So who was in the wrong?

Disney. The new deal is absolutely terrible for Sony.
Tied for second.

Or that they knew this would blow up in Sony's face like it has. Now they probably won't settle for anything less that the full rights to spiderman

>109510193
They had no choice. They made a deal with James Cameron's production company Carolco to make a Spidey movie, which they were doing throughout the '90s. But then Carolco and Marvel went bankrupt around the same time. MGM was going to be the TV distributor of Carolco's Spidey movie, while Sony was going to be the home video distributor. One of them had to get the rights, so Sony gave James Bond back to MGM so they could get Spidey.

>would blow up in Sony's face like it has
>Disney has to basically scrap every plan they had for the MCU
wat

Disney for making shit spiderman movies.

>They had no choice
L O L
They wanted a quick and short sighted fix to their money problems. I have no sympathy for Marvel or what they did.

The people getting emotional over it

Disney wouldn't even be in this fucking mess if they didn't fucking force copyright extensions, Spider-Man would become public domain this year
Sony sucks shit at making movies but fucking Disney in the ass gets a thumbs up from me

My bias says Sony but my logic says Disney.

While I did enjoy the Raimi trilogy, Spider-Verse and like Venom as a guilty pleasure, it is true that Sony tends to bungle the Spider-Man franchise. I also don't want Disney ending up making Thor the de facto face of the MCU thanks to the mere fact that we'll get a total of 4 or 6 Thor movies, god forbid if they actually try it Carol. The only only posivitve influence it might have making sure the X-Men movie comes sooner. Disney's take on Spider-Man isn't perfect but at least them having some control over the character won't lead to sidelining the comic, like they did with X-Men and the FF.

Logically, yeah, Disney was in the wrong. You don't agree on a figure and then demand a cut ten times larger, of course they didn't get along.

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Yeah I forgot how Spiderman was so integral to phase 4

Fucking dumbass

Both are f7cking behaving like babies. I'm done with Capeflics.

Everyone

The fans for existing and letting this shit survive.

Wow, Phase 4 is going to be shittier than expected.

You for watching capeshit movies.

>old deal was that Sony funded the movies and Disney got a small cut from it on top of ALL revenue from toys and related merchandise
But that’s incorrect. The deal was that in exchange for Feige helping make Sony’s Spider-Man films, and Sony getting to use Marvel Studios characters, Disney would get the 5% and get Spider-Man for several crossover films. That was their interest in the deal, the merch sales were something they would have gotten anyway. Marvel has released no future plans for another Avengers movie. At the moment, the main interest Disney would have in helping Sony make another Spider-Man film would be to make some money off of it, otherwise why bother?

>Spider-Man would become public domain this year
That would just be the first published works though. Every year, more 60s Marvel comics would fall into the public domain, but newer characters, plot lines and suits would still be with Disney until their time came up as well.

can't wait for the sony cinematic universe attempt after those pathetic spider man movies

Helping is totally the wrong word. Disney just wanted Spidey back without having to buy him back.

No, that’s absolutely the right word. Nowhere is it said that Disney would get the rights back, only idiots like Joan Lee are saying that. Sony initially went to Marvel because they needed help. They needed Feige’s creative direction to get the franchise on track, or else they were going to have to continue the floundering ASM series, reboot AGAIN on their own, or let the rights revert and lose them forever. Disney would be aiding Sony by continuing to let them use the MCU elements that they take advantage of to sell their franchise to audiences who would otherwise be tired of seeing the same old solo Spider-Man elements.

>They needed Feige’s creative direction to get the franchise on track
The game and Spider-verse would happen anyway and make a lot of money, The last 4 spider-man movies made a lot of money with only the last one being weak but not even a straight up flop.

This deal is not helping and makes the profit they get with Spider-Man nearly nothing.

>For free
The offer was they would foot half of the bill user.

>Disney just wanted Spidey back without having to buy him back
They offered 4 billion him. Sony turned down the offer because they believed they could make three billion on a sinister 6 movie.

How the fuck is Sony in the wrong if they were happy with the deal and Disney was the one who ended it?

I'm still willing to bet some compromise will be struck. Sony relied on the MCU to catapult Spiderman's popularity after the fiasco with the Amazing series.

