I miss him

OG Sith from the EU

Bet he could handle that a lot better now.

Be awesome if he still has it and wears it to a Convention

Handle what?

Where's Malak and Sion? Maul and Dooku too.

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Sith... Lords?

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I dont have any images of Sith Lords user

So ill just post a regular Sith instead

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>Anakin canonically destroys the Sith for good at the end of ROTJ
>the ST's villains are just Sith with the serial numbers filed off

Who was in the wrong here, Yea Forums? Was Lucas wrong to put a permanent kibosh on the Sith? Or is Disney at fault for being incredibly derivative?

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EU at least acknowledged them as wannabe Sith that are rejected by holocrons of real Sith. For Snoke, its a distinction without a difference.

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Get of the holonet, Khem

See this is why if they wanted anothere Sith/jedi story they should've gone back, back to the past
Instead of fucking up the future

TOR would've worked better as an action combat MMO

Disney for being derivative, there was never any implication that just because Sidious and Vader died that all bad guys everywhere would just give up and go home. The old Jedi and old Sith destroyed each-other, leaving the galaxy without the two most powerful force using factions. The EU introduced a slew of other kinds of bad guys, some were good and others sucked, some were derived and others weren't, but Disney, infinite in it's laziness and Abrams and Johnson, infinite in their incompetence just straight up copy-pasted Sheev, gave him an ugly butthole face and when the audience expected Snoke's existence to be somehow explained or justified in any way he just dies with the same level of handwaving nonchalance with which he was introduced.

I think it honestly would have been much more interesting if he had just been a normal non space wizard guy, just some shitbag politician or planetary governor who took advantage of the lack of leadership left after RotJ to seize power for himself. He and a group of hyper wealthy and powerful beings decide that they're well situated to steal the New Republic's nominal victory right out from under them. They found the first order and construct it's zealous beliefs from the ground up, the whole thing is a sham for the purpose of control. Something like that would have been interesting, what we got was just "hurr, Empire but BIGGERER"

The First Order is the biggest joke faction I've ever seen in my entire life
>I-It's the Empire BUT BIGGER!
>It's the Death Star BUT BIGGER!
>It's the Emperor BUT BIGGER (Literally)
The Not-Rebellion is even worse.

I miss them.

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found out that thrawne was always loyal to his people. i respect him more.

Square Enix should make a Star Wars game.

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When I first saw TFA I was actually kind of excited at the idea that Snoke was genuinely as big as his hologram. Pretty much all the sapient aliens in Star Wars are human sized, give or take a few feet taller or shorter. A giant alien would have been interesting. Plus, unconventional Force users are neat in general, like Master Thon of Ambria from Tales of the Jedi.

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I don't miss them.

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>The Not-Rebellion is even worse.
I don't understand how anyone thought that it was a good idea to make them the most incompetent faction.

Dumb. He pushes down after he blocks his swing, slowly overpowering her, so her solution is to let go with one hand? Because we all know you can't use the force without waving your hand around. And why is he fighting with only one hand, when he's clearly trying to overpower her with brute strength? I think the animator was just trying to ape Darth Vader's fighting style, not realizing why Vader has that fighting style in the first place. Then again I don't know anything about these characters, maybe he's deliberately mimicking Vader. That still doesn't justify what the chick is doing though.

>he doesn't understand initial impact vs holding a still thing
>he thinks much of that matters when lightsabers automatically cut right through people, without the need for much strength, so speed is better once you have the minimum strength to handle a lightsaber

>Because we all know you can't use the force without waving your hand around.
Most Jedi find it so more intuitive to wave their hands, even during a battle, that even highly experienced masters like Yoda and Sidious constantly use gestures.

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1. Let's be honest, the reason they wave their hands on screen is so the audience knows who's doing what.

2. That's dumb.

Sorry I'm just still jaded by the memory of that one episode of Heroes where a SWAT team restrains a telekinetic serial killer by grabbing his main hand with a tether thing so he can't throw them around with his telekinesis... and it works.

The Chosen One plot point was always a stupid retcon that enriched nothing, and the dissolution of the Sith always felt like a kind of thin technicality. The Dark Side is a threat for as long as people have the capacity to be impulsive and selfish; the Sith didn't have a monopoly over it.

