History of the Marvel Universe #2 Storytime

And these days, Mystique would kill her if she wasn't already dead.

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Finally cementing that Druid was the proto-Doctor Strange -- Hope they deal with his brief 90's incarnation who was burned to death in a dumpster

The High Evolutionary, they say his name right there.

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Wait, Mordo is that old? Just how long was he hanging out at the Ancient One's temple until Strange showed up?

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Finally someone remembered the original Patriot.

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I missed part 1. How far back did that cover?

Also just noticed... No Hickman Hydra retcon, huh?

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Up until Wolverine's appearance a hundred or so years ago (not his first one, just the chronologically accurate timeline), although that was after setting up all the primal era first.

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Beginning of time on. Framing story is Galactus telling Franklin everything before the universe turns off for the last time and Franklin becomes the next universe's Galactus.

Hey, this is the first time somebody acknowledged the existence of a Isaiah Bradley since 2012. Will Eli finally return too?

I really like this one page though, Bob Grayson and Blue Marvel, two of the "oldest" active heroes before the others.

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Last issue already talked about the Brotherhood of the Shield and the Spear, didn't it?

>Magneto and the Howling Commandos

Would be an interesting What If

Hah! No mutant retcon for you, X-fags.
Oh right, I forgot. They did get a mention.

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No mention of The 3-D man so far.

Original Groot! And the first appearance of Doctor Strange.

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>The First Line
Wow, somebody actually remembered that they exist.

Completely overlooks The Twelve

Second appearance of Logan in this History, but this time to harness him for the Weapon Plus program.

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OK, so Waid is going with the "Strange was around years before other superheroes" take that more modern writers have ignored.

This is a really interesting confirmation; That the 50's Avengers are actually canon. You'd think somebody might have a field day with Sabretooth and Kraven as avengers and the secrets Fury covered up there.

Yeah, I'm surprised most don't acknowledge how old he's actually supposed to be.

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There's tons of other WWII superheroes they didn't mention. The Twelve were completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things in the MU, so I can see why they were overlooked.

The sliding timescale at play: Frank Castle was now active during the Vietnam War.

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Now bring back Eli and dump Rayshaun.

The only thing that possibly connects The Twelve to anything else is Amadeus Cho having the nickname Mastermind Excello for a while.

And now, it's time for the Fantastic Four to make their entrance...
(Also, Donald Blake is still canon, folks)

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>Siancong War
This is a pretty big retcon. It doesn't just affect Frank Castle, but Tony Stark, James Rhodes, Ben Grimm and Reed Richards as well.
But it wouldn't surprise me if future writers ignore this and stick with "generic Middle-Eastern conflict" from the MCU.

That's it for this month, the next one it's where the F4 will get most of their spotlight.

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And now, time for the research material.

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At the very least since 1939, according to this.

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Thanks, OP!

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I guess they're ignoring the retcon in Red Skull: Evil Incarnate that Shmidt was an assassin posing as a bellhop, but he betrayed his allies to suck up to Hitler.

Vision here looking a lot like the Martian Manhunter.
The Twelve did get acknowledged in the research.

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It looks like Waid is going the original first meeting between Cap and Bucky instead of Brubaker's retcon.

I kind of wanna read more about these guys.

Jim Hammond burning Hitler to death is still canon (it did get mentioned in Invaders recently also)

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Blue Marvel here, one of the most recent retroactive retcons.

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Original Agents of Atlas coming into play.

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Suck on that, Deadpool.

well, thats at least something.

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Is that Bruce Timm's art for The Monster Hunters?

Now here's the actual acknowledgement regarding the change from Vietnam War to the Sin-Cong Conflict due to the sliding timescale. Check the note.
They're anything if not thorough, at least.

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And here's when both Rhodey and Frank enter the story, though as pointed out in the previous page, now in a later event.

That's it, folks.

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I wonder why Marvel: The Lost Generation is usually so ignored. This is the first time anyone has acknowledged this series since it ended, other than that time Ewing referenced Captain Hip.

I feel like they spelled Schmidt wrong...