Maybe Disney will just make Peter Night Monkey.

They literally had to or they'd have gone bankrupt. Sony paid 7 million for Spider-Man and could've spent 22 million for all of them if they wanted to back then.

While Disney made a bad deal, Sony should have at least attempted to negotiate the deal to one that was more evenly fair rather than just taking their fire truck and going home

No one want to negotiate if the deal start as something so absurd. There is no way Disney honestly thought this deal would be approved at all and is clearly nothing more than an excuse to get out while making it look like Sony were the ones who betrayed the trust of the fandom.

Thank god Perlmutter was kicked out.
Heard Feige said Either he goes or I go
Perlmutter was out of control before feige finished his sentence.

The spiderman game and into the spiderverse only made money because of the push from spiderman in the MCU.

Without that, no one would have played the game, and into the spider verse would be given the thumbs up, but ultimately ignored by the audience.

>fuck over creators for decades
>help cause a speculator boom
>go bankrupt when the bubble bursts
>sell their creators’ IPs to save themselves
>decades later when the characters are profitable, they can’t get them back
divine justice

The deal they already had was fair, but Disney wanted more because they're greedy jews.

Disney.

>with only the last one being weak but not even a straight up flop.
Agree. It wasnt that bad and it was just a coincidence they started talking with Disney.

It would only be fair if Disney is getting something in exchange. Disney has released no plans for another crossover film. What should they expect from helping Sony integrate Spider-Man into their universe if not a bigger cut?

>It would only be fair if Disney is getting something in exchange
100% merhcandising and Sony finances the movies. That was the initial deal.

>It would only be fair if Disney is getting something in exchange.
They get ALL THE MERCHANDISE MONEY, that is more than what you get at the box office, noticed how they didn't offered Sony a slice of that pie in exchange of the box office?

FFS Co-Financing is literally splitting production costs.

I don't know what Disney asked for in terms of splitting profits, maybe it WAS high, but it wasn't 50% and it is very important to understand the difference between splitting financing and revenue.

Where do people keep getting "Disney wants 50% of profit" from? Co-financing isn't revenue it's production cost, people saw 50/50 and assumed profit. Disney only makes 5 Percent of first weekend earning, 5%

After all the leg work they done for this Spidey of course they asked for more, this is all on Sony pictures.

Disney started it by waving their big media dick around at Sony demanding more money for Spiderman since they thought they could hold the MCU hostage for more movie profits, but now everyone's mad at Sony for standing up to Disney's bullying because they're bitch crybabies who act like MCU is a sacred creation that needs to be preserved at all costs, including letting Disney fuck everyone in the ass. Sony did nothing wrong holding their ground since they rightfully own the film rights to Spiderman, and Disney shouldn't act like it's theirs just because of a shitty integration of him into their money pumping productions.

Nope, that wasn’t the deal. You guys don’t realize that the merchandising rights were already sold back to Disney. When you make a deal with someone, you have to offer them something that don’t already have, and no matter if Sony makes an independent Spider-Man movie or makes one with them, Disney will profit from merchandise sales. Sony would have to give Disney another reason to continue making movies with them, but Sony thinks they don’t need the MCU enough to justify the cost. We’ll see whether they’re right or not.

Won't take long for disney to go to the matts on this one.
The MCU is the only thing that Disney has that is a 100% money maker.
The attempts by ((them)) to go full queer pandering and whatever else with the MCU is falling flat on it's face in the court of public opinion and feige is apparently going along with it.

Spidey is going to be full on Shera and stevenuniverse tier queer gaslighting and compartmetnalization of peoples and selling them to the audience OR it's going to be a horrifying unwatchable flop.

No if ands or butts.

It is part of the deal. Disney wouldn't be making Spider-man merchandise without the movies.

>and no matter if Sony makes an independent Spider-Man movie or makes one with them, Disney will profit from merchandise sales. Sony would have to give Disney another reason to continue making movies with them
Merchandise is directly linked to how popular the franchise is, thanks to those movies you see things like MCdonalds selling Spider-Man toys, books about the movie at every library, kids buying MCU Spider-Man toys etc. You're naive if you think that Disney didn't got anything from those movies popularity, you're not even considering the fact Spider-Man at Civil War and Avengers 3 and 4 was a massive boost for them.

