Is there such a thing as a truly irredeemable Spider-man story? Peter's character alone redeems weak plots...

>However, you cannot have a poorly-wrtten Pete.
Dan Slott literally wrote Peter as a psycho idiot manchild that tried to kill Tony Stark and tried to stop Spock from helping a sick child.

He also lost the mega-company that SpOck made.

he's not wrong
ironlad in the mcu is probably the worst depiction of spidey to date
he's iron mans bitch; got his official superhero start from ironman, doesn't give a fuck about his secret identity, and isn't exactly responsible for his actions unless if told by daddy ironman

user, gwen stacey's importance to the spidreman mythos only exists in the minds of a few 50+ year old boomers in the comic industry.
Hell Green Goblin isn't that important to spiderman's mythos either. But we're being forced to believe he is.

Let's be honest.
If Green Goblin was dropped and Gwen Stacey retconned out of existence, Spiderman woudl be better off as a character.

They came out in pretty rapid succession and and we're shorter in each succession like slowly driving a nail in

>If Green Goblin was dropped and Gwen Stacey retconned out of existence, Spiderman woudl be better off as a character.

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Slott is a fucking imbecile and wanted to shit on spiderman so he could continue to push his embarassing oc donut steel spock.

This shit outright embarasses me and is a major reason why spiderman is DEAD to me as a character.

If we're talking about todays peter yes, but pre-omd no its valid character development and she was the first. Her death makes felicia's relationship better in the trying to hide from the world and MJs in trying to grow up together

What

If it's any consolation the first arc of Spencer's ASM deals with the way that Slott wrote Spider-Man, and SpOck's ongoing is miles better than anything Slott ever did.

slott HATES peter parker that's why he LITERALY KILLED peter as a character.

>Got his official superhero start from Tony
No he didn’t. He was helping people before he even met Tony. Tony just got him tied up in above street level superheroics
>Doesn’t give a fuck about his secret identity
Literally everyone in his supporting cast besides MJ found out about his secret identity by accident. Vulture figured it out on his own and it was Talos’ fault Mysterio found out
>isn't exactly responsible for his actions unless if told by daddy ironman
He’s a teenager who was given amazing tech from someone he looked up to. What teenager wouldn’t run a bit wild in that situation. Plus in Far From Home he does all he can to live up to his responsibility even when it clashes with what he wants and when he makes a mistake like he did, he does his damnedest to fix it

I never understood this about Slott. He loves Spider-Man, but somehow also hates Peter. Hates MJ. And has a raging hard on for Ock.

Fuck Quesadilla

>He loves Spider-Man, but somehow also hates Peter. Hates MJ
He's inverted early Aunt May.

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Ironically MCU Pete is OK, proving OP's point somewhat, but his movies' stories are irredeemable trash regardless, ultimately disproving OP's theory.

>hates MJ
I also hate Mary Jane but never NEVER would be able to do the shit that slott did it with her.
He hates her but it's obsessed with the idea that You as a reader should hate her too. (delusional behavior)
>he loves doc OK.
He's projecting in doc oc bro, superior spiderma is "slott" being "superior".

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the very fact that MCU Pete is at least OK proves his theory completely you obtuse faggot

the minute I see some fag say "iron boy" I immediately know to disregard they're opinion

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A bad story with a good Peter is just mediocre. Any story with a badly-written Peter is garbage.

Shouldn't you just hate Slott and not Parker? That's a mean case of nerd rage

That's why I call him Iron-Lad!

>Is there such a thing as a truly irredeemable Spider-man story?
Ultimate Peter just abandoning his great responsibility and fucking off.

To be honest, sin past isn't that bad.

Back in the day, nobody give a shit about gwen at this point.

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Peter's actually had multiple character arcs, some better than others. Really fucking wish he'd grow out of his no kill rule. He's like halfway there in that he's not worried about keeping everyone around him alive no matter how stupid trying to do so is.

user, spiderman hasn't been spiderman in nearly 20 goddamned years now.
Not in comics not in movies.
He's fucking dead to me.

The spiderman I grew up liking was in the Amazing spiderfriends, the 90's cartoon...some of it, and in the late 80's to mid 90's run.