Hah, they so did. Hopefully they'll catch this before the Treasury Edition.

This is the only time we see blazing skull. He doesnt even get a mention.
Waids slacking here but everything else he did good.

that's because its shit but Waids an autist so

>The Boy In The Striped Pajamas lived as Mags
it all makes sense now!

>no Puck
Tragic

Eli was mentioned in the first issue of Death's Head but didn't show up

of course Blake is still canon, what on Earth would make you think he wasn't?

No mention of the other pseudo-Skull(s)?

Wait, Wanda was born in the 50s?

I thought he was retconned in Aaron's run, not sure if I misread it. It's why I was surprised to see him mentioned again.

Also Powers of X #3 just dropped, but boy howdy I'm not doing that one. Somebody else do it.

Okay, so, this is just ignoring the sliding timescale, I guess...?

Blessed page. Most of those caped heroes aren't relevant or connected enough to the larger history to need a line, but it's good that they got acknowledgement. Even the Marvel Project was a little to light on them.

>acknowledging Alan Davis, Aaron and Parker in the same page
This feels almost bizarre considering how widely different in quality those runs were. Also Marvel Boy isn't explicitly from Uranus as that colony being the inspiration for the Kree to make Inhumans contradicts anything that came out during their recent push.

Why wouldn't it be? Bendis botchered Sabretooth's characterization but that story is needed to make sense of his NA and Bobbi getting superpowers.

I would love to read a series about the 1950s version of the Avengers.
Maybe she ages slower due to mutant/ magical shenanigans?

Yep, she was introduced in the 60s remembers?

And back then they thought their parents were WW2 heroes the Whizzer and Ms America, or later Magneto

Either way they somehow wound up at Mt Wundagore and the High Evolutionary did experiments on the twins, and apparently put them in suspended animation for years before letting them out

Everything in that page only confirms the sliding timescale, user -to the point that it makes it so that S.H.I.E.L.D. wasn't a thing during the 1960s-70s even if a lot of flashback stories with Fury are set during that time. This is basically "the decade before F4 #1".

The thing we should take from that page is less "Vietnam wasn't where it happened" but "Siancong war was DECADES long", allowing for any measure of leeway you need.

>Also Marvel Boy isn't explicitly from Uranus as that colony being the inspiration for the Kree to make Inhumans contradicts anything that came out during their recent push.
This story is still relevant for this retelling because of the timeline of the Uranian Eternals and the Quantum Bands, the previous issue acknowledged the "Untold Tales of the Marvel Universe" stories in the What Ifs. Though the colony itself wasn't brought up, admittedly: it goes straight to their creation in the island of Attilan and Tuk as the first Inhuman.
>"Siancong war was DECADES long"
Yeah, this is what actually makes the retcon work in a way that gives them an excuse to shift the date over the years if they need to.

I just jumped on, how did the previous issue resolve humans being uplifted repositories for the dying Elder Gods’ energies and Aaron saying humans are just Celestial vomit?

You are a hero OP, been wanting to read this! Thx

Like this. I wish it hadn't, but this took place right as the primordial gods were sprouting on Earth, according to the timeline: Gaia, Set, Oshtur, etc.
It's funny because a couple pages later the First Host arrives and does their experiments on the first humans to create Eternals and the Deviants, throwing this earlier insertion off balance.

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I'm just baffled. It's 2019; the timeline presented here would make Peter Parker in his 50s and Wanda Maximoff over 60.

If Steve was born in 1922, he'd have been born during the Roaring 20s, not the Great Depression

middle schoolers know this; c'mon editors

I think it was Waid's way of saying "corporate mandates that the huge stuff currently going on is pushed, but since it doesn't make sense and it's crap I'm going with the classic, established story for everything else". As it should be, Aaron should be fired from writing established universes ever.

TLG is full of good ideas weaved together according to continuity, but written in the most fanfiction-like way possible, it's unreadable.

Good, that was needlessly 'realistic' and just bordered on the army being in charge of anything Captain America, when Steve and Bucky's story works better as a sequence of lucky, unlikely events.

>it's unreadable.
Doesn't help that somebody had the "brilliant" idea of making the whole story take place in REVERSE chronological order.