Disney for tampering with copyright law to the point this is a problem

Hopefully nobody ever hires you to make deals like this because you’re a fucking moron.

There isn't a right or wrong here. It's a complicated situation where two massive companies are trying to get as much money as they can.

Rent fucking free user

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me, for not leaving this place when I had the chance

>Captain Marvel and TLJ are SJW movies
>they both make a billion
>Sony makes Spidey SJW movies
>n-n-n-no those will surely flop because shut up!
lol

Yikes.

Movies are advertisment for the brand and shwag sales.
Captain Marvel toys are sitting on the shelves people ougtright hate CM in endgame and TFA and TLJ toys are STILL sitting on the shelves. So bad has Disney's bungling been that the entire fucking IP is now completely fucked.

Disney won't be able to internally write off another billion dollar pr stunt for shitty movies anymore.

Disney would be making Spider-Man merchandise even if there were NO movies, and they’ll make merchandise even if they don’t own the movies, because it will sell
>You're naive if you think that Disney didn't got anything from those movies popularity,
Read my comment again. Of course they’re getting something: something they would get anyway. If Sony makes a Spider-Man film that’s on par in terms of success with the ASM films, that’s tons of money. Money they get whether they strike another deal or not. They don’t need to accept a piddly 5% in return for their guidance on how to make the damn movie to get that.
Because I believe that you should negotiate for what helps you and understand that you need to benefit from a deal? Yeah man, only a moron would think that.

>Captain Marvel was a flop guys, Disney bought the tickets to hide it
Are we still on this?

It made less than Aquaman aka the biggest flop of the year so yeah it's a flop.

The way I see it, it was a flop in the same way the last jedi was, sure it made a fuck ton of money but the band itself just took a hit, add the fact that endgame got rid of some characters like iron man, and cap, there isn't that many characters left that are that interesting, spider man was one but they just lost him and the same kind of people who are elbow deep into social justice also fucking suck at making good media. I think it is slowly going to die, not the same death star wars is getting which started straight after the last Jedi, but a slow one. At least that's what I think will happen, might be wrong desu.

How is paying for half the production "for free"? It's literally half the cost of the movie, for half the profit. Technically it's a better rate since before it was 0% of the budget for 5% of the profit.

>Every year, more 60s Marvel comics would fall into the public domain
And that'd be great. The earlier stuff is the best for Spidey.

Post 90's Spidey has been a mess.

>It would only be fair if Disney is getting something in exchange
They were getting something. They wanted more. So Sony pulled out.

Fuck off Mouse shill.

>Captain Marvel and TLJ are SJW movies

TLJ completely killed any momentum the nu Star Wars series had. It single handedly killed that series going forward.

Let's hope Disney goes the same way.

>but now everyone's mad at Sony for standing up to Disney's bullying because they're bitch crybabies who act like MCU is a sacred creation that needs to be preserved at all costs, including letting Disney fuck everyone in the ass
I'll never understand this. Most the MCU Diehards probably hate rich people, so why are they so ardent defenders of the first real life cyberpunk corp that is Disney?

>not the same death star wars is getting which started straight after the last Jedi, but a slow one
I'm hoping somebody else gets it. I'd take Lucas back at this point, at least his plans for TFA seemed interesting.

Did you know we were going Darth Talon? Instead we got frumpy bitches who can't act. Star Wars went from thrilling space adventures with hot alien babes to a neutered wannabe MCU.

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Fuck Sony
U Can't Just Take Tom Holland After We've Fallen In Love With Him

Profit is worth a lot more than Production, brainlet.

You, for making another one of these fucking threads.

Someone explain to me in as unbiased a fashion as they can the simple facts of this.

5% in exchange for ensuring Sony doesn’t piss away the franchise is crumbs if there isn’t some kind of incentive in the form of Avengers films, and all the clues we’ve gotten are that the future of the MCU doesn’t look like that. Disney would have to be idiots to accept what Sony offered.

Nobody actually knows all the facts, that’s the problem. Sony’s statement doesn’t even confirm they thought Disney’s asking amount was too high, they went off about not having Feige as producer. We don’t even know for sure if either company made a counteroffer after the extreme starting positions, though there’s rumors that Sony did.