It was easier to ignore when RotJ was the end of the story, but it was always a stupid idea with or without the ST or the EU moving beyond RotJ.

His games were cool, but as a character he wasn't worth much.

I thought that shit was literally Snoke when his HOLOGRAM... WAS IN THE SHADOWS

>1. Let's be honest, the reason they wave their hands on screen is so the audience knows who's doing what.
>2. That's dumb.

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>Kiera is a force centrist that wants to destroy the force because both the Sith and Jedi are bad
>but then she's also totally just a Sith
what the fuck

Ilu

But have you heard of the weakest and most entitled of Sith lords? Darth Millennial

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I like how characters who advocate "balance" always regard the Jedi as extremists and equate them to the Sith. Nevermind the Jedi being combination zen monks and pacifist samurai. No, they're just as bad as the techno-wizards who regularly throw murder-tantrums and who are literally powered by hatred and angst. No difference between those two, nosiree.

Nothing will ever be as stupid as
starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Andeddu
a guy whose backstory may as well have been copypasted out of an AD&D module and whose name is, I shit you not, pronounced like "Undead-Ooo!"

Honestly, TOR would have worked better as multiple separate games.

I'd pay for a full fucking Imperial Agent game with roughly the same story but improved combat to support the power gap you're supposed to feel as a non-force user versus force users and gun-play.

do you think Malgus and Satele ever got annoyed they kept running into eachother? Like just "Oh, fuck, you again?!" Or do you think they even recognized one another between encounters?

Shame Darth Jadus fucks off pretty early on even if you do side with him. Dude was pretty baller and creepy.

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>muscled
>healthy skin tone
>healthy hair
How can pasty emo and wrinkled sith even compete with this chad

But user, muh singleplayer don't sell

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Fuck that fact that we have gotten no memorable siths in the new movie fucking kills me just clowns written by assholes who don’t bother knowing the lore

I’m going through the bane books now, it’s great

It hurts to think people were actually paid to write the new movies

At least they do something. The story group said that stuff about canon being malleable in response to inconsistencies, so thos eguys do nothomg

It's not that single player doesn't sell.

just anything with EA's blighted stigma on it.

The Force isn't what's bad. The two dominant sects that claim to preside over the force are what's bad.

The 'dark' side of the force is about passion, but the sith are about the most perverse and singular facet of passion, such that to them passion = black, spikey edgelords, anger, angst and emo psychopaths with entitlement issues.

The 'light' side is dominated by a priesthood of self-glorifying vulcans who are so utterly weak and so chaste and uptight that the vaguest panic attack can turn them into young-ling slaying lunatics. They will either create college philosopher douche-bags with authority just given to them because 'lightsaber mysic', or highly strung, sheltered morons who are closer to going on a spree of self destruction than a gay kid at jesus camp.

Kreia's idea of nuking the whole country because the two political parties are kinda naff is stupid.

>implying the plan wasn't to make a suitable companion for Revan

Her plan wasn't to make a real-doll for space-jesus.

Kreia wanted the exile to understand what she learned the hard way about the force, that the flaws of the Sith and the Jedi teachings are what's causing the constant war and suffering in this universe. The Sith are flawed for obvious reasons and it really doesn't bear explaining. What Kreia is trying to make the Exile understand is that the Jedi are just as flawed as the Sith, just not for reasons as obvious as the Sith. The Jedi try to completely reject their emotions and ultimately that makes the Jedi order completely counterproductive. The insane anti-emotion nature of the Jedi dogma guarantees that Jedi will always fall to the dark side and the galaxy will be at war over and over again, forever. This is the primary cycle of this entire intellectual property, and it's the reason it's called Star Wars in the first place. Luke Skywalker was meant to be the first true synthesis of the dichotomies of light and dark and finally end the endless struggle but disney threw that idea out the fucking window to make more money.