>the timeline presented here would make Peter Parker in his 50s
Damn nigga, you dumb. Reread the comic book, this time with your brain on.
>and Wanda over 60
The twins being born around the 1950s (so that the Whizzer could realistically believe he was the father) and staying cryogenically frozen for decades has been canon for a long time.

Wonder if this make Theresa not his sister again. Granted it's implied in the comics she's born during the last mission where they die, and Peter looks like a toddler there so eh.

Odd. Irene Adler is a character from Sherlock Holmes, American if I recall. Has that always been Destiny's name?

Who is Eben Stafford? Is he from the retro SHIELD stuff?

No shit.

Yes, they also spelled "Apocalypse" wrong in the X-Men book.

I thought they couldn't mention the Bradley's, nice to see. I'm wondering if we'll see Rom now.

Try and find it, even buy it, absolutely fantastic.

Yes shit, they need to explore more of the other heroes in the Marvel eras. In particular the pre-WWII stuff.

Ernst Erskine and Barko. Part of Orson Randall/Golden Age Iron Fist's group 'Confederates of the Curious'.

Fuck yeah Brooklyn kids showing that Lower east side paddy who is boss.

Some interesting groups. Never heard of Zawadi before though, she new?

>Yeah, I'm surprised most don't acknowledge how old he's actually supposed to be.
Old people aren't cool, man!

>Steve's story being told little by little over several pages

Amazing.

Waid isn't good with flowcharts.

>Frank Castle was now active during the Vietnam War.
Pretty sure that's the Vietnam War was the first one he was supposed to have fought before getting retconned into the Gulf War.

I meant not* active, didn't notice the type.

Yes, it's on purpose since the character was supposed to be a medium/oracle or something in Sherlock Holmes, or so I vaguely recall hearing.

So what, are they retconning him to be from Brooklyn, like in the MCU? It doesn't make any sense that local Brooklyn boys would be hanging out in the lower east side.

I wish DC could do something like this (yes, I know the one from the 80s exists, but this is different) but they don't even know what their own continuity is anymore.

She was an opera singer if I recall, she was just very smart and capable. How strange they use that.

Absolutley, sign me up for some sweet 30's and 40's action.

I was sure i read "Vietcong War" in the page instead of "Siancong War".
Hey, hopefully we will run out of war to retcon Frank into, i guess it makes sense that they just brought stuff that exists only in the MU and tied Castle to that.

Coming up next:
>Frank Castle was active during Afghanistan

Then do, it's a free country.

Awesome facial hair bros!

And Hammond wins the Hitler-bowl.

>more LGBTBBQ pandering from MarLEL
You'd think they'd get the "get woke go broke" message by now.

I can kind of get it as Strange is immortal so his age doesn't show

Eventually he's going to end up like the ancient one though, just that it will take a lot of time

They're living rent free inside your head.

Were you dropped on the head as a baby or something?

Nice

$1,128,274,794

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Isn't Destiny-Mystique several decades old now?

Yes. user is a retard thinking it's Marvel doing forced diversity when they've been a thing since forever.

Holy shit, the first acknowledgment of anyone in the Bradley family in years.

>two characters that have been in lesbians with each other for decades are depicted as being in lesbians with each other
Filtered

>Hydra
>The Cold War
>Founding of S.H.I.E.L.D

Kinda dissapointed that there's no mention of Leviathan and Leonardo da Vinci's Zodiac Wheel from Secret Warriors. Also no mention of the events in S.H.I.E.L.D

Surprised Runaways got a shout out this early. Nice to see, though.

unf

The fuggin mystery men

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S-s-sweet Armless Tiger Man cameo.

I hate "max eisenhardt" I prefer Erik Lehnsherr. Also, making Magneto a german KID, makes it impossible for him to be an auschwitz prisoner. Fuck Pak for retconning Magneto

does it mean Toro is a mutant again?

Recently in Marvel Comics Presents story by Claremont, he had Destiny call Nightcrawler son. I want to remind that in the original plans, Mystique was supposed to be Kurt's FATHER, not mother. Does it mean they want to return to these plans after all these years?