I guess I should have phrased that better:
What is this whole thing about? Sony had a deal with disney/marvel to produce a spiderman film and it fell through or something? Underperformed?

Reminder, Sony own the rights to over 900 characters related to Spider-Man. Disney are screwed.

>Disney only makes 5 Percent of first weekend earning, 5%
On movies entirely produced by Sony... And Sony gets nothing on Disney movies where Spider-man appears like Endgame even though they got the right to the character.

So far.
1. Disney was still expected to provide Feige and creative assistance even though they aren't planning on using Spidey in Phase 4 because no Avengers films.
2. Disney said they wanted 50/50 split instead of just 5 percent. Sony said no so Disney blocked any further MCU connection for the next film.
3. People are pissed at Disney for not just helping anyway because they get 100 percent of merch profits, even though that's something that was already a thing.

Bendis

if bendis never creates miles because muh donut steel royalty bux, sony never makes spider-verse, and they never feel emboldened after that was a hit to go out on their own

it's literally his fault

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Just a reminder the deal could have continued as usual but Disney would rather lose all the money than take less money. And they take a lot of money as it is. Sony didn't go to Disney begging to restructure it. Disney goes in swinging dicks and talking shits and Sony rightly said fuck off.

Just look at Venom and Spiderverse, no Disney involvement 10/10 movie with epic profits. The ground work has been laid. Spider-Man has never needed the MCU and Sony sure as shit don't need Disney. Disney will eventually come to their senses, because with all the changes they've made after Endgame, they sure as shit are going to need an anchor like Holland to keep people caring.

t. dumb phone poster

>2. Disney said they wanted 50/50 split instead of just 5 percent
was there a previous agreement or did they just want to renegotiate?

>dispute between companies
>find some way to drag Bendis into it
I know it's Bendis, but goddamn man give it a rest.

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Their old contract, which gave Disney 5% and opening day, expired. Sony wanted to renew old contract while Disney wanted to renegotiate

And like SM3, Sony once again interfering by replacing the writers of spider verse and even firing the guy who helped make it a visual spectacle, like that miles jumping off the skyscraper scene possible. Not defending Disney either by the way.

no the deal couldn't have continued, that's why they were negotiating to begin with. feige needed spidey in phase 4/5, and holland only has 1 more film

they were trying to extend. sony wanted feige to bring in venom to the MCU, feige was willing to, but alan horn/disney didn't want one of their lieutenants to produce another tentpole for a rival studio without a higher compensation, they started at 50-50, then went to 70-30 and sony still walked away

wait, what?

when did sony interfere/fire guys? id din't hear about that

Probably didn't hear about it because it got lost wit the whole, "Bendis is stepping away from writing Miles, new writer proclaims, "Bold and urban and darker take with Miles coming up" which got people excited but shrouded those bits of news.

When did Sony sign the contract with disney?

>Disney will eventually come to their senses, because with all the changes they've made after Endgame, they sure as shit are going to need an anchor like Holland to keep people caring.

I honestly don't think they care. They seem more interested in pushing their new tv platform with tv stuff and diversity points with new films rather than try to keep going for bigger and more crossovers and trying to top Endgame which they seem to know is unlikely.

If they absolutely need a white guy as the face of the franchise they can just use Wolverine if need be.

Smart move by Sony, they own all the cards here, and the simple fact is Disney don't. Oh well, enjoy a bunch of new shitty x-men movies. And Disney still could have renewed that old deal, they chose not to.

Both

>What is this whole thing about?
Money, what else? Sony and Marvel had a deal whereby Sony would be able to use MCU characters and elements in their 2 Spider-Man movies, and have Kevin Feige give them guidance on how to make superhero movies, and apparently gets some kind of flat license fee from Disney for Spider-Man to appear in MCU movies, in return for Disney receiving 5% of the money from any MCU Spider-Man movies, and getting to put Spider-Man in 3 Marvel Studios movies. In addition to this, Marvel already held the merchandising rights to Spider-Man from a previous deal. This deal is now expired, and in the course of trying to re-negotiate this deal, negotiations seem to have fallen through. Reports are saying that the new deal Disney wants is a co-financing agreement in which they fund spider-Man movies 50/50 with Sony, and split the proceeds of the movie 50/50 as well. Sony has not accepted this deal, and instead seems to have proposed something similar to the existing deal.