I quite honestly gave up on my slavish devotion to spiderman as a character with the first fucking installment of maximum carnage.
That wasn't spiderman.
That wasn't good
That was the bad bloody painful assholery that I distanced myself from in the other comics.
I just gave up and picked up random spiderman comics after that. When the clone dumpsterfire and spiderman wasn't spiderman but a clone thing started I just shook my head and realized that I stopped just in time.
Hell the only reason I came back to comics and Yea Forums in the first place was because I heard about spiderman unmasking in the civil war debacle.
Then I started reading more comics and my love of comics was reignited.
Then OMD happened and it was snuffed out. Like my lust after pounding out the fat milf from next door.
I'm not even sure why i'm on Yea Forums right now.
A few things like the maker thing from ultimates and evil parallax as the fallen hero was good.
But I jsut don't have it in me anymore.

I'm not even a bitter old dick about it. I'm just heartbroken over how bad and grossly fucked up the big two are.

Slott is part of the talentless loser brigade that wants to leave their fucking mark on this sinking ship of a comic industry.
THey are petty bitter losers with nothing going for them except for their name and their false legacy.
And they are more then willing to throw beloved characters under the bus to do it.
Entire industry are people like slott and fresh out of "education" aka brainwashing LITTERAL FUCKING BRAINWASHING colleges shitting on the brand.

Sadly, those people are going to get the hot thick cock of realtiy slapping them in the face when they lose thier jobs.

>To be honest, sin past isn't that bad.

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There are tons of genuinely awful Spider-man stories.

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Oh look, here's someone who doesn't understand Spider-Man peddling a dipshit theory about how something he doesn't care about can't possibly be important.
Why don't you tell us how much you love superior or how organic webbing is superior, or how great the totems are while you're at it.

Gwen Stacey has not been important to spiderman as anything other then a mistake that most writers who aren't 60+ year old hacks give a fuck about.

That's it.
That's all.

Green Goblin?
He's fucking nothing and was only given slight importance by Bendis.
Really.

Name two good Green Goblin and Spiderman stories.
Like character defining battles or story arcs.
I'm serious.
The only good green goblin story with spiderman, something that defined and left peter parker shaken was when harry lost his mind and went full green goblin and the neck snap.
Outside of that.
What did GG EVER bring to the table?

when Doc Ock took over Peter's body, the small fraction of Peter's original consciousness was left active and he tried to stop Ock from performing a surgery on a sick child's brain because Ock could test a device for checking brain waves or some shit and find him out.

You have to admit you literally disprove yourself in your own argument

>Green Goblin was never great
>Except Harry that shit was cash

Besides he had a few good rows with pete back in the Ditko comics. The fight in the cave was solid and the development with Harry as his own green goblin was perfect in the 80s. Oh yeah and it gave us spider-man blue which is the best mini spider-man has ever had

>Name two good Green Goblin and Spiderman stories.
>Like character defining battles or story arcs.
The Night Gwen Stacy Died and everything involving Harry as the goblin.
Wow, that was fucking easy.

It's really isn't, the only problem with it it is the timeline and the kids.

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Sins past in its initially for could work as a spider-girl storyline but that's if they went with the initial plan of them being petes kids. SIns past should've been stopped by editorial but it wasn't and the attempt to fix it to keep peter young fucked everything

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>they're
how can you be so retarded?

Nothing about sins past is good.
Peter parkers bastard twin children with gwen stacey?
Who in gods name is that story for?

>Peter's character alone redeems weak plots, you cannot have a poorly-wrtten Pete.
Read some 90's Spider-Man. Or do not and continue to live in a better world. Spoiler alert: Peter Parker himself became a miserable no personality sod for quite some time. The downward spiral started when things went grimdark towards the end of the 80's but he, as a character, went to complete shit when his fake parent robots died and didn't recover for a long time. It took him being replaced by a clone (who was the real one all along but then wasn't) before Pete got some actual character back.
Ben and Miguel were the only good Spider-Men in 90's comics.

t. casual

Holy fuck you're even more pathetic and crazy than I expected, and I'm on Yea Forums

Peter had a few good moments while being a complete miserable fuck. Just a few.

It could have work as a jackal story considering he have feelings for her

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This whole thread is made of ass and shit but this picture is golden.

Superior.

>Peter's character alone redeems weak plots

One More Day took a big steaming "morning after having Indian food for dinner" shit all over Peter's character. Mr. "Great Power Great Responsibility" refuses to take responsibility for the tragedy wrought by his decision to unmask and sells his marriage to the literal Devil to undo it.

I don't need to prove fuck to you. I'm not playing the game where I pick out critically acclaimed Central stories to spider-man featuring Gwen and/or Goblin so you can say "no those suck".
You're a fucking retard, you sound like a retard, no one who ever really gives a shit about Spider-man will ever agree with your stupid raimitard opinion.
Gwen is important to the mythos, it reinforces Central fucking themes of the mythos, and you not getting it doesn't mean anything about Spider-man, it just shows how bad you are at understanding.