>That slow buildup from the first panel with Steve to the splash page

So fucking great

I would love to read a Team X series, or even mini. It could be set in the past, and it would be glorious

There's like no market for it but they should let Waid do a new Who's Who

Leviathan could've been mentioned indeed, but all that stuff is a massive retcon of Steranko's Fury run, we're not there yet.

The Monster Hunters? Fuck YEAH!

Also fairly shocked marvel is acknowledging Lost Generation.

She was created by Roger Stern as the only original member of the team. I think they only had the one adventure but it was good shit.

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It honestly doesn't surprise me they were forgotten, John Byrne co-created them and During the Quesada years it seemed like they went out of their way to avoid referencing late 90's era Byrne stuff. Plus there's the fact it seemed like most creators read very little Marvel stuff from the 90's.

Who is the proto Iceman on the right?
Beutiful page.

Dude, literally the last box on the page has them all named.

The battle between Da Vinci and Newton in the Immortal city took place in the 50s tho, and in its aftermath Howard Stark was inspired by the brotherhood into founding S.H.I.E.L.D

Touch killed Hitler?

Yeah. On panel. Which is why other people claiming that they killed Hitler is stupid.

Iron Man's origin no longer in Afghanistan, and the Mandarin's original origin restored?

>The twins being born around the 1950s (so that the Whizzer could realistically believe he was the father) and staying cryogenically frozen for decades has been canon for a long time.
It's been canon for a long time as an explanation for how their birth can be a fixed point in time, yet they're at a similar age to Spider-Man, Human Torch and the 05 X-Men, but it's an explanation from handbooks, not something shown in a story, so a lot of people are unaware of it.

Claremont used a lot of literary references in his X-Men, but Destiny is actually meant to be the same Irene Adler from Sherlock Holmes, who was a real person in Marvel history.

In fairness, Destiny has been dead since 1989. If he only knows Mystique from movies, or modern comics, he could reasonably have no idea.

fucking casuals, would it hurt for you to ask some questions, instead of doing your usual sjw / company wars routine?

That's not an excuse, and it ridicules the legitimate problems with "woke" writers

Fuck that, that means he's as much a casual as the Woke SJWs he's complaining about. It's one thing to be a casual, it's another to be casual who wants to loudly gatekeep.

Whelp, I'll probably stop here.
The pre-FF stuff was nice, but the post-FF has already been retold too many times.

Why is it referred to as a What If?

Early issues of the original What If? series had backup features filling in previously untold parts of Marvel history.

Invaders were introduced in What If.

is that supposed to be the blonde phantom that got was used in byrnes she hulk?

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didn't we just learn that disney has been inflating its movies box office?

americans, always presenting themselves to be heroes, while in reality, they are assholes who never do anything

Shut up, Adolf.

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Why didn't you?

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It's an impressive research and they mentioned stuff I didn't think they would, but sadly there's Hickman's SHIELD missing.

This is kind of shit, it's not engaging in the slightest and reads like a history book. There's definitely a novelty to it though, but I hazard to call this a "good" comic. It's like a handbook

Yeah it's weird that they don't mention it here given that the founding of the brotherhood of the Shield and the celestial starchild were shown in the previous issue. The brotherhood is even namedropped here, but there's nothing about the war itself, that honestly seems like a major omission

That's because it is a handbook, an entirely informative piece rather than a story with protagonists and a conclusive narrative. If anything, it has some narrative elements that make it more engaging than the previous "History of" books published by the big 2, like the way Steve Rogers' story is presented

how many nazis did you beat today, oh keyboard warrior? yeah, I thought so

>reads like a history book.
>It's like a handbook

You don't say

You're one of those people who overestimates his intelligence.

No, I'm dumb as a fucking post. I just can't find myself reading this monthly anymore.

Oh shut up

The first word in the title is "history." What exactly were you expecting?

lovely, can't wait for the Marvel Comics special for more golden age goodness

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Weirded out by the lack of balloons?

> It's like a handbook

Dude, that's what it is. Just a more engaging one and narrated by Galactus.