The problem is, they claimed they make these expanding storylines years in advanced, some claiming ten. When James Gunn was fired it threw a wrench in the whole thing hence why what was originally supposed to be GOTG3 in Phase 4 is now in Phase 5 which is a stinger to them in more ways than financially. Same about Spider-man, they REALLY were planning on him replacing Stark and not just a character arc in FFH. X-men and the like will not be on screen for at least another 3 to 4 years.

>On movies entirely produced by Sony
Kevin Feige was a producer on those movies. We’ve had countless threads on this over the year, talking about Feige’s notes to Sony and all the stupid stuff they would have done if it wasn’t for him.

Appreciate it, thanks.

>Where do people keep getting "Disney wants 50% of profit" from?
Financial illiteracy, that’s where.

>Amy and the rest of those tards actually wanted Peter to be into MED and a vegan because its the "in thing for the kids these days"
Those emails showed they don't have a fucking clue about this character, hence why those Amazing Spiderman films had Peter actually putting on that suit, not to do good, but for revenge.

>Co-financing isn't revenue it's production cost, people saw 50/50 and assumed profit.

Well, Disney could potentially be looking at a lot more than 50% profit. Profit is usually split by distribution territory in such arrangements, and Disney no doubt would have taken NA and China territories in production, even in "50-50" co-financing deal.

>Same about Spider-man, they REALLY were planning on him replacing Stark and not just a character arc in FFH. X-men and the like will not be on screen for at least another 3 to 4 years.

But neither was Peter. For all the talk of him being the new main face of the franchise he wasn't going to show in Phase 4 at all, and his next scheduled appearance was his next solo film.

That IS 3 to 4 years at which point by the time they might get around to needing a main face for crossover they'll have plenty of others to choose from.

Tony was soldified as the face of the franchise by being in Ironman 1 showing up in Hulk, then immediately being in Ironman 2 and then having characters introduced in his films have supporting roles in Thor and Captain America before being in Avengers one. He or someone associated with him was in every film of phase 1.

They're not going to do the same with Peter by shelving him for a few years while they play around with Shang Chi and the Eternals and give Strange and Panther new films.

Makes me wonder if all the talk around Peter being the new Tony Stark AKA the face of the franchise was Sony’s input, in order to try to solidify a place in the MCU and get a good deal out of Marvel. That’s just me in tinfoil hat mode though.

it's a smart move by disney too, why the fuck should feige produce ANOTHER franchise for sony for the same 5% fee?

the real problem is sony needs feige more than he needs spidey. long-term he's in much better shape, sony has demonstrated nothing in the ability to make a competent live-action spidey. and now that rothman is in charge it'll be worse.

some of you younger Yea Forumsmrades might not remember how he almost killed the x-men franchise. in fact one could argue he was the first domino that led to fox having an inconsistent franchise that led to disney buying it

This is why I don't really care what happens here, Disney wins we get more Iron Lad Homesomething. Sony wins, we get Rothman possibly messing things up like with the X-Men.

Disney never honored Stan Lee's legacy because he's a white man.

Our only hope is to push Congress for a shortening of corporate copyright terms so that The first year of Spider-Man stories enters the public domain sooner. Then anyone can make movies based on Spider-Man’s early stories and all the classic villains that were introduced with it.

are you such a brainlet that you don't realize that peter's arc with tony is over, and that he steps out of tony's shadow with happy on the plane?

1.Stan Lee took credit for stuff he at best only worked on, at worst stole credit for.

2.Stan Lee is as jewish as Kat Dennings huge perfectly shaped dear jesus christ I need to suckle on those beautiful tits Kazhar Milkers.

3.Disney honored no ones legacy. Not even Walt's. He'd burn down disneyland and world if he saw the den of faggotry and evil that it's become. And this is coming from a guy who has a picture of his dick stretching out the WAY too tight pussy and asshole of a Queer female to male transexual and is using it as blackmail to ensure blowjobs on demand.

Yeah, that's what you said after Homecoming was out

fuckin this, tony this tony that, tony is dead

You mean at least the first two. First year of Spider-Man is only Amazing Fantasy #15. Second year gets you Amazing Spider-Man #1-8.

besides the money, it was obvious sony wanted their spider-verse movies to be considered mcu and disney wasent having it

Ah shit, missed that.

