week care enough to write into you. Once the audience grew significantly then the decisions started having proportionately more weight, where before they were just doing whatever they felt like month to month regardless of potential continuity errors and mistakes.

Too many people in positions of influence bought into the "they'll buy it no matter what" lie

>Easier to respond to fan feedback when only like 10 people a week care enough to write into you
Did they respond beyond a "oops sorry you didn't like it, hope you'll like the next issues!" though?

It must've ben hard to work under such strict guidelines and still make appealing comics.

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Twats who want to look good to soccer moms on The View by being "responsible", so mommy keeps buying toys and movie tickets. No one cares about the comics, so they shit all over those as long as they can still make movie, toy and Underoos cash.

They're in the business of publishing annual reports, not comics.

When the readers started becoming autistic manchildren pathologically afraid of any change whatsoever and who demand blood and grimdarkness, most writers wanted to stop appealing specifically to them.

Well, they did respond.. with a big fuck you.
Though, to be fair, there still are titles that I occasionally enjoy.

On a side note, what I've been thinking for some time, is why aren't the big 2 milking the current nostalgia wave that's been going on in every other media. I mean, get some of the oldies or newer people, sure, but I'd like them to imitate the old school art and some aspects of the writing back then. I'm not missing the tiresome narration and blunt dialogue, but there's still a lot of comfy elements to use.

And now I'm apparently rambling, but I wanna add that I don't mind the current politics in comics, but the writing has to be smarter. Every issue is presented and tackled in the exact same way, always, in every issue and title, so I'd just want them to think about new ways to present their message. Everyone following the same blueprint has made the comics mainly just boring and predictable, more than agonizing.
Hiring minorities, women and all that was supposed to give the characters and stories some unique, personal and authentic flare, but I don't see that. Also the art nowadays is usually horrendously lazy, but that's understandable since the sales are what they are. Also people seemingly can't ink anymore or recognize the value of good line work. I mean, shit art can transform completely when you know your way with the ink brush, digital or otherwise.

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Self inserts of hardcore socially liberal writers who have zero respect for established characters.

Because 1) comics have sold on nostalgia already for like 20+ years at least and 2) the blue ocean of comics is people coming from movies who have no nostalgia for these characters and stories

I chalk up lack of creativity to the usual retarded editors, but also that blue ocean makes the desire for the general direction to stay close to the movies and he as newcomer friendly and simplistic as possible. Plus most people now with actual talent or interesting things to say don't bother working at the big two

So basically the same as 70's Marvel

I feel at least in the 70’s those were hardcore fan boys who got a chance to work and run their favorite characters. At Marvel only Ewing on Hulk has had that same effect.

That's true and it's why the current comics don't appeal to me as much.
I think there's a couple more like that, like Zdarsky's Invaders/Spider-Man Life Story/Daredevil, Waid's Doctor Strange, and Slott's FF, but YMMV very much on their actual quality.

I'd be more happy about the newcomer-friendly direction if they were pulling a lot of good talent to do this stuff, at least. But most of it feels very churned out by workhorse writers.

this is the truth. the same people writing and running big 2 comics now are the same people who thought comics were silly nerd shit when they were younger. this is just a job to them. theyre catering to what they think of as the cool and righteous people and want to remove the association of comics w people they thing are subhuman deplorables etc.

none of the curret writers or editors besides the few like hickman, johns etc even like comics, the old fans, or the characters. its obvious. theyre so focused on "making it better" bc they never got it or gave a fuck in the first place

You know you can have not read comics as a kid without necessarily having outright hating them, right