>thirty bucks for the whole thing

Seems like a fair price, i would really like to have this physical, should i get it or wait?

I didn't know that going in and the first issue kind of made it seem like it was going somewhere, but now that I know it's not an actual story I don't feel as compelled to read it as it comes out.
See that might interest me, a big oversized book would do wonders for this. Something I can read in one go, it's great to read non-shit Waid again.

>should i get it or wait?
I say go for it, I'm curious to see what makes it a "treasury edition" in first place.

There had been plans to do another 26 issue long "who's who in the DCU" back in 2010, but then Didio scrapped it when he decided to reboot.
He was asked again about something like that at SDCC, and said something along the lines of "yeah, we should have done that back in 2011 for the New 52," so they might try something again in the future.
That 1980s two issue miniseries was good, and they also had that slight timeline update during Zero Hour, both of which are totally useless for today

They did in multiversity

well the original one was pretty much needed to explain what was the status of the DC universe back then.
They kind of gave up on doing that after a reboot

>kind of made it seem like it was going somewhere
Well, we are going to see the end of the universe in the last issue for sure, but don't expect anything else. This series is literally made to tell the history of the main MU.

>Hitler personally trained Red Skull to be better nazi
How excactly ?

I meant more stories, dummy. There ain't enough and some of them are really minor characters.

I don't have it at hand, but I remember reading it a while ago-- Hitler brings one of his generals to the room while talking to Johann, then gives him a gun and orders Red Skull to shoot him. Skull doesn't hesitate and does so as to not disappoint the great leader, thus forever sending him down the path of Nazism.

more like

>How many nazis did you BE today, oh keyboard warrior?

DC should make one of these, I'd be interesting. Although with so many crisis and reboots it might be somewhat complicated. Also I wonder how this series will approach the fact that the multiverse was destroyed by the beyonders halfway through the 2010s and the current incarnation is a new one. Will it even be acknowledged?

That was much shorter though. Only 4 pages of the entire guidebook were dedicated to the history of the universe

>the current incarnation is a new one.
eh, kinda.
Eternity is still the same, the Beyonders were able to only get Infinity.
Basically Eternity and Infinity being the "two in one" was an evolution trait that led the Multiverse to keep existing.

I thought Druid wasn't his real name?

It says here
Steve was born on the Lower East Side

The only thing DC needs to do right now is close already

has Blazing Skull ever been particularly important, as far as I can tell he's only notable due to looking cool

And while he's going up in smoke, Hitler has the presence of mind to command one of his guards to tell everyone he shot himself.

>No mutant retcon
Just cos it doesn't call her a mutant, doesn't mean she isn't a mutie slut.

>Theresa
I want mai waifu, Good Punsiher, back.

I wonder if John Steele was actually Hugo Danner?

She's finally free of them, leave her alone

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>reads like a history book
>like a handbook
That's... the point?

It isn't. His surname is Ludgate.

>Iron Man's origin no longer in Afghanistan,
I don't remember that being in the case except in MCU

Very interesting. Thank you.

So Destiny-Mystique is as old as Claremont? They were always Nightcrawler's moms?

It dates back to Extremis, which was before the MCU.

Species traitor.

Tony's origin story had been flopping between Vietnam and Afghanistan over the decades, especially with the MCU making it Afghanistan. It's why some people just refer to it as Vietghanistan.

New physical reality (Infinity-8), same history (Eternity-7).

It was a plot point of Ewing's Ultimates

>So Destiny-Mystique is as old as Claremont?
He made both

>They were always Nightcrawler's moms?
No: Destiny was supposed to be Kurt's mother.
Mystique was supposed to be his father.

>So Destiny-Mystique is as old as Claremont?
As canon as he was allowed to make it in the 1980s.

>They were always Nightcrawler's moms?
He wanted Mystique to be Nightcrawler's biological father, and Destiny his mother, he was never allowed to do that, the canon origin is that Mystique is his mother, Azazel is his father.

>Species traitor.
Roleplaying as a mutant on Yea Forums makes you the species traitor, user.