Teaching the exile is Kreia's only true motivation in the game. She cared about the exile because she understood that the exile's decision to abandon the force and the Jedi after Malachor V made him capable of understanding what she desperately wanted to teach. That's why she manipulates certain events to force him into situations that make him question what is really right or wrong. That is also why she is unhappy if you kill the masters, because it's final proof you didn't understand what she was trying to teach you. What Kreia wants is ultimately a good thing, a true balancing of the force by correcting the mistakes present in the Jedi teachings.

>falling for the 'Kreia wants to destroy the Force' meme

Oh user. Did you even finish this game? She just says all that shit so that you chase her to Malachor V and fulfill your destiny. She doesn't truly give a shit about destroying the Force. She wants the Jedi and Sith that both betrayed her eliminated, to reset things back to tabula rasa and to allow you to complete your training by killing her and following Revan to face the True Sith in the Unknown Regions. The entire 'I want to destroy the Force' motivation is a ruse. She is a liar. She lies at every opportunity until the moment you stab a lightsaber through her heart.

>From the moment you awoke, I have used you. I have used you so that you might become strong, stronger than I. I used you to keep the Lords of the Sith from condemning the galaxy to death with their power unchecked. I used you to lure them to Telos, where they could be at last fought and killed. I used you to reveal Atris' corruption so that her teaching could be ended before it began. I used you to gather the Jedi so that they could be destroyed. And I used you to make those who wounded me reveal themselves, so they could be killed by the Republic.

>people still think her goal was destroy the Force
>people still don't realize that the entire thing was a massive ruse, that she was playing the villain as part of her motivation to wipe out the corrupt Jedi masters, eradicate the Sith and finish the Exile's training so she could finish what Revan started and head into the Unknown Regions to fight the True Sith

She says all of this explicitly.

>from the moment you awoke I have used you, used you so you might become stronger than I. I used your death to deceive the Sith, to make them believe they had won, so they would turn on each other. I used you to keep the lords of the Sith from condemning the galaxy to death with their power unchecked. I used you to lure them to Telos where they could be at last fought and killed. I used you to reveal Atris' corruption so her teaching could be ended before it began. I used you to gather the Jedi so they could be destroyed, and to make those who wounded me reveal themselves so they could be killed by the Republic... this place is your last test. The graveyard where you lost everything... I had hoped you would follow Revan's path.

Would user watch it?

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Fuck Kreia

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Is it pronounced "kun" or "koon"?

Is that from Allegiance?

That was the one thing in the TFA that peeked my interests only for it to be immediately smashed once I figured out it was just a hologram. It's like they were intentionally trying to mislead me into getting my hopes up for thinking there would be an original idea present in the film.

>Luke Skywalker was meant to be the first true synthesis of the dichotomies of light and dark
Not really. The whole point of the throne room scene is that he understands the Dark Side's temptation and rejects it. He's a Jedi, through and through.

I think Kreia's whole philosophy just muddied the waters. The whole narrative of the Jedi being just as bad as the Sith reeks of post-modern "all religions are equally bad" mindset. The Jedi have their problems—emotional detachment and arrogance being the main two—but that's nowhere near the level of atrocities the Sith have committed.

treason

He also rejects Obi and Yoda's orders to destroy Vader and appeals to his dad's familial attachment to turn him from the Emperor. That was the message: that family and love are greater than orders and masters.

Kreia is evil. That's why I kill her in every playthrough

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>The Jedi have their problems—emotional detachment and arrogance being the main two

>emotional detachment
That was never their problem. Attachment at all is a form of selfishness, I.E. greed. It's one thing to have a bond with someone (which the Jedi order did not at all reject), but an attachment is where the bond ceases to be mutual and is only about how the individual feels the relationship affects them. The Jedi Order forbidding attachment was, and always will be, one of the best things they ever decided. Anakin Skywalker is literally the poster child for why attachment is bad. He proved why that rule was essential for a Jedi Knight. They can't play favorites in regards to who they protect. They have to serve the greater good. The needs of the many are greater than the needs of the few, or the one. Anakin tried to serve the needs of the one (Padme, but only in relation to how she made him alone feel, so really he was serving himself) and wound up killing who he cared about and countless innocents paid for it in suffering or death.

Thank you, Jedi Jesus.