This is why it's 100% justified to BLACK all red head Yea Forums characters

Not sure where you got that that has anything to do with these negotiations. That was an idea they had years ago with Venom. It never materialized, and Feige explicitly shot it down in later press releases.

makes sense to me, how many spiderman villan movies were they going to make without spiderman?

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Are you such a brainlet that you didn't notice how tied Far From Home is to Iron Man?

Not even MCU, for all the shit I give it they at least have one or two decent movies, Disney completely fucked up Star Wars desu.

also wtf does "we are grateful for his help and guidance and appreciate the path he has helped put us on, which we will continue." mean? sounds like we want the mcu fans to me

Most people don't know it because they assumed ASM started immediately after Amazing Fantasy, but it started like four or five months after.

But its not for free, is it retard?

Disney could just buy the rights back

if they were for sale they would

What makes you think that Sony would be willing to sell their billion dollar franchise?

I’ll tell you what it means: Feige helped them cast Tom Holland. Feige helped them find the director. Feige gave them tips on how to portray their hero, so they didn’t make the same mistakes as before. They are planning on attempting to continue the setup Feige gave them, and lessons they took from it in supposedly two more sequels to the current iteration. I believe that Sony thinks they got a good thing out of the deal as is, but that it would have diminishing returns to continue it at a higher price now that they think they’ve been set on the right path. The thing is, I think they’re wrong. Feige never taught them how to write a story that splits off from a shared universe and can no longer reference it. Nobody can tell them how to do that, it’s basically never been done, there’s no playbook. And to trust them to accomplish that is to trust fucking Sony Pictures to successfully pull off a trick that nobody’s done before. They’re screwed.

>Marvel's flagship character is not even owned by Marvel

This will never not be funny to me, how can you fuck up THIS BADLY?

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It’s funny, Sony probably thinks they have a billion-dollar franchise, when what they actually HAD was a billion dollar stake in a multi-billion dollar shared universe. If Sony tries to make a Spider-Man sequel to FFH on their own, it’s not going to make ASM money, people are going to boycott it.

Damn user, Sony should’ve just consulted you and sold their film rights to Disney

Marvel made so many bad decisions that it’s amazing to me that they even survived to the point that Feige saved them with the MCU and they were able to sell to Disney. What kept them afloat even, toy sales?

Both companies just should have compromised on more intermediate stake in the solo movies, is what should have happened.

If they don't reboot and try to make sequels with holland, god help us, its impossible to make decent movies like that
the scary thing is that they might try it thinking that they can cash out on the success of the mcu movies

Both shit at making animated movies. Both use platforms and paid e-celebs to shit on fans and manufacture numbers.

The reports I’ve read are that while Sony wants another 2 movies in this franchise, Tom’s only under contract for one more, and Watts isn’t actually signed on to do any more yet. So they’ve got some work to do if they even want to start the ball rolling on this without Disney. God I hope everybody comes to their senses on this, I’ve read, like, Forbes articles about how this could actually be great for Spider-Man and it’s not going to be. The current path they’re on will lead to an absolute shitshow.

are you so retarded that you don't realize FFH is the epilogue to endgame which in the MCU is the single biggest cataclysm to hit the planet and they had to address the fallout?

do you not realize the final swing in manhattan, is peter swinging by norman's penthouse and the flatiron bugle hq from raimi's trilogy, the 1st person from garfield's movies, then finally grand central station where the avengers battle took place? feige and webb deliberately waited for peter to "earn" swinging in the nyc skyline, and the next movie was going to be balls to the walls spidey unleashed in manhattan as his own hero, and as a face of the next phases going forward

now we get to see uncle ben die for the millionth time so i hope you dumb ironboyfags are happy

>Sony tells Disney to get fucked
>Disney dumps a bunch of bots on Twitter to try and pressure Sony into caving
twitter.com/Dataracer117/status/1164079850950397952?s=20
I'm sincerely willing to bet there's paid shills on here too.

I want this to kill the MCU. I'm so fucking tired of superhero movies. I was tired of them when Age of Ultron came out. Can we please just move onto the next fad? Or at the very least start making self-contained movies again? I don't want to have to watch twenty other movies just to understand half the dialogue and references in the new Wicked Wall movie.