>supposed to be
>he was never allowed to do that

How sad. Bless Claremont though for trying. I'd be interested in reading his version of "No Chris, we can't do that." story.

>Implying I'm not one of God's chosen mutants

Don't feel bad for Claremont, he got more than enough of his fetishes into the comic

>Waid
Nah, I'm good.

The handbook people previously designated The 'Nam as Earth-85101 but I guess these five issues are 616 canon? And they don't happen during Vietnam?

85101 is Vietnam
616 is Siamcong

Nah, everything Claremont writes nowadays is ignored and forgotten as soon as it leaves for printing

Well, this means the comic The First X-Men is now not canon anymore I guess.

>DC should make one of these

Yes, and they should start using sad gimmicks like the 50+ variants and all the other gimmicks Marvel is known for.

"a kindred spirit of hatred" suggests there was more than just a simple bellhop. Not every single comic has to be detalied, only the surface of events as they were preented first

WINNING, baby. Fair and square, no overshipping involved either.

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>I'd be interested in reading his version of "No Chris, we can't do that." story.
No thank you. With two X-Men Forever was more than enough

I love it but I always found it so weird that they had two Human Torches back then...and neither of them was Johnny

There was a leaked memo from Marvel that said the twins are going to be mutants again and the kids of Magneto. Was hinted at in Age of X-Man but hasn't been official yet, a shame Waid can't do it here yet.

Post it. I call bullshit.

they are very important in HoXPoX

>Who is Eben Stafford? Is he from the retro SHIELD stuff?
OC shoehorned in continuity thanks to Original Sin crap.

Does anyone have a link to issue #1 storytime?

Jack Frost, it says it right there

Yeah: desuarchive.org/co/thread/108913021

>First World War

The Central Powers didn't have any super-soliders?

Funny how "fear and discrimination for being different" was part of Marvel Universe from day one.

>Peacetime
>still fighting Nazis

Nice that they kept Wanda and Pietro original birth date.

Some days ago I said that Marvel still hasn't retconned their ages but some idiot claimed that "was all retconned as they're not mutants anymore", ignoring that the retcon had nothing to do with their births and that they're still connected to the Wizzer, Miss America and Magda and the whole story that led to the "Magneto sons" origin still happened.

Kraven was an original Avenger? When did this happen?

Avengers 1959

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This blows out all the people wanting to change Danny to Asian.

Creed seems so out of place here in every way possible

What the fuck? Where are Mr. Furious and the Shoveler at?

>Steve Namor and Blade origin
Based

Isn’t High evolutionary like the smartest villain or something

>First Human Torch
Based

You honestly never knew about the character

>Soviet red skull
People forget him

Is that really how they explain Fury living so long?

>State University
>not Empire State University

This is a big page, confirming how old Magneto and Wanda are, and wtf Sabretooth and Kraven are first avengers?

I wanted to get the first Groot but I read it before and it was so bad

Reed, Ben and Frank Castle all apparently served in not!Vietnam

Everyone is going to be really old based on this

Except the point of going with not!Vietnam instead of actual Vietnam is that it's not tied to an actual time period. At worst, it's "cold war" so could be as late as 91.

not even top 10 smartest villians on earth.

Punisher isn't where I'd expect to find the origins of the High Evolutionary.

Aquaria Nautica Neptunia is the funniest name ever

>it's great to read non-shit Waid again
Were you not reading his Strange run?

Got that backwards, Infinity is the time-related one.

I think Orson Randall and John Steele are the only guys with powers in that group.

That's been the explanation for decades.

He would have to be born in the '22 to be 18 in 1940, ya ding dong.

dumdum, the page i quoted says "Steve Rogers was born in 1922 during the Great Depression", which is wrong. why reply to me with this irrelevant shit?

Nothing about Black Widow? She was born in 1928 so that's kind of a glaring omission.

>Odd. Irene Adler is a character from Sherlock Holmes, American if I recall. Has that always been Destiny's name?

It is. It's for the same reasons there's a mutant group called the Morlocks. Claremont threw in a lot of references to literature.

What I'd like to know is, is Sherlock Holmes real or fictional in the Marvel Universe?