Hey Yea Forums how feesible is it to make two "trilogies" using three multi-part episodes of Clone Wars and Rebels? Meaning like three movie length segments of each series to be watched between my viewings of the prequels and treequels

I love how after EA said this God of War came out and completely annihilated their comment
Singleplayer games sell. Just not when they're from EA and especially when EA has bullshit projections on how much it HAS to sell

The First Order is imcompetent but I don't even know how the Resistance even made it so far to even become a niusance to them
The Rebellion was successful not just because it was competent but even before that it was because of their unconventional gurrilea tactics. The Resistance are just an entire faction filled with bumbling idiots that somehow made it to galactic news

What is this Mass Effect shit?

>OT: Empire and Rebellion try to outsmart each other
>ST: First Order and Resistance try to out-incompetence each other

Vrook was legit one of my favorite characters. He's a huge dick sometimes, but he's very true to the Jedi Code. Dude was literally willing to sacrifice his life to save dantooine. And he was totally right to distrust the Exile - s/he was being groomed by a Sith Lord

>He also rejects Obi and Yoda's orders to destroy Vader
He does, but he also has insight into Vader that Obi-Wan and Yoda never did and couldn't possibly have. This doesn't say anything about the Jedi Order or even Yoda and Obi-Wan as much as Luke coming into his own as a Jedi proper.

Another thing to consider is that they actually did know what he'd do and just said what they needed to push him into this outcome. Remember, those who join with the Force see past, present and future all at once. Yoda may not have been able to see it before he joined, but Obi-wan and Qui-gon sure did. They know everything that was, is and what will be in the universe all at once since time and space has no meaning/effect to those who reside within the Cosmic Force.

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God knows Bioware has tried to make KOTOR 3

He was based as fuck

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>"Welcome home"

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Did Vitiate ever took the title of "Darth"?

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I think so before he bailed to Zakuul

Yes, Marka Ragnos gave it to him.

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>don't know how to do anything but rebels vs empire
>shit, the rebels destroyed the empire in like a year and now they control the galaxy
>let's just make the New Republic pants on head retarded, and let me tell you, I mean RETARDED and blow it all up so the First Order can be a threat against the reb-I mean, resistance again

It burns my ass how fucking incompetent the FO is shown to be, how they have an entire weaponized PLANET destroyed, with what must have been hundreds of thousands or millions of personnel, high ranking experienced officers, decades of labor, and untold resources
But apparently just after having an event transpire that should have brought the First Order to their knees, they're apparently on the fucking verge of conquering the whole galaxy just a few hours later
It's so fucking nonsensical

>It burns my ass how fucking incompetent the FO is shown to be, how they have an entire weaponized PLANET destroyed, with what must have been hundreds of thousands or millions of personnel, high ranking experienced officers, decades of labor, and untold resources
>But apparently just after having an event transpire that should have brought the First Order to their knees

Not to mention just six hours later, in-universe, they lose their supreme leader AND their flagship practically at the same time.

>six hours later
Did TLJ take place six hours after the end of the previous movie?

Spiderman PS4 and many Nintendo games continue to disprove EA.

>It's one thing to have a bond with someone (which the Jedi order did not at all reject), but an attachment is where the bond ceases to be mutual and is only about how the individual feels the relationship affects them. The Jedi Order forbidding attachment was, and always will be, one of the best things they ever decided.

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no matter how the game turned out, i think everyone can agree that those trailers were hype af

i think it started around then but took place over the course of a couple days

>no sith bro to ravage the galaxy
Why i wake up every morning?

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The whole thing sounds like a really bad deviantart fanfiction that somehow made it to the big screen
>The FO is basically the Empire BUT BETTER (not really)
>Starkiller base is like the Death Star BUT IT'S NO MOON! IT'S A PLANET
>Resistance somehow (Because god damn are they imcompetent) manage to blow the FUCK out of an entire planet, killing millions, if not billions of personel
>Lmao but the FO is bigger than the Empire so losing that many people is one swoop is no big. It's not like that would affect them because they're so cool! (The loss of the Death Star not only messed with moral but was a HUGE blow to the Empire)
>Who needs a MASSIVE SYSTEM KILLING SUPERWEAPON WHIC PROBABLY COST A FUCKING FORTUNE anyways! The FO doesn't! And now they're somehow near total galactic conquest because that's how a GALACTIC CONQUEST works! See, the FO is much cooler and better than the Empire!
>Also even though the Resistance blew up SKB they're somehow only left with a handful of people because if the span of a few hours from TFA to TLJ apparently the FO just killed a fuckton of people offscreen
It's all so tiresome

A couple days. Maybe about a week
TLJ picks up right at the end of TFA when rey is giving Luke Anakin's yuengling slayer

You forgot your pic

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Let me get this straight, the New Republic fell a couple of days AFTER having taken down the Starkiller base?