People on Yea Forums are too obsessed with company identities and names. Half this site is mad just because it hurts disney, half the site is happy just because it hurts disney. Really I just wanted more connected universe movies, I dont give a fuck who gets paid for it. I had no idea what the profit share was before this deal broke and I have no interest in learning about it or arguing over which faceless corporation has the moral high ground. I just want to watch my fucking movies, and it sucks that something I liked ended.

Neither. It was just two companies making a gambit for what they thought was best. Personally, I thought it was a weird flex on Sony's part, given their recent track record (Spiderverse was a fluke, admit it), and they seem to fuck up and franchise they have that stats well.

The really stupidity is looking for morality here. No one was "right" or "wrong". Just working in their best interests. I hope when the dust settles, we still get some quality films.

If you're tired of super hero movies, stop watching them, faggot.

You're in a safe space user. Where did the mouse touch you?

Dat mouse D taste good boy?

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This is delusional and hilarious. My dude, Disney doesn't NEED bots or paid shills on fucking Yea Forums dot org. They have a massive following of loyal consumers as it is.

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We're coming for you Disney

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How much the mouse pay you?

>Disney doesn't have brainwashed masses shilling for free
How much is the mouse paying you?

one hundred BILLION dollars

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I was paid by Nintendo.

That all? HA!

I can triple that

Nintendo is another Disney in the making and I fucking hate them for it.

From what I heard Sony did give them the offer of 70-30 and Disney was like nope and that’s when Sony walked

Oh thank you user, that's so nice.

Who have they bought?

Disney is always wrong and furthermore disney must be destroyed.

Nintendo has a concentration of being Family Friendly just like Disney and they're making a theme park just like Disney to compete against Disney. They also already removed all personality from Mario to be an inoffensive mascot just like Mickey Mouse is just a mascot symbol.

Nintendo is Japanese Disney. It's just that their empire is in its infancy. But don't be fooled the general attitudes are still there and eerily familiar to Disney.

They've teamed up with Universal (whose owned by Comcast) and Microsoft is buddies with them.

Good luck with that, Disney is owned by Jews. They don't fail very easily as they OWN entertainment media entirely.

What personality did you think Mario used to have that he doesn't have now.

Walt is rolling in his grave. Jews running his company was his greatest fear

Shut up, Dobson.

Well I used to think Mario was sort of like the live action movie or the cartoon but Nintendo never gave him a personality in the games. Mickey Mouse at least went through a mischivious phase in the ancient shorts. Mario I guess never had a personality.

However, just like Mickey Mouse? When it comes to Mario people love Luigi and Bowser. No one cares about Mario. No one cares about Mickey compared to Goofy and Donald.

Even Minnie has a personality well some-what

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That's not quite the same thing, is it?

Honestly, the new shorts do better by both of them in that regard.

The only videogame personality I can think for Mario is he beating Yoshi for failing during Yoshi Safari and also punching Yoshi in Super Mario World even if you erase one of these moments Mario beats Yoshi in one of them. And before the Mario Bros series during one of the Donkey Kong games Mario is the villain who kidnaps the big ape to keep in his zoo. So I guess animal abuse is Mario's thing....though you need to really stretch things out.

Overall in the majority of the franchise Mario has no personality. Not being able to speak certainly doesn't help him.

SATAN TRIPS OF TRUTH

I don't think so, Mickey's deal is hyper exaggerated reactions for the sake of meme faces and I find this just plain old annoying and obnoxious like a bad attempt at being modern.

Well at least she's not Princess Peach that bimbo in canon main Mario games is nothing.....well until Odyssey where they revealed that Peach is an ungrateful cunt who Mario saves and she will never give him the time of day despite saving her useless ass.

From gaming? Amy Rose came out much better in the personality area. Very well rounded in terms of emotional expression like adoration, anger, sorrow, etc.

Amy Rose has called Peach an idiot in the Olympic games. She even looks at Mario and Bowser in pity.

>Mickey's deal is hyper exaggerated reactions for the sake of meme faces
I dunno, i think there's a lot of genuine humor in there, especially in the newer ones.

Official art by the way.

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