>What I'd like to know is, is Sherlock Holmes real or fictional in the Marvel Universe?
Surprisingly, he's real

marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes_(Earth-616)
>Sherlock's connection to Earth-616 was confirmed in the United Kingdom entry of the Marvel Atlas #1.

>What I'd like to know is, is Sherlock Holmes real or fictional in the Marvel Universe?
I'd be surprised if he wasn't real.

That wasn't a hint of anything, it was Magneto remembering a traumatic moment of his real life, when he learned they weren't his children.

It was a plot point but Eternity isn't a "new" Multiverse, it changed because it doesn't need Infinity anymore. Otherwise it is still the "original" Eternity, as explained later when the multiverses assemble.

I wouldn't mind a marvel legends of Patriot

In fairness, there were several retcons to their parentage in a short space of time, and none of them even addressed the Whizzer, Miss America, Magda or Chthon. It's understandable that readers had no idea what was canon and what wasn't anymore.

I love how spitfire looks like firestar

All the annuals that year were part of 'Evolutionary War'.

People only remember him because he was the guy that killed Peter Parker's parents, but only because Stan Lee forgot that the Nazi Red Skull was in suspended animation at the time, so later writers had to retcon it by using a different Red Skull who was conveniently active at the time.

I... i always assumed the Cap with the hat was an AU

Will Skip appear to molest Peter next issue?

How do you go from such great cover art to having such shit story art, fuck Nu Marvel

I don't even understand retards like you.

Wow, please get a trip so i can filter tasteless faggots like you.

I want to read more Iron Fist with guns stories

what was it called?

Didn't he have several issues?

No, Infinity is the physical space.
Eternity is time and people as time makes sense only if there are people.

Check Quasar.

No, he still needs Infinity. Infinity-8 appears in Starlin's books and Eternity was quite surprised at seeing Infinity-7 as separated from himself

I'm not even sure that anyone could construct a coherent Black Widow timeline anymore without choosing to deliberately leave out half of her stories. In the last years we had stories acknowledge her as around 30 like MCU Natasha, and then the post-Secret Empire mini revealed her as the outcome of the Red Room's cloning project where everytime she dies she gets uploaded to a fresh new clone body. I would rather have Waid overlook Widow completely rather than solving an impossible puzzle.

>Check Quasar.
Based

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Ewing says no so you're wrong

It’s also funny because The Red Skull works both for the Nazis and Commies

That’s always been the thing for me, I always though Fury was young and fighting in WWII, and then a spook fighting in the Asian theatre during the 50s-60s. He should be old as fuck, Punisher too, punisher was in Nam. X-Men’s Forge did as well. Frank Castle is in his 60s-70s realistically.

>that stylin as fuck Kraven
Kraven/Sabretooth movie when?

This is some retconning shit if you ask me

Is there an issue I can read to show me that?

Someone please just fucking forbid from drawing digitally inked comics for christ's sake

>No, he still needs Infinity. Infinity-8 appears in Starlin's books and Eternity was quite surprised at seeing Infinity-7 as separated from himself

The ones in Infinity Revelation are the universal versions of Infinity and Eternity (personification of one universe)

The "true" Eternity is the personification of the Multiverse, and he acts surprised when he sees Infinity because he hasn't seen her since the "end" (he says "I thought you were lost forever" or something like that, and she says "Nothing really ends").

Fantastic Four did their mission that gave them their powers to beat the commies into space exploration.

They put in the not!'nam because it isn't tied to an irl's date, allowing them to play with the sliding timescal as much as they want.

Fury is supposed to be older even in-universe, but he ages slower for a formula he drank.

When did that happen?

>Reed didn't fight anymore
I guess it makes sense to have it this way.

>Fantastic Kino next issue
Cool.

The Infinity Formula, i don't know where the first actual appearence was but it is a thing that comes up often when Nick Fury is involved.
He gets a reference in this very issue too.

The page where it gets mentioned in this issue:

>run out of war
he's American

something by jordan white crossing out wanta/pietro to be dealt with in the letters column in one of the x-books