>He doesn't understand omd
Jesus man, it's not like it's a deep story.
Pete's not out of character in it. It's just a *bad story*.
>Yes Pete is out of character in it
Tell me what part of Peter Parker as a character wouldn't pay almost any price so that he wasn't responsible for not just Ben's death, but May's, too.
>But but muh unborn child
That was mephisto.
>But but MJ
She agreed.
>But but his soul
Souls are explicitly off the table in the agreement.
>But but let her go
Someone who says Pete *should* let May go is normal. Someone who think Pete *would* let May go, when he's arguably responsible, just absolutely does not get Spider-Man as a character.

I read the first two paragraphs and then stopped once reason was Gwen Stacy's.

I liked them, they were a product of their time.

The problem with OMD is the ten years of no MJ after. JMS made it very clear in the story that he didn't want to write that story, and he basically framed it as a testament to how powerful Peter/MJ are. Shit, that's even the whole reason why they go through with it in the first place, because they know they'll end up back together anyway.

FPBP

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He's had his share of bad stories over the years. If you're a big fan of the character that doesn't really matter. During the 90s or other down periods Spidey still sells all right and gets attention. For years on this site people complain about the direction of Spiderman and Batman, while still taking about them immensely. Story quality is less important than the appeal and attraction of the characters particularly the major ones.

>I read Spider-Man for 7 years and also like cartoons, please read my super long authoritative screed on why spider-man isn't Spider-Man if I, a cartoon lover and short term comic reader from 25 years ago, am not happy

I disagree with your take on Gwen and Norman. Osborne with Ellis T bolts and Bendis Dark Avengers is a better direction than any of the Spiderman stuff done with him since then.

The problem is it goes against mays character more than anything, there is no way she would’ve sacrificed her sons happiness for her life

>Is there such a thing as a truly irredeemable Spider-man story?
eveything related to miles and spider-gwen. since the basic message behind them is "fuck peter parker for being a white boy, he is cancelled, time to replace him with some diversity you nazi!"

Miles and Gwen are bad, but you're fucking retarded if you honestly believe what you said.

And if it was May's decision, that would mean something.

>timid bitch with no backbone
>OK
No. Fuck off, MCUfags.

One. More. Day.

I got into Spider-Man with the Sam Rami movies and the 90s show. Then in my tweens I watched Spectacular Spider-Man. Spider-Man to me has always been about Peter getting his shit kicked in by the villain or his life but Peter being morally incorruptible and always doing the right thing. That's why I despise most of Dan Slott's work and One More Day.

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Seriously? You don't see the blackwashing? How do you explain the Irish Redhead Holocaust in media?

Miles was originally a replacement for an AU Peter, same shit with Gwen. Now they're being pushed as 616 characters but they're still not replacements to Peter fucking Parker.

>Peter being morally incorruptible and always doing the right thing
Not always.

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True but I think something happened to May right?

Bitch are you fucking serious

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My bad thought it was a different issue sorry user. But likewise this usually because of outside forces like an alien parasite or his rock is shaken.

At the end of the day superhero comics are just soap operas for boys and having "secret kids" is par for the coarse and a simple way to create cheap drama. It was done ham handedly and it just shows you how little the writers and editors actual collaborate when working on the same character is probably right and he would've made a lot more sense as the villain for the arc to still allow gwen to be the "biological" mother to the kids without specifically ruining her (and MJ) in the way the story did

Miles and Gwen are a way to altering history of characters and give miles a "legitimacy" in his role as the third (fourth if we're adding Miguel) spiderman in canon. Its a short sighted decision that was made to basically drum up free advertising when fans bitch about it and everyone gets their panties in a twist about "oh you don't like Miles because he's black" you're supposed to either only like miles because he's black or not allowed to criticize stupid decisions writers made about him because he's black

Miles pre-Spider-Verse was boring.

>you're supposed to either only like miles because he's black or not allowed to criticize stupid decisions writers made about him because he's black
Yes, that's the reason why Miles is black, it has nothing to do with the fact that Bendis likes making characters for his daughters and to get those sweet royalties.

Is that why user? It has nothing to do with his sexual preferences that miles is black? I suppose having the first issue of jessica jones end with her getting fucked in the ass by luke cage a decision he also made for children to see.

>Is that why user?
Yes, the motherfucker himself said it.

And if it was just for royalties why use gwen stacy? no one is getting any royalties there and he could've just paired him with a blonde haired blue eyed white woman of his own creating

Yes and I suppose Marv Wolfman paired Wonder girl up with terry long because it was a great character decision