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>Krayt being turned into a Krayt Dragon by Andeddu

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Yep. If you can wrap your head around it, basically:
>Starkiller Base was destroyed
>The New Republic basically fell apart and was also destroyed
>The Resistance was brought to about a handful of personnel
>The FO has almost achieved galactic conquest
>The FO lost their flagship
>The FO lost their Supreme Leader
All in the span of a couple hours

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How tight do you think Zannah was?

>dude art lmao ""character""

Like a vice

I just gave them the benefit of doubt and assumed that at least a couple of weeks went by between TFA and TLJ, this is fucking terrible.
Was it done to make the Resistance the underdogs again?

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The gag of Vader eventually getting sick of his shit and putting his mask on a lava flea was pretty funny tho come on

And I have a feeling it would be very rough.

I don't even know since the Resistance is just as incompetent as the FO
How ANY of them even somehow made headway. Even the New Republic is just pants-on-head retarded

Like she would like extremely rough sex.

The issue wasn't that 21 is a terrible fighter, it's that Rusty's lightsaber is utterly useless

It took the Empire almost twenty years to build the Death Star, but they were able to get the majority of a new one built in like what, 2 years?

That's the thing that I never understood. It's like the screenwriters wated ROTS and ANH and thought the time between them was a year and a half
The Death Star too 20 years to complete. The planning for it even began as far as the beginning of The Clone Wars and was basically one big secret
Starkiller Base is 10x bigger than the Death Star and not only that but was built INSIDE a planet and has the power to convert energy from the sun into some sort of super laser. And you want me to believe that to convert a PLANET from the inside out into Starkiller Base only took TWO YEARS?

If there's not an official answer I guess I've always assumed the Empire said to hell with attempts to keep it a secret that they had that kind of technology so they could dump all resources and manpower needed. Then you could also say Galen Erso wouldn't have been sabotaging things from the inside while this is going on and they would have had all the right ideas about how the systems and construction ought to be from a previous attempt rather than starting from scratch. And there's the opening scene showing Vader is breathing down their necks to get it built quickly
It is fucky still, yeah

I don't know how long it took for Starkiller to be built, only that it must have happened some time in the rough 30 years or so between ROTJ and TFA. What is indisputable, I refuse to even countenance an explanation, SUPREME BANTHA SHIT IS HOW. There's no goddamn way a group that grew out of a tiny remnant of the Empire living basically in exile in the UR could have done such a monumental task. Not unless they had a territory and population/resource base to rival the fucking Empire. I refuse. Just the matter of inventing that hyperspace laser bullshit should have been beyond them. It should have taken every scrap of metal they had available just to build that retard huge Star Dreadnought they used for their flagship, not having whole fleets, armies, and Starkiller to go along with

The hyperspace laser is the biggest bullshit I have ever seen and heard in my entire life. The Death Star, although huge, had to be close to a planet to blow it up into space dust
Hyperspace lasers is not only a dumb concept but just inventing that in a universe where it took 20+ years to not only discover the destruction capabilities of Kyber crystals but to harness their power into a laser capable of destroying planets is beyond comprehension

>Be awesome if he still has it and wears it to a Convention

He still does. Remember when he wore Jedi robes and teamed up with Brock to attack Monstroso? The Lightsaber was there on his belt.

>TotJ isn’t canon
>KotoR isn’t canon
>Porgs are

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Nice and practical. Why get rid of an ace prop.

>We lost the EU (Good and bad)
>For Porgs

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>Gave up Gilad for fucking space whales

>Ulic, you son of a